Can the casino control whether the user wins or loses?

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on October 25, 2024, 12:31:45 PM

Quote from: Jaycoinz on October 25, 2024, 12:24:04 PM

When you win other people lose and when you lose others win, but the thing is that the percentage of those that lose are higher than those that make profit, so this little analysis here tells you that the casino is always in Profit. There have been cases where bookmakers lose a lot of money due to the fact that a lot of people won from sports betting, this happens once in a while, if I remember correctly 22 bet couldn't pay all their users few years back this was because a lot of people won from sports betting, this isn't something that can happen with casinos because they are always in control of the game.

It seems Op is trying casino games with the possibility of a new account that has a greater chance of winning than an old account that may have won several times.
You are right, that the casino will still get a bigger win. and some reasonable wins are given to users but the comparison will still be more losers. so the casino will still make a profit.
What Op did may have the potential to use multiple accounts which most casinos will prohibit. Op realized that because he tried a new account and got a better chance of winning.

There's no solid proof to this or something i could say that it is really just that pure coincidence in all the things that do happen. Somehow we cant be able to make sure if there would really be no
possible rigging up about winning chance specially into those new accounts just for it to make it look that making money with gambling on playing in the site would look easy.
We do know that once a certain gambler would really be having that kind of initial impressions then this is where time that greed would easily kick in. On the moment that they are already
chasing up their loses after some win then this is really something that effective. Just like been said earlier that there's no solid proof into this one, if this one really happens
then pretty sure that would really be tainting out some sites reputation if ever this one would be proven out. People would really be just that only good on speculating on things about those
possible scenarios or probabilities which might actually be happening.

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on October 25, 2024, 12:24:04 PM

When you win other people lose and when you lose others win, but the thing is that the percentage of those that lose are higher than those that make profit, so this little analysis here tells you that the casino is always in Profit. There have been cases where bookmakers lose a lot of money due to the fact that a lot of people won from sports betting, this happens once in a while, if I remember correctly 22 bet couldn't pay all their users few years back this was because a lot of people won from sports betting, this isn't something that can happen with casinos because they are always in control of the game.

It seems Op is trying casino games with the possibility of a new account that has a greater chance of winning than an old account that may have won several times.
You are right, that the casino will still get a bigger win. and some reasonable wins are given to users but the comparison will still be more losers. so the casino will still make a profit.
What Op did may have the potential to use multiple accounts which most casinos will prohibit. Op realized that because he tried a new account and got a better chance of winning.

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When you win other people lose and when you lose others win, but the thing is that the percentage of those that lose are higher than those that make profit, so this little analysis here tells you that the casino is always in Profit. There have been cases where bookmakers lose a lot of money due to the fact that a lot of people won from sports betting, this happens once in a while, if I remember correctly 22 bet couldn't pay all their users few years back this was because a lot of people won from sports betting, this isn't something that can happen with casinos because they are always in control of the game.

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Quote from: Accardo on October 20, 2024, 06:21:03 AM

Quote from: bettercrypto on October 19, 2024, 05:49:09 PM

From my observation and experience, it seems like they control the games we play, so maybe sometimes we are given a chance to win every time, so we think we are lucky that day.

And of course, when that happens, we usually get stuck for a long time. aware because they think differently that they might win a large amount, but in the end they don't, and the result is still a loss.

That's what the house does to elevate gamblers to try more chances, since a possible win have been confirmed, the person would definitely chase for extra opportunities. However, it's situated under algorithms, that tends to favor the new players, as they'll not go ahead if their new trial is welcomed with losses.

Hence the wins on new accounts are organised and planned as part of the gaming scheme to psychologically pin prospects to gamble for longer durations.

Yes that's right and I think what you said is quite reasonable that one of the reasons why most beginners manage to achieve a number of wins at the beginning of their involvement in gambling is because the casino has set an algorithm that places new accounts that register as accounts that will be given wins first before losing, like a fishing rod to make beginners get caught up in high hopes so that they will try to do more chances when at the beginning of their involvement they managed to achieve a number of wins.

On the other hand, it is very clear that this is what makes most beginners misunderstand what and how gambling really is, in the initial scenario the casino first sacrifices a small amount of money to be given to beginner gamblers and after that they look for long-term profits when a gambler has started to get caught up in the wrong mindset and understanding.

