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Quote from: South Park on April 21, 2020, 11:57:50 AM

Unfortunately even if this is the right thing to do it is almost impossible to save money during an event like this since your expenses are going to go up as you buy stuff that you may need in the future just in case things get even worse, this is why it is really important to prepare ourselves beforehand so we are not caught off guard, in my country many jobs have been lost already and we are still far away of the end of the crisis so most people will get even more desperate as they find themselves out of their jobs and there is no possibility to get a new one.

Agree with this. Right now it is almost impossible to save any money. Even here in India (where the impact have been relatively muted), a huge number of people have lost their jobs. On top of that, the prices of essential items have gone up by quite a bit. It is like double whammy. First of all, you have less money available in hand, and secondly your expenses are going up.

This is happening in my country as well and like always the most affected by this are those that have very little as the small amount of money they have buys even less stuff than just a few months ago, this is why I think nothing is going to be the same after this crisis, things are going to change, I hope things change for the better and that people now understand that they cannot plan their finances expecting everything to be fine all the time, they need to have some savings to spare in the case there is some kind of crisis, but I doubt most people will do anything to prepare even after the current crisis is over.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 22, 2020, 07:09:46 AM

Completely agree, what's the reason of paying taxes if they can't help people.

That is a very weak argument and you know it. The government can't send freebies to everyone. Those who are on top of the priority list will get the first preference. And you need to remember that the global economies are under severe recession. The government revenues are down, and there is a limit to what they can do here. And also, they need to spend a lot of their funds to keep the pandemic in check.

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Quote from: peter0425 on April 20, 2020, 10:17:42 AM

actually it is the employees obligation to gather funds for emergency like this and not blaming their employers because they are not giving them money.

disagree, it should be employer obligation to have funds to protect his worker from leave in a case of emergency,

Who told you that?it is our obligation as Employee to provide for our needs and it is not our employers because they are paying us for our works and in time of leave we must have our saved funds because we must be aware that time like this will happen if we are a responsible person.

Quote from: casperBGD on April 21, 2020, 08:07:41 AM

it is a responsible business model,

you have already mentioned that here,it is just to be a MODEL but they are not Obliged to do it because it is their own prerogative .

Quote from: casperBGD on April 21, 2020, 08:07:41 AM

in a way you put it, all employees will be gone during the pandemic, and casino would not be able to open due to lack of workers, when time to open, or they will have to invest money to train new employees,

Of course if that is the only way to fulfill the business needs?then why not re hire others and train them as that?

Quote from: casperBGD on April 21, 2020, 08:07:41 AM

it is the best business model to keep your employees, and protect them during crisis, because in good times you will not share bonuses like crazy, you will make your fund for situations like this

again this is not their obligation mate that is my Point but i never said that Employers must abandoned their employees in this kind of time because i myself is doing some helps now in my own little ways.

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Quote from: KTChampions on April 21, 2020, 03:25:45 PM

Most businesses in the modern world are built on loans. You propose to burn assets (paying salaries to people who do not work and do not bring any profit) to what state of the business? Until complete bankruptcy? Or is there some reasonable point where you should stop and understand that if there is no work then there is no payment for it.

You seem to be knowledgeable enough, until I read this, I did will not realize that what you are saying is true.
Personally I was able to work in a big company in our country having a good position and I there understand that although our company is successful enough but we still have a lot of loans in the bank, and our properties are the collateral of the loan, and I think this is what the businessman are really doing to expand their business fast.

Quote from: KTChampions on April 21, 2020, 03:25:45 PM

The state should solve such global problems, and not business owners.

Completely agree, what's the reason of paying taxes if they can't help people.

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Quote from: South Park on April 21, 2020, 11:57:50 AM

Unfortunately even if this is the right thing to do it is almost impossible to save money during an event like this since your expenses are going to go up as you buy stuff that you may need in the future just in case things get even worse, this is why it is really important to prepare ourselves beforehand so we are not caught off guard, in my country many jobs have been lost already and we are still far away of the end of the crisis so most people will get even more desperate as they find themselves out of their jobs and there is no possibility to get a new one.

Why will you save money "DURING" the pandemic?? You should save your money "BEFORE" an event like this will happen.

This is the problem of most workers out there. In my country, jobs also has been lost and some of the small businesses maybe will close even after this pandemic because of lack of revenue. Here also in my country, less than 50% of the people have banks so what do you expect then. Those who have savings will not be experiencing difficulties that much because they have money to spend in times like this. For those who doesn't have savings then maybe after this crisis they will learn how to save now for the next one.

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Quote from: MCobian on April 19, 2020, 07:32:46 PM

In my opinion, casino owners should pay their employees salaries in difficult situations like now. Because of a crisis like now cooperation
is needed by all parties, it cannot just rely on government assistance. All casinos should, especially in America, be able to pay workers
even though they don't work. Because I believe the benefits gained by casino owners are huge.

