Topic: Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw - page 3. (Read 12716 times)

Glad to know you learn something from my post above. We learn everyday from observations and personal experiences. It is when we understand that all the casinos are there for business, whether old or new, reputable or non reputable that we will be more careful.
There has always been a recommendation to only play in reputable casinos, and if this happens, we are lessening competition in the industry which will surely go against the gamblers. If we all continue to patronize the older casinos, how will the new ones survive.
Myself, i play primarily on Rollbit because I owe them that patronage. I don't encounter any problems with them. But I also like to spare small bucks on new casinos.

Back to the KYC issue, according to margkaisa, special validations are always in place when you win big. Infact, I learnt that some casinos will start asking for account statements and more.

You are right bud, absolutely correct. And this is also the reason why it is always adviced that gamblers don't go depositing high or big amount of money on casinos that are new, the tendency for them to see such an amount of money and want to cheat the gambler out of the money will always be there, specially if the casino is one that is managed by people that are not financially buoyant.

And concerning old and once trusted casinos also engaging themselve in such act as trying to use kyc to cheat their users off their hard earned money, "nothing lasts forever" should be very common phrase for many of us, and to avoid being  a victim to such, or to avoid losing all your money to such casino, it is also adviced that we should never leave on our casino accounts; amount of money that we can not afford to lose, because in the end, change is still the number one thing that is constant, which means that even a well trusted casino today can turn it go rogue tomorrow.

The reputable casino's KYC procedure is very clear and easy. If you submit the correct documents for the KYC, there is every chance that your KYC will be approved. Casinos want customers and they will never want to deny the legit KYCs and restrict people from not gambling.

The problem only comes with those casinos who want to scam and do not let people withdraw and make excuses for fake KYC etc. Such casinos are either new ones whom reputation are unkown or they could be old ones too that are known for their scams. That is the reason why i avoid such casinos and gamble only at reputable ones even if i have to do a greater level of KYC, its ok to have a piece of mind. 

There is absolutely nothing weird about a reputable casino failing to complete a user's kyc verification request, the reason for the failure will usually be attached to what ever email or message they sent to the user.

For the several reputable online casinos I personally have used, they usually don't surprise their users except those that want to be surprised, that is, if you read their documents on withdrawals, they usually explain how accounts with certain level of verifications are limited to certain amount of withdrawals every 24 hours, week or month, and if you are in a low level kyc rank and are going to withdraw funds that is above the limit for that rank, you will be forced to submit documents that is required for the next level of their account verification levels, failure to submit the requested document is what usually lead to the casino's failure to verify the user and process his or her withdrawal.

        -      What I know about regulated casinos is that they usually only ask for KYC when they see that you are going to withdraw a large amount of money from their gambling platform.
And when your withdrawal transaction is really huge, they will first hold your account to verify something about the gamblers.

That's why the reputed casinos do this most of the time, but if the casino is reputed online and doesn't complete the KYC, it seems weird to me.

Your response reminds me of the thread I recently replied to where the guy complained that a well-known casino did not allow him to complete the KYC despite being willing to do so at the earliest time possible. This got me discouraged and I don't know the best advice to issue in this regard anymore. But truly, if a casino can allow you to complete the KYC as early as possible, it is the best thing to do to avoid a later issue.

As for the withdrawal, I think many of them are still very flexible about it, if you are not the type that wins too much or withdraws a huge amount of money, grace may still cover you to delay the KYC, otherwise, it's good you prepare for the worst. Nevertheless, I learned from you today about more deposit than withdrawal plans of casinos, well, it's certainly an unfair practice and I don't believe any serious regulator will allow that. This is why they ensure that companies are well-capitalised before beginning operation, so there is no good reason for that practice in a sane clime.

This is why it is always advisable to complete KYC before you play in any casino. Whenever it is related to Casino, they will only be strict during withdrawals. For the business to remain in operation, deposit must be more than withdrawal and that is why some casinos deliberately frustrate withdrawal. It is always nice to read the casino ToS as regards withdrawal and KYV before playing.

It will be very disappointing and will make people very distrustful of casinos again and lazy to play, even at other casinos that are growing into good casinos.

And we should indeed use a casino that has a clear reputation besides Stake also I often use Duelbits, Bitcasino, Rollbit because they are casinos that have been very trusted in my eyes to this day, their problem solving with several complaints from their customers is really very good.

I don't want the 1xbit incident to happen again on the forum, they built a good reputation here then they cheated a lot of people here.

Right only scam casino would  do such actions since if the player is submitting all necessary documents what they asked then there's no reason for them to cancel anything just to stop or delay the withdrawal of their user. Usually on scams are doing this since obviously they don't want people to withdraw on their casino and maybe this scam casino think that if people will be impatient in that situation they would just spend then their money and lost everything, from that they can escape on their obligation to those people who request a withdrawal in their casino.

Cases like this really happen that's why this is one of the reason why we should not gamble on unknown casino so we can avoid experiencing this situation. Choose only the best or reputable since for sure we cannot experience that and we can gamble without worrying anything since for sure trusted casino will comply anything especially if they legitimately request for withdrawals.

Only scammy casino would do this but if you play only on reputable casino such as Stake then you don’t need to worry about this issue as long as your document that you will submit is clear and eligible to the casino requirements.

The scammy casino tactics confused already the general public about the KYC. This thread also created a messy discussion that leads to more confusion. Just play on trusted casino and you will never have an issue regarding the KYC.

