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Quote from: Betwrong on April 19, 2020, 07:36:50 AM

Quote from: Renampun on April 16, 2020, 05:17:36 PM

Offline casino entrepreneurs surely confused about this...
Paying employee salaries is a worker's obligation according to the wage and labor agreement but the current conditions are different. Workers do not work, as usual, not paying a full salary is the best solution imo.

I agree, depending on the country, some basic money should be given to workers so that they could buy food and necessities. But it's not an obligation of casino owners only. The owners should pay a part but another part should be paid by the government. Where all those taxes go, after all? It's partly to not let people die of hunger in times like these.

I think that a casino (or any other enterprise) should not pay at all during quarantine/state of emergency. This is a force majeure circumstance and here payments must be made by the government - this is its responsibility and duty. And we must not forget that the casino cannot print money from the air (even in emergency cases) and the government can.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 18, 2020, 04:09:44 AM

I'm sorry but we are not in haven and casino workers are not angels. they have their own problems and ofc they need the salary. like everyone in the world they have family, friends and kids to feed them. while you expect them to don't ask for salary how they must eat? and how they must live? This a task for every government to support people.

This really boils down to the capability of each country to provide the basic necessity to it's citizen. Per experience, here in our place the government declares that they will only help the poorest of the poor since we have limited funds and they are also calling all of the elites to help in their own way. While i saw a vlog in the UK, the vlogger which is an employee of a university, he said that their government is refunding 80% of their salary while they are on a shutdown. Bottom line, help from the government is mandatory but varies on the capabilities also of that government. There are rich government while many also are poor.

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Quote from: Renampun on April 16, 2020, 05:17:36 PM

Offline casino entrepreneurs surely confused about this...
Paying employee salaries is a worker's obligation according to the wage and labor agreement but the current conditions are different. Workers do not work, as usual, not paying a full salary is the best solution imo.

I agree, depending on the country, some basic money should be given to workers so that they could buy food and necessities. But it's not an obligation of casino owners only. The owners should pay a part but another part should be paid by the government. Where all those taxes go, after all? It's partly to not let people die of hunger in times like these.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on April 18, 2020, 04:39:18 AM

Quote from: angrybirdy on April 18, 2020, 02:23:07 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 18, 2020, 12:49:55 AM

This is how business work!

They utilise an employee when they needed them the most and when these employee need the business to help them they just ignore them or throw them out.

As a human being this sounds bad but this is the truth. We need to live with it.

Yes, business as usual even in times like this when pandemic hit the world. This kind of business is only concerned with how they can earn more and they don't even have the slightest care about the one who is working with them.

Yes, maybe we need to find another job after this pandemic over, and we don't have to go back to them again if we feel they ignore the employee. At least, they can give some support for their employee so that the employee can feel better. I am sure that we can get another job because after it's over, many businesses will need to restart their business so they can operate as usual.

If we receive that kind of treatment, we might think of leaving the company. But it is said in the article that some casino employers are giving their workers their "closing pay" forcing them to file unemployment. Which is kinda sad since they need the money more in this situation. But after this virus, instead of going back to work, they have no choice but to find another job.

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Quote from: btc78 on April 18, 2020, 04:43:04 AM

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I'm talking about the workers ofc as I wrote above clearly. because we all know in any bad situation like this the most venerable people are workers not the owners. The owner should collecting savings for these days ofc. But, what if they didn't? the worker should pay for it? I believe in this case government should help the workers. We can't blame workers for because of their CEO/manager didn't save any thing for these days.

Quote from: btc78 on April 18, 2020, 04:43:04 AM

who told you that this is government task to support people

That's why I pay tax!

Yes, we have taxpayers' money that the government is using right now. In my country, they tend to prioritize the poorest of the poorest. So we don't expect that much, that we can get so much help from the government just because we are paying tax.

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Quote from: btc78 on April 18, 2020, 04:43:04 AM

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I'm talking about the workers ofc as I wrote above clearly. because we all know in any bad situation like this the most venerable people are workers not the owners. The owner should collecting savings for these days ofc. But, what if they didn't? the worker should pay for it? I believe in this case government should help the workers. We can't blame workers for because of their CEO/manager didn't save any thing for these days.

Quote from: btc78 on April 18, 2020, 04:43:04 AM

who told you that this is government task to support people

That's why I pay tax!

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 18, 2020, 04:09:44 AM

I'm sorry but we are not in haven and casino workers are not angels.

Casino workers?or casino owners?sorry but i am missing something in your post.

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 18, 2020, 04:09:44 AM

they have their own problems and ofc they need the salary. like everyone in the world they have family, friends and kids to feed them.

i still missing here if whom youa re addressing because OP's stand is for the favor of employees and not the employer.

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 18, 2020, 04:09:44 AM

while you expect them to don't ask for salary how they must eat? and how they must live? This a task for every government to support people.

who told you that this is government task to support people?yeah government needs to help their people but People also needs to be ready in this kind of crisis and don't let everything comes from the government,the problem here is People mostly not saving for their emergencies and if this happens all they blame is government.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on April 18, 2020, 02:23:07 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 18, 2020, 12:49:55 AM

This is how business work!

