From my experience, this is a pretty standard rule and it's actually common for every fiat casino in my country to do this. You're not required a KYC to register your account, deposit and wager up to a certain amount but as soon as you surpass the amount or try to make a withdrawal, KYC is mandatory and in addition they also have to verify your payment method at a certain point. As long as everything is mentioned in the ToS at the point of your registration, I don't find anything shady in doing all of this. Sure, it might not see fair but casinos are just doing their job, to attract new customers and take their money, that's why they use all this kind of the gimmicks. It's your job as a player, to do your research about the casino, their practices, their rules and regulations, their ToS before registering and depositing your own money.
There is not much you can do if a casino changes their ToS after you've registered your account and made a deposit. Online crypto casino are still unregulated, therefore it'll be hard to make a complain about them and get your money back.Usually, if the casino is trusted they won't make any major changes to their ToS that affect you and even if they do, they'll notice you and make you agree to the new terms.
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March 07, 2024, 03:25:04 AM
March 06, 2024, 10:18:43 PM
Are you sure it's not mentioned on their ToS, or you didn't/forgot to read the updated ToS when they required KYC after some time? Because casinos should be transparent with their ToS since it's their defense legally especially when they ban their users. If it's not on their ToS then asked KYC, then again, they deserve negative reputation on any platform as well as negative tag in this forum.
If it's not on their ToS, they can update the TOS since the same TOS allows them to make appropriate modifications and updates whenever necessary. Do you know users who review the terms of use, especially if they use the service without problems?
It has become an open trick: platforms offer users tempting and attractive terms of use during launch. Users use the platform for a relatively long time without problems until they are satisfied with the quality of service. Then suddenly problems begin under the pretext of suspicion of possibly tampering with the system or attempting to deceive. All of them are legitimate arguments, and on the basis of them, the argument can be given for updating the TOS. I am here offering my opinion in general, and I do not have specific information about Bitser’s situation in particular.
We should not picture this as a problem erupted from the gambling platforms, for them to be able to provide the gamblers with a free service without requesting for kyc from the start is only an indication for them on being loyal and considerate and this shouldn't be taken for granted by gamblers anytime they make up with their decision on requesting for kyc, we already know that they are such they demands on kyc and we should also be in preparedness towards providing them with every necessary requirred information.
indicate the need of KYC from the start and now when the players started to deposit and win and when
there is a need to take their money for withdrawal then they will bring burden asking for KYC? that is
unethical way of dealing with players and an obvious way of fooling if not cheating they players.
Imagine they will allow you to deposit without any question but after winning they will implement
such verification? that is for me a complete stupidity.
March 06, 2024, 10:02:15 PM
Are you sure it's not mentioned on their ToS, or you didn't/forgot to read the updated ToS when they required KYC after some time? Because casinos should be transparent with their ToS since it's their defense legally especially when they ban their users. If it's not on their ToS then asked KYC, then again, they deserve negative reputation on any platform as well as negative tag in this forum.
If it's not on their ToS, they can update the TOS since the same TOS allows them to make appropriate modifications and updates whenever necessary. Do you know users who review the terms of use, especially if they use the service without problems?
It has become an open trick: platforms offer users tempting and attractive terms of use during launch. Users use the platform for a relatively long time without problems until they are satisfied with the quality of service. Then suddenly problems begin under the pretext of suspicion of possibly tampering with the system or attempting to deceive. All of them are legitimate arguments, and on the basis of them, the argument can be given for updating the TOS. I am here offering my opinion in general, and I do not have specific information about Bitser’s situation in particular.
We should not picture this as a problem erupted from the gambling platforms, for them to be able to provide the gamblers with a free service without requesting for kyc from the start is only an indication for them on being loyal and considerate and this shouldn't be taken for granted by gamblers anytime they make up with their decision on requesting for kyc, we already know that they are such they demands on kyc and we should also be in preparedness towards providing them with every necessary requirred information.
indicate the need of KYC from the start and now when the players started to deposit and win and when
there is a need to take their money for withdrawal then they will bring burden asking for KYC? that is
unethical way of dealing with players and an obvious way of fooling if not cheating they players.
Imagine they will allow you to deposit without any question but after winning they will implement
such verification? that is for me a complete stupidity.
