Topic: Can the world be without poverty - page 16. (Read 9985 times)

There is no point in being jealous. The rich have worked hard for their wealth and they do pay a significant part of their earnings back to the government in the form of various direct and indirect taxes. Rather than complaining about the rich, the so called "poor" should try to learn new skills rather than being a burden to the society. And also, they should stop producing a dozen children each, as the planet is already overpopulated.

The world cannot be without poverty because is not in any location is a mentality. There some persons that can never  be rich because of their mentality. They cannot take risk because they over value what they have and always believe in failure.

The world can not be without poverty. Having said that, the word poverty can be illustrated in different philosophies in life cause ignorant people are somehow in poverty and why people who have no money are also in poverty.

A world without poverty? That utopia! And I bet it would never gonna happen. Not in this time where elites prefer to just stay inside their bubble and keep on turning a blind eye. I'm not blaming them for having a good life though, of course, the majority of them deserve what they have. I'm pertaining to those people who hoard so much wealth while not giving a damn thing about the average people they are exploiting to generate their wealth.

Poverty is deep-rooted and it existed for time immemorial. It could not be easily eliminated in an instant. Not when most people have their own priorities in life and the leaders governing are putting their self-interests first.

Before you can have this conversation you have to first...

Define poverty.   For north America is poverty less then 2 tvs?  No tvs?  No cable?  No smart phone?   No house? or No food?  No healthcare?  What is it?   Will you Stand by that definition or will you let someone else redefine it every 3 years? Is it correct to redefine it every 3 years? 

Your statement claims the reason people are rich and people are poor is due to the "hierarchy"   This statement is maybe 10% correct.   The creation of a hierarchy is necessary to get things done.  That in itself is a topic worth entire threads on. 

Most people are under the assumption that there is some sort of balance in the universe, and that we humans are somehow violating with hierarchy creation.   The universe would have instantly snuffed itself out if it was created equally.  Matter and antimatter would have instantly erased each other and there would be No universe.    The universe literally functions by being unequal.

Investigate what a Pareto distribution is.  Trees follow it.   Planets follow it.  Suns follow it.   Human Hierarchy's follow it.   

Capitalism doesn't create 1 hierarchy like socialism does.   Where you have 99% poor and starving people.  Capitalism creates Millions of Hierarchy's.  Almost no one starves. Perfect ?  No.  Perfection is a goal which you will Never ever reach.  But the idea that you should remove/suppress/tax all the people who are generating wealth due to what is IN FACT jealousy to revert to a system that guarantees that same poverty which you are claiming it will avoid.  Is what I call Insanity.

Last question why does this question come up everywhere all the damn time? 

We have a different perspective in life it's like a race to the ones who already got hard-working times they are the ones who got a lot of earnings and they now handle that situation to become rich this is the mistake of other people they let themselves go with the flow and not making their paths. This is the hierarchy starts if you got a good amount of money and power you can now easily manipulate the people lower than your situation. Eventhough we want to help them still they can't handle their own selves to rise.

i think that this is a great topic and interesting one. The first thought thaw came into my mind after reading your post was - no, it is not possible  and i was thinking of third world countries and the western world, it seems that 3rd world countries are doing the low paid job and the western world is paying them for it in exchnage for their cheap goods which seemingly is the foundation of capitalism. But then there are rich countries without any resources with good fundamental economics like Finland which could easily live without any cheap products from 3rd world countries and have the same good economics, this makes me think that there is world where everyone could live in prosperity.

That is not going to be possible, and I am saying that because there are so many reasons why someone can be poor. That someone is rich today doesn’t mean his children are going to be rich tomorrow, his children can still end up being poor or average because of the reasons you have listed which is that lack of knowledge that is disturbing some of them.

As humans our characteristics differs, there are people who are wise enough and they know what to do, they have the knowledge to do that and when they are applying that knowledge it is working for them, while others are lazy or have got to knowledge at all. So someone being rich or poor can be because of one reason or the other.

Well, you've got a very good point. Nobody would work for the poor people's job If everyone makes the same amount of money. Plus, people are forever discontented. So, a lot of us would find something that could produce more money than everybody else, thus those who remains the same would be classified as the poor people, because they haven't done something that could make them earn more money than they usually were.
Another reason for poverty is the poor leadership of corrupt officials seated in the high offices.

Everyone would judge base on the aspect they can derive physical examples from I myself isn't left out in the conglomerate. Poverty can only be lessened, to be eliminated completely isn't realistic enough. For economy to balance there must be the first class citizens, the upper class, the middle class and the lower class citizens. Poverty can be lessened through offering a service to foot medical bills, shelter, feeding, education and basic home needs. Through education poverty can be lessened.