They utilise an employee when they needed them the most and when these employee need the business to help them they just ignore them or throw them out.

As a human being this sounds bad but this is the truth. We need to live with it.

Yes, business as usual even in times like this when pandemic hit the world. This kind of business is only concerned with how they can earn more and they don't even have the slightest care about the one who is working with them.

Yes, maybe we need to find another job after this pandemic over, and we don't have to go back to them again if we feel they ignore the employee. At least, they can give some support for their employee so that the employee can feel better. I am sure that we can get another job because after it's over, many businesses will need to restart their business so they can operate as usual.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 18, 2020, 04:09:44 AM

I'm sorry but we are not in haven and casino workers are not angels. they have their own problems and ofc they need the salary. like everyone in the world they have family, friends and kids to feed them. while you expect them to don't ask for salary how they must eat? and how they must live? This a task for every government to support people.

I understand that the casinos have their own problems too as they are experiencing the same problem with their employees. Their business has closed therefore, they don't have any revenue for almost a month already.

I'm not expecting too for the casinos to give assistance to their employees but if they have the empathy then at least they can give some help to them even just some relief goods and a small amount of cash. I believe that casinos can get what they spent with that aspect but it will take time as the environment will not become normal yet when the virus has a cure already.

Well as for the employees, what is happening right now can be an eye opener for them to keep some of their salary as savings so that they have something to use in times like this.

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I'm sorry but we are not in haven and casino workers are not angels. they have their own problems and ofc they need the salary. like everyone in the world they have family, friends and kids to feed them. while you expect them to don't ask for salary how they must eat? and how they must live? This a task for every government to support people.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 18, 2020, 12:49:55 AM

This is how business work!

They utilise an employee when they needed them the most and when these employee need the business to help them they just ignore them or throw them out.

As a human being this sounds bad but this is the truth. We need to live with it.

Yes, business as usual even in times like this when pandemic hit the world. This kind of business is only concerned with how they can earn more and they don't even have the slightest care about the one who is working with them.

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This is how business work!

They utilise an employee when they needed them the most and when these employee need the business to help them they just ignore them or throw them out.

As a human being this sounds bad but this is the truth. We need to live with it.

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You'll actually see a company if they truly care for their employees. If they don't care at all, they only see their employees as a money-making machine and not part of the business. A caring employer treats their employees as part of the business and they are genuinely part of it.

I think it's Richard Branson's quote that I've seen who sees his employees as assets. Knowing that it's Vegas, they should help their people that's working hard for them. This is the reality, I also have a friend that works for a different industry and until now, no aid or even a "hey, how are you?" word from their recent employer.

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Quote from: smyslov on April 17, 2020, 08:38:30 PM

Quote from: seleme on April 16, 2020, 06:12:41 PM

$1200 amount is not enough for everyone but it is normal for daily food and needs. Maybe governments will restrict the companies to fire the employees due to the recent lockdown but the support should be kept for covering the needs of people. For keeping the minimum impact of the global recession, the workers should look for passive income, unfortunately.

Many businesses can't really keep up with the present situation, they can do it for one or two months but three months is just too much, especially for small gambling casinos but they must get help from the national government too, some countries are giving help to companies to help their employers since these companies are also taxpayers.

But we are talking about Casinos in "Las Vegas" mate and not small time casino but those best in the world so for sure they can sustain even the whole year of their employees but the problem is if the employer are ready to Help them out.

and also we know how much income these casino Gets daily and how Millions coming their accounts from weekly or monthly basis so how hard to help the people in just 2 months or more?
Gambling business is the most profitable among any business specially if the company is stable and popular.

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Quote from: Sadlife on April 16, 2020, 08:53:58 PM

That's why it's very recommended to always have a side hustle even before the pandemic most employers have been doing this kind of thing to their employees. Just like in wayfair they've laid off over 500 workers just to hire new workers that accepts lower salary.

Recommending a sideline for these employees isn't a good idea. There are some problems with this though.
1. They don't have enough time and energy to do it since they are working 8 hours a day. They feel stressed when they get home so even though they have enough time but they don't have the energy then it will be useless. Probably there are some who are doing this. Working for 8 hours a day and when they get home they will work again thru online.
2. Some of these employees doesn't have the time to do it because they are only one in their home. They have to do the things in their home that can eat their time most probably. This is somewhat related to the 1st one Cheesy

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For me it would be better if you have skills that you can be use to work at home so that even though times like this will happen, you will not be affected that much as you can still work even you are at home as long as you have the internet and a computer to use. These pandemic didn't affect the casino workers only but all the employees who are working under different companies but the most affected here are the ones who doesn't have any savings to use in times like this Sad

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Quote from: seleme on April 16, 2020, 06:12:41 PM

$1200 amount is not enough for everyone but it is normal for daily food and needs. Maybe governments will restrict the companies to fire the employees due to the recent lockdown but the support should be kept for covering the needs of people. For keeping the minimum impact of the global recession, the workers should look for passive income, unfortunately.

