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Quote from: Kez1817 on March 09, 2021, 03:30:28 PM

How can all be rich? How can all be poor? Everything need to be balance. If all people are rich, who will do other works that only poor people can do? That's why it's impossible without poverty because that is already a part of society and economy since the beginning. Sometimes, even people strive more to become rich but at the end still useless and remained poor. Sometimes we think that life is unfair but that is the reality, there is rich, middle class, poor and poorest among the poor, we can't change it.

Logically right, who will fixed your toilet bowl if all the people around you have the same richness that you have.

you always need to have someone who are capable or willing to deal with that, sad to say that it was the poor

who are willing to take that responsibilities, in the other side, who will start a business if all doesn't have

enough money to capitalize? and then, there's the rich people who are going to deal with it. Life is not unfair

as we are always capable in working it out enriching our opportunities in life.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 03, 2021, 04:29:32 AM

In world, there is hierarchy, that is why some people are rich, some are average, some are not that rich but still having good living some are poor, while the poor still look at some and still appreciate life because they are poorer. I am beginning to thinking laziness can be the result of some people not having good living, while some is purely due to ignorant an lack of knowledge and exposure, some even only lack information.

I am thinking with how people is, is there a way possible for everyone to live without being poor, though their can be hierarchy but in a way no one is poor? But I am thinking it is not possible. If anything happens today that the poor are richer and got richer than the rich people, the rich people will become poor too because life is not just balance.

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

Many countries have tried that but it's impossible to do that, communist countries like North Korea and other ultra communist countries have tried to establish a society that has no poor but all their attempt prove futile only those in power are the ones living in luxurious and the people ended up a slave, people are not equal in their desires and skills and those who are working the most deserve to reap their rewards.

The government's efforts and social settings do not help the poor, it just helps the bad guys take advantage of more opportunities to make black money, this society and world since we were born, it did not exist justice, power and riches only belong to the strong, the weak can also overcome this wall with effort but in the end, wealth will make individuals change in personality. The rich will never want them to be poor, they just focus on the luxurious life, and want such a life, part of the human being will be forced to be poor to become a springboard.

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this is just my opinion,
I think it's impossible because it will cause a looping.
if there's no poverty in this world, then the "buying power" from people is high in quantity and quality.
supply and demand.
let say you want to buy X. X supply is limited.
no poverty means, more people will be qualified to buy X.
it will cause the price of X will increase since the supply is limited.
when the price is higher and higher, people can't afford to buy X, until they find other alternatives.
what if X is food, your daily needs / basic needs?
what if there's no alternative?

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Obviously that can never happen because in human life there must be both rich and poor and that isa fact that exists in our daily lives and I think we all wish we could reduce the poverty around us but it might be difficult to realize that in almost every country there must be a lot of poverty Have we ever had an increase or decrease because it was either fate or fate that we might have to pass through whether this has become our destiny as humans and we have to live it and it all depends on us how to live this life

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 03, 2021, 04:29:32 AM

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

Let's understand how is a poor defined first. It is defined by someone who has fewer resources and money as compared to others who live near him.

Consider this example:

My uncle has a car and anyone who doesn't have one is poor for them.

I don't have a car but because I have a bike so anyone who doesn't have a bike is poor to me.

This goes on and the basic thing I wanted to touch with the comparison is that no one is poor or rich unless you are comparing them with someone else. I would say anyone who has food, shelter, and basic needs isn't poor and there is no need for the rich to give anything to them.

If you remove poverty and everyone is living the same life, there will be no competition in the world. It's similar to how if all the students in a school are given the same marks, then how do you expect them to work harder.

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How can all be rich? How can all be poor? Everything need to be balance. If all people are rich, who will do other works that only poor people can do? That's why it's impossible without poverty because that is already a part of society and economy since the beginning. Sometimes, even people strive more to become rich but at the end still useless and remained poor. Sometimes we think that life is unfair but that is the reality, there is rich, middle class, poor and poorest among the poor, we can't change it.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 03, 2021, 04:29:32 AM

In world, there is hierarchy, that is why some people are rich, some are average, some are not that rich but still having good living some are poor, while the poor still look at some and still appreciate life because they are poorer. I am beginning to thinking laziness can be the result of some people not having good living, while some is purely due to ignorant an lack of knowledge and exposure, some even only lack information.