March 06, 2024, 03:56:05 PM
If a casino tries to keep their customers in the dark without clear information about ToS and plays an excuse game, the reputation of that casino is already in doubt. How transparent a casino is should be understood in advance. Gamblers are also responsible to read the ToS properly at the time of registration in any casino so that they do not face any problem with KYC in future.
Sometimes the problem doesn't start with reading the casino TOS at the time of registration; most times it all starts when the user registers a KYC for those that enable it and is having a good time with the casino, just after they have been able to lure a large number of people with their friendly TOS.Then they will go ahead and make some amendments without properly informing the customers, unless those who visit TOS on a regular basis will be able to notice the change; if not, you will just realise that you have violated a policy that was never even there in the first place until they find a good reason to consolidate your funds in their casino. That's when they will do that, and when you ask a question, they will refer you to a new policy you know nothing about.
March 06, 2024, 03:52:23 PM
Are you sure it's not mentioned on their ToS, or you didn't/forgot to read the updated ToS when they required KYC after some time? Because casinos should be transparent with their ToS since it's their defense legally especially when they ban their users. If it's not on their ToS then asked KYC, then again, they deserve negative reputation on any platform as well as negative tag in this forum.
If it's not on their ToS, they can update the TOS since the same TOS allows them to make appropriate modifications and updates whenever necessary. Do you know users who review the terms of use, especially if they use the service without problems?
It has become an open trick: platforms offer users tempting and attractive terms of use during launch. Users use the platform for a relatively long time without problems until they are satisfied with the quality of service. Then suddenly problems begin under the pretext of suspicion of possibly tampering with the system or attempting to deceive. All of them are legitimate arguments, and on the basis of them, the argument can be given for updating the TOS. I am here offering my opinion in general, and I do not have specific information about Bitser’s situation in particular.
We should not picture this as a problem erupted from the gambling platforms, for them to be able to provide the gamblers with a free service without requesting for kyc from the start is only an indication for them on being loyal and considerate and this shouldn't be taken for granted by gamblers anytime they make up with their decision on requesting for kyc, we already know that they are such they demands on kyc and we should also be in preparedness towards providing them with every necessary requirred information.
March 06, 2024, 03:05:50 PM
Are you sure it's not mentioned on their ToS, or you didn't/forgot to read the updated ToS when they required KYC after some time? Because casinos should be transparent with their ToS since it's their defense legally especially when they ban their users. If it's not on their ToS then asked KYC, then again, they deserve negative reputation on any platform as well as negative tag in this forum.
If it's not on their ToS, they can update the TOS since the same TOS allows them to make appropriate modifications and updates whenever necessary. Do you know users who review the terms of use, especially if they use the service without problems?
It has become an open trick: platforms offer users tempting and attractive terms of use during launch. Users use the platform for a relatively long time without problems until they are satisfied with the quality of service. Then suddenly problems begin under the pretext of suspicion of possibly tampering with the system or attempting to deceive. All of them are legitimate arguments, and on the basis of them, the argument can be given for updating the TOS. I am here offering my opinion in general, and I do not have specific information about Bitser’s situation in particular.
March 06, 2024, 02:57:47 PM
Most of the time we see that gamblers are careless and face the problem at maximum time, and their complaints are not properly addressed. But gamblers don't want to admit their own mistakes even if they are wrong that they didn't read the ToS properly while registering, but in the end they blame the casino. But not all gamblers are at fault, many low reputation casinos play games with their customers with many conditions hidden within the ToS.
So as much as it is important for gamblers to read the ToS, it is more important to choose a reputable casino to gamble in so as not to face any kind of problem later on in cases where it is impossible to resolve.
But for us to have a fair deal on casinos, we need to have all the necessary requirements as in documents that are accepted to get verified, this way they tend to pass through kyc with ease, instead of creating account and making deposits without knowing the conditions and there by trying to pass through verification by proxy which is impossible even if the documents belong to you.
March 06, 2024, 02:45:56 PM
No, they always mention in on their ToS that they might ask KYC anytime, now if the site doesn't mention any KYC then asked it's users, they deserve negative reputation by any means.
