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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 03, 2021, 04:29:32 AM

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

I don't think so. There is always two think in opposites. There is health and sick,
it is poor and rich
there is old and young
and so on.

Poverty may be the condition where to let people try and struggle themself to make their life better, to thank their life, and also how they can be thankful about whatever the condition.
ANd wealth will be the way for people to thank that they are rich, not poor and in this way, they can really appreciate what everybody is struggling with.

Although rich and poor is likely the only status, but in fact, this status really means something very deep in our life.

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To stop poverty, we must stop corruption first. All those countries who have highest rate of poverty have highest rate of corruption. See for instance, India, Somalia, Myanmar they have common enemy aka corruption.

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Greed will always be there on each and every generation which makes it impossible to have a world with no poverty. No matter what we say or do to convince others to give equally and fairly to everyone, they will still choose to side with greed. Also, being too lazy causes one to become poor and stay poor. Not everyone has the willpower to keep going in life amidst the obstacles they are facing and not everyone has the ability to stay motivated after experience lots of failures in their lives. Even if you would swear to end poverty in a country, it can never happen cause each individual are different. One may persevere while one is procrastinating, that's how it usually works.

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Quote from: galestorm on March 29, 2021, 05:22:21 AM

Unfortunately, poverty cant be solved that easily. It depends on those who are at the top whether they will solve this problem because they have the power and the resources to do so. The government doesnt seem to be doing anything to help the less fortunate. Though the government has given them relief goods and school supplies to aid them in the pursuit of knowledge, but none of the solutions provide a way to enable the poor to have a stable income. This is the sad reality that we live in, there is a saying that the poor become poorer and the rich become richer.

I don't think the world can ever be without poor people because the people have different levels of intelligence, knowledge, discipline, and background. That means, what Mr. A can achieve Mr. B can never achieve because of their different background, knowledge, discipline, intelligence, and more. Getting out of poverty is more complex than rocket science for an illiterate as he actually has zero plan for his life. If a man has zero plan for himself what do you expect?

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Unfortunately, poverty cant be solved that easily. It depends on those who are at the top whether they will solve this problem because they have the power and the resources to do so. The government doesnt seem to be doing anything to help the less fortunate. Though the government has given them relief goods and school supplies to aid them in the pursuit of knowledge, but none of the solutions provide a way to enable the poor to have a stable income. This is the sad reality that we live in, there is a saying that the poor become poorer and the rich become richer.

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If you substitute all people with robots and turn the whole world into a huge mechanism or conveyor, then the world would be without poverty. Because everyone will be equal and everyone will have its role and no goals.
If you take all money from everyone in the world and give everyone back equal amount, immediately, after first trade or exchange, someone will become richer than other and someone poorer. And with time, everything will get back to what is now. Because everyone is individual and has his own needs.

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Who wouldn't like it?! that the world can be without poverty that everything can avail of anything they want to have in life, that every single needs can be met that each and every country can provide for what ever the needs of their country men but we all know that this is not true I wish its true, if only every is not only thinking of their needs and be fair and help one another, if only people is not greedy of money and fear of God.

The world would be in chaos if that happens. There is a order to everything. We would always have the Rich and the Poor and those in between. We have systems put in place to make sure of that. The Rich folks will always do all they can to maintain their wealth because they understand the power of money. They wont lose that power so easily. They invest wisely and impact the same knowledge and enthusiasm into their children. The same goes for the poor folks and its just an endless cycle

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Quote from: carlisle1 on March 28, 2021, 08:51:02 AM

Third world is what you called those people who are eating once a day, some are not even have that chance and really suffering.
There are some people who have the privilege's to enjoy the luxuries while there are more people that ain't even got something to place
in their tables, poverty is one of those many problems any government are facing all around the world.

I have to disagree with you carlisle1 you clearly misrepresented what a third world nation is. Painting a image that a third world country is one where its citizens can afford a meal is very wrong and stereotyped. The term "third world" has been used too often to generalize developing countries particularly in Africa as being primitive and unable to cater for themselves. This is not true!! Countries in the third world are developing countries not underdeveloped. And with good management of resources a third world could easily develop. The difference between most developing countries and developed countries is basically three things; Management, Corruption, Vision

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 28, 2021, 10:36:12 PM

Either you have never visited a third world nation in your entire life, or you are living in the 1990s. There are poor people in third world nations, and there are lots of them (hundreds of millions). But there are very few who can't afford food twice a day. Times have changed and poverty is in decline, even in these third world nations. They may not be able to afford the luxuries, but at the same time most of them can afford the basic things such as food and electricity.