The government isn't the only one who needs to eliminate the risk factors involved in poverty by controlling the boundaries between the first class and lower class citizens. It is a mindset of both individuals in the two classes to derive a helping hand to reduce it.

Its exceptionally imperative and wide tiopic,As per my information its conceivable destitution can dispense with from the world on the off chance that World humanitarion organistion,Developed nations and Extremely rich person worth commerce proprietors truly take action,But tragically no one can genuine take it.One side Elon Musk spend Billions of dollars on mars and other side in africa numerous individuals misplaced their lives due to hunger.I think our planet require consideration from all extremely rich people not mars,Still african and asian nations individuals live underneath destitution line and require consideration from individuals who spend Billions on fair their life fashion.

Main reason on why people do really migrate out on other places due to this very reason where they do tend to earn more via means of difference when it comes to monetary value compared to other
countries which means they could earn more than that they can earn if they do stay locally and this is the sad fact.It is just normal for a person to find up ways on where he can really
able to earn money the most but in talks about poverty then this isnt something that can really be solved out completely.There's always an inequality when it comes to life standard or situation.
Some would be earning decent and some wont really have any jobs due to incompetence's or lack or sufficient in all sorts.

I looked at the list of countries with the most prosperous population in the world and Canada was in the top position then the average income of the population reached 6000CAD / month and the cost of living there ranged from 1300-300cad depending on each person.
So it seems that it is equal and equal to people in poor countries where they can also save the rest of their money but in less amount and the cost of living there is lower of course you can but there will always be a social level.

Life is not going to be balance and for sure the economy would crash. There will be a shortage on the supply of basic goods and daily needs and etc. because no one will work for it. Who would work for rich people if everyone are rich? Simply no one. Ain't gonna work for anyone if I am rich.

So, we just need to accept that poverty is part of our economy. We can somehow lessen it but it can't be totally eliminated.

We have everything we need, the technology and the knowledge have increased and there are various studies and philosophies about life and living, but unfortunately it can'r resolve and it will never resolve equality, we are created to be this way his time immorial there are rich people and there are poor people and will continue to be this way, because there is now way and no fix.

The newer generations never saw that profit and that is why they are getting a bit more leftist, if you look at who 2000+ born people vote for, you will see that they are not communists, they are just not capitalist at all, they just want a capitalist world with high taxes and regulations, they know it could happen, we do not need to become Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, china, just because someone is leftist doesn't mean that they support those ideas, it just means take any capitalist country in the world, like usa, and put high taxes on people making 1+ million dollars a year, and have regulations on how corporations can't abuse their workers that's it.

Seriously just those two things would be more than enough, rest could stay the same, and if you think "people who profit 1+ million dollars a year should pay more taxes" will suddenly turn into china, you are an idiot. So newer generations are getting there, I am hopeful.

I don't see this happening despite the efforts of a few to help others.

There are a lot of poor people(PP) compare to rich people(RP). While there are instances that we can blame PP for being poor, most of them are because there are a lot of RP taking advantage of these PP. How can these PP rise, if there are a lot of RP boosting themselves up while pushing those PP under them further below?

There are a lot of proofs, just consider the employment here in our country that even a waiter or a sales lady's job requirement is too much for the said job. While their requirement is so high, the pay grade is not even comparable to the said requirement. This is the world we are living in, as RPs will keep their stumping their feet on the ground while those PPs will keep on persevering on that same ground.

Well.. I would prefer a decentralized system (such as the one they have in Switzerland) to the centralized government (which is prevalent in countries such as the United States). It would mean demographic groups that doesn't have large populations can take part in policy-making decisions. In centralized government systems, minority groups are always ignored and their voices are not heard.

It is possible now only when there are no governments and money is no longer inflationary and debt. BTC and other forms of wealth transfer are just the beginning of the new technological paradigm. We are very fortunate to be living in a failed system that destroys itself over time. The transition will remain tough for most people unrelated to crypto until its use is normalized for day-to-day use.

I think it can be happen in the future, it seems that it will happen because when technology become more advance then we as human can maximalize earth resources. When all sectors of industry produce maximum output then the supply will be enough for all people. The example is the internet, before there is no internet people didn't easily communicate like nowadays. I think we can use that analogy, so technology help people to fulfill their necessities easier. We can also look at bitcoin which improve economy of many people around the world.