Topic: Can the casino control whether the user wins or loses? - page 6. (Read 1016 times)

If the casino can control a user account, then it's not provably fair and you should not play on that casinos. As far as I know, those casinos that did this kind of thing are scam or illegal casinos as they can give the user the sense that they are very lucky, and then everything looks good the casino will take everything from the user and so he might go and deposit again.

So for legit and reputable casinos, yes they are provably fair but it doesn't mean that they are there in the business to lose money. Everything still boils down on luck, specially that majority is playing luck base games like slots or dice.

Can you start a business to only profit your customers and not yourself? This is a question that fits a 10years old boy, either new or old account user it doesn't determine how much lucky you can become when gambling, as from today on I want you to understand that this is business, if you want to use a online casino make sure they are using game providers instead of their own very games, some casinos don't care and they will cheat their way out.

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The whole idea of someone deciding to start running a casino in the first place is to make money, this is why as a gambler you can't be greedy with gambling, you can't depend on gambling as your source of income and you must not risk more than you can afford to lose.

Casino is the house, they plan not to go out of business soon, the only way this can happen is if many players are getting too lucky, especially the jackpot hit, this is a lose on their end, and for this main reason is why anything I made off gambling signals the end of my gambling activity for the day.

Winning, you will get lucky if you win big and then exit and never play again. The problem is that after a big win because you got lucky, then you continue to play. Remember as well that casinos have rule about wagering requirements so with that, you can't simply withdraw even if you win big. And at the end of the day, it's all about business and there is this thing called house edge.

Also doesn't matter if you are a new account, it's one of the fallacy that i you are new, then casino might give you that winning or the beginners luck. It's doesn't work that way, there are days that you are going to win and there are more days that you are going to lose.

The online casino has the capabilities to do this. Another question is that there is no need for an honest casino to engage in such manipulations at all. A correctly calculated mathematical model of the casino will always be profitable. If you suspect such manipulations, perhaps you should choose another casino. However, suspicions are not always justified. There are cases of even more incredible luck or vice versa.

No, casino doesn't have any control to any account which continues winning rather they are marked especially those that win big. However, that isn't something to worry about as long as you have violated any rules and terms on the platform.

Also, Casino doesn't have any control to the chances whether your win or lose as they are already set whereas the house will always win the longer you play. Whether you're a new account or not, the chances are always the same, maybe you're just lucky the first time you play on it.

I can't answer this with a static answer as for me it depends on the game. In slot machines, specifically in Pragmatic Play provider if you play at the same casino they keep track of where you left and they behave based on the RTP set by the casino there and it does what the RTP dictates, if you have won a lot last session chances are very high that you will lose in this upcoming session and it happens like this in every Pragmatic Play game. For dice I have no information but may very well be the same situation. So it can also be true that new accounts may be more prone to winning as they start from zero.

If you can manage to reproduce it with 100% accuracy, then yeah, I guess casinos (or specifically the one you're playing in) can control it. Otherwise, it's just you being unlucky. Casinos have their own algorithm so the calculation that an X number of lose streaks can only happen in Y percent doesn't really apply imo. Yes, you can calculate it but that's because there's no scope in it, unlike in casinos where there is a scope, one that ignores streaks, making each bet independent of each other.

As for new accounts being luckier than old ones, maybe. Honestly "beginner's luck" is just something I'd consider as biased judgment. People share it all the time when they get lucky during their first times, but no one really shares when they DON'T get lucky. So information that people have is mostly just people who are lucky, hence the bias.

You are right, of course the casino has a record of wins and losses of everyone who bets and will not control the wins given to each person and what makes someone feel their game is controlled of course they are too hopeful that they will win every bet they play but all they get is losses so they think the casino controls the wins and losses that are played.

If only every new account would get a win from the bets they play, of course every gambler who has experienced a loss on their account will certainly create another account to be able to get a win and I agree with you of course they will go bankrupt if they always give wins to every new account that exists, related to business of course every businessman wants profit and no one who runs a business wants to experience losses, so in terms of winning of course they give it randomly and if someone is having luck of course they will be able to win the bet played.

Though we know that these games are designed to follow an algorithm, they aren't actually controlled by the casino. Probably they might be able to adjust the difficulty from time to time if they find out that players are getting wins to easily but the algorithm remains same. It's normal for a new account to experience some wins at most 50-80% luck. It's actually a way for you to continue playing on their casino so you don't end up moving somewhere else.. when you begin to familiarize yourself with their casino then you see how often the games might be different from when you got started...

Yes. A new account has a higher probability of winning. Why? Well, that's how you make a gambling addict. That's how you urge more gamblers to keep on playing. It's a tactic that has been going on in the gambling industry for years even when online casinos are not yet created.

I can still remember when I was still a non-VIP member in a known gambling site. I won crazy multipliers and I gladly withdrew most of them in different cryptocurrencies. But now that I am one of the VIPs, hitting that high multiplier is an occasional thing. You will have to lose more first before the RTP hits and gives you back a part of what lost or maybe if you are lucky a higher amount with a bit of profit.

There are no real winners in gambling if you keep on playing. There must be a stop which means you won't be back forever and that's when you can say you are a winner. Yes, they do have a system that monitors your activity which means they know how much you won and how much you have to lose for a tiebreaker or worse.

It's possible if you gamble on not trustworthy casino where and they don't allow you to verify your bet.

Trusted casinos that offer you to verify your bet can't do that because they have no control over your luck, regardless you create multiple accounts, it doesn't able to increase your winning chance.

However, I don't believe if you suffer 70x lose streak in a row, you're just exaggerate it.

I believe casinos keep track of win and losses but won't control whether a user win or losses. The result of games played are instant and purely random since we all know it's a game of chance.

