Topic: Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw - page 24. (Read 12549 times)

Your documents are somewhere. The casino is the same like any company where you send copy of your passport. You have no any guarantees that some institution willn`t share your data, include passport with someone else, and he will share it for everybody.

I don`t worry that someone can see me naked, but it doesn`t mean that i have to go for a walk naked. Don`t worry about KYC and give my data for everybody - differs.
PS. I`ve seen at least 2 men, who posted their passport and credit card in chat. I don`t know is it really their data, but i think it is so. So, there are adepts of your idea.

I would like to disagree. We should still worry about KYC, or at least pay attention to what information we share. Making verification via receiving sms is one thing, and sending passport or ID picture is completely different. Even though people can do little with my name, surname, date and place of birth and a picture, I would still feel uncomfortable knowing that documents are somewhere. One thing is when you allow some institution to make and keep copy of your personal information, other thing is basically printing and sticking copy of your passport on "every wall of the city".

You, as you say, worry little about KYC, then why no uploading front page of your passport here?

Well, this forum respects user's privacy, which is one of the things bitcoin represents, and as such, this forum does not require it's users to share their private and personal informations here except the user wishes to do so on his or her won accord.

But have you bothered to think of this, what if this forum actually required users to submit their private and personal informations for kyc verifications, what if this was a requirement needed by the services we promote and make money from on this forum, what if this was a requirement they need for them to hire us, don't you think alot of users on this forum would have gladly submitted their IDs?, and other personal information, if not for anything, for the money they make on or from this forum through the services they promote..

Well, I leave you to ponder on that, but all the same, kyc is not something we should really worry about, as long as you are only submitting your documents to reputable and we'll trusted platforms, not platforms that will turn around and sell their users private information to other companies money.

Actually, we don't own any online or physical casino, therefore we can only speculate as to which is easy to manage online or offline casino.
The ones who are actually involved in the two businesses can tell us the exact pros and cons of both setups.

However, I would not necessarily agree with the last question's answer that it is difficult to manage an Online Casino as compared to an offline casino. Don't you think that managing a physical casino is more difficult as you have to hire people, manage the building (rented or owned), manage the people coming to the casino etc etc. With online casinos, all of the things will be taken care of by the casino developer when it comes to the design and security etc and it is just a one-time payment as opposed to the physical casino where you have to pay the rent and hire staff to m whom you will need to pay monthly.

Well, I leave you to ponder on that, but all the same, kyc is not something we should really worry about, as long as you are only submitting your documents to reputable and we'll trusted platforms, not platforms that will turn around and sell their users private information to other companies money.

The thing actually is, for some casinos, they usually allow the user register, make a deposit and play on the casino, possibly making a few winnings and withdrawals as well, this probably is to allow the player test the casino out and get acquainted with the operations of the casino, but like you said, a time always comes when the casino will ask the user to verify his or her account, mostly when the user is requesting a withdrawal, and why casinos do this is very understandable because this is the only time that player may comply with the request, the player has already requested a withdrawal which is pending, and for the withdrawal to be processed, he or she needs to submit his or her documents for account verification, the player is likely to submit the document immediately in order to have their withdrawal processed.

But if and when the casino randomly asked the player to submit kyc documents for account verification when the player doesn't have any pending withdrawals, the user may ignore it and possibly look for ways to get his money out of that casino and move to another, and worst is if and when the player actually does not have any money on his account, he or she may likely move to another casino where they may possibly not ask him or her to verify his or her account immediately.

This I believe is the reason why most casino will wait until a player is at the point where they need their withdrawal request to be processed, before the casino askes them for documents for account verification, for the casino knows what this is the best time any player can comply to their kyc demands, requesting for this any other time, the casino might just push the player away to another casino.

In the situation when they are referring to kyc as optional, then what they mostly mean is that they can allow you to register and gamble even without completing for the kyc request, but that doesn't mean they may not later make demands on that, but the most annoying is that we often get annoyed seeing this because we are at the point of making withdrawals before receiving the notification that we need to complete our kyc, so what i would have suggest to some of these gambling site is to ensure that they don't only request for kyc at the point of making withdrawal, they can demand for such even when the user is not requesting for withdrawals after his registration.

Yeah! Evidence seem to be the key as we know there only to tackle any matter arising, which is Evidence ( all T&C should be screen shot and kept). if a casino includes KYC is optional and they require it for your funds withdrawal then they are obviously a scam and the only way to tackle them is the way you listed above as they could be cunning  sometimes towards updating  their previous texts and if there's  no evidence , all hope might seem to be lost

I would like to disagree. We should still worry about KYC, or at least pay attention to what information we share. Making verification via receiving sms is one thing, and sending passport or ID picture is completely different. Even though people can do little with my name, surname, date and place of birth and a picture, I would still feel uncomfortable knowing that documents are somewhere. One thing is when you allow some institution to make and keep copy of your personal information, other thing is basically printing and sticking copy of your passport on "every wall of the city".

You, as you say, worry little about KYC, then why no uploading front page of your passport here?

Why we must be afraid of KYC? 5-10 years ago we didn`t hear about it but we gave our data to huge quantity of different kind organizations. Today we make the same but care about KYC. Just keep your money safe and don`t worry about KYC. I see lots of private data in darknet - it costs less than $1. This is real price of our data.