I am thinking with how people is, is there a way possible for everyone to live without being poor, though their can be hierarchy but in a way no one is poor? But I am thinking it is not possible. If anything happens today that the poor are richer and got richer than the rich people, the rich people will become poor too because life is not just balance.

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

There's no other way that the people can live all rich because at the end of the day, the world still have hierarchy in which in order to be balance there must be poor and there must be rich. I've remember what my professor said way back when I am in junior high school that if you born poor and you ended up in a poor family and until you grow, you didn't change your economically status then it is your problem because there are so many ways that you can do in order to be rich but you didn't do it. Life is really unfair, the rich people are the ones who are getting richer and richer.

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The story has repeatedly showed vivid examples of socialism, where the goal is the equality of people, but as it turned out in the socialist country, people were slaves, but the rich only in the government. In addition, rich and poor will always exist even because one can work more and learn better, but to lazy to be lazy and lazy once again.

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Quote from: tyz on March 09, 2021, 11:46:55 AM

Quote from: Oshosondy on March 03, 2021, 04:29:32 AM

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

No, because poverty is always relative. In some countries people are poor with $30 monthly budget, in others with $1500. This alone shows that poverty is always relative to wealth and wealth is versatile. I don't believe that there will ever be a world in which there is no poverty, that is just an illusion. There have been attempts (socialism, communism) that have tried exactly that and failed miserably. In the end, all were poor Cheesy

It may be impossible to eradicate poverty. But extreme poverty (people earning less than $2 per day) can be eradicated and many of the countries (such as China and Vietnam) have made great strides in this regard. Extreme poverty is now present only in a few African and a small number of Asian nations. And even there compared to what we had in the 1970s and 1980s, the rates are much lower.

So a lot of progress has been made over the years. But still a lot needs to be done. And in some rare scenarios, poverty levels have actually increased in some of the countries. Examples are Libya, Tajikistan, Venezuela, Zimbabwe.etc.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 03, 2021, 04:29:32 AM

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

No, because poverty is always relative. In some countries people are poor with $30 monthly budget, in others with $1500. This alone shows that poverty is always relative to wealth and wealth is versatile. I don't believe that there will ever be a world in which there is no poverty, that is just an illusion. There have been attempts (socialism, communism) that have tried exactly that and failed miserably. In the end, all were poor Cheesy

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Poverty stems from many factors such as prolonged difficult circumstances, unfavorable weather for cultivation, people's qualifications unsuitable for high-income jobs, exploitation of capitalism, bad events (debts, crashes, fatal illnesses) in a person's or family's life ...

I think there is a reason for human poverty and it occurs anywhere in the world. Only using charity funds to help people, people need to know how to share their wealth to help others. The world could be a better place if everyone could help each other.

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A person is poor because of some reasons like it was passed to them from previous generation, he/she chose to, lazy, vicious, bad habits, with supersticious belief, abusive, one day millionaire syndrome and most of all undesciplined. All of those factors affects every individual in this world depending on how they are going to live their life and what they wanted to be. It's the mindset that makes what we are. That is why it is impossible to find a way for everyone to be rich and make the world "poor free".

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Poverty have become a part of the societal issues that can never be eliminated since the past era that the world exist for there are already societal differences between people dividing social classes depending upon the capacity and resources they have which is basically classifying into which social class they do belong. Poverty can be lessen but cannot be totally eliminated for the reason that it is not just about money but also power and availability of resources to make them survive and support their daily life necessities on which happened that is taking advantage by higher social classes making poverty be a remaining issue unresolved for people are more likely familiar and contented into the concept and boundaries between the rich and the poor.

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I think that is possible if those in top are not greedy and not fighting each other for the name of title. Poverty may solve if the economic system will be fix, in my country all the price of products, foods, needs in everyday life are increasing but the salary of an employer is still the same and the deduction for tax and etc is increasing.

