Can maths help you win in gambling ? - page 42.

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

I heard that some people are able to count cards at casino, I don't know how exactly it is done but it involves a lot of probability and permutation, that takes a lot of calculation and i don't know if the human mind is able to do all those in a short number of time.

What do you mean by counting cards? I can do that also. Grin

But there are some people on casino especially banker are already memorize how to shuffle and distribute cards in their own advantage, Sometimes they keep cards on their sleeves. Can you you please elaborate what kind of counting cards trick this was?

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

I heard that some people are able to count cards at casino, I don't know how exactly it is done but it involves a lot of probability and permutation, that takes a lot of calculation and i don't know if the human mind is able to do all those in a short number of time.

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

If you think that maths could help you win ,then it is good to go as long as you are winning,but in reality it wont help much but if you are good in probability then you might make some calculations and see how it goes but you cannot guarantee than it will help you break the code and keep on winning
but you must remember than roulette is random and one result wont affect the odds of other results.

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Quote from: piloder on September 28, 2017, 02:11:31 PM

I haven't gone through full article on that link but I can say that no I don't believe math can help us win in gambling and same goes for roulette.

I haven't seen any Math's processor who is making good money from gambling by utilizing his math knowledge and sophisticated calculations. Grin

the problem with this processor is that it is not in sync of the internal setup of the game. It is like programs, or a mother board and processor, you cannot fit in a processor to a mother board if it does not have the same pin. So I am saying that even though math can really help us to win in gambling if the factors and variables of the math' processor is different from the internal setup, it will not give us an accurate result.

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Maths can't help you win in gambling, but it can help you understand what the odds are that your are playing with.

It also helps you understand the long term effect of gambling instead of simply being focussed on the short term outcome.

The math part isn't all that hard actually, if you take a bit of time anyone can learn it.

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Don't think math can help you win on any traditional casino. The casino makes sure that you are not able to use any tricks such as counting cards and take any kind of advantage.

Quote from: Shinpako09 on September 28, 2017, 10:04:24 AM

. I've read some in the internet saying they won lottery by using Math

I guess he just used the probability to win the lottery. If he some how knew how many tickets each user had you will be able to calculate your win percentage based on number of tickets you have.

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I am inspired in hollywood movies with poker themes, math is very effective for card speculation that has arisen, we just need to think about the possibility of what cards we will / opponents get, this is very fun. In sports betting also applies equally because predictions from previous matches or player conditions can be calculated in detail with fitness percentage and potential win.

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I haven't gone through full article on that link but I can say that no I don't believe math can help us win in gambling and same goes for roulette.

I haven't seen any Math's processor who is making good money from gambling by utilizing his math knowledge and sophisticated calculations. Grin

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Only in a real life roulette, how you may ask? The game of roulette is one of those games that seems unbeatable but in fact it was the first gambling game ever beaten, the way to do it is to watch tens of thousands of spins in the same roulette and keep track of them and then calculate the real odds a number appears if the real probabilities are higher than the theoretical ones and are above the house edge then the only thing you need to do on the roulette is to bet on those numbers over and over again.

This may be true but not a lot of casinos will let you stick around to count these 10,000 spins, and take note of them as well. You also have to consider the fact that you do not have all the time in the world to place your bets after each spin is finished. So The question then would be: Is it really worth it, lol.

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Only in a real life roulette, how you may ask? The game of roulette is one of those games that seems unbeatable but in fact it was the first gambling game ever beaten, the way to do it is to watch tens of thousands of spins in the same roulette and keep track of them and then calculate the real odds a number appears if the real probabilities are higher than the theoretical ones and are above the house edge then the only thing you need to do on the roulette is to bet on those numbers over and over again.

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Quote from: alien-fx2 on September 28, 2017, 07:51:18 AM

For some of them yes, probabilistic calculations will make all the difference. Blackjack is one of them

For others, it may not help you that much, like dice games.

Yes Blackjack you need to know the cards people play and need to remember it in order to have a high portability of wining the game. Here experience and smartness play a key role in Blackjack. But on roulette its more of a luck based game. Even if maths started to help that much do you think casinos would allow that they may also change some format accordingly.

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if gambling that includes analysis and skills, like sports betting mathematical skills can help you win in gambling. Probabilities and statistics is your best buddies for sports betting, i always do sports betting than dice and other casino based gambling. I have a higher percentage of winning in sports betting compared to casino gambling. The bottom line is don't take it seriously in any form of gambling always remember that it is just for fun.

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Math is the source of random algo used to get the result on a probability game like dice. Therefore it can be beat by means of Math too. This is still impossible for now but in the future it can be crack by some genius gamblers that want to win. There are some experements ongoing on how to gain on probabilty base game.

That's some very interesting research. Do you have any links to information on it?

I forgot the site. But you can manually search on google. I just saw it on a chatbox of some dice site. The guy is a high roller and experimenting for different combination to crack algo. I know that this sounds insane but I believe that it can be successful someday.

I do see those kind of person too on which they do made such calculations which they do really make it use to take advantage on the game but well i didnt really tend to believe if it does work or not because the thing on my mind is only that gambling houses cant really be cheated.I do believe that they are the ones who can possibly cheat its players but players cheating houses is really a rare case.

What I mean is not cheating but people who cracks a method to counter the result of the algo. Cheating is seeking the result of roll before you roll. I believe that there is a formula to solve the random result of algo. Even if it is just a slim percentage. Hehehe. Do you try experimenting too some methods?

