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It is possible but not achievable. We are in the world today where some people because of the religious and cultural believe think no government can tell them how many kids they much give birth. Check the population growth index, you will discover that countries that have bad economy, poverty striking communities etc

More population shouldn't always equal to less development and economical status. If we can consider the bigger population as some kind of human resource, we can actually say more the population, more is the resource if only the country and their government knows how to use that valueable resource. The excess population can be recruited in army where the country will be stronger in terms of defense while providing employment to unemployed ones. Making use of natural resources efficiently is a fundamental need for every individual for their country and even the world.

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Quote from: romero121 on March 22, 2021, 05:49:42 PM

The financial system thats been followed by the government is completely wrong. It has got the responsibility to support the one in need and uplift them to reach the next level of life. Here, what the government does is completely against this. It always wants to support the corporate networks and other firms, which means governments believe infrastructure and financial development in terms of GDP will hide the poverty to the outer world. Even USA is not an exception, similar thing is going on. There are people who are living more than six years on the car because of poverty.

You can talk about high matters as much as you like, but reality will still make its own adjustments. Unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal world, and the powerful of this world will always try and use the state mechanism to promote their interests and strengthen their influence and wealth. The most important thing is that this either coincides with the interests of other segments of the population of the state or that these segments of the population can curb these encroachments on their own interests in order to reduce the difference in the level of wealth of citizens.

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Unfortunately, most poor people have an inferiority complex and feel very jealous of the rich, they cannot give up their poor status and go up, they just sit there complaining about their fates and failures while the rich stay active and go up every day, only a few poor people can sympathize with their fate and try to give up a poor life in order to go up. Having too many children is not a reason to be poor, it is important that the thinking of the poor is too backward and not upgraded, it is difficult to dismiss this thought when it was plugged too deep into their minds

Completely agreed. For the sake of argument, it can be claimed that previously it was extremely difficult for the poor people to gain necessary education or skills so that they could qualify for a job that provides them with a decent salary. But that is not the case now. Smartphones and mobile internet connections are now affordable for everyone. If someone really want to get themselves out of poverty, then they can do that with relative ease.

If you are born poor, that's fine but if you still end up poor when dying, then it's a sin already, it's already a choice. Poverty cannot be fully eradicate but there are a lot of ways on how to lessen them. Government should also know how to assist the poor like extending equal job opportunities to rich or poor and not only for those who are favored relatives of the government officials.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 22, 2021, 12:19:59 PM

Quote from: geegaw on March 21, 2021, 09:44:57 AM

Unfortunately, most poor people have an inferiority complex and feel very jealous of the rich, they cannot give up their poor status and go up, they just sit there complaining about their fates and failures while the rich stay active and go up every day, only a few poor people can sympathize with their fate and try to give up a poor life in order to go up. Having too many children is not a reason to be poor, it is important that the thinking of the poor is too backward and not upgraded, it is difficult to dismiss this thought when it was plugged too deep into their minds

Completely agreed. For the sake of argument, it can be claimed that previously it was extremely difficult for the poor people to gain necessary education or skills so that they could qualify for a job that provides them with a decent salary. But that is not the case now. Smartphones and mobile internet connections are now affordable for everyone. If someone really want to get themselves out of poverty, then they can do that with relative ease.

The financial system thats been followed by the government is completely wrong. It has got the responsibility to support the one in need and uplift them to reach the next level of life. Here, what the government does is completely against this. It always wants to support the corporate networks and other firms, which means governments believe infrastructure and financial development in terms of GDP will hide the poverty to the outer world. Even USA is not an exception, similar thing is going on. There are people who are living more than six years on the car because of poverty.

