Topic: Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw - page 4. (Read 12721 times)

Quote from: mak013 on July 22, 2024, 02:09:31 AM

If you play in good casino you don`t lose your money but lose your time. It is bad, but it is better than losing your money in unknown cheating casino.

I don't understand what you mean by losing time if one play in good casino because definitely time is required to play in casino and I don't consider such time as being lost because it is invested in something worthwhile. What I understand as losing time is when someone engages in activities that does not bring back anything meaningful and casino does not qualify as that because people do win massively.

I mean that you spend some time for KYC but as the result you`ll get your money. You can lose several days, waiting KYC and your money. Most times i KYCed in 1-2 days, but there were several situations when it took about a week.

For me though, I've never had to submit my kyc documents for verification on any platform and had to wait up to a week, by any platform, i mean gambling casinos actually, but talk about crypto exchanges, the exchanges platform where it got them that much time (over a week actually) to get my account verified after I've submitted kyc documents they requested fo, was XT.com exchange, yeah, and I did not actually make a big deal of it since beforehand, I understood that they are one of the shitty exchanges around.

Coming back to passing kyc verification on gambling casinos, I would say that majorly all good casinos processes their customers kyc verification request within a day or maximum of 3 days if late, any casino that takes longer than this to verify their users kyc information is shitty to me.

So far I have one verified gambling account only which is my Stake's account, it was not a long process since my account was verified within few hours only.
Of course the speed of the verification process will be depending on some factors, the most crucial one is the human resources on the platform who are in charge to do the verification process.
The more staffs (both in number and experience) who is handling it = the faster verification process IMO.
I have not done other KYC in other casinos so I have no idea about average speed, but I have to agree that such verification process should not be done in more than 3 working days.

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If you play in good casino you don`t lose your money but lose your time. It is bad, but it is better than losing your money in unknown cheating casino.

I don't understand what you mean by losing time if one play in good casino because definitely time is required to play in casino and I don't consider such time as being lost because it is invested in something worthwhile. What I understand as losing time is when someone engages in activities that does not bring back anything meaningful and casino does not qualify as that because people do win massively.

I mean that you spend some time for KYC but as the result you`ll get your money. You can lose several days, waiting KYC and your money. Most times i KYCed in 1-2 days, but there were several situations when it took about a week.

For me though, I've never had to submit my kyc documents for verification on any platform and had to wait up to a week, by any platform, i mean gambling casinos actually, but talk about crypto exchanges, the exchanges platform where it got them that much time (over a week actually) to get my account verified after I've submitted kyc documents they requested fo, was XT.com exchange, yeah, and I did not actually make a big deal of it since beforehand, I understood that they are one of the shitty exchanges around.

Coming back to passing kyc verification on gambling casinos, I would say that majorly all good casinos processes their customers kyc verification request within a day or maximum of 3 days if late, any casino that takes longer than this to verify their users kyc information is shitty to me.

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If you play in good casino you don`t lose your money but lose your time. It is bad, but it is better than losing your money in unknown cheating casino.

I don't understand what you mean by losing time if one play in good casino because definitely time is required to play in casino and I don't consider such time as being lost because it is invested in something worthwhile. What I understand as losing time is when someone engages in activities that does not bring back anything meaningful and casino does not qualify as that because people do win massively.

I mean that you spend some time for KYC but as the result you`ll get your money. You can lose several days, waiting KYC and your money. Most times i KYCed in 1-2 days, but there were several situations when it took about a week.

If it is possible - try to KYC yourself. If casino doesn`t give you such opportunity - you can try to make several small withdrawals. Mostly casino will KYC you. Same time you can check new casino for cheating.

Casinos that ask for KYC after winning generally fo that to cheat because they know that the funds they are performing KYC for came from their platform. Making smaller withdrawals can be a good option but bad casinos will not give that option.

It is so, but if there is such opportunity it would be better to use it.