I like the twist of things regarding the KYC these days unlike before when people put the KYC so much in their heads. Although some people would still put the issue of privacy in their heads, and the most annoying thing is that you may not find a reasonable amount of money to have warranted such a high level of privacy if you check the accounts of many of them. Being private and secretive are good and I am a very private person, but the manner in which they are taking it is too much.

Fine, you might hide it from the people around you as much as possible, but that of a company that is not even thousands of miles close to your country is extreme. Who is now the person digging you who has a few thousand bucks to that extent? Think of it, KYC is just a document, it is not an access to your account/wallet, and it is just a way for the government and the company to make us more accountable by knowing us, which is a global standard. Or is it the company that doesn't know you in person that will even become a threat to your life in case of fear of one's life? Another annoying issue is that those who are calling privacy concerns for not completing a KYC is that they will be busy completing the KYC in many other places like banks, schools and others that would also ask them for the source of their funds in some cases.

Even those places where they commit their money for long and short-term investments ask for KYC, which includes the buying of lands and properties. So what is their headache about that? What is so important to me with any company is primarily the good service and the pace of money withdrawal, and not the privacy because if the company can come clean and have their address, registration, phone number, account/wallet, regulation, tax, insurance etc details are displayed publicly, how much more my KYC being shared with them, something they will not display publicly.

There are other gambling games like that, where all the information you enter we must also remember or save from our emails, phone number, and password as well.
Because sometimes when they have questions for us for verification, they use that thing so they can check if we are still the real owner who can access our account.

And these kinds of opportunities are actually not made big deals by gamblers, because that's how it is in this age for us to somehow secure our accounts.

All the standard companies I witnessed the change in their terms and conditions did notify me immediately, and upon assenting to it, they will still send me a copy of such acknowledgement of the changes to make it more official. This is the right way to go about it and not casinos behaving anyhow. Owning to this, a no-KYC casino due to regulations might change to a KYC casino, but must duly notify their customer like I said and not believe that such a huge change must be accepted in ignorance.

In that case, you should be actively making a screenshot of the TOS as what you saw the moment you sing up will not forever be the same. As the regulation gets tighten, the TOS will also change and could be from non KYC to KYC, and having you not aware of that because you only read the first time you play, that would make you expect that KYC is not a thing in this site where in reality  it's a big one since they are regulated, or have become regulated since they acquire a license. We should neglect this thing, nowadays, KYC is already been a normal thing, if a site does not ask for KYC, or promote they would never ask, you should investigate carefully as that's not usual anymore.

That would be their main weapon for those situations on which they would really be having that kind of reasoning about their terms and conditions on which this is something that they would really be throwing at you and on the time that you've been telling to yourself that you havent been able to read up those long pile of text then you would really be having thoughts to yourself that you might really have that mistakes
that you have done on which you wont really be having those questioning because you do believe that you had missed out something on their terms.

This is why it would really be that important that you should really be reading up those terms and conditions and as much as possible you would really be able to copy it or
screenshot on which if there are some possible alterations then you could somewhat have a fight on this case.

In that case, you should be actively making a screenshot of the TOS as what you saw the moment you sing up will not forever be the same. As the regulation gets tighten, the TOS will also change and could be from non KYC to KYC, and having you not aware of that because you only read the first time you play, that would make you expect that KYC is not a thing in this site where in reality  it's a big one since they are regulated, or have become regulated since they acquire a license. We should neglect this thing, nowadays, KYC is already been a normal thing, if a site does not ask for KYC, or promote they would never ask, you should investigate carefully as that's not usual anymore.

Today there are just two things we have to care about - password/pin to the credit card and the phone(i mean the device). All services today asks 2FA or sms - so without phone it is difficult enough to make something with your data. And without pin it is difficult to get your money. Of course it doesn`t mean that you can don`t care about security, but these two moments are the main things we have to care about it.

Yeah! Evidence seem to be the key as we know there only to tackle any matter arising, which is Evidence ( all T&C should be screen shot and kept). if a casino includes KYC is optional and they require it for your funds withdrawal then they are obviously a scam and the only way to tackle them is the way you listed above as they could be cunning  sometimes towards updating  their previous texts and if there's  no evidence , all hope might seem to be lost

I hope you remember that some of these gambling platforms also used to state it on their policies that their rules are subjected to changes and they will ask you to acknowledge that you have read and understand their conditions of service before accepting the approval for your registration while at the point of signing up, and all we do is to check the button and click yes even though we don't read anything.

The right solution, we must have evidence for screenshots of all the terms and conditions on the casino site, another alternative solution we can index all responses on the web archive then the evidence can be considered concrete compared to screenshots, we must save all the stacks of text to prove that we have read the terms and conditions so that the casino cannot defend itself for a lie to the users, unless the casino announces an update to make new rules that require KYC then they can avoid all the demands of being accused of being a scam casino.

This is why it would really be that important that you should really be reading up those terms and conditions and as much as possible you would really be able to copy it or
screenshot on which if there are some possible alterations then you could somewhat have a fight on this case.