If a casino tries to keep their customers in the dark without clear information about ToS and plays an excuse game, the reputation of that casino is already in doubt. How transparent a casino is should be understood in advance. Gamblers are also responsible to read the ToS properly at the time of registration in any casino so that they do not face any problem with KYC in future.I agree with what you said that a gambler should be responsible for reading the TOS, because I noticed that when they don't read the TOS, that's when they have a problem and think they are right and reasonable.
And when there is an investigation, it will be seen that it will be known that the fault lies with the complainant; they will be embarrassed, and then suddenly they will say that they did not notice, but they themselves know that they are really wrong.
So as much as it is important for gamblers to read the ToS, it is more important to choose a reputable casino to gamble in so as not to face any kind of problem later on in cases where it is impossible to resolve.
March 06, 2024, 02:45:41 PM
Yes, it is. The most part of casino can be called CEX. Of course, it used with exchanges, but i don`t know how we can call the same casinos. DEX and CEX allows us to understand what we want to say.
About KYC i said lots of times - i don`t see any problem with KYC, except KYC, when you can`t choose its time. If i withdraw money i want to be sure that i get it right now.
You wont really be having no problems if you do really just that simply make yourself that able to deal with those known casinos or reputable ones on which you could really be able to assure yourself that you would be getting paid up on the time that you would really making those withdrawal request, somewhat we should really be thinking that there would really be that a particular threshold on which time comes that they would really be asking something about verification or some sort on which this isnt shocking or really not that totally new considering that these places are already that centralized or under regulationsAbout KYC i said lots of times - i don`t see any problem with KYC, except KYC, when you can`t choose its time. If i withdraw money i want to be sure that i get it right now.
on which it wont really be that something new.
To make yourself not getting in shock then it would be always better that you should really be having at least the time on reading up those terms and conditions
on which you could really be able to make yourself wary about those things and wont really be shocked on the time that you've been asked out
when you do make out some request.
And don`t tell me about ToS. There are always the same thing - "The casino can KYC your any moment" with some small difference in text. I don`t see "The gambler can ask KYC himself" their.
There should be no asking about those documents and verification.If you have win up a particular big amount and as long it was hit up on a fair way then they should release it right away
wtihout questions asked. Just like on what been mentioned above that since there would really be those expecting changes like regulation then these businesses having
no choice but to comply with those things which it is true that they dont have no choice.
For us users if you dont like KYC then you could be able to skip out and look for another place which we know that we do have tons of sites
on which you can be able to choose upon.
March 06, 2024, 03:23:41 AM
No, they always mention in on their ToS that they might ask KYC anytime, now if the site doesn't mention any KYC then asked it's users, they deserve negative reputation by any means.
If a casino tries to keep their customers in the dark without clear information about ToS and plays an excuse game, the reputation of that casino is already in doubt. How transparent a casino is should be understood in advance. Gamblers are also responsible to read the ToS properly at the time of registration in any casino so that they do not face any problem with KYC in future.I agree with what you said that a gambler should be responsible for reading the TOS, because I noticed that when they don't read the TOS, that's when they have a problem and think they are right and reasonable.
And when there is an investigation, it will be seen that it will be known that the fault lies with the complainant; they will be embarrassed, and then suddenly they will say that they did not notice, but they themselves know that they are really wrong.
People should normalize to read the TOS of the casino they are playing since everything is written there so that there's no surprising things will happen and for them to be aware on any future implementation. Gamblers should know that it doesn't mean that the casino didn't ask a KYC at first they would never ask this forever since there would be sudden changes if the casino became a government policy compliance that's why its important for them to know future changes that may came so they could every prepare once they had been ask for a requirements if they ask to go in this process.
Some may hate to do KYC but since this has been a normal requirements on each reputable casino then maybe they should start to know for theirselves if they are ready to submit their details.
March 06, 2024, 02:53:55 AM
No, they always mention in on their ToS that they might ask KYC anytime, now if the site doesn't mention any KYC then asked it's users, they deserve negative reputation by any means.
If a casino tries to keep their customers in the dark without clear information about ToS and plays an excuse game, the reputation of that casino is already in doubt. How transparent a casino is should be understood in advance. Gamblers are also responsible to read the ToS properly at the time of registration in any casino so that they do not face any problem with KYC in future.I agree with what you said that a gambler should be responsible for reading the TOS, because I noticed that when they don't read the TOS, that's when they have a problem and think they are right and reasonable.