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Quote from: Chris314 on September 28, 2017, 07:27:22 AM

Maths will definitively help you to prove that there are no profitable method for the player in simple gambling games based on luck/randomness (dice, roulette...)

Haha, exactly. Use math as it was intended to be used. To prove theories and give you answers. The answer in this case is that no matter how long you play you'll always play at a disadvantage

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I would add "the more you play" the higher the probability of losing. Unfortunately for them some gamblers think it works the other way around and that's why, when they are losing, they bet more and more "to increase" the chance of winning. Thus normally they only lose more.

Math can help you to understand only one thing: you can win in gambling if you are lucky, but whatever you do, you can't increase the chance of winning.

Yeah. As a former gambling addict I can attest to this way of thinking too. I could lose several thousand $ in one night and think to myself "I'm due a win now, I've lost so much that the win HAS to come now on the next few bets". It is a never ending cycle of problems that can quickly spiral out of control. Luckily I've moved past that now and can control myself with limits set in place

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Quote from: TheQuin on September 28, 2017, 08:59:31 AM

Quote from: BlockEye on September 28, 2017, 08:57:29 AM

Math is the source of random algo used to get the result on a probability game like dice. Therefore it can be beat by means of Math too. This is still impossible for now but in the future it can be crack by some genius gamblers that want to win. There are some experements ongoing on how to gain on probabilty base game.

That's some very interesting research. Do you have any links to information on it?

I think the reason it is called "probability" means it will be having a good or bad probable result, still we can't ensure a good result that easily because it has a percentage (either you will be losing or will be winning) but the most probable when you are gambling is losing, well, we all know that even in the start.

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Quote from: eternalgloom on September 27, 2017, 07:36:09 AM

This article doesn't state that you can win at roulette by using math, it says this at the end:

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We can dress up the layout of the wheel, the layout of the betting cloth, our number selection and our money management system however we like, but the maths is always there, quietly working against us. You might as well just have fun, pick random numbers and trust to Lady Luck. Either that, or do as Einstein suggested and steal chips (not that we’d recommend it).

So no, it's not possible to win at roulette just by using math.

For other games it's possible, but keep in mind that casino's are doing everything in their power to prevent you from doing so.
I'm thinking of blackjack specifically, they have security measures in place to prevent you from counting cards. If they even suspect you're doing this, they can ban you from the casino.

For pvp games like poker, you can effectively use math to gain an edge over other players though.

I guess you were right my friend. We already knew how the casinos and gambling sites work, they wouldn't let anyone win that easily, or as I am saying it was just pure luck, but when in casinos it is kinda different than online gambling site, if it is possible, they would not let someone win. And so i think math doesn't help you win gambling.

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Quote from: BlockEye on September 28, 2017, 09:26:36 AM

Quote from: TheQuin on September 28, 2017, 08:59:31 AM

Quote from: BlockEye on September 28, 2017, 08:57:29 AM

Math is the source of random algo used to get the result on a probability game like dice. Therefore it can be beat by means of Math too. This is still impossible for now but in the future it can be crack by some genius gamblers that want to win. There are some experements ongoing on how to gain on probabilty base game.

That's some very interesting research. Do you have any links to information on it?

I forgot the site. But you can manually search on google. I just saw it on a chatbox of some dice site. The guy is a high roller and experimenting for different combination to crack algo. I know that this sounds insane but I believe that it can be successful someday.

I do see those kind of person too on which they do made such calculations which they do really make it use to take advantage on the game but well i didnt really tend to believe if it does work or not because the thing on my mind is only that gambling houses cant really be cheated.I do believe that they are the ones who can possibly cheat its players but players cheating houses is really a rare case.

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For me, it's a NO. Many have tried to used math in dice game but all of them got failed. Also, as if there is math genius that is addicted in a game like dice. They would surely prefer cracking lottery instead. I've read some in the internet saying they won lottery by using Math but I think it was just a scam. They wouldn't bother to share it if they do.

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

I preferably going to believe what Albert Einstein's said about winning a roulette. Let me skip this game, I have read a fact article that there was a math teacher that managed to win the lottery for four times. If you are going to study on how the process of the gambling game you are playing. It can help you to give some idea but it will never give you a guarantee that you'll win.

Agreed! Math can give us an idea on how to play the game. It can help us to treat our game as well. If for example, someone able to win at gambling by using math, I bet he/she can't do it at everytime. Gambling will always depend on luck no matter what method we use.

Math is all about logic and processes this strengthen's your knowledge with it so it will really be a great help for you to win. But wait you said that Math can give us an idea how to play the game and in the end you said that gambling will always depend on luck no matter what method we use? So you are countering what you had said about Math that can give us an idea / strategy and help to win the game.

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Quote from: TheQuin on September 28, 2017, 08:59:31 AM

Quote from: BlockEye on September 28, 2017, 08:57:29 AM

Math is the source of random algo used to get the result on a probability game like dice. Therefore it can be beat by means of Math too. This is still impossible for now but in the future it can be crack by some genius gamblers that want to win. There are some experements ongoing on how to gain on probabilty base game.

That's some very interesting research. Do you have any links to information on it?

I forgot the site. But you can manually search on google. I just saw it on a chatbox of some dice site. The guy is a high roller and experimenting for different combination to crack algo. I know that this sounds insane but I believe that it can be successful someday.

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