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Quote from: geegaw on March 21, 2021, 09:44:57 AM

Unfortunately, most poor people have an inferiority complex and feel very jealous of the rich, they cannot give up their poor status and go up, they just sit there complaining about their fates and failures while the rich stay active and go up every day, only a few poor people can sympathize with their fate and try to give up a poor life in order to go up. Having too many children is not a reason to be poor, it is important that the thinking of the poor is too backward and not upgraded, it is difficult to dismiss this thought when it was plugged too deep into their minds

Completely agreed. For the sake of argument, it can be claimed that previously it was extremely difficult for the poor people to gain necessary education or skills so that they could qualify for a job that provides them with a decent salary. But that is not the case now. Smartphones and mobile internet connections are now affordable for everyone. If someone really want to get themselves out of poverty, then they can do that with relative ease.

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Quote from: Alucard1 on March 21, 2021, 10:27:58 AM

I don't think that the world will exist without poverty, things should be balanced if there are rich then there are also poor people, we can not say some as a rich person if we don't have the concept of being poor, there wouldn't be labors if all people are rich right? What would happen to many companies or factories that are executing manually by the laborers if we are all rich. The world would really not good if there would be no balance.

Therefore, we should care more about life, because with the awareness of rich and poor at least we will use money wisely because rich and poor in this world are always side by side. At least with this awareness, we will be more able to appreciate many things in this world and not only about economics and finances, because by realizing that there are rich and poor, there is nothing we can be proud of even though we have a lot of money because this life will rotate.

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Quote from: virasisog on March 21, 2021, 09:13:15 PM

No, we cannot make social status balance where there is no one poor. You are correct sometimes it is not the lack of opportunity or knowledge that is the reason behind poverty, it is people being lazy and dependent on whatever they can get for free. Just imagine if everyone is rich and financially capable, no one will be working, there will be jo manpower, no one needs a job. I guess that is how the economy works. Even developed countries cannot solve poverty.

Machines will keep working. Poverty can be finished with technology. As technology is developed we need less and less human effort in order to acquire goods and services we need daily. Instead of human labor, machines replace it with efficiency. Furthermore, life becomes cheaper as we advance towards the future and I can mention alternative sources of energy as an example. They are freely generated!
Of course lazy and pessimistic people will still face issues in life and there will be much richer people above them, but anyway the life quality of the poorest ones will be much better than now. History repeat itself: Look how was the life of the poorest ones centuries ago and how it is now. There is a significant improvement in life standards.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 03, 2021, 04:29:32 AM

In world, there is hierarchy, that is why some people are rich, some are average, some are not that rich but still having good living some are poor, while the poor still look at some and still appreciate life because they are poorer. I am beginning to thinking laziness can be the result of some people not having good living, while some is purely due to ignorant an lack of knowledge and exposure, some even only lack information.

I am thinking with how people is, is there a way possible for everyone to live without being poor, though their can be hierarchy but in a way no one is poor? But I am thinking it is not possible. If anything happens today that the poor are richer and got richer than the rich people, the rich people will become poor too because life is not just balance.

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

It can, if only the whole people in world cooperate with each other. Maybe if therr no boundaries and limits, no more racism and we stand as one nation. But it is still far away from reality, maybe a war could break and kill most of the people of the earth and the ones left are the good ones who doesn't discriminate. It is possible mate, anything is possible. But if we see backwards, read history, poverty was there, just think how many thousands of years it was and yet we are here right now, poverty is never like before, it's the balance.

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The world cannot be without poverty because is not in any location is a mentality. There some persons that can never be rich because of their mentality. They cannot take risk because they over value what they have and always believe in failure.

People who are too afraid of risk usually not rich but have enough for them to make living, mentality is truly problem but usually poor people are lacking in education and that's the number one contributor of many poor people failure to get out of poverty and many of them also have the habit of overspending on something useless because they want to fill the void in their feeling of desire for a long time. basic universal income could also work to solve poverty if it was given not in form of money but basic needs like food.

True but some times it is not just the uneducated that are poor, we have seen even the educated go broke even with their high level of education because of they too did some sort of overspending on things that aren't relevant to them but at the time it was more like a show off or a competition with others. Any ways, poverty is some thing that cant be totally eradicated from this world cos thing will have to work in complementary of the other.