And when there is an investigation, it will be seen that it will be known that the fault lies with the complainant; they will be embarrassed, and then suddenly they will say that they did not notice, but they themselves know that they are really wrong.
March 06, 2024, 02:33:35 AM
Well, I think by now, most of us should have realized that, kyc has become a normal thing with most centralized online gambling casinos, many casinos may not have to mention kyc directly in their terms of service, but when ever they request kyc verification from a user who seems or argues that they(the casino) did not mention kyc in their term of service, you did be shocked when they will point you to the part of their terms of service that either directly or In-directly talks about kyc.
And also, let's not forget that some casinos do sometimes include rules permitting them to add or subtract rules from their terms of service at will, so, if a matter like yours was to be taken to court to be judged, and the casino have such lines as I mentioned above in their terms of services, that alone could In-directly cover for kyc.
And also, let's not forget that some casinos do sometimes include rules permitting them to add or subtract rules from their terms of service at will, so, if a matter like yours was to be taken to court to be judged, and the casino have such lines as I mentioned above in their terms of services, that alone could In-directly cover for kyc.
Yes, you are right there. All gamblers who enter crypto gambling online should be aware when it comes to KYC submission, because that's really normal, to be honest. It doesn't make any difference that you apply as an applicant; that's all.
Today's times are different because not all times are the same, so most people accept that kind of thing as long as we choose the casinos we know are legitimate, and we also learn to choose the right casino that is not just for gamblers to prey upon.
When the requirements are clearly stated in the tos and the casino used is also large casino then it is clear that there is no need to worry or feel afraid about the personal identity provided.
After all, this will all also be related to the comfort of each gambler in the casino, I sure that no gambler wants to have series of problems and no gambler wants to stall when they win big and have to complete withdrawal requirements such as KYC.
I agree with you that when you use large casino that is trusted and has good reputation, everything will still run well.
Moreover, they always provide notifications and also ask for approval from customers if there are changes to applicable rules or regulations.
March 05, 2024, 02:54:47 PM
If you read my previous posts you can see that i don`t afraid KYC. I want to have an opportunity to KYC when the gambler want. If i need money right now and i haven`t KYC yet - it take some money, mostly at least one day. If i can ask KYC myself - i don`t have such problems.
And don`t tell me about ToS. There are always the same thing - "The casino can KYC your any moment" with some small difference in text. I don`t see "The gambler can ask KYC himself" their.
Some people do really afraid about exposing their identity and there are some who dont really care at all since there's nothing that they would really be tending to hide. This is why it would really be just that depending on a certain person because we arent all sharing up on the same interest and idea in mind. The main thing on why crypto casinos did make out such noise and recognition is that because of that anonymity feature on which to those people who are privacy concerned is that they do see this stuff to be revolutionary and this is why they would really be loving and preferring on playingAnd don`t tell me about ToS. There are always the same thing - "The casino can KYC your any moment" with some small difference in text. I don`t see "The gambler can ask KYC himself" their.
on crypto casinos due to this very reason. The sad thing is that these platforms used to be fully anonymous but on the time that regulation do kicks in then they do become that strict
when it comes to implementing regulation which it would really be that affecting its users.
PS. And as for me it is naively enough to believe in anonymity in cryptocurrencies.
March 05, 2024, 09:42:28 AM
No, they always mention in on their ToS that they might ask KYC anytime, now if the site doesn't mention any KYC then asked it's users, they deserve negative reputation by any means.
As far as I can remember Bitsler has not mentioned KYC and they also usually do not ask for KYC. But once Upon a time I earned multiple times on sportsbook and they asked me to provide KYC. In this case, will it be a wise decision to tag negatively?
March 05, 2024, 09:30:00 AM
No, they always mention in on their ToS that they might ask KYC anytime, now if the site doesn't mention any KYC then asked it's users, they deserve negative reputation by any means.
