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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on April 19, 2023, 05:07:24 PM

The issue of cubbing gambling addiction in our society is not a find that requires muscle or some strict rules or something, the fight against gambling addiction is strategic, it requires good strategy, else, it will always be a wasted effort, because I know for sure that it doesn't matter the kind of low the government implemented, whoever wants to gamble will still gamble and can also on the process become addicted if he or she is a careless gambler.

It would be a never ending demand and you are right that this industry isnt really that getting smaller but rather going the opposite which means that players numbers are getting more bigger.This is
somewhat pertains into those people who are really that wants to play no matter what. Its true that if it would be banned or be restricted then there are lots of ways on which someone could be able to
play no matter what. They might be able to block a single path but the other paths is something that wont really be putting up some focused which means
that it would be a wasted effort in the end of the day.

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Quote from: Quidat on April 19, 2023, 04:54:00 PM

Quote from: darewaller on April 19, 2023, 02:23:40 PM

Quote from: Strongkored on April 14, 2023, 01:03:08 AM

Isn't the ban only on the front of the player's costume? meaning that it can still be included in other parts such as the arm or the back and also this regulation will take effect in 2026/2027 meaning that there will still be plenty of time for clubs and sponsors to determine the steps for this ban. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12856367/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-withdraw-gambling-sponsorships-on-front-of-shirts
But is it possible to reduce people from gambling? I don't think so because they will still get information from many things, and the old match videos that are still circulating will also allow many people to see the sponsors of the gambling site.
Of every step taken to reduce gambling, it will not work 100% perfectly unless the government or the internet shuts down permanently, although they can still gamble at offline casinos or bet with friends when matches are held.

It's kinda useless if it works like that. It will be better to not remove it if they can't remove the other. To see gamblers increase is not a bad thing but this can also be healthy. Government or the economy of ones country can benefit with it, then the club or the sports players can also benefit through sponsorships of gambling companies. This was just give and take. What is bad is if most of the gamblers are now addicted.

The most effective way to reduce people from gambling is by banning gambling on that country. Any forms of it including offline. The government can also do a campaign that someone will be rewarded if they will report the people who tries to gamble secretly.

We know that there's always a criticism in towards on the other side of things without even trying to look out the other benefits or pros which is something that needs to be considered out.
Its understandable that protecting people from addiction is something that must do but in todays era where exposure and social media is really that rampant then there's no way
that you would be able to avoid on not to see these particular things.

Its up to them on which one do weighs more when it comes to their goal and potential aim or targets whether they would come after for revenue or would really be that serious
on protecting people on being getting addicted.

The issue of cubbing gambling addiction in our society is not a find that requires muscle or some strict rules or something, the fight against gambling addiction is strategic, it requires good strategy, else, it will always be a wasted effort, because I know for sure that it doesn't matter the kind of low the government implemented, whoever wants to gamble will still gamble and can also on the process become addicted if he or she is a careless gambler.

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Quote from: darewaller on April 19, 2023, 02:23:40 PM

Quote from: Strongkored on April 14, 2023, 01:03:08 AM

Isn't the ban only on the front of the player's costume? meaning that it can still be included in other parts such as the arm or the back and also this regulation will take effect in 2026/2027 meaning that there will still be plenty of time for clubs and sponsors to determine the steps for this ban. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12856367/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-withdraw-gambling-sponsorships-on-front-of-shirts
But is it possible to reduce people from gambling? I don't think so because they will still get information from many things, and the old match videos that are still circulating will also allow many people to see the sponsors of the gambling site.
Of every step taken to reduce gambling, it will not work 100% perfectly unless the government or the internet shuts down permanently, although they can still gamble at offline casinos or bet with friends when matches are held.

It's kinda useless if it works like that. It will be better to not remove it if they can't remove the other. To see gamblers increase is not a bad thing but this can also be healthy. Government or the economy of ones country can benefit with it, then the club or the sports players can also benefit through sponsorships of gambling companies. This was just give and take. What is bad is if most of the gamblers are now addicted.

The most effective way to reduce people from gambling is by banning gambling on that country. Any forms of it including offline. The government can also do a campaign that someone will be rewarded if they will report the people who tries to gamble secretly.