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Quote from: bettercrypto on October 19, 2024, 05:49:09 PM

From my observation and experience, it seems like they control the games we play, so maybe sometimes we are given a chance to win every time, so we think we are lucky that day.

And of course, when that happens, we usually get stuck for a long time. aware because they think differently that they might win a large amount, but in the end they don't, and the result is still a loss.

That's what the house does to elevate gamblers to try more chances, since a possible win have been confirmed, the person would definitely chase for extra opportunities. However, it's situated under algorithms, that tends to favor the new players, as they'll not go ahead if their new trial is welcomed with losses.

Hence the wins on new accounts are organised and planned as part of the gaming scheme to psychologically pin prospects to gamble for longer durations.

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Quote from: bettercrypto on October 19, 2024, 05:49:09 PM

From my observation and experience, it seems like they control the games we play, so maybe sometimes we are given a chance to win every time, so we think we are lucky that day.

And of course, when that happens, we usually get stuck for a long time. aware because they think differently that they might win a large amount, but in the end they don't, and the result is still a loss.

If you think they control the games and you're keep suffering lose streak, I don't think you will stuck for a long time, because you've such thought, isn't? For me, I don't think they can control the results (as long as we gamble on reputable casinos and reputable providers).

Cheat can happen in two ways, one from casino and another one is from the gambling provider, so make sure you didn't wrongly pick both of them.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on October 20, 2024, 04:05:18 AM

That was just a suspicious belief of the people which is the beginner luck tons of people believe in that saying, but if you are just lucky enough I gues there's nothing wrong right there as long as you didn't abuse any promos and events of the casino because if they knew that you abuse their platform possible they will freeze your account or else required you a KYC verification to prove that you are a real human and not just a bot farming to their casino.

Somehow its happening but we don't know if the casino do that in purpose so they can attract those newbies to gamble more or this is just a pure coincidence. If they are completely newbies for sure they are not aware about abusing bonuses since if someone could able to think about doing that for sure they are not a newbies and just do abusive things just to take advantage the new welcome bonuses given by casinos. If they would found out that this incident happen or find certain pattern of abuse for sure that their account will be freeze and maybe they cannot take out their money in that casino.

So to avoid bad experience like this much better for people to know every details on the casino they are playing and just read the rules so that they could be aware on what is forbidden by the casino so they cannot do anything that can compromise their account.

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That was just a suspicious belief of the people which is the beginner luck tons of people believe in that saying, but if you are just lucky enough I gues there's nothing wrong right there as long as you didn't abuse any promos and events of the casino because if they knew that you abuse their platform possible they will freeze your account or else required you a KYC verification to prove that you are a real human and not just a bot farming to their casino.

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Quote from: Weawant on October 18, 2024, 06:27:45 PM

The frustration that comes with loosing after having a series of wins especially on a new account is very understandable and enough to think the casino has got a hand in your losses at some point and sadly the fairness behind these games cannot be completely verified and it sounds like a challenge at some point but the truth is at some point the casino isn't actively controlling these things as they are automatically generated with edges that favors the house the most and speaking from experience i had with a friend we tried it using same casino with different account and we could see the difference in the result.

I remember before when I was new to the crypto gambling casino I was lucky to win around 82$, and of course during those times I felt that it was easy to win gambling, and that was the reason I decided to play a gamble once in a while.

But the winning that I experienced has become so rare that every time I play, I always experience defeat. So I felt like the casino just let me win so I could go back and forth to their casino platform. even until now, though I only play gambling once but my money is limited for this.

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Quote from: asyakashi on October 16, 2024, 05:02:34 PM

can the casino control the user account that keeps winning?

let's say I play dice

I have won more than 10 X my initial capital, and I just registered a casino account

so my question is
can the casino control the wins and losses of its users?

I lost streak 70X in a row in dice, with a profit result of 1.13

I think it doesn't make sense because 88% luck, then I tried with a new account again and it turned out to win again, finally I withdrew everything and left the casino.

does a new account have a greater chance of winning?

From my observation and experience, it seems like they control the games we play, so maybe sometimes we are given a chance to win every time, so we think we are lucky that day.

And of course, when that happens, we usually get stuck for a long time. aware because they think differently that they might win a large amount, but in the end they don't, and the result is still a loss.

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Quote from: asyakashi on October 16, 2024, 05:02:34 PM

can the casino control the user account that keeps winning?