As you may already know, casinos are bound by  gaming regulations to ensure the integrity of their games so they won't give you hundred percent loss. Your situation is just one of a few. It doesn't always happen to new accounts if it does then the casinos would run out of business as through word of mouth or any other means, they will have so many new users signing up in order to win.

The business is to make profit and not loss by handing wins to all new accounts.

If you observe that a casino gives preference to a newly registered account over old ones it might be an indication that the games are not fair. Giving greater chances to new accounts shows that it is a preplanned move to attract new customers. I wouldn't be loyal to such a casino. But it can also backfire since people will just keep registering new accounts to exploit the system. But if you have such an experience playing in a reputable casino, I will guess that it was just a coincidence.

We can only guess and mine is Yes, they may play booty with newcomers ^{(though I never tried to check it  as I think they have the ability to identify you by examining the digital fingerprints of you machine. thus,  spoofing accounts would be not an easy task, I think)}  . I suppose you think in this direction, to have a few accounts ^(right?), but to have the correct statistics you need much more than dozens, and this ^{as I said} is the hard task.

Maybe. Some casino games are designed in a way to hook the new gamblers with profits in the beginning, so that the gamblers spend more and more and then the games make the gamblers lose money and milk their funds. This cannot be proven, but there are a lot of suspicious casinos.
The question you are trying to ask is "Are gambling games rigged?". There's no clear answer to this question, because no clear evidence can be provided. Maybe some players are unlucky or maybe the casino games are actually rigged.

I think it's very possible to do so and i have been watching the podcast several months ago and the source of the podcast is a former employee of a gambling site and he says the gambling site very possible to determined who is the next players would be win or lost so basically the gambling sites can manipulate the gambling results for each players but i think mostly the casinos who manipulate the results is scam casinos so this is not generally because for popular casinos and honest casinos certainly they won't do that because their purposes when create the casinos is want to gets long term profit and last long in this industry so that's why they should be fair to the players and managed their reputation because if those casinos manipulate the results then it can ruin their reputation

If we only think about the negative things about casinos such as manipulation or accounts that have been controlled to regulate wins and losses so that we as gamblers experience more losses, then clearly this only gives us bad thoughts about all casinos and we will not be able to feel the pleasure.
It should be noted that games like dice are games of luck and if you are not lucky, maybe using many new accounts will not give you win, you only try once or twice but over time with more experience will provide more logical thinking related to all things like this.
Moreover, the chances of winning in game will not really be known so it is better to just gamble according to your abilities and don't think too much negatively, we are here to have fun even though there is little desire to win and make profit.

I feel that many players can identify with. Casinos are designed on probabilities not to occur. And while it would appear that the bookmaker can win the outcome, especially following a significant win or loss. Most of the established casinos use RNGs to boost the productivity of their games. especially For games like dice The idea that comes up is that each spin, or roll, should be independent and aleatory. This means it should be theoretically impossible for you to win or lose any better in a given game than you might on another of equal length.

Conversely, there's always speculation about how casinos could enhance the odds. Especially when someone appears to win big early on. This might be seen as more of a 'shock' to force players to continue betting. However, there is no strong evidence that it holds true for all time. You will testify to having a huge win on a new score card and then going on a losing streak, a phenomenon many gamblers face. However, most of the time, this depends on how the game is played. It was much more erratic than casinos that target specific accounts.

Your 70 consecutive losses may seem impossible when you consider the odds. But that's one of the secrets of what can happen. There is no guarantee that you will be able to do reasonably well in a short period of time. and continuous losses Both good and bad are possible. Finally, casinos still have limited draws over time. So no matter how much you win at the beginning. The value of the home will also come into play in the end.

Smart you get paid when you are ahead! Man, managing your bank account knowing when to stop when a middling game is so unpredictable. And while it may be tough to think that opening a new account will give you an edge, But truth be told, your bottom-line long-term results would still have to depend on.


What a great idea! Being transparent as well as competitive in the game industry does mean that platforms need to be more responsible towards their users. Gathering all bets and third-party licenses and ratings provides such a high level of safety and fairness that this is unprecedented. It's great to know that we have more control and oversight as players.

Still, psychologically, I believe you are correct. The early winning can be so very enticing And people will want to keep gambling. I have seen how easily one becomes caught up in that rush. Believing the winning will continue. But in fact It is all a game. Chests, slots, or whatever one gambles on, depends on skills. And understanding this at the out set can give us boundaries at a healthy level. As you said. It's very important to get a head start by learning the platform and the game before plunging in it. Gambling can be fun. But if we know how it works Especially at home and the coincidence of everything. We can help manage expectations and avoid the impact of loss.


You are absolutely correct and ‘doorway’ is actually a key factor that makes casino games unprofitable in the long run for users. It is designed to keep the casinos ahead over time. What I find interesting is how short-term differences can make things look much better or worse. It reminded me how easy it is to get caught up in that winning streak, thinking 'maybe I'll break the system, only to end up losing that round. As you said Statistical spreads are unpredictable. Which is why setting limits and being realistic in the long term Therefore it is very important. It's okay to enjoy the game just the way it is. But keeping in mind that the host's presence at all times will help manage expectations.

On average, casino games are unprofitable for the user. Partly because of random losses and wins, and partly because of the "house edge". And this advantage is that losing situations for you occur a little more often than winning ones. However, averages do not tell you anything about the spread of results. And the spread can be such that in one case you will lose a lot. Unexpectedly a lot, you will have a long series of losses. And in another case you will win unexpectedly a lot. You can have a long series of wins. But on average, you will lose a little more often than you win.

I have my fair share of opinion of that on earlier page of this topic. But can I ask if you think that there are platforms or gambling sites that has been reported in scam site or reputation that has been known to do this kind of manipulation already? Or has been proved guilty of this theory on fairness.