We know that there's always a criticism in towards on the other side of things without even trying to look out the other benefits or pros which is something that needs to be considered out.
Its understandable that protecting people from addiction is something that must do but in todays era where exposure and social media is really that rampant then there's no way
that you would be able to avoid on not to see these particular things.

Its up to them on which one do weighs more when it comes to their goal and potential aim or targets whether they would come after for revenue or would really be that serious
on protecting people on being getting addicted.

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Quote from: Bananington on April 13, 2023, 02:56:23 PM

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The Premier League have confirmed clubs have voluntarily agreed to remove gambling sponsors from the front of their matchday shirts from the start of the 2025/26 season.

This is a move to try to reduce promotion of gambling in the premier league with it's increasing audience, do you think it can successfully reduce the number of people who gamble? What do you think? Will these gambling platforms not just move to other sports, do you think other sports that wear their sponsors name in England will adopt this new development in the premier league?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/premier-league-clubs-to-remove-gambling-sponsors-from-front-of-shirts/ar-AA19Ogeu

It can be possible but it has little effect on the increasing number of gambling.
It is just the front shirt and not the sides, the sponsors will definitely find another means of advertising gambling.
The advertisement can always be done on television stations either before, during or after the match.
And for those that pay ticket to watch the live match at the stadium are much interested in their team to win and not the advertisement.
The increment of gambling does not necessary require advertisement.

I agree with you and this is only about gambling ads which can be advertised through other means and sponsors always have a way to keep advertising gambling sites.
The increase in the number of gamblers or the decrease in the number of gamblers is not because of a shirt that says sponsorship of gambling, it is just an advertisement that has no effect on increasing or decreasing the number of gamblers.
I think that the increasing sophistication of this technology has led to an increase in the number of gamblers because it will be very easy for everyone to access gambling.
One reason that can reduce the number of gamblers is only one, there is no internet.

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Quote from: darewaller on April 19, 2023, 01:38:10 PM

Quote from: mv1986 on April 17, 2023, 11:16:48 PM

It is also difficult to tell and measure whether removing advertisements from certain locations has an impact on gambling activities. The industry is booming so much that these companies have endless cash to promote their services anyway. If it is not in soccer, it is in other places.

It does have an impact because ads are so powerful and it can make someone curious to try and later on be hooked on it. Soccer is a popular game and almost everyone watches it so removing it will hurt the gambling company.

The industry is booming and those who are on top are benefiting already but starters will have a hard time to catch up and they only have limited cash so they must use it wisely. If not and then they don't get the result they wanted, it will be game over for them. Only big gambling companies are so far can avail promotions on soccer leagues due to the expensive it cost but you're right that there are still other places which are also more affordable to advertise their brand.

I get what you are saying but do you think that an advertisement on the jersey of a soccer team on the front is worse or advertisements scattered all over the Internet with catchy banners left, right and center on your screen? Or online advertisements on Youtube when celebrities talk to you about how amazing BWIN is or one of the other sports betting providers? As soon as you like some sport or even a lot of it and you do some searches on backgrounds because you are interested in watching game, you probably come across a dozen offers for bonuses to join a certain platform right now and start your journey.

Advertisements on places like a jersey of a soccer team further legitimizes it and may perhaps reduce the perceived risk factor, but the real deal of advertising happens on the Internet anyway in an almost unstoppable manner.

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Quote from: Strongkored on April 14, 2023, 01:03:08 AM

Isn't the ban only on the front of the player's costume? meaning that it can still be included in other parts such as the arm or the back and also this regulation will take effect in 2026/2027 meaning that there will still be plenty of time for clubs and sponsors to determine the steps for this ban. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12856367/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-withdraw-gambling-sponsorships-on-front-of-shirts
But is it possible to reduce people from gambling? I don't think so because they will still get information from many things, and the old match videos that are still circulating will also allow many people to see the sponsors of the gambling site.
Of every step taken to reduce gambling, it will not work 100% perfectly unless the government or the internet shuts down permanently, although they can still gamble at offline casinos or bet with friends when matches are held.