That is because people receive a lot of training in their particular fields of study but most people never receive any training about how to manage their finances, which is completely ridiculous, people need to receive financial education but governments do not want to do this, and this is because they benefit from leaving most of the population on the dark about the economy, if people knew what they were doing with their fiat or their taxes governments will not be able to get away with half of the stuff they do.

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No, we cannot make social status balance where there is no one poor. You are correct sometimes it is not the lack of opportunity or knowledge that is the reason behind poverty, it is people being lazy and dependent on whatever they can get for free. Just imagine if everyone is rich and financially capable, no one will be working, there will be jo manpower, no one needs a job. I guess that is how the economy works. Even developed countries cannot solve poverty.

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We live in a system where we can't build anything which is systematically going on. Likewise, poverty can't finish within a night, it is a process and we, the people already habituated with it. But it can be reduced over the time by helping the poor. To change the social system, there will be needed a revolution then it may works by establishing Marxism or socialism, maybe. Though every theory has it's own limitation.

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I don't think that the world will exist without poverty, things should be balanced if there are rich then there are also poor people, we can not say some as a rich person if we don't have the concept of being poor, there wouldn't be labors if all people are rich right? What would happen to many companies or factories that are executing manually by the laborers if we are all rich. The world would really not good if there would be no balance.

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A world without poverty? That utopia! And I bet it would never gonna happen. Not in this time where elites prefer to just stay inside their bubble and keep on turning a blind eye. I'm not blaming them for having a good life though, of course, the majority of them deserve what they have. I'm pertaining to those people who hoard so much wealth while not giving a damn thing about the average people they are exploiting to generate their wealth.

Poverty is deep-rooted and it existed for time immemorial. It could not be easily eliminated in an instant. Not when most people have their own priorities in life and the leaders governing are putting their self-interests first.

There is no point in being jealous. The rich have worked hard for their wealth and they do pay a significant part of their earnings back to the government in the form of various direct and indirect taxes. Rather than complaining about the rich, the so called "poor" should try to learn new skills rather than being a burden to the society. And also, they should stop producing a dozen children each, as the planet is already overpopulated.

Unfortunately, most poor people have an inferiority complex and feel very jealous of the rich, they cannot give up their poor status and go up, they just sit there complaining about their fates and failures while the rich stay active and go up every day, only a few poor people can sympathize with their fate and try to give up a poor life in order to go up. Having too many children is not a reason to be poor, it is important that the thinking of the poor is too backward and not upgraded, it is difficult to dismiss this thought when it was plugged too deep into their minds

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 03, 2021, 04:29:32 AM

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

here it is necessary to make it clear that it is not possible that all people are not poor, but it is possible that all people are poor with basic and good conditions to live, when I talk about basic and good conditions I mean having food every day, money for clothes and at least a car, a salary or a business

the reason why the world is watching countries like mine where people are dying of hunger Is because a group of corrupt, bad and brainless people are presidents of many countries.

the problem is in corruption and leaders who know nothing (dumb presidents)

It is sad that many people choose people who know nothing to be presidents of their country and worse they choose corrupt and thieves to be presidents of their countries, and the result is that many countries are in poverty

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I guess no because it's in human nature that they will take advantage to gain and to be above.

Education and employment can at least reduce poverty in every country. The poverty rate will increase if there are many unemployed in a country because of the narrow job opportunities. In this case, the government of a country is responsible for creating jobs for its citizen which in turn will increase its economic level.

The poverty rate in developed and developing countries are very different. In developed countries the poverty rate may be much lower than in developing countries, especially if there are still many corrupt official. My country is still categorized as a poor country in my opinion. There are thousand of college graduate who do not have a job which is increasing every year and has caused poverty to continue to grow.

