Topic: Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw - page 29. (Read 12721 times)

A lot of reputable casinos fall under the same boat when it comes to handling KYC. The thing is that the average gambler's gonna steer away from KYC no matter what and some of these casinos would have to be very tricky in implementing these mechanisms. Is it unfair and shitty? Yes, can we really do something about it especially if the gambling site's base of operation's country requires them to do so for customer protection laws? Not really. So it's best that we really get into the jive of how these gambling sites and KYC work if we wanna gamble, otherwise it's time to focus on a whole new hobby this time around lol.

In any case, there are casinos out there like Stake (shameless plug not intended) that veer away from this exploitative activity, they still require users to undergo KYC don't get me wrong, but for the most part, as is the case for Stake, they not only require people to do this during withdraws which is a massive blindside to gamblers especially those who have already deposited their money into the site, but also for deposit, sometimes even as soon as you create the account. This makes sure that the gambler knows that they are dealing with a KYC casino without having to be surprised that one day they couldn't take out their money all because they couldn't undergo a KYC verification. I couldn't speak for the reputability of the casino you posted OP but from the looks of it that's some bogus shit that I wouldn't let near me.

There are already 2 sites that i have experienced on asking some KYC but those are lite ones and could be put up some fake information if you wanted to.

*Stake
*Roobet

On the time that you would really be making out those registrations then it would really be just that normal they would be asking those basic information like name,address etc...
So if you dont like these things from the start then you could be always have the right on opting out whether yo uwould be finding another platform
or you would really be sticking on playing into it using up some neither real or fake details. Your choice! 

Casinos require KYC primarily because of the regulators. The list of undesirable countries is constantly being updated, so everyone is required to check if a person is a resident of such a country. Of course, all this strikes a blow to a person's freedom and anonymity, but either the casino chooses a resident country where KYC is more freely tolerated or restricts players

It would have been even clear from the beginning if the gambler is wise and also fair, no casinos should be blamed for what is plain in terms of service. As long as casinos did not spell it out that they are "no-KYC" casinos then you should be expecting them to ask for the KYC soon or later, you just have to complete it with no questions asked. I do not bother myself about those reading of terms and conditions of casinos or online companies simply because of the KYC, it's just the normal thing to expect and you have to do in this world where all establishments are required to know their customers to avoid illicit flows.

It is only the rebel ones among the online companies that are shying from that and helping lawless people like them. So I expect any right-thinking individual to know that when money is involved, the AML Act which is the global standard must be followed. So specifically for casinos, as long as there is no "no-KYC" attached to them, I complete my KYC immediately upon finishing my registration. I do not want them to tell me to do that. And for it to be done before I deposit my first deposit makes me calm while doing it, unlike how it often is for those who delay in completing it but are later subjected to more strenuous exercise before they can complete it.

However, in my opinion, there are also casinos that do not require gamblers to understand KYC rules, because in my opinion, KYC is not important, so there is an important side and an unimportant side. but what is clear is that for the comfort and safety of gambling, it is best to just fulfill the terms and conditions that the casino applies, such as requiring you to understand KYC or something else, as you said, KYC is not a big problem, that's true, but sometimes I also think KYC has an important role.

that's true, indeed the problem that occurs with the gambling that we do is because we ourselves may not be careful or neat enough in gambling, because in my opinion there are people who ignore the rules, terms and conditions and KYC in gambling, to the point where they If they experience problems with gambling, then they will see and understand the rules or terms and conditions that the casino applies. Problems will not arise if we do everything well and correctly, if we really want comfortable gambling then we should do the best we can, because of course we all want good comfort with the gambling we do, and that is determined by ourselves.

Casino company have the right to request KYC from any client. Because TOS states that a gambler is bound to abide by their terms and conditions. When a gambler creates a new account they agree to gamble there according to all the terms and conditions of that company or site. No casino organization should be blamed in this case. Moreover, most casinos make it very clear that if a gambler finds evidence of something suspicious, they can certainly ask that gambler for a variety of information. I think all casino company try to give maximum benefits to their customers. They never purposefully get anyone into any KYC complications. Also I don't think asking for KYC is a crime. Although we prioritize crypto gambling to remain anonymous, there is no alternative to knowing who is a real gambler as various types of illegal financial transactions or money laundering activities always occur so casino company will be aware of it.

Exactly, gamblers that say such things are simply making excuses to accuse the casino of something they don't want to do because if they read the terms and conditions at the time of registration, they wouldn't have any confusion because if there is such a rule, it would be mentioned in the terms and conditions of a casino and a player see it. Most gamblers are just too lazy to read the terms and conditions of a casino before signing up and then they blame the platform for such things which isn't the fault of the casino.
So you are right that a casino can always ask for KYC if they wish to if they have the rule mentioned in the terms and conditions even though the gambler hasn't read the ToS.

