Can maths help you win in gambling ? - page 43.

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Quote from: aldrian09 on September 28, 2017, 08:29:13 AM

I don't think math can really help you win in gambling but it can serve you as a guide though, strategies and paying attention can lead you in winning but still not a guarantee. In gambling its always 50/50 chance in both winning and losing.

It's not always 50/50 like you said, There is a kind of games like dice, you can control the percentage of gain or lose, also in sports betting.
Anyways, maths can help me somtimes to make some good probability and comparisation to increase my chance of winning.

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Quote from: BlockEye on September 28, 2017, 08:57:29 AM

Math is the source of random algo used to get the result on a probability game like dice. Therefore it can be beat by means of Math too. This is still impossible for now but in the future it can be crack by some genius gamblers that want to win. There are some experements ongoing on how to gain on probabilty base game.

That's some very interesting research. Do you have any links to information on it?

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Quote from: TheQuin on September 28, 2017, 08:31:14 AM

Quote from: bhadz on September 28, 2017, 08:21:33 AM

Haha definitely will help you to prove nothing that in gambling with luck based games are going to give negative output for a longer time. And in games that you have to analyze Mathematics can help you to understand and analyze those games, situational processes and other things in gambling. But talking about Math in roulettes and other the same games, there's no way for us to win to those games with analysis.

You are obviously correct that maths cannot negate the effect of the house edge and nobody will ever devise a mathematical system that will. I still think that maths can help you, understanding and calculating the probability of various outcomes can lead to better decision-making. Also using maths for risk management will help preserve your bankroll. In the end applying maths won't make you win but it will make your money last longer.

Math is the source of random algo used to get the result on a probability game like dice. Therefore it can be beat by means of Math too. This is still impossible for now but in the future it can be crack by some genius gamblers that want to win. There are some experements ongoing on how to gain on probabilty base game.

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Quote from: bhadz on September 28, 2017, 08:21:33 AM

Haha definitely will help you to prove nothing that in gambling with luck based games are going to give negative output for a longer time. And in games that you have to analyze Mathematics can help you to understand and analyze those games, situational processes and other things in gambling. But talking about Math in roulettes and other the same games, there's no way for us to win to those games with analysis.

You are obviously correct that maths cannot negate the effect of the house edge and nobody will ever devise a mathematical system that will. I still think that maths can help you, understanding and calculating the probability of various outcomes can lead to better decision-making. Also using maths for risk management will help preserve your bankroll. In the end applying maths won't make you win but it will make your money last longer.

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I don't think math can really help you win in gambling but it can serve you as a guide though, strategies and paying attention can lead you in winning but still not a guarantee. In gambling its always 50/50 chance in both winning and losing.

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Quote from: Chris314 on September 28, 2017, 07:27:22 AM

Maths will definitively help you to prove that there are no profitable method for the player in simple gambling games based on luck/randomness (dice, roulette...)

Haha definitely will help you to prove nothing that in gambling with luck based games are going to give negative output for a longer time. And in games that you have to analyze Mathematics can help you to understand and analyze those games, situational processes and other things in gambling. But talking about Math in roulettes and other the same games, there's no way for us to win to those games with analysis.

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Quote from: lexamagic on September 27, 2017, 07:44:55 AM

I do not think that using math or other predictions you can win in gambling, and especially in roulette. There everything is designed for pleasure, not profit.

Yes some are design just for pleasure but it depends on the person's point of view,
Some of us are playing gambling just for excitement and entertainment while others are for profit.

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Quote from: Hhampuz on September 28, 2017, 07:46:28 AM

Quote from: Chris314 on September 28, 2017, 07:27:22 AM

Maths will definitively help you to prove that there are no profitable method for the player in simple gambling games based on luck/randomness (dice, roulette...)

Haha, exactly. Use math as it was intended to be used. To prove theories and give you answers. The answer in this case is that no matter how long you play you'll always play at a disadvantage

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I would add "the more you play" the higher the probability of losing. Unfortunately for them some gamblers think it works the other way around and that's why, when they are losing, they bet more and more "to increase" the chance of winning. Thus normally they only lose more.

Math can help you to understand only one thing: you can win in gambling if you are lucky, but whatever you do, you can't increase the chance of winning.

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For some of them yes, probabilistic calculations will make all the difference. Blackjack is one of them

For others, it may not help you that much, like dice games.