Yes, education can reduce poverty but a world without poverty is impossible. Because if at this time there was even distribution of wealth and really everyone was given 10,000 USD, then those who are currently poor will still be poor because they are not thinking about multiplying the money that will run out later but are lazy to think about buying everything they need and want. As happened in my country, one region received a large amount of money for asset replacement due to land eviction. The money that is generated is not invested but is spent busy buying a car which is basically a desire not a need. That is the mindset that keeps poverty on this earth.

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Quote from: Wisbrown on March 20, 2021, 04:29:25 PM

The world cannot be without poverty because is not in any location is a mentality. There some persons that can never be rich because of their mentality. They cannot take risk because they over value what they have and always believe in failure.

People who are too afraid of risk usually not rich but have enough for them to make living, mentality is truly problem but usually poor people are lacking in education and that's the number one contributor of many poor people failure to get out of poverty and many of them also have the habit of overspending on something useless because they want to fill the void in their feeling of desire for a long time. basic universal income could also work to solve poverty if it was given not in form of money but basic needs like food.

True but some times it is not just the uneducated that are poor, we have seen even the educated go broke even with their high level of education because of they too did some sort of overspending on things that aren't relevant to them but at the time it was more like a show off or a competition with others. Any ways, poverty is some thing that cant be totally eradicated from this world cos thing will have to work in complementary of the other.

Not all educated since the competition to find job is so high and also I saw so many guys became rich even though they don't have any college diploma, Degree doesn't mean anything since hardwork and being street smart is one of the key of others to became millionaires. If government change their school lecturing and teach kids how to be a businessman and financial literacy maybe it can decrease the poverty rate on their country.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on March 21, 2021, 02:02:53 AM

I guess no because it's in human nature that they will take advantage to gain and to be above.

Education and employment can at least reduce poverty in every country. The poverty rate will increase if there are many unemployed in a country because of the narrow job opportunities. In this case, the government of a country is responsible for creating jobs for its citizen which in turn will increase its economic level.

The poverty rate in developed and developing countries are very different. In developed countries the poverty rate may be much lower than in developing countries, especially if there are still many corrupt official. My country is still categorized as a poor country in my opinion. There are thousand of college graduate who do not have a job which is increasing every year and has caused poverty to continue to grow.

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Quote from: Wisbrown on March 20, 2021, 04:29:25 PM

The world cannot be without poverty because is not in any location is a mentality. There some persons that can never be rich because of their mentality. They cannot take risk because they over value what they have and always believe in failure.

People who are too afraid of risk usually not rich but have enough for them to make living, mentality is truly problem but usually poor people are lacking in education and that's the number one contributor of many poor people failure to get out of poverty and many of them also have the habit of overspending on something useless because they want to fill the void in their feeling of desire for a long time. basic universal income could also work to solve poverty if it was given not in form of money but basic needs like food.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 03, 2021, 04:29:32 AM

In world, there is hierarchy, that is why some people are rich, some are average, some are not that rich but still having good living some are poor, while the poor still look at some and still appreciate life because they are poorer. I am beginning to thinking laziness can be the result of some people not having good living, while some is purely due to ignorant an lack of knowledge and exposure, some even only lack information.

I am thinking with how people is, is there a way possible for everyone to live without being poor, though their can be hierarchy but in a way no one is poor? But I am thinking it is not possible. If anything happens today that the poor are richer and got richer than the rich people, the rich people will become poor too because life is not just balance.

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

I guess no because it's in human nature that they will take advantage to gain and to be above. Many people are aiming to have power, to rule, and to get all of the things they've wanted because this is what we need for survival. So at the end of the day, even we reset the world, even we start from the start and refresh the economy, the poor will still exist. Well, the term "poor" has a different meaning in different ideals so we can't do anything about it and it'll exist forever. How can an individual with a normal characteristic, rise above if he can't? because some individuals are better and can manage to bring themselves above without extra effort because they're made completely better than others and that's how they divide the people's status.

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"Can the world be without the rich?" is almost the same question. And the answer is no. We live in capitalistic society. Even progressive taxation system can't eliminate inequality.

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