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September 29, 2017, 07:47:43 PM
I don't think who can maths will always get win in gambling
It's not only about math,  gambling also need strategy and lucky
In gambling site also have house edge which give affect as well
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September 29, 2017, 07:41:48 PM
I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know


this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Yes, maths can help you win at some casino games. Like blackjack for example. If the conditions are good for the player, it is possible to use maths to turn the probability in the player's favour.

But I don't believe there is a way to do that for roulette. There're other ways to win in roulette though.
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September 29, 2017, 03:40:56 PM
I'm sure there are some blackjack and poker counting systems that might help you win... Might be possible that there are some in roulette and other games too, but i don't think that these popular ones are legit. Why would someone share strategy that lets them win money?
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September 29, 2017, 02:53:09 PM
There is no relation between maths and gambling. Maths is a real science while gambling is game of luck witch only requires some knowladge in betting.
Maybe some parts of maths can help in gambling such as  probability witch can help in the restriction of choices.
Wondering where you got that crap from?

For your information, most games are developed based on a branch of Mathematics - Applied Mathematics to be specific. For the fact that these things are designed and developed by man, they cannot be foolproof and a good background in maths can always give a player an edge to win - make some money.

However winning in gambling is something else. It means to be able to beat the house and that is hardly possible because aside from the obvious house edge, gambling sites are far well capitalized and so are able to contain most moves by players until the player eventually runs out of bankroll or hits the table limit. Other than that, a game has to be fair (not rigged) to ever stand any chance of beating it and that has always being a question begging for answer!

He must have thought that the house edge that is being calculated is based on luck as well. Its pure mathematics which can be calculated as we have seen several of it being disputed on the forum.

I don't understand why people will assume gambling is purely based on luck that is based on subjectivity that cannot be calculated yet will open a scam accusation thread the moment they are losing more than they are winning forgetting a simple mathematics of understanding the house edge of every of the site and how this can be verified.

In as much as mathematics cannot ensure winning in gambling, it can go a long way in predicting the outcome of such moves as it can equally be seen in various card games for those who knows much about how the mathematics around it works.
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September 29, 2017, 01:44:16 PM
There is no relation between maths and gambling. Maths is a real science while gambling is game of luck witch only requires some knowladge in betting.
Maybe some parts of maths can help in gambling such as  probability witch can help in the restriction of choices.
Wondering where you got that crap from?

For your information, most games are developed based on a branch of Mathematics - Applied Mathematics to be specific. For the fact that these things are designed and developed by man, they cannot be foolproof and a good background in maths can always give a player an edge to win - make some money.

However winning in gambling is something else. It means to be able to beat the house and that is hardly possible because aside from the obvious house edge, gambling sites are far well capitalized and so are able to contain most moves by players until the player eventually runs out of bankroll or hits the table limit. Other than that, a game has to be fair (not rigged) to ever stand any chance of beating it and that has always being a question begging for answer!
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September 29, 2017, 12:39:13 PM
I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know


this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440
Only in a real life roulette, how you may ask? The game of roulette is one of those games that seems unbeatable but in fact it was the first gambling game ever beaten, the way to do it is to watch tens of thousands of spins in the same roulette and keep track of them and then calculate the real odds a number appears if the real probabilities are higher than the theoretical ones and are above the house edge then the only thing you need to do on the roulette is to bet on those numbers over and over again.

This may be true but not a lot of casinos will let you stick around to count these 10,000 spins, and take note of them as well. You also have to consider the fact that you do not have all the time in the world to place your bets after each spin is finished. So The question then would be: Is it really worth it, lol.
I know that it seems like a lot of work and it is, but the first time this was tried the gambler bankrupted the casino, and since then that strategy has been tried many times with the same results, and those that did it earned millions so while it is a laborious method it brings good results.
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September 29, 2017, 08:34:18 AM
Maths could help you win at gambling to a certain degree. Statistics also come into place too. There is no magic formula to win at gambling unless you are the house in most cases the odds of winning are almost always in the houses favour and if you do get lucky it's there job to keep you planning until you put more back to them.
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September 29, 2017, 07:58:10 AM
I don't think that maths would be of much help in helping you win in gambling, but it can give you slight advantage in the game that you are playing. Like in the game of 21 or blackjack it is possible to predict upto an extent that when to gamble big and when to bet small simply by counting cards right from the start of the deck, so this can help you in getting an advantage which others don't have.
I haven't heard Math could really help in winning in gambling. Actually it's a pure of luck and strategy in winning the game. Because weather we involved Math it really depends whats your move in the game.