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Quote from: Chris314 on September 28, 2017, 07:27:22 AM

Maths will definitively help you to prove that there are no profitable method for the player in simple gambling games based on luck/randomness (dice, roulette...)

Haha, exactly. Use math as it was intended to be used. To prove theories and give you answers. The answer in this case is that no matter how long you play you'll always play at a disadvantage

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Maths will definitively help you to prove that there are no profitable method for the player in simple gambling games based on luck/randomness (dice, roulette...)

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Quote from: gilangIDR on September 27, 2017, 10:18:56 AM

Gambling is an uncertain game and we just rely on luck. I do not think mathematics would matter in the gambling game. Whatever we do like doing calculations then it will not have a significant impact. Mathematics will not mean in gambling and gambling does not require math to be able to achieve victory. Only luck can change everything. So multiply prayer than you should think to calculate what you want to get.

Wait, I don't agree with you then how about if we play by increasing the chance of winning, it does not mean we have used the math for can win because we know if using other menthod the chance for win is small and that's not included give impact to win. sorry if i got wrong catch.

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Quote from: eternalgloom on September 27, 2017, 07:36:09 AM

This article doesn't state that you can win at roulette by using math, it says this at the end:

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We can dress up the layout of the wheel, the layout of the betting cloth, our number selection and our money management system however we like, but the maths is always there, quietly working against us. You might as well just have fun, pick random numbers and trust to Lady Luck. Either that, or do as Einstein suggested and steal chips (not that we’d recommend it).

So no, it's not possible to win at roulette just by using math.

For other games it's possible, but keep in mind that casino's are doing everything in their power to prevent you from doing so.
I'm thinking of blackjack specifically, they have security measures in place to prevent you from counting cards. If they even suspect you're doing this, they can ban you from the casino.

For pvp games like poker, you can effectively use math to gain an edge over other players though.

I'm with this guy. Math alone probably can't help you win at roulette considering the timing for you to do any sort of calculation based off of the speed of the ball and the speed of the table and then place bets when taking that in to consideration. I've read about these "roulette computers" but then again I'm not so sure how good they are and if it's really worth the risk to use one.

Nice little article but a bit flawed IMO.

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Quote from: rjbtc2017 on September 28, 2017, 03:33:34 AM

Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Actually Yes, i remember that there is a trivia about a Mathematics Degree graduate that studied the algorithm of a lotto for years and because of that she won twice. But for the case of the roulette games, that is possible but it may change every time depending on the force given, the environment and also the movement and the force of the outside elements may affect the result

There is also a movie that where Mathematics are used by teenagers to analyze gambling games. They have managed to beat the house many times and earn a lot of money from it. You are right, I have also heard that there are studies regarding Mathematics beating gambling. It maybe hard to believe especially logically but it maybe possible as well. Statistics are the main branch of Mathematics that is used to beat gambling games.

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Well it does and it does not, now when I say it does I mean see I normally play on cricket and football, so yes I do add up the statistics, how many times has the team won, what's their average, vs the opposite team average, then I add the manager history vs the other person, at most of times I do get it right. Then there are times I don't get it right, cause of the form, sudden injuries, rain so not all maths can get you right.

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

In certain games perhaps but not in luck based games. You can do.all the math you can and make yourself believe that it'll make a difference but in the end it won't.

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maybe math can help you to increase your chance winning but i personally didn't believe that because the results from playing majority gambling games still depend on your luck but i have been hearing that there is one person very genius and calculated every percentages on blackjack game and after several years research he could get the formula with small percentages of losses but i don't know if in roulette game this is will works too

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Depends on the game you are playing, if for example, you are just playing dice, then there is no mathematical method or system or whatever that could help you. Since there is really little that can be done if you know the odds of winning or not. However, this could be used in games like poker where you can count cards which by the way is all about being good at math.

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Actually Yes, i remember that there is a trivia about a Mathematics Degree graduate that studied the algorithm of a lotto for years and because of that she won twice. But for the case of the roulette games, that is possible but it may change every time depending on the force given, the environment and also the movement and the force of the outside elements may affect the result

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

yes thats applicable in gambling like in primedice i have a technique like that then do bet with no scared even its big because if you afraid your bitcoin will have big chance that you lose,me i always bet big even i lose thats gambling so better not play if your scared to lose

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