It's kinda useless if it works like that. It will be better to not remove it if they can't remove the other. To see gamblers increase is not a bad thing but this can also be healthy. Government or the economy of ones country can benefit with it, then the club or the sports players can also benefit through sponsorships of gambling companies. This was just give and take. What is bad is if most of the gamblers are now addicted.

The most effective way to reduce people from gambling is by banning gambling on that country. Any forms of it including offline. The government can also do a campaign that someone will be rewarded if they will report the people who tries to gamble secretly.

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Quote from: Bananington on April 13, 2023, 02:56:23 PM

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The Premier League have confirmed clubs have voluntarily agreed to remove gambling sponsors from the front of their matchday shirts from the start of the 2025/26 season.

This is a move to try to reduce promotion of gambling in the premier league with it's increasing audience, do you think it can successfully reduce the number of people who gamble? What do you think? Will these gambling platforms not just move to other sports, do you think other sports that wear their sponsors name in England will adopt this new development in the premier league?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/premier-league-clubs-to-remove-gambling-sponsors-from-front-of-shirts/ar-AA19Ogeu

It can be possible but it has little effect on the increasing number of gambling.
It is just the front shirt and not the sides, the sponsors will definitely find another means of advertising gambling.
The advertisement can always be done on television stations either before, during or after the match.
And for those that pay ticket to watch the live match at the stadium are much interested in their team to win and not the advertisement.
The increment of gambling does not necessary require advertisement.

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Quote from: mv1986 on April 17, 2023, 11:16:48 PM

It is also difficult to tell and measure whether removing advertisements from certain locations has an impact on gambling activities. The industry is booming so much that these companies have endless cash to promote their services anyway. If it is not in soccer, it is in other places.

It does have an impact because ads are so powerful and it can make someone curious to try and later on be hooked on it. Soccer is a popular game and almost everyone watches it so removing it will hurt the gambling company.

The industry is booming and those who are on top are benefiting already but starters will have a hard time to catch up and they only have limited cash so they must use it wisely. If not and then they don't get the result they wanted, it will be game over for them. Only big gambling companies are so far can avail promotions on soccer leagues due to the expensive it cost but you're right that there are still other places which are also more affordable to advertise their brand.

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Football isn't the only a way to attract people to gamble, you forget there are many sports don't have strict rule about gambling and they're free to open any casino who want to rent a space in their sports. With this new announcement, I don't think an old gambler will stop gamble, they will keep gamble since their country allow to gamble and there's no problem for them.

True that, gambling had already set its foothold on every corner of the world. This action stated by @OP won't have any effect on how gambling spreads since gambling platform is scattered everywhere. There are lots of gambling advertisements on mobile apps and websites even minors and toddlers are being reached by these gambling advertisements. Unless the total banned of advertisements on all platforms is done, I don't think this small prevention stated by @OP will have an effect on gambling adoption.

A gambler will always remain a gambler, nothing can change it except for a gambler that has lost it and may require help to get his self together, there is nothing they can do to change casino and bookmakers on the sport, half of the people that watch match gamble and some of them don't do it becuase they are trying to make a living but they are doing it becasue they enjpoyed it and love football. I think some of this sportbooks and casinos also sponsored football, what will happened to those fund they received from them, they can't deny that those fund has not been helpful, they should limit it instead of trying to stop them completely.

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 19, 2023, 05:56:10 AM

Quote from: noorman0 on April 17, 2023, 11:41:03 PM

It would do some good to suppress the visibility of some casino brands, but would not discourage all forms of gambling as there is plenty of free advertising space on every side of the stadium and even outside. What I do know, football is the country's most popular means of entertainment, betting on favorite clubs is almost on the agenda of spectators throughout the league season.

I don't really think that we are in an era where there are free advertising spaces available within or outside any stadium, especially football stadiums unless your advertisement is written on a small banner that you have multiple prints of and you just fix them on walls everywhere, that's how you can do free advertisement, and I'm not even sure if that's legal in every country.

And about the advertisements on the t-shirts of the players, that actually makes a lot of influence and a free advertisement wouldn't do that magic. People who are fans of certain players or clubs tend to follow what they do or promote, so it probably does make a difference if they promote something or if they don't.

even though there are no free ads anywhere, gambling can afford to pay for every ad that is displayed anywhere, such as ads on Google.
so gambling will always try to advertise their site in various places even though it's not free, the most important thing is that gambling sites can be known and seen by the public.
if advertising on soccer player shirts is banned there are plenty of other places for gamblers to share their ads.