No way, no user account will keep winning. They will go bankrupt if there is an account that always wins the games. Wink

Quote from: asyakashi on October 16, 2024, 05:02:34 PM

can the casino control the wins and losses of its users?

If the casino wants to do it, I think it is possible. But the casinos are probably fair, they must try to keep the trust of all users. If there is something strange on the casinos, the users will leave the casinos. So, I still assume the casino sites will try to be fair. They won't control the win or lose of each user.

Quote from: asyakashi on October 16, 2024, 05:02:34 PM

does a new account have a greater chance of winning?

How can a new account to have a higher chance? The chance to win doesn't depend on how long you stay in the casino site. Everything will depend on your ability and your luck. Sometimes your experience will be also very helpful to determine the chance to win in gambling games.

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Quote from: asyakashi on October 16, 2024, 05:02:34 PM

can the casino control the user account that keeps winning?

let's say I play dice

I have won more than 10 X my initial capital, and I just registered a casino account

so my question is
can the casino control the wins and losses of its users?

I lost streak 70X in a row in dice, with a profit result of 1.13

I think it doesn't make sense because 88% luck, then I tried with a new account again and it turned out to win again, finally I withdrew everything and left the casino.

does a new account have a greater chance of winning?

New accounts that have much winning on their first trial usually have suspicions from the casino and they may even lock your account so I think you are lucky to have that but don't try it next time because you might not be lucky next to win talk more of been able to withdraw the money, some casino will flagged your account of cheating and they may ask you for more verification process which will even take more time than the regular time frame of verification.

I'm not sure about the casino controlling winnings but I'm sure you are not the only player in that casino, If there is such thing of controlling of winning, I'm very sure that a lot of complaints would have come from there as people will see them as scammer. Every casino has an house hedge which differs from each other, I'm thinking that that's how the house hedge make their players to win and lose and it happen you were unlucky to loss your money.

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A casino site can certainly control what percentage a user's winning chances will be. Because if they can't control it then they won't be able to survive in the market for long. Because if the users keep winning gambling then they will not be able to distribute those amounts. At some point they will go bankrupt. They create a road map in such a way that a gambler will easily become addicted and lose a lot but will not quit gambling. By showing them occasional win, it creates a great greed in them. Which helps them retain users

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Quote from: BABY SHOES on October 17, 2024, 08:12:14 AM

If the casino can arrange for users to win or lose then the casino has control and therefore the casino is not at fault for abusing... Therefore the casino cannot control the user to win or lose because this is already a system with algorithms.

Maybe you were unlucky with the old account... And lucky with the new account.
Sometimes in gambling it is no longer strange that you lose in a row sometimes like to think this is like a game that is cheated by the casino, while we cannot prove it... Therefore the game does win/lose it is random.

He didn't know either mate and that is why he is here in front of us, asking about this matter but if I'm going to answer this, I think my answer would be fifty-fifty. Something tells me that they can do some manipulations because there are times that the results are kind of impossible.

There are still times that I don't think like that, especially if it's a Blockchain-based/crypto casino because there is a provably fair system and we can verify our results to see if our plays are fair or not. If the casino, or some casinos rather are truly manipulative, then why say that it isn't their fault? I don't get you.

Anyways, it was really their fault and we must report them together with our evidence in the gambling authorities or to the issuer of their license (if they have it). We can also post the complaint here in our forum here because people here are willing to help. Legit gambling can involved a luck, so yeah and then there is also what they call as a beginner's luck. So maybe this is the responsible for him, winning on his new account.

If in terms of casinos being manipulative, we can disregard beginner's luck but it was only their way of baiting the new players for them to keep on coming back.

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Quote from: Oilacris on October 18, 2024, 03:22:05 PM

Quote from: Dewi Aries on October 18, 2024, 12:50:10 PM

As time goes by, yes, I am also quite sure that the casino will find out that the new accounts that register are old users, I don't know what the casino can do to identify this, but of course they are quite smart in terms of investigating and maybe tracking the IP or internet server can be one of their ways.
Sometimes I also do that, in the sense of trying to create a new account with the aim of trying to get a win like other people, but I still don't get the win even though I have made several deposits, and that fact eliminates my interest in continuing to use this method to get a win with a new account, but it is also possible that I am really far from luck.