Most businesses in the modern world are built on loans. You propose to burn assets (paying salaries to people who do not work and do not bring any profit) to what state of the business? Until complete bankruptcy? Or is there some reasonable point where you should stop and understand that if there is no work then there is no payment for it. The state should solve such global problems, and not business owners.

You are right, they dont really consider on business owners side in regards to that matter where it not really that possible that they should obliged themselves
on supporting their employees in times like these.I wont believe in much though that gambling casino owners are in loan yet this is indeed a big business, there might
be some but most of them do succeed and profitable but i dont see the point that they would be responsible on such aide.This is governments issue or concern
not to business owners.They can donate or help but for some portion and not a permanent one.

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Quote from: MCobian on April 19, 2020, 07:32:46 PM

In my opinion, casino owners should pay their employees salaries in difficult situations like now. Because of a crisis like now cooperation
is needed by all parties, it cannot just rely on government assistance. All casinos should, especially in America, be able to pay workers
even though they don't work. Because I believe the benefits gained by casino owners are huge.

Most businesses in the modern world are built on loans. You propose to burn assets (paying salaries to people who do not work and do not bring any profit) to what state of the business? Until complete bankruptcy? Or is there some reasonable point where you should stop and understand that if there is no work then there is no payment for it. The state should solve such global problems, and not business owners.

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Quote from: desticy on April 20, 2020, 07:23:31 PM

Quote from: verita1 on April 15, 2020, 02:47:29 AM

It is very bad that the employers of the Casinos did not pay their employees. It is inhumane, in such a dire situation that the pandemic has struck, these Casino owners should help the working hand that has made them wealthy. Like all closed businesses today, they are massively laying off their employees. In the midst of all this, I have seen humanitarian aid that they have been sending food to them and also the Trump government has created a plan to send money to Americans in this chaos of Covid19.

Unfortunately this is the face of current capitalism. Around the world, many private organizations refuse to repel forced leave for their employees.
As for me, this perfectly shows the attitude of the organization towards the person who works for it.

Some people at the top don't care what it feels like at the bottom since they already have everything they need. Everything they care about staying at the top. This just shows that some people really don't care about others even in a serious situation, as long as they are doing good.

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Quote from: verita1 on April 15, 2020, 02:47:29 AM

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You got my point. Though it's not worthy for us to debate about this because we all have our own perspective towards the employee-employer situation. Employers don't understand why they are asking for help, it's because they don't have any problem living during the lockdown. But not all employees can afford to live for a month without a source of income.

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Quote from: peter0425 on April 20, 2020, 10:17:42 AM

actually it is the employees obligation to gather funds for emergency like this and not blaming their employers because they are not giving them money.

disagree, it should be employer obligation to have funds to protect his worker from leave in a case of emergency, it is a responsible business model, in a way you put it, all employees will be gone during the pandemic, and casino would not be able to open due to lack of workers, when time to open, or they will have to invest money to train new employees, it is the best business model to keep your employees, and protect them during crisis, because in good times you will not share bonuses like crazy, you will make your fund for situations like this

Every employee or even us is responsible for our own expenses. We still have the responsibility to feed ourselves and our family. But companies should also consider that not everyone is like them. Not every employee can save up for emergencies. Sometimes people's salary is just enough to budget their living expenses. It's a worker's right to receive a benefit and help from their employers during calamity and emergency.

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Quote from: South Park on April 21, 2020, 11:57:50 AM

Unfortunately even if this is the right thing to do it is almost impossible to save money during an event like this since your expenses are going to go up as you buy stuff that you may need in the future just in case things get even worse, this is why it is really important to prepare ourselves beforehand so we are not caught off guard, in my country many jobs have been lost already and we are still far away of the end of the crisis so most people will get even more desperate as they find themselves out of their jobs and there is no possibility to get a new one.

Agree with this. Right now it is almost impossible to save any money. Even here in India (where the impact have been relatively muted), a huge number of people have lost their jobs. On top of that, the prices of essential items have gone up by quite a bit. It is like double whammy. First of all, you have less money available in hand, and secondly your expenses are going up.

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Unfortunately, they are not the only one.
But it's not their fault they are not working, casinos are closed due to governments decisions because of pandemic. So, to my opinion they have the right to compensation and governments should help casinos to pay their employees.

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This is happening all over the world and in all kind of industries, people were not prepared for this kind of event, most of the time it is recommended that people have at least 3 months worth of savings in the case they lose their job but very few people have that kind of money in store and now we are seeing the consequences of this, after just a few weeks of quarantine most people cannot take it anymore and they have to go out and try to get some money risking their health in the process, so while there is nothing we can do at the moment let this be a lesson to everyone out there, we need to have some savings just in case something like this happens again.