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Quote from: Bananington on April 13, 2023, 02:56:23 PM

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The Premier League have confirmed clubs have voluntarily agreed to remove gambling sponsors from the front of their matchday shirts from the start of the 2025/26 season.

This is a move to try to reduce promotion of gambling in the premier league with it's increasing audience, do you think it can successfully reduce the number of people who gamble? What do you think? Will these gambling platforms not just move to other sports, do you think other sports that wear their sponsors name in England will adopt this new development in the premier league?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/premier-league-clubs-to-remove-gambling-sponsors-from-front-of-shirts/ar-AA19Ogeu

It is not the sponsors but the gamblers that should be controlled if the management aims to reduce the individuals who would bet on the tournament. Even if the names of the gambling platforms are not on the players' shirt, if those sites are already known, their players would automatically engage with betting especially if they are into that particular sport. Some gamblers are not even that interested with the platform that they are playing with, they are just into the games being offered, bonuses, and rewards. Not seeing the names of their platform would less likely lessen the number of bettors. The number of gamblers would more likely decrease only if there will be further restrictions on the gambling sites' overall accessibility.

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Quote from: noorman0 on April 17, 2023, 11:41:03 PM

It would do some good to suppress the visibility of some casino brands, but would not discourage all forms of gambling as there is plenty of free advertising space on every side of the stadium and even outside. What I do know, football is the country's most popular means of entertainment, betting on favorite clubs is almost on the agenda of spectators throughout the league season.

I don't really think that we are in an era where there are free advertising spaces available within or outside any stadium, especially football stadiums unless your advertisement is written on a small banner that you have multiple prints of and you just fix them on walls everywhere, that's how you can do free advertisement, and I'm not even sure if that's legal in every country.

And about the advertisements on the t-shirts of the players, that actually makes a lot of influence and a free advertisement wouldn't do that magic. People who are fans of certain players or clubs tend to follow what they do or promote, so it probably does make a difference if they promote something or if they don't.

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Quote from: noorman0 on April 17, 2023, 11:41:03 PM

It would do some good to suppress the visibility of some casino brands, but would not discourage all forms of gambling as there is plenty of free advertising space on every side of the stadium and even outside. What I do know, football is the country's most popular means of entertainment, betting on favorite clubs is almost on the agenda of spectators throughout the league season.

We know that there are lots of mediums on which advertising or exposure could really be that possible.If its banned nor prohibited with those tshirt prints or banners on certain big leagues then companies would really
be looking or tending to find for another places on which they could be able to advertise. Dont know on whats the reason if they would really be blocking it out because if they do really focus about gambling addiction and exposure in younger audiences then so be it but companies or platforms wont really be stopping in speaking about marketing. They would really be finding ways for them do be able to
continue about their exposure even on different means.

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It would do some good to suppress the visibility of some casino brands, but would not discourage all forms of gambling as there is plenty of free advertising space on every side of the stadium and even outside. What I do know, football is the country's most popular means of entertainment, betting on favorite clubs is almost on the agenda of spectators throughout the league season.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on April 13, 2023, 04:32:18 PM

This doesn't make any big impact. These are just self consoling plans from the gambling platforms. Throughout the match the light boards around the ground runs different advertisement. Most of the sponsor ads can be seen on the light boards. So, in one way or the other the sponsor ads were visible to the audience.

Very few follow the ads whereas the majority have got their schedule with sports betting. They just gamble on those specific matches. For this reason the audience never look upon the ads and the prime focus will be on the teams and the players.

There is also a lot of politics involved as well. The Premier League is a powerful organization and a good tay payer, so policy makers don't have an interest to be against the Premier League in any way. I think this action is more about a socially acceptable compromise than to fight gambling in general. I also think that these sports betting companies play a vital role in creating revenue for the clubs. There are lists and these days I think between one third to one half are sponsored by sports betting providers. The industry is also so strong these days that I am sure they have intense lobbying going on as well.