As far as I can remember Bitsler has not mentioned KYC and they also usually do not ask for KYC. But once Upon a time I earned multiple times on sportsbook and they asked me to provide KYC. In this case, will it be a wise decision to tag negatively?And also, let's not forget that some casinos do sometimes include rules permitting them to add or subtract rules from their terms of service at will, so, if a matter like yours was to be taken to court to be judged, and the casino have such lines as I mentioned above in their terms of services, that alone could In-directly cover for kyc.
Yes, you are right there. All gamblers who enter crypto gambling online should be aware when it comes to KYC submission, because that's really normal, to be honest. It doesn't make any difference that you apply as an applicant; that's all.
Today's times are different because not all times are the same, so most people accept that kind of thing as long as we choose the casinos we know are legitimate, and we also learn to choose the right casino that is not just for gamblers to prey upon.
March 05, 2024, 09:14:40 AM
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It was for sure a common case on a lot of gambling casino websites, I mean it's a pretty common tactic for sure for some platforms in order to leave their users no choice but to do the KYC, personally, I dont really trust any gambling casino platform that wanted some kind of KYC because I just think that it wasn't really needed, plus giving up such information is a big risk, especially on a gambling website where there are so many scams or hacks happening, there are also a lot of cases where data are being sold, including sensitive data like this so if you're not going to be careful it could end up worst.
Just make sure to read everything before even starting to put some money on a gambling website because this could easily be the case if that is the case it's kinda your fault for not reading the details and now doing enough research on that before even starting to put some funds, It is easy to pick since there are tons of gambling websites here in the forum that are already trusted here, it could easily be a green flag if your trying or finding a good gambling website that you wanted to play with, Also most of the trusted website here doesnt required some kind of KYC at least in most of the gambling website that I tried.
I mean I dont really see KYC as a thing anymore in a lot of gambling websites since a lot of gamblers instantly don't like having some kind of KYC, probably some would be willing to on top gambling websites that they know and trust.
March 05, 2024, 08:00:08 AM
Some people do really afraid about exposing their identity and there are some who dont really care at all since there's nothing that they would really be tending to hide. This is why it would really be just that depending on a certain person because we arent all sharing up on the same interest and idea in mind. The main thing on why crypto casinos did make out such noise and recognition is that because of that anonymity feature on which to those people who are privacy concerned is that they do see this stuff to be revolutionary and this is why they would really be loving and preferring on playing
on crypto casinos due to this very reason. The sad thing is that these platforms used to be fully anonymous but on the time that regulation do kicks in then they do become that strict
when it comes to implementing regulation which it would really be that affecting its users.
I agree with you, obviously each of us has different thoughts, so when there are requirements like KYC, maybe some people don't believe it and are afraid of this, but for some people who already understand maybe they will do it and believe everyone will Just fine. It's natural that regulations are always updated because of course they also have their own goals which may be good for them, but what you say is true, sometimes new regulations have a bad impact on users. Some people might object or sort of not understand why there are new rules that they think don't make sense, but what's OK is that users don't have the right to change the rules that have been set.on crypto casinos due to this very reason. The sad thing is that these platforms used to be fully anonymous but on the time that regulation do kicks in then they do become that strict
when it comes to implementing regulation which it would really be that affecting its users.
There are some people who are very careful and are afraid that they will leave their personal identity everywhere, but when they get a win which of course can be cashed in and maybe they are required to fill in their personal identity then there is no other way but to fill it in instead of the winnings not can take. I think everyone has their own way of doing what must be done, the only thing you have to pay attention to is being careful in doing things.
March 04, 2024, 12:36:36 PM
Yes, it is. The most part of casino can be called CEX. Of course, it used with exchanges, but i don`t know how we can call the same casinos. DEX and CEX allows us to understand what we want to say.
About KYC i said lots of times - i don`t see any problem with KYC, except KYC, when you can`t choose its time. If i withdraw money i want to be sure that i get it right now.
You wont really be having no problems if you do really just that simply make yourself that able to deal with those known casinos or reputable ones on which you could really be able to assure yourself that you would be getting paid up on the time that you would really making those withdrawal request, somewhat we should really be thinking that there would really be that a particular threshold on which time comes that they would really be asking something about verification or some sort on which this isnt shocking or really not that totally new considering that these places are already that centralized or under regulationsAbout KYC i said lots of times - i don`t see any problem with KYC, except KYC, when you can`t choose its time. If i withdraw money i want to be sure that i get it right now.
on which it wont really be that something new.