That's why it's better for a casino to say right from the start that there is KYC because there are gamblers who understand and accept the fact that there are KYC rules, and it's not a big deal to them. Even for me, the KYC is not a big deal to me, to be honest, as long as the reputation of a casino gambling is good.

Or maybe if you really don't want kyc, just look for someone else who doesn't really have kyc instead of the one you already know that's the style, and then you still go in to play; it will really come out in the end; the real problem is us.

If you are really that tending to make some registration on a particular platform then it would be always recommended that you should initially making that in depth analysis through it about its reputation or legitimacy so that you would already be having already the idea on whats their current standing on the market whether they are just new or something old or having those current issues.. Checking out next their terms and conditions on the  time that you had already decided to take up some deposit, if you do saw about having KYC on the time you do withdraw then you could always opt not to proceed on.
The thing that do really sucks that shady casinos would really be having that kind of shit behavior on changing it out whenever they are really not that tending to pay up someones winning or
simply they've been having those plans since from the start.

Almost all the casinos that requires for kyc will not demand for that when you're starting, it will be only requested when you're trying to make withdrawal, we are the ones that should always be getting ready for something of this nature to happen with us while using it, not only when we want to make withdrawal alone, some will give you a particular time frame in making provisions to the necessary information's they requested from us, if we cant cope with any of these, we had rather be on look for the ones that does not require kyc at all.

Well, I would say that kyc on casinos is no longer dependent on how much a gambler is withdrawing from the said casino, kyc have become a matter of when the casinos pleases, or decided for what ever reason, to request it from their customers.
I personally have come across a gambler who played on a casino for several years, withdrew thousand of dollars multiple times from the casino, and never did the casino impose account verification on the player, he's been playing on that casino for over 7 years, lost alot of money to them and also have won a lot of money from them as well.

Just recently, he deposited, I think a hundred dollars to play with, but kept losing and losing, at a point, he decided to withdraw $5 dollar, and the casino put the withdrawal request on pending and asked the customer to verify he account before the withdrawal can be processed.
This is a prove to us that, kyc verification on some casinos is no longer a matter of how much you are withdrawing, but when finally the casino wakes up to the users case, kyc is no longer something to be avoided, for it had become a mandatory process everyone dealing in money must go through.

This can be a topic that can be addressed with many different opinions, and that is the idea, however each person will explain why they agree and why they do not agree, and seeing how things are going in the world it is a fact. that for everything you need identification, and there will come a time when for any movement you need to verify your Identity and those who do not do it or allow it will be frowned upon, or perhaps as criminals, things may be like that in the future , casinos always Require a small KYC as I said, email, maybe a phone number, but also the KYC verification levels can be something else, level 1 which is supposedly the least difficult because it is easy to pass, but With that level it is enough to know where they live and what their address and residence address are.

Having this data it is only possible to give and reach the person's residence (this in case of a data hack or data leak) this is what is sometimes thought, but a kyc for data verification and to be able to make a minimum withdrawal is only what is sought, however, the things to make withdrawals there are casinos that are old that allow you to do it without the need for a KYC, for example amounts of up to 100usd, but since this is so radical, I think that almost all of them already The requirement does not have to be met in order to generate that withdrawal.

A large amount to withdraw if they demand more requirements and that is in the rules and regulations of their casinos, I consider that it is something that is not good, because it is becoming more and more like a fiat bank, and this is crypto, so there is many things that don't add up, at least not for me, for that reason I have always said, the best thing to do is Always avoid those things that could affect us in the future.

The site that we trust is the site that I recommend staying and doing the KYC.

While more and more casino platforms now ask users for KYC verification, I think all gamblers now know how they should play at the casino.
Maybe at first, they weren't asked for KYC and just verified their email or cellphone number notification. but now I'm sure all gamblers have an understanding of KYC in the future when it comes to withdrawals, especially if they are in large amounts. Of course, the casino tries to ensure that the withdrawals made are following procedures and the account does not have problems.

Of course, what you say is all true.
 However, the legal requirements for the storage and processing of personal data, adopted, for example, in the European Union, are so stringent that I think many casinos are simply unable to comply with them in full and indeed while maintaining all the norms prescribed by law.  Just out of interest, I’ll tell you that when working with personal data, 6 principles have been established, and in the Cayman Islands there are even more, the implementation of which is a rather difficult task for the casino itself. 
For example, there is a principle when, at the request of a citizen, a casino must completely delete all his personal data.  This is the so-called "right to be forgotten."  But most players simply forget about this right when they stop playing in a casino.  And their personal data is stored in the casino indefinitely.  And by the way, casinos can also be used for marketing purposes.  Because KYC in many cases provides for automatic consent to such use of personal data.