Depends on the game though. Math can help you when you are playing games like poker and sports books. There math would be useful because it can influence the chances of you winning in those games if you try and analyze the game using math. It can help but I think it really depends on the game you are playing with. That's just how gambling is for us.
I agree with that, math had no help in gambling. Because gambling like sports betting and cards game was needed of luck, moreover in dice roll, math had no used in this gambling because we can't count the roll it is not simply addition and subtraction. It's better to use hunch than math. Your hunch as a player is too much trusted than computation of math. Maybe you can used math in gambling in counting of wins and subtraction of losses.
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September 29, 2017, 07:36:41 AM
There is no relation between maths and gambling. Maths is a real science while gambling is game of luck witch only requires some knowladge in betting.
Maybe some parts of maths can help in gambling such as  probability witch can help in the restriction of choices.
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September 29, 2017, 07:13:27 AM
I don't think that math actually works on gambling (roullete). I presume that it is more on statistics and anlalysis. Mathematics is about addition subtratraction etc. But what gambling needs is statistics.. The probability to win on  what you bet in each game..i guess you can also learn it on experience. Even  anlysis of each game is based on how the game has been rolling over time.
math can not make us win the gambling game. gambling is a game that only relies on luck. if we want to win the gambling game then we must pray and hope. this is why gambling is called an uncertain game. and many people say that gambling is a game that has a very high risk.
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September 29, 2017, 06:45:31 AM
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I don't think that math actually works on gambling (roullete). I presume that it is more on statistics and anlalysis. Mathematics is about addition subtratraction etc. But what gambling needs is statistics.. The probability to win on  what you bet in each game..i guess you can also learn it on experience. Even  anlysis of each game is based on how the game has been rolling over time.
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September 29, 2017, 06:13:41 AM
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Maths will definitively help you to prove that there are no profitable method for the player in simple gambling games based on luck/randomness (dice, roulette...)

Haha, exactly. Use math as it was intended to be used. To prove theories and give you answers. The answer in this case is that no matter how long you play you'll always play at a disadvantage Smiley.

I would add "the more you play" the higher the probability of losing. Unfortunately for them some gamblers think it works the other way around and that's why, when they are losing, they bet more and more "to increase" the chance of winning. Thus normally they only lose more.

Math can help you to understand only one thing: you can win in gambling if you are lucky, but whatever you do, you can't increase the chance of winning.

Yeah. As a former gambling addict I can attest to this way of thinking too. I could lose several thousand $ in one night and think to myself "I'm due a win now, I've lost so much that the win HAS to come now on the next few bets". It is a never ending cycle of problems that can quickly spiral out of control. Luckily I've moved past that now and can control myself with limits set in place Smiley.

Indeed setting the limits is a crucial thing if you don't want gambling to destroy your life. I'm glad for you that you can control yourself and thus enjoy gambling without major losses. And that's where math can also be applied. I think we can afford losing up to 5% of what we make per month to gambling. Which means we can lose not more than 0.16% of our monthly wage per day.
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September 29, 2017, 03:49:01 AM
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I ever saw a film that math could be used to win in blackjack game, but that is the physical casino game, I think in online game it doesn't help you to win the game, but it can help to prevent more lost and it can help you to calculate the probability in dice game

Dice is not probability game, it is a pure luck based game where every single bet is independent. We cant calculate the outcome on dice game, no matter how smart you are in math/probability. Still luck is the only one who can help you to win on dice game.
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September 29, 2017, 03:31:10 AM
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I don't think that maths would be of much help in helping you win in gambling, but it can give you slight advantage in the game that you are playing. Like in the game of 21 or blackjack it is possible to predict upto an extent that when to gamble big and when to bet small simply by counting cards right from the start of the deck, so this can help you in getting an advantage which others don't have.
I haven't heard Math could really help in winning in gambling. Actually it's a pure of luck and strategy in winning the game. Because weather we involved Math it really depends whats your move in the game.