Therefore, we should be able to save as much as possible in our finances, I know that in times of crisis like this many are still experiencing the same thing and therefore we should be able to avoid gambling if there is no fixed salary because this pandemic will seem to last long.
At the moment I still have a fixed salary so for other extras I search this forum by gambling or trading anything that makes money in this forum. I will do it to get money for my needs, therefore I will reduce gambling and not too often. during this pandemic.

Unfortunately even if this is the right thing to do it is almost impossible to save money during an event like this since your expenses are going to go up as you buy stuff that you may need in the future just in case things get even worse, this is why it is really important to prepare ourselves beforehand so we are not caught off guard, in my country many jobs have been lost already and we are still far away of the end of the crisis so most people will get even more desperate as they find themselves out of their jobs and there is no possibility to get a new one.

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Quote from: casperBGD on April 21, 2020, 08:07:41 AM

Quote from: peter0425 on April 20, 2020, 10:17:42 AM

actually it is the employees obligation to gather funds for emergency like this and not blaming their employers because they are not giving them money.

disagree, it should be employer obligation to have funds to protect his worker from leave in a case of emergency, it is a responsible business model, in a way you put it, all employees will be gone during the pandemic, and casino would not be able to open due to lack of workers, when time to open, or they will have to invest money to train new employees, it is the best business model to keep your employees, and protect them during crisis, because in good times you will not share bonuses like crazy, you will make your fund for situations like this

It will only be a responsibility if the company are required to give to their employees, and it should be coming from the government order or law.
If there is no order from the government, then the company are in no responsibility providing that.

I'd like to reflect this kind of situation in my country, when we are in calamity, we can apply for a calamity loan to our social security system, it's an agency own by the government and we are a member of it when we are an employed, so we have contributions coming from our salary and bigger part is from our employer, so during calamity, employees will not anymore ask to their employers.

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Quote from: Zeke_23 on April 20, 2020, 11:09:44 AM

It is true, however, how can you obliged an employee to gather funds in this kind of emergency, and what if their salary is only enough to support their daily needs, this will be hard for them. In times like this, employers should at least show that they care about their emplyees who work hard for them.

The employer should have some kind of funds to give to their employees in order for them to help their guys. these employees are now in need of anything they can give them. of course, the first thing they must do is to go to their respective employers to ask for help because they're the ones who can help these guys in their financial problems. they can do like giving them their advanced 13-month pay to somehow survive this pandemic or something like that.

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Quote from: Renampun on April 16, 2020, 06:17:36 PM

Offline casino entrepreneurs surely confused about this...
Paying employee salaries is a worker's obligation according to the wage and labor agreement but the current conditions are different. Workers do not work, as usual, not paying a full salary is the best solution imo.

I agree, depending on the country, some basic money should be given to workers so that they could buy food and necessities. But it's not an obligation of casino owners only. The owners should pay a part but another part should be paid by the government. Where all those taxes go, after all? It's partly to not let people die of hunger in times like these.

I think that a casino (or any other enterprise) should not pay at all during quarantine/state of emergency. This is a force majeure circumstance and here payments must be made by the government - this is its responsibility and duty. And we must not forget that the casino cannot print money from the air (even in emergency cases) and the government can.

I'd rather agree with you because apart from the ability to print money they have funds from taxes, but the governments, they hardly would. Even regular people, like me and you, are saying that governments have many other things to spend their money on, apart from this pandemic, so surely the governments would defend such a viewpoint even more.

I think Sweden came up with a good solution to this problem.

Quote from: https://www.twobirds.com/en/news/articles/2020/sweden/covid-19-guidance-for-employers-in-sweden

As of 16 March 2020, it is also possible for employers to, under certain specific conditions, put employees on publicly funded short-term furlough. This publicly funded short-term furlough enables employers to cut their salary costs by up to 50%, while employees retain up to 90% of their salary.

Simply put, people, while sitting at home, are paid 50% of their salary by their employers and getting another 40% from the government.

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Quote from: peter0425 on April 20, 2020, 10:17:42 AM

actually it is the employees obligation to gather funds for emergency like this and not blaming their employers because they are not giving them money.

disagree, it should be employer obligation to have funds to protect his worker from leave in a case of emergency, it is a responsible business model, in a way you put it, all employees will be gone during the pandemic, and casino would not be able to open due to lack of workers, when time to open, or they will have to invest money to train new employees, it is the best business model to keep your employees, and protect them during crisis, because in good times you will not share bonuses like crazy, you will make your fund for situations like this

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Quote from: desticy on April 20, 2020, 07:23:31 PM

Quote from: verita1 on April 15, 2020, 02:47:29 AM

It is very bad that the employers of the Casinos did not pay their employees. It is inhumane, in such a dire situation that the pandemic has struck, these Casino owners should help the working hand that has made them wealthy. Like all closed businesses today, they are massively laying off their employees. In the midst of all this, I have seen humanitarian aid that they have been sending food to them and also the Trump government has created a plan to send money to Americans in this chaos of Covid19.