 But I still remain an ardent opponent of KYC when it comes to payments in cryptocurrencies.  For people, the complete loss of anonymity when making payments in fiat is enough.  And there should be at least the slightest possibility of making anonymous payments.

They might think about not transparent on KYC since they fail to read the TOS that's why they got surprised when this suddenly ask to them. If they know already that there's instances that this KYC requirement will be asked for sure no big questions will be asked about this since they are aware that this will be asked especially if there's something need to verify in their account.

 If they afraid about this since they think about that maybe much really better for them to deposit only a small amount and just have fun on their participation on any casino activities so that they will not be harm if something they don't like to expect and happen will come to them.

One thing I believe is the reason why some or most casinos usually did not ask for kyc verification at the initial stage of a customers registration was because, regulation was mild and or non existent, but right now, with regulation becoming stronger by the day, some pretty big casinos are now requiring kyc at the point of that customer's registration before he or she is allowed to make a deposit and play on that casino, this is mostly common with fiat based casinos, and I think some crypto gambling casinos are now also implementing the same gradually.

Not requiring kyc at the point of registration or before a user makes a deposit was one way casinos won customers over, for no or very few customers will willingly have the patient to go through kyc verification before being able to deposit and play his or her favorite game, not when there are other casinos around where they can easily sign up, make a deposit and start playing almost immediately.

So casinos used that method of "pushing kyc request to when a gamblers wins and wants to withdraw" as a way of keeping their customers and winning potential ones over, but today, with regulation becoming more tight, and casinos having no choice but to ask their users for kyc document, I believe that, most gamblers are now beginning to understand that kyc is not something to run away from anymore, as it has become a paramount requirement from every internet users who are involved in transmitting money in one way or the other.

What do you mean «are not transparent with required KYC» ? They 100% have a clause in ToS where they say they might ask for KYC. It is not «all of a sudden we have decided to verify user». They always warn user that they might do it. And sometimes users blindly panic when they are asked to verify, when all casino ask is to verity email used for registration. All in all, when it comes about money, get ready to be under surveillance.

This is not a targeted attack in most cases, it is what everyone should be expecting and that is why we should not relax in this regard, but we should be smart and sensitive unless it is a no-KYC casino we are dealing with. It will always be differentiated on their websites, and you may ask their support staff at the same time for proper guidance before you deposit your money. However, if they are truly a no-KYC casino, you can relax and just gamble as you want without giving it any thought. But if such later ask you for it, then you should know that they are deceivers, and then you can conclude that they are targetting you as you said.

But if a casino is a KYC type, or was silent about what they really are, you should expect the worst my friend, you should do the KYC if you have the opportunity immediately. If not, they will still ask you, and I want you to know that they are not the only company that does that, many, if not all reputable companies like exchanges and some brokers do that, so it is not about targeting anyone. Only that people are too relaxed about this or are just carelessly thinking it will continue to be like that. They just wanted to have your money first, that is the cunning part, but thinking they will not ask you for the KYC forever, my brother, it is a self-deceit. Some will even allow you to continue to withdraw a small amount of money, maybe that is your case. If you are not a big winner, you might never know, they will free you to continue playing and withdrawing, which is why some will think it is the norm, but no, it is not.

When things are tried to be done in a casino, we know very well that KYC has to be done, acutely all casinos have to comply with those things, there is no way that things can be backed up with KYC, any casino They ask for the KYC, now when the casinos try to do everything possible to avoid having ugly and bad times, it is better to do the KYC before making a deposit, because when the deposit is made the casino can have the luxury of not approve the KYC quickly, but if they do it before the deposit they are forced to approve it quickly, but it is preferable that the casinos that we choose are the most reliable.

The things that we see is that when the minimum withdrawal is met everyone wants to withdraw their funds, it is the most common thing, and the most unpleasant thing is that we are going to withdraw and that cannot be done because they have to approve the KYC, that to me It takes away my desire, and I don't even go back to that casino, so to avoid this, it is better to comply with the KYC first.

Most casinos that I have played on, don't ask for KYC at the point of registration and even though they are KYC compliant, they still do not take it as a priority to demand for that all the time unless on special cases.
But if a casino suddenly wakes up overnight and asks for KYC only when a player makes a withdrawal attempt,  it will become a targeted attack and if care is not taken, the gambler may not be able to make any withdrawal even if he gets all the necessary KYC material and submitted them.