I think a third world country is considered as one in my opinion if the country has a high poverty rates, resource deficiency, high crime and corruption rates, wealth disparity is large and unstable finances. How can you say that poverty is declining? Are you working on surveys about the third world country to confirm that the poverty rate is declining? Why is in my country a lot of people in the poverty line can't afford those basic necessities that you are stating? Because according to this article the poverty index for two years is 9.1 to 9.4 percent which is a considerable increase compared to 9.2 percent in 2017. This study also shows that 3 billion of people lives under 2.5 USD a day so is the poverty really declining? To answer the title, I would say that it can be solved but we have to move aside our differences and remove corruption in our governments and change the mentality of the masses but given that we haven't solved poverty for a long time, I don't think that we will be able to solve it.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on March 28, 2021, 08:51:02 AM

Third world is what you called those people who are eating once a day, some are not even have that chance and really suffering.
There are some people who have the privilege's to enjoy the luxuries while there are more people that ain't even got something to place
in their tables, poverty is one of those many problems any government are facing all around the world.

Either you have never visited a third world nation in your entire life, or you are living in the 1990s. There are poor people in third world nations, and there are lots of them (hundreds of millions). But there are very few who can't afford food twice a day. Times have changed and poverty is in decline, even in these third world nations. They may not be able to afford the luxuries, but at the same time most of them can afford the basic things such as food and electricity.

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Quote from: DrBeer on March 28, 2021, 12:06:15 PM

The answer is extremely simple - NO! A world without poverty, or rather, without dividing society into "strata" with different levels of income and consumption, is NOT POSSIBLE!
People pronounce the word "poverty" considering it a PROBLEM, and this is a manifestation, a CONSEQUENCE of other processes. The problem goes much deeper than simply "unequal distribution of income among the population." Poverty is a collective manifestation of many problems - from ordinary human laziness or stupidity, to the structure of countries, the political system, religion and other characteristics of both the individual and society. Poverty is not evil or misfortune, evil and misfortune is to keep people in such conditions and not to correct this situation, coming up with excuses like a world conspiracy!

Well, I agree with you because some people are completely reliant on the government and can't even hold their own when accusing others in positions of power. Some citizens do not pay taxes but yet earn benefits from the government while doing nothing to change their condition. People will know what they need to get their lives to the top if they strive to understand and situation they are in. Some people quickly found that education can help them get out of poverty and that it can also help them find progress. If you don't do something to ascend to the upside, you'll remain on the downside, which is dumb because they don't care and will continue to depend on others.

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The answer is extremely simple - NO! A world without poverty, or rather, without dividing society into "strata" with different levels of income and consumption, is NOT POSSIBLE!
People pronounce the word "poverty" considering it a PROBLEM, and this is a manifestation, a CONSEQUENCE of other processes. The problem goes much deeper than simply "unequal distribution of income among the population." Poverty is a collective manifestation of many problems - from ordinary human laziness or stupidity, to the structure of countries, the political system, religion and other characteristics of both the individual and society. Poverty is not evil or misfortune, evil and misfortune is to keep people in such conditions and not to correct this situation, coming up with excuses like a world conspiracy!

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I was thinking, if the world has no poverty maybe all people are just happy. There will be no crime, no thief, no illegal drugs, no one is hungry. But who will work? Maybe all people will work together and enjoy together.

But I am also thinking that,

It will not become balance if all people in the world are rich that's why poverty is always there so that those people at the lower level can work hard and the rich people pay them. You can see that people in the society is divided into a different level, there is a higher class, middle class, lower class, poor and poorest among the poor. And those different types of people has a different functions in our economy to make it balance.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 27, 2021, 10:35:07 PM

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You just said that there are three classes of people in terms of Richness classification and you went ahead to list some countries where you think this three classes of people do not really exist? Do you really think the whole of the population of this countries because they are small compared to other countries have the same level of richness? They might not be poor based on the level or stranded when compared to other countries as some have already pointed out, but to me even in their country as long as we are going to classify bass on their own stranded then they will all fall into their different categories which could still be seen as the High, middle and lower where the lower level will be seen as poor in that country even though they might have access to basic amenities.