Unfortunately this is the face of current capitalism. Around the world, many private organizations refuse to repel forced leave for their employees.
As for me, this perfectly shows the attitude of the organization towards the person who works for it.

We cannot say anything if they did that, and we cannot force them to show kindness to other people. But I am sure that not all of them be like that. There will be a company that will care with their employee, and they will support them. And if we work with them, I think that will help us to survive at this moment because it is hard to find that such a company.

This is a test for everyone both for the employers and the employees. Those kind hearted employers who will pay the salary when none or less work is done by the employees, they will be rewarded by the nature in some form in future. The good deeds never go wasted. It would be better if all of the employers are kind hearted and help their employees.

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Quote from: desticy on April 20, 2020, 07:23:31 PM

Quote from: verita1 on April 15, 2020, 02:47:29 AM

It is very bad that the employers of the Casinos did not pay their employees. It is inhumane, in such a dire situation that the pandemic has struck, these Casino owners should help the working hand that has made them wealthy. Like all closed businesses today, they are massively laying off their employees. In the midst of all this, I have seen humanitarian aid that they have been sending food to them and also the Trump government has created a plan to send money to Americans in this chaos of Covid19.

Unfortunately this is the face of current capitalism. Around the world, many private organizations refuse to repel forced leave for their employees.
As for me, this perfectly shows the attitude of the organization towards the person who works for it.

We cannot say anything if they did that, and we cannot force them to show kindness to other people. But I am sure that not all of them be like that. There will be a company that will care with their employee, and they will support them. And if we work with them, I think that will help us to survive at this moment because it is hard to find that such a company.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on April 21, 2020, 01:57:08 AM

This is understandable, from different parts of the world there is surely a lot of people who are not working and that means no cash flow, you might be lucky if your employer implements a work from home but if not then that sucks,

I'm pretty sure that government has alloted a fund for crisis like this, and businesses should not just consider themselves having no cashflow inside of the company, but there is a responsibility for the government to convince businesses to provide salary in advance even if the employees aren't working to help them and support them with their living. But the problem here isn't the cashflow and business, there are some instances that some business outsource their services, in return, even if the company has the capability to provide salary, they are forced to deliver the services so people are tasked to work from home such as those that are in the call centers.

Quote from: Lorence.xD on April 21, 2020, 01:57:08 AM

the good thing about it though is that government and private sector alike are doing their part in giving relief for their employees through finance stimulus and such. The sad thing about this is that it is a temporary fix to a problem that gets worse overtime, maybe increasing the effort in ending this pandemic is still the best bet (No pun intended).

The Government I can say is competent and knows how things work out but sometimes, the problem are the LGU's (Local Government Unit), specifically corrupts LGU's that aren't delivering the funds to the people.

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This is understandable, from different parts of the world there is surely a lot of people who are not working and that means no cash flow, you might be lucky if your employer implements a work from home but if not then that sucks, the good thing about it though is that government and private sector alike are doing their part in giving relief for their employees through finance stimulus and such. The sad thing about this is that it is a temporary fix to a problem that gets worse overtime, maybe increasing the effort in ending this pandemic is still the best bet (No pun intended).

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Quote from: desticy on April 20, 2020, 07:23:31 PM

Quote from: verita1 on April 15, 2020, 02:47:29 AM

It is very bad that the employers of the Casinos did not pay their employees. It is inhumane, in such a dire situation that the pandemic has struck, these Casino owners should help the working hand that has made them wealthy. Like all closed businesses today, they are massively laying off their employees. In the midst of all this, I have seen humanitarian aid that they have been sending food to them and also the Trump government has created a plan to send money to Americans in this chaos of Covid19.

Unfortunately this is the face of current capitalism. Around the world, many private organizations refuse to repel forced leave for their employees.
As for me, this perfectly shows the attitude of the organization towards the person who works for it.

Its really frustrating. A lot here said that it is not the companies responsibility, but I think it is. They need to ensure that the employees who just worked for them for years will be able to survive this pandemic so they can be back working for them again. They are the heart of the casino. Billionaires employers should care for them. The 2 weeks compensation they just received after the March lockdown won't be enough if this continues for months.

I can understand that some employees have safety nets but they should also consider that not anyone can save just because they can't, we all have different circumastances. The lockdown is over a month now. Bills are piling up and soon, their savings will be used too. Its not only in the gaming industry, but applicable to all industry.

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