Many businesses can't really keep up with the present situation, they can do it for one or two months but three months is just too much, especially for small gambling casinos but they must get help from the national government too, some countries are giving help to companies to help their employers since these companies are also taxpayers.

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Quote from: erep on April 17, 2020, 06:05:27 AM

Quote from: kawetsriyanto on April 17, 2020, 04:32:44 AM

Some people may think as you to consider leaving because disappointment but others may not as it is not easy to get a new job. In my country, leaving current job is the final decision. Most people won't consider it if they have no big problems because it is hard to find another job.

In countries where the population is higher than the chance of getting a job, leaving work now will be unemployed. The Covid-19 has brought badness on earth that most companies decide to work unilaterally because the company does not have funds to finance employees so that some of them have experienced an economic crisis.

Its just normal to think that economic state of affected countries can gradually be seen and take note that we do still in few months of such lockdown or
quarantine but everything starts to mess up.Of course when theres no work then there would be no salary and come to think that government funds
arent unlimited which even if they do help out their citizens it wont really be sustainable of this one would go longer.

Help would be there but we know the reality that not all people would be catered or be given.It all varies or depend on a certain place governance.

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Quote from: pawanjain on April 16, 2020, 09:43:30 AM

Nobody would have expected that a pandemic like this would hit us so hard so quickly. To be honest, nobody was prepared for such a thing.
It's not just about casinos and it's employees but every industry is facing this troublesome situation.
It depends on the owners if they can afford to pay their employees or not. We can't blame the owners too since they will have to pay the bills and bare the loss anyway. It's good that despite this situation, there are some owners who are paying their employees but only prayers can help the rest.

I used to be ready for events like these. I had all of my money&gold out of the banking system and crypto exchanges. They used toe be all physical until last year or so. Then for some weird reason I started to take risks. Did some trades on exchanges, put the cash in a bank etc.

Hopefully this pandemic event will be an eye opener and a warning for everybody.

We should be ready for any bad event no matter how low the odds are.

The banking system can go down too and I am getting ready for that one no matter how ridiculous it seems right now.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on April 17, 2020, 04:32:44 AM

Quote from: plvbob0070 on April 17, 2020, 02:59:53 AM

If I were a worker in those casinos who didn't give any help, I might just leave and find another company that would care with their employees.

Some people may think as you to consider leaving because disappointment but others may not as it is not easy to get a new job. In my country, leaving current job is the final decision. Most people won't consider it if they have no big problems because it is hard to find another job.

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Other casino companies were able to help their employees but others can't.

It depends on the financial condition of the company. For a big company that has large fund reserves, they are probably able to help their employees. While other companies may have financial problems now since there are no work activities. So, it is understandable if the companies don't give any helps to the employees.

I'm very aware of that situation. Yes, it's hard to find a stable job but I would not endure this kind of treatment.

The casino is the heart of Las Vegas, and for sure they are earning great revenue during the whole operation they had. Helping them doesn't necessarily mean they will provide them the things they need that may put the company at the disadvantage stage. As a company, it's good to put a nice image by helping your employees, but at the same time, most businesses would not want to lose money or increase their expenses by giving it to their employees. They could have just think of other ways to help them without risking their money. I have been saying this in the thread that they can give them their bonuses (Christmas or 13th-month) in advance, or providing loans. It means during the Christmas season, employees won't be receiving any, and/or when loaning, deduct it to their monthly salary after this lockdown.

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Quote from: erep on April 17, 2020, 06:05:27 AM

Quote from: kawetsriyanto on April 17, 2020, 04:32:44 AM

Some people may think as you to consider leaving because disappointment but others may not as it is not easy to get a new job. In my country, leaving current job is the final decision. Most people won't consider it if they have no big problems because it is hard to find another job.

In countries where the population is higher than the chance of getting a job, leaving work now will be unemployed. The Covid-19 has brought badness on earth that most companies decide to work unilaterally because the company does not have funds to finance employees so that some of them have experienced an economic crisis.

Yes, that is what happens now in many countries. But the employee can try to ask the company about the salary, and I think the company will be fair enough to their employee to give the money to them. But the employee itself cannot expect to see the company will provide another salary in the next month because how the company will pay if they don't work at all while the employee is not work in their office too.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on April 17, 2020, 04:32:44 AM

Some people may think as you to consider leaving because disappointment but others may not as it is not easy to get a new job. In my country, leaving current job is the final decision. Most people won't consider it if they have no big problems because it is hard to find another job.

In countries where the population is higher than the chance of getting a job, leaving work now will be unemployed. The Covid-19 has brought badness on earth that most companies decide to work unilaterally because the company does not have funds to finance employees so that some of them have experienced an economic crisis.

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