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Quote from: Negotiation on March 07, 2021, 10:07:34 PM

China is really a developing country poverty can be alleviated if other countries like china help in this way there is no such step in our country while the government helps the poor it does not reach the poor for political leaders. The government must take strict action and try to improve the living standards of the people living below the poverty line.

The approach taken by the Chinese government is the best. But it can't be implemented in the democratic nations. Because the people are more focused on short-term benefits and if a certain political party refuse to provide subsidies and freebies, then the voters will make sure that the lose the elections. The Chinese regime doesn't have to worry about the elections, and therefore they went ahead with their policies.

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Quote from: iv4n on March 07, 2021, 02:26:10 AM

We see a guy in a nice car, director of the bank, and we respect him! Even though he is a zero man, and he is stealing our money, he makes bad investments, but he gets his bonuses anyway!
But we don't have respect for people who collect garbage, and clean toilets... and without them, we would live in shit! Literally!

This system can't work without poverty, without wars (mostly imaginary)... it's how they keep us down! If you don't wish to do something that is not moral, ethical... they will tell you "if you don't do it, someone else will!", they tell you "if you talk too much we can remove you from the picture!"! Already been done so many times, and you know that system is capable of doing monstrous things, some people are ready for money to do anything...

Unfortunately as long as we have poor people defending rich people for a possibility that poor person could become rich one day, we will not fix anything.

In all nations there are people who are in poverty that vote for the rich people, and that is the main problem, nobody wants to vote for a "I am not rich, you are not rich, lets tax the rich and have no poverty!!" person, they want to vote for the "we are rich, you are rich, we are all awesome!!!" person because human nature is based on being hyped and pumped up, so when a politician say that you are doing okay, you vote for him, and when they say that you are doing horrible and they can fix it, people decline being horrible.

I guess that is changing slowly and gradually but I feel like there is at least few more decades before we are 100% convinced that helping the poor is more important than helping the CEO's of the world.

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Everything has it purpose even those who are at the bottom. I believe God created this world in balance where those who strive more will gain more. However, I also know that some even in their very best still gain less in compare with their works.

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Read this text severally before I comprehend the message now, shall the mentality can't be destroyed easily because of new innovation of life living, previously people don't think or taught of poverty because not like Rich's and poverty, what really in existence is hard working and protection via unknown spirit's that attacks humans, but now people mindset is enrichment, and then country leaders were leading without enough fund's.

I want to really understand your side but the way you posted this one got me baffled on whether you directly did a machine translation of your native language because I can't put two and two with your combination of words and phrases. Why is there is a spirit involved in destroying the mentality that I have mentioned? Does God or the spirit realm care that we destroy that mentality?

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Quote from: Sayeds56 on March 07, 2021, 08:58:54 PM

Your thoughts of eliminating poverty from this world are really appreciated. I share your concerns and even I have been struggling hard to at least eliminate poverty from my family and people I know well by teaching them skills to make money online specially I strongly believe in empowering women by teaching them skill to earn money and become economically independent.

Coming back to your question. I think there many ways to reduce poverty provided there is Political will from Governments and CHINA is a good example. China has successfully reduced poverty by providing jobs to Millions of its peop0le during the past Decade.

China did the right thing, by focusing on the long-term vision. Most of the governments around the world looks only at short term. They believe that giving freebies and handouts to the poor will win them votes and stop them from complaining about their poverty. But this is just a temporary solution. Once the handouts are used up, these people will demand even more freebies and that makes them enslaved to their political masters. And at the same time there will be no actual improvement in their lives.

China removed most of the regulations and red tape, so that new jobs can be created. It worked well in the end. Companies are ready to pay higher wages to workers in China, as they don't have to worry much about the bureaucracy and corruption. In countries such as India and Indonesia, the wages may be low. But the companies don't want to go there because they don't want to deal with the corrupt bureaucrats.

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China is really a developing country poverty can be alleviated if other countries like china help in this way there is no such step in our country while the government helps the poor it does not reach the poor for political leaders. The government must take strict action and try to improve the living standards of the people living below the poverty line.

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