It is also difficult to tell and measure whether removing advertisements from certain locations has an impact on gambling activities. The industry is booming so much that these companies have endless cash to promote their services anyway. If it is not in soccer, it is in other places.

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Quote from: Bananington on April 13, 2023, 02:56:23 PM

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The Premier League have confirmed clubs have voluntarily agreed to remove gambling sponsors from the front of their matchday shirts from the start of the 2025/26 season.

This is a move to try to reduce promotion of gambling in the premier league with it's increasing audience, do you think it can successfully reduce the number of people who gamble? What do you think? Will these gambling platforms not just move to other sports, do you think other sports that wear their sponsors name in England will adopt this new development in the premier league?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/premier-league-clubs-to-remove-gambling-sponsors-from-front-of-shirts/ar-AA19Ogeu

This is not going to work, I remember reading once that the best thing that ever happened to companies which sold cigarettes and tobacco was to be banned from most forms of advertising, this is because now they did not needed to spend anything on it and they still sold a huge volume of their products, increasing their profits to very high levels, casinos offer a service which is in high demand and even if they were banned to advertise on every single sport competition around the world i do not think gambling will not get any less popular.

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I have the same stand to the other poster and it confirms that advertising has no only one side instead there are back and left and right.
so while they are agreed in not posting in their front but what about the other angle of the ads?
there are still many banners and videos to be confirmed and that is one thing we must consider to call this as an act of kindness for gamblers.

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Quote from: tusandii on April 16, 2023, 12:43:31 AM

Quote from: Reatim on April 15, 2023, 10:57:17 PM

good catch there mate , though front print is important but we know that Camera Angle nowadays is 360 degrees meaning even in the armpit still the advertisement is visible so there is no really sense this at all.
and talking about premier league? all the biggest banners are all over the place , adding those tv advertisement .
maybe they are just cleaning their hands but gambling and sports are always go together and this is all about money.

Advertisements, promotions, sponsorships are always attached to a team or sports match because so far, a sports match is one match that is always of interest to many people to watch, even almost all people in this world have their own preferences in every existing sporting event.

wrong , not all in the world has ,because there are some that I knew who never have a chance liking any sports or person in sports.

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It's only natural that advertising has succeeded in getting enthusiasm from many people because in advertising a match, the implementing team will do many things to get more viewers.

they will get there , because we are talking about people who love to gamble together with sports.

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It is true that sports and betting are two different options, but they always go hand in hand where every sports match there must be a bet behind it.
Betting in sports cannot be stopped or limited because it has a large enough money circulation, even greater than what is generated in the sporting event.

there is a money in both , gambling and sports so indeed , they are going together everytime .

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I don't think so. Even if they take out all the advertising names in their t-shirts or jerseys, gambling sites ads are all over the dome or the field. What I mean is, there's no escaping it from the eyes of those who really want to put a bet on every game they will watch.
They are just taking out the money that will be received by those who wears it and maybe appeal that it should be brought back. Online gambling sites is a norm now, we cannot stay at our traditional beliefs just because it looks bad.
About the increasing number of gamblers, it will just keep on increasing as every gambling site becomes more accessible especially those who have applications made for phones.

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Quote from: Bananington on April 13, 2023, 02:56:23 PM

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The Premier League have confirmed clubs have voluntarily agreed to remove gambling sponsors from the front of their matchday shirts from the start of the 2025/26 season.

This is a move to try to reduce promotion of gambling in the premier league with it's increasing audience, do you think it can successfully reduce the number of people who gamble? What do you think? Will these gambling platforms not just move to other sports, do you think other sports that wear their sponsors name in England will adopt this new development in the premier league?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/premier-league-clubs-to-remove-gambling-sponsors-from-front-of-shirts/ar-AA19Ogeu

Maybe, but I doubt it will have a noticeable effect on non-gamblers. As I remember, I was not really enticed on gambling because of the ads on the screen. I am influenced by friends and relatives who are gamblers. I bet most of us are like that as well. The real targets of the ads are those gamblers already. Maybe they can get gamblers to switch to their platforms. But I doubt non-gamblers will get enticed to gamble just because they see casino logos on screen or players' shirts.

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