To make yourself not getting in shock then it would be always better that you should really be having at least the time on reading up those terms and conditions
on which you could really be able to make yourself wary about those things and wont really be shocked on the time that you've been asked out
when you do make out some request.
And don`t tell me about ToS. There are always the same thing - "The casino can KYC your any moment" with some small difference in text. I don`t see "The gambler can ask KYC himself" their.
on crypto casinos due to this very reason. The sad thing is that these platforms used to be fully anonymous but on the time that regulation do kicks in then they do become that strict
when it comes to implementing regulation which it would really be that affecting its users.
The identity of the Peroans is something that we will always see poorly, I am one of those who do not like that I have to leave identity everywhere, because it is something that does not seem correct to me, I have enough with the banking systems and the of taxes that I have to pay that can do everything, so that a casino with similar experiences also does it when we are operating with crypto, I have always thought then what sense does it make that we are in a casino with crypto where we can't even have privacy.
I don't say anything in casinos that are fiat money that you have to leave documents, but it is quite annoying and meaningless that now to make a withdrawal in a casino you have to leave KYC, I don't agree with that, because they are Just like the exchanges, for everything it is an identification, for everything it is a problem, so that's tiring, annoying and Besides annoying , I don't like that very much, that's why I only play in casinos that I have always considered the most reliable for me.
March 04, 2024, 08:36:19 AM
Yes, it is. The most part of casino can be called CEX. Of course, it used with exchanges, but i don`t know how we can call the same casinos. DEX and CEX allows us to understand what we want to say.
About KYC i said lots of times - i don`t see any problem with KYC, except KYC, when you can`t choose its time. If i withdraw money i want to be sure that i get it right now.
You wont really be having no problems if you do really just that simply make yourself that able to deal with those known casinos or reputable ones on which you could really be able to assure yourself that you would be getting paid up on the time that you would really making those withdrawal request, somewhat we should really be thinking that there would really be that a particular threshold on which time comes that they would really be asking something about verification or some sort on which this isnt shocking or really not that totally new considering that these places are already that centralized or under regulationsAbout KYC i said lots of times - i don`t see any problem with KYC, except KYC, when you can`t choose its time. If i withdraw money i want to be sure that i get it right now.
on which it wont really be that something new.
To make yourself not getting in shock then it would be always better that you should really be having at least the time on reading up those terms and conditions
on which you could really be able to make yourself wary about those things and wont really be shocked on the time that you've been asked out
when you do make out some request.
And don`t tell me about ToS. There are always the same thing - "The casino can KYC your any moment" with some small difference in text. I don`t see "The gambler can ask KYC himself" their.
on crypto casinos due to this very reason. The sad thing is that these platforms used to be fully anonymous but on the time that regulation do kicks in then they do become that strict
when it comes to implementing regulation which it would really be that affecting its users.
March 04, 2024, 08:16:36 AM
Yes, it is. The most part of casino can be called CEX. Of course, it used with exchanges, but i don`t know how we can call the same casinos. DEX and CEX allows us to understand what we want to say.
About KYC i said lots of times - i don`t see any problem with KYC, except KYC, when you can`t choose its time. If i withdraw money i want to be sure that i get it right now.
You wont really be having no problems if you do really just that simply make yourself that able to deal with those known casinos or reputable ones on which you could really be able to assure yourself that you would be getting paid up on the time that you would really making those withdrawal request, somewhat we should really be thinking that there would really be that a particular threshold on which time comes that they would really be asking something about verification or some sort on which this isnt shocking or really not that totally new considering that these places are already that centralized or under regulationsAbout KYC i said lots of times - i don`t see any problem with KYC, except KYC, when you can`t choose its time. If i withdraw money i want to be sure that i get it right now.
on which it wont really be that something new.
To make yourself not getting in shock then it would be always better that you should really be having at least the time on reading up those terms and conditions
on which you could really be able to make yourself wary about those things and wont really be shocked on the time that you've been asked out
when you do make out some request.
And don`t tell me about ToS. There are always the same thing - "The casino can KYC your any moment" with some small difference in text. I don`t see "The gambler can ask KYC himself" their.
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