The step you had made just proves out that there's no way that this could be real about having that new accounts will be likely to be able to hit up some win or in constant manner or simply
it shows that it is really that a working method. If this one really works then people would be abusing it but basing up on what you have done then this do really shows that it doesnt work at all
and everything would really be that according into someones luck and this had always be the determining factor specially when you do deal up with luck based or casino games on which this is really that
fully relying on luck. Doesnt matter whether you are making use of a new account or old ones, odds or chances would really be just that the same and this is something that you should put up into your mind.

Yes, maybe the experiments that I have done and the failures of the experiments that I got can be used as a benchmark that this method is not the right way to get victory, in the end I think we have to go back to the fact that gambling is always an unpredictable activity regardless of the method you use, there is no one way or another that guarantees success, and regarding the new account that other people say can bring victory, then maybe we can consider it as nonsense, or the point is that someone who managed to get victory through the new account that he created was actually none other than luck that came at the right time and not because they gambled using a new account.

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Quote from: Palakka on October 18, 2024, 12:10:19 PM

So far we have not seen much evidence if casinos can manage the losses or wins of their users, but realistically and from a business point of view, of course, the bookmaker will not want to lose , so indeed we also can't say if the casino will also be very honest with its players so far Grin

, but so far I have seen some friends who are involved in gambling they actually have a very small percentage to be able to win because systems that may has been manipulated by such casino platforms, but it is important to always play in legitimate and licensed online casinos in order to ensure that the games we play are fair and not manipulated, according to some sources I have read, legitimate casinos use RNG (Random Number Generator) technology which is regularly audited to ensure the fairness of the games, and One of the casinos that currently uses RNG is the Stake platform which does prioritize fair games without being controlled by anyone.

I know that the house edge of the casino games is always high to favour the casino and not the player but despite being high, some times the amount of losses some players would have will make it hard to believe if the game was actually fair. Did you remember the case where a casino was demanded by the court to refund some players because of the man that gambled off a huge amount and didn't get any single winning and it ended up that the problem was from the casino? The topic was created on this board but I can't get it.

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I don't think the casinos have the power to do that unless they developed their game in-house without a third party provider, in that case such casino may not be transparent. Most of the games in the casinos have their separate providers that develop the games and all the casino do is to get the games from the providers through an agreement just like we have in the sports betting and the bookies.

If you have been playing a casino game but unable to win, therefore thinking that it is the fault of the casino, chances are that you were just unlucky to win because the games are designed with odds heavily against the gamblers.

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There is a question that most of us must have thought about one day, which is whether the competing players in the poker game are real people with personal accounts or are they fake accounts affiliated with the casino. At the same time, I convince myself that this never happens because I have not heard of any cases of cheating of this type being discovered.

Thats a great observation. But a trusted casino site wouod definitely not be engaging to such malpractice since they knew that oncw they get caught it will never be the same again.

But when you know that no one can detect manipulation, or that those who can detect manipulation cannot prove it conclusively, you will not hesitate to do it. Surely this wouldn't include trusted casinos who have a huge user base and doesn't need to think cheating their customers in such a risky way.

I know that there are not many companies that develop casino scripts, so most of them use similar versions. However, this does not prevent the casino from being able to manage the development process in a way that allows manipulation. In the example of poker, the manipulation hypothesis remains strong, especially in casinos that are not very popular.

It is true that all these ideas remain just guesses, but they are legitimate guesses and will remain valid until something comes to prove them wrong.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on October 18, 2024, 04:09:37 PM

There is a question that most of us must have thought about one day, which is whether the competing players in the poker game are real people with personal accounts or are they fake accounts affiliated with the casino. At the same time, I convince myself that this never happens because I have not heard of any cases of cheating of this type being discovered.

Thats a great observation. But a trusted casino site wouod definitely not be engaging to such malpractice since they knew that oncw they get caught it will never be the same again. Many users are likely to thinknof that same as you but, since there are not a lot of case or even if there were in the past, for sure its quite hard to prove that.

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Basically, it is the casino that will regulate the gambling results carried out by players who place bets, players who force themselves to gamble because they want to win, then what they will do is pursue victory, but if the casino itself does not provide an opportunity to win, then no matter how hard the player tries, they will not be able to win, and if you think about it, maybe it's more appropriate that they are just wasting time and wasting money.
The thing to note is that the casino has a greater advantage than the player, so the casino has control over what the player will get, also I don't think there are any players who can beat the casino or the host, even with those who believe that by having a strategy or pattern that can make them win, I don't think that guarantees that they will win because the casino still has a greater advantage, including its control.

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