In a relative sense you can say that there are people in countries such as Switzerland and Singapore who are not as rich as the majority population. But even these are very comfortable as far as basic amenities (food, home ownership.etc) are concerned. You can call them as "lower class", but definitely not as "poor" as the former is more suitable to relative classification. On the other hand, in South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa, you can find that a majority of the population can't afford basic amenities. These people are the "real" poor class.

Third world is what you called those people who are eating once a day, some are not even have that chance and really suffering.
There are some people who have the privilege's to enjoy the luxuries while there are more people that ain't even got something to place
in their tables, poverty is one of those many problems any government are facing all around the world.

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I think that this is the essence of the structure of the world system, that someone should be rich and someone poor. Without the poor, there will be no rich people, since the rich get richer at the expense of the poor.

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Quote from: nicecrypto on March 27, 2021, 01:31:14 AM

You just said that there are three classes of people in terms of Richness classification and you went ahead to list some countries where you think this three classes of people do not really exist? Do you really think the whole of the population of this countries because they are small compared to other countries have the same level of richness? They might not be poor based on the level or stranded when compared to other countries as some have already pointed out, but to me even in their country as long as we are going to classify bass on their own stranded then they will all fall into their different categories which could still be seen as the High, middle and lower where the lower level will be seen as poor in that country even though they might have access to basic amenities.

In a relative sense you can say that there are people in countries such as Switzerland and Singapore who are not as rich as the majority population. But even these are very comfortable as far as basic amenities (food, home ownership.etc) are concerned. You can call them as "lower class", but definitely not as "poor" as the former is more suitable to relative classification. On the other hand, in South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa, you can find that a majority of the population can't afford basic amenities. These people are the "real" poor class.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 03, 2021, 04:29:32 AM

I am thinking with how people is, is there a way possible for everyone to live without being poor, though their can be hierarchy but in a way no one is poor? But I am thinking it is not possible. If anything happens today that the poor are richer and got richer than the rich people, the rich people will become poor too because life is not just balance.

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

"Can" it be? Of course it can, there is actually enough man power to make sure that nobody is too poor, I am not talking about giving everyone a house and a car and food for life of whatever they want to eat and a pool and some high end tech gadgets bla bla bla, you get it I do not mean rich life.

I just mean if we are living in a world where people die because they do not have access to healthcare, food, shelter those are things we can actually cover right now but unfortunately people are too greedy so people who are doing fine do not want to share their situation with people who are much worse, hence we have people who have enough to pay for tens of millions of peoples food for a year with their yearly income but decline to even pay their fair share taxes let alone donate.

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If the world is without poverty, there may be no humanity, no nature, no physical work, and so on. Because all of the low-level workers who live below the level of poverty are not always happy with their work but they are bonded by a shortage that's why they have to do high hard work like drivers, cleaners, sealers, constructors, etc. If this person can stay well without hard work, they will not continue this types of work and then the whole world will change as robotic themes

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There is no such thing as a perfect society where there are no poor people or people that suffers from poverty. The class differences will exist no matter what. The best we can do is reduce the differences between each other by providing external support. Even that "external support" won't make much difference. If they keep on receiving benefits from the government, chances are the people won't try to improve themselves any further and will forever be dependent on the government (tax payers money).
If everyone becomes equally rich, there won't be a balance. It is almost impossible to make a world where everyone is equally rich.

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Quote from: BETTYUI on March 25, 2021, 02:48:12 AM

Impossible. If this is the case, then the world will become unremarkable and new, and the world will not progress. A world must have a good side and a bad side to balance it. This is a natural law and cannot be changed. ! Competition can improve people's self-motivated and can improve themselves in constant competition.

Theoretically it is not impossible. In most of the countries, we have three classes of people - rich, middle class and poor. But there are some countries where the poor doesn't exist. I am talking about countries such as Switzerland, Monaco and Singapore. These countries have smaller population, and as a result the governments are able to provide the basic necessities to the population. The same can't be said about overpopulated countries such as Bangladesh or Nigeria.

You just said that there are three classes of people in terms of Richness classification and you went ahead to list some countries where you think this three classes of people do not really exist? Do you really think the whole of the population of this countries because they are small compared to other countries have the same level of richness? They might not be poor based on the level or stranded when compared to other countries as some have already pointed out, but to me even in their country as long as we are going to classify bass on their own stranded then they will all fall into their different categories which could still be seen as the High, middle and lower where the lower level will be seen as poor in that country even though they might have access to basic amenities.

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