Depends on the game though. Math can help you when you are playing games like poker and sports books. There math would be useful because it can influence the chances of you winning in those games if you try and analyze the game using math. It can help but I think it really depends on the game you are playing with. That's just how gambling is for us.
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September 29, 2017, 03:07:16 AM
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I don't think that maths would be of much help in helping you win in gambling, but it can give you slight advantage in the game that you are playing. Like in the game of 21 or blackjack it is possible to predict upto an extent that when to gamble big and when to bet small simply by counting cards right from the start of the deck, so this can help you in getting an advantage which others don't have.
I haven't heard Math could really help in winning in gambling. Actually it's a pure of luck and strategy in winning the game. Because weather we involved Math it really depends whats your move in the game.
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September 29, 2017, 01:29:53 AM
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I ever saw a film that math could be used to win in blackjack game, but that is the physical casino game, I think in online game it doesn't help you to win the game, but it can help to prevent more lost and it can help you to calculate the probability in dice game
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September 28, 2017, 11:32:27 PM
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I don't think that maths would be of much help in helping you win in gambling, but it can give you slight advantage in the game that you are playing. Like in the game of 21 or blackjack it is possible to predict upto an extent that when to gamble big and when to bet small simply by counting cards right from the start of the deck, so this can help you in getting an advantage which others don't have.
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September 28, 2017, 11:10:24 PM
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Haha definitely will help you to prove nothing that in gambling with luck based games are going to give negative output for a longer time. And in games that you have to analyze Mathematics can help you to understand and analyze those games, situational processes and other things in gambling. But talking about Math in roulettes and other the same games, there's no way for us to win to those games with analysis.

You are obviously correct that maths cannot negate the effect of the house edge and nobody will ever devise a mathematical system that will. I still think that maths can help you, understanding and calculating the probability of various outcomes can lead to better decision-making. Also using maths for risk management will help preserve your bankroll. In the end applying maths won't make you win but it will make your money last longer.

Math is the source of random algo used to get the result on a probability game like dice. Therefore​ it can be beat by means of Math too. This is still impossible for now but in the future it can be crack by some genius gamblers that want to win. There are some experements ongoing on how to gain on probabilty base game.

You have the point about algo's but the sad fact today is no one is able to crack it. Still it's a random basis that has been computed but no one can get it. But I also believe that there will be the day when a genius gambler will find it out and will expose the strategy and this will be the time that the casino's are going to upgrade and improve their scripts as this will surely kill their business if it happens.
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September 28, 2017, 10:37:40 PM
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I'm not an expert in Math but for me if it will be discussed in a Math Wizard or genius I think they will know the answer about that one. In my point of view I think it is possible because from what I see in Rain Man movie and it is a true life story about a  genius in math and he really win in gambling and I think it maybe the same that it can help to win in some gamble games. This is a good question hoping that we can get an answer here in forum if there are math geniuses around.
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September 28, 2017, 09:22:34 PM
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I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know


this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440
I heard that some people are able to count cards at casino, I don't know how exactly it is done but it involves a lot of probability and permutation, that takes a lot of calculation and i don't know if the human mind is able to do all those in a short number of time.

What do you mean by counting cards? I can do that also.  Grin But there are some people on casino especially banker are already memorize how to shuffle and distribute cards in their own advantage, Sometimes they keep cards on their sleeves. Can you you please elaborate what kind of counting cards trick this was?
Cheesy Everybody can count cards. But this is more about remembering what cards have been already played ( giving you chances to guess which cards will be played next).
Although card counting is sort of skill it's treated as cheating.

There is lot of counting strategies. For details see e.g. http://www.gamblingonline.com/blackjack/strategy/card-counting/
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