It’s just such sudden transitions from the fact that KYC was not required, and as soon as the player begins to withdraw his money to his wallet, then suddenly KYC becomes necessary, and are that disgusting action on the part of the casino that can completely ruin all the high and festive mood  player that arose after winning.  In my opinion, this is generally one of the most serious problems in the entire gambling industry with payments in cryptocurrencies.  And since payments are made in cryptocurrencies, such a problem should not have existed at all, in principle, based on the status of the cryptocurrencies themselves.  However, over the past decades, regulators from different countries and anti-money laundering fighters have simply come up with it for all of us.  And now, out of nowhere, they have created an extra problem for all the players. 
And the question arises: why the hell was this done and who came up with all this?

Not at all yet there would really be those old and known sites does reject KYC submission by those players who do have some pending withdrawals or issues.
Take a look on this one. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5503427 This is recent and despite of submitting those valid documents or ID but still it was rejected without
being explained on whats the reason behind such fail on accepting. Somehow, when you do deal up with old or known site then you could really be at least having that kind of confidence
that issues could really be that resolved but on the time or moment that you do find yourself dealing up with new sites then high chances that you are being scammed by such platform.

For those sudden transitions from non KYC to KYC then it would really be just that normal because platforms or business such as this would really be having that kind of
huge amount of money that goes inside and out then you could really expect that regulation and licensing would really be that needed and this is why users of such
sites will really be ending up on complying these things.

I don't know of any casinos like this, but the way it might be done is quite logical by canceling the KYC of the user who is going to make a withdrawal, but it might also happen that the country of the user is prohibited in that casino which can cancel the acceptance of KYC, or it could be unclear or whatever even without providing information.

But it would be a pity if there are casinos that do such fraudulent tricks to their users, it is very embarrassing and I am today becoming more careful in using new gambling sites, this makes a little scared, because after all the data provided to the casino is personal data and it is very important to protect.

I see the "untrusted" remark to be a reason for a restraint, any casino you do not have a high degree of trust in should not be considered for registering not to mention submitting your details and documents with them. This is especially the new ones that are just sprouting up like mushrooms and the old ones that are not reputable with too many complaints by people.

People are victims of data leaks daily and most of them will never be known by the victims. They may just be leaked for some purposes, especially for email and phone numbers where you might not know it's from them. In rare cases, some bad actors may find a way to clone the passport ID of another simply because they are privy to their data, we've heard and read enough of the risks associated with this KYC. Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about it, it's the government and the casinos that are cutting the shot here.

The saddest part is that the government that mandated it is not proactively responsible for its proper regulation under some strict conditions. They might build a bridge where any government-approved casinos will not get the data directly but from the government data bank. The casino platform will only be a bridge to accept it while the government do the verification and gives the casino the signal whether it is verified or not. This will reduce data falling into the wrong hands.

This is actually a tactic that some casinos use in order to try to avoid paying to money they owe to their clients, they know very well that the documents that were submitted to them are legitimate, but they use dilatory tactics hoping that at some point the gambler will get desperate and gamble their money away.

And the tactic seems to be effective, as it is relatively common to read the complaints of casinos customers that had this happen to them and lost all the money they had won at the time.

That's right actually, and besides, a reputable and trustworthy platform will not reject a user's kyc verification request without telling the reason why the documents the user submitted for the kyc verification is being rejected, any platform that reject a user's kyc request without stating the reason why the request is being rejected is either bugged, or the platform have some interior motives, which basically might be to frustrate the user into giving up his or her withdrawal request, but go ahead to gamble away the funds instead.

But again, like you rightly said, all this can be avoided by simply choosing to play on a reputable casino where paying their customers winning isnt a problem to them regardless of the amount of money involved.

No matter what ultra-reliable casino you choose, there is still a possibility of troubles or red tape in the process of withdrawing your funds from the casino to your wallet.  There may also be repeated KYC, even though you have previously provided your personal data to this casino.  By the way, it is the realization that almost always you begin the process of withdrawing a lot of money from the casino to your account and in the background you still think about what other nasty things you can expect from the casino.  And this applies to any casino and a large famous one, and if there are suspicions that the casino is operating semi-legally, or even more so that the casino owners are scammers, all these unpleasant actions are amplified a hundred times over. 
All this is clearly a negative component of such a wonderful entertainment as gambling.

There are cases that it will be denied if the picture of your ID is blur or each side has not been presented well. But other cases than that if everything has been fulfilled then I guess there's no point for casino to denied your KYC verification. I can only see this happening to those site which do delaying tactics so that what people request especially withdrawal will take time or just denied the withdrawal made by that person.

Trusted casino didn't do any further more issues if they see that all documents has been presented well that's why its good to choose reputable casino so that we can avoid any problems regarding on this matter.

Awful cryptocurrency exchange. Even without KYC it is one of the worst exchanges i`ve used.
I was KYCed very often and can say that several times i was KYCed about a week. It was videocall, with asking the questions about gambling, why i decided to make such a bet, the football rules, etc.
It is only about good, well-known casinos. Twice i was KYCed about a month and got decreased withdrawal limits, with wagering requirements. As the result i withdraw my money about 2 months. It was less than $1000.

This is my stand on this because I have done KYC in reputable casinos and it is always easy and fast. The process and requirements are all spelt out and when met, the KYC is approved.

My conclusion in the matter is that any casino that will allow users to make deposits without KYC but will require KYC to make withdrawals is definitely a big red flag for me. It is either you make it clear that KYC must be done before deposit/withdrawals or it should not be required at all. This way, it is easier for the gambler to fulfill the requirements from the beginning or look for other alternatives.