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I understand the challenge with submitting KYC to untrusted platforms but the truth is that the advantages of playing in a casino that request for KYC during registration is higher than those that does not require KYC but might turn around to ask for it when there is heavy winning. That attitude is a sign of irresponsibility wrapped under criminal intentions. There have been countless cases of people losing significant income due to casinos requesting KYC after winning; I consider this a deliberate attempt to steal people's fund.

If you play in good casino you don`t lose your money but lose your time. It is bad, but it is better than losing your money in unknown cheating casino.

I don't understand what you mean by losing time if one play in good casino because definitely time is required to play in casino and I don't consider such time as being lost because it is invested in something worthwhile. What I understand as losing time is when someone engages in activities that does not bring back anything meaningful and casino does not qualify as that because people do win massively.

If it is possible - try to KYC yourself. If casino doesn`t give you such opportunity - you can try to make several small withdrawals. Mostly casino will KYC you. Same time you can check new casino for cheating.

Casinos that ask for KYC after winning generally fo that to cheat because they know that the funds they are performing KYC for came from their platform. Making smaller withdrawals can be a good option but bad casinos will not give that option.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on July 11, 2024, 12:57:18 PM

I understand the challenge with submitting KYC to untrusted platforms but the truth is that the advantages of playing in a casino that request for KYC during registration is higher than those that does not require KYC

Why would someone submit his personal documents to an untrusted platform! You should not even play there, let alone entrusting them with your personal information.

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There have been countless cases of people losing significant income due to casinos requesting KYC after winning; I consider this a deliberate attempt to steal people's fund.

The problem is not with the KYC requirement itself. The problem is with shady/scam service providers (ab)using it as an excuse to seize customers' funds.
Just play at a reputable casinos and don't break any of their rules and you should be fine whether they request kyc or not.

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Gambling casinos could come in different forms base on what they want and how effective they have seen the outcome to what they are putting out as plan, KYC is what makes them to identify the identity of the owner of an account, juet as we are all aware of how hackers can make attempt on taking over some users gambling account if there is no any verification process set in place in knowing the real owner.

I thought this thread borders more on the adnormality and wrong doing of casinos against their players, such as unlawful demand for KYC and also demanding to an impossible KYC documents, and even when their are provided, the casino still choose not to get those accounts verified and free to operate.
This is what we are discussing on this thread and not the aim of KYC demands from casino's, off course KYC is the way for platforms to identify their clients and also help them to protect their accounts from untroder that may come in any form, gambling space have it own. Security challenge and there is no doubt the fact that the need to identify each player is most important and required but even at that, some casinos deliberately refuse to get their customers through verification because of their own goal of scamming the money.

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Quote from: Onyeeze on July 20, 2024, 07:22:52 AM

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from what I seen in gambling platform and other casinos that doesn't require KYC is that they will still demand verification when you win a larger amount in their platform, sometimes when you win a larger amount their is a possibility that you will not grant access for withdrawal when you have not done KYC, that's why is good to skip some of the casinos platform or website that doesn't require KYC at the initial stage, and some of them that says that KYC-is not required are the casinos platform that gives nightmare when you are able to win huge amount of money in their platform. If you have the opportunity to do your KYC in casinos platform please don't hesitate to do so.

Even if you play on gambling platforms or casinos that do not ask for KYC, when you win a large amount you will be asked to complete the verification process. Should you have won significantly without having completed KYC, there is a chance that the winning amount cannot be withdrawn back to your account. Not being able to cash out your winnings in this scenario can indeed be exasperating since typically one would want to revel in their windfall.

In order to escape this issue, it is better to stay away from some platforms that do not ask for KYC. Most of these platforms might seem easy at the beginning only but if you actually hit big, it can turn into a horror story because withdrawals can be quite complicated. A few of such platforms that don't require KYC include Bitcasino.io and FortuneJack.

If ever you chance upon a casino platform that allows you to undertake KYC, it is best to go ahead with it. Even though the KYC process might require some time and effort, but rest assured that it ensures when you strike it big, the withdrawal of your funds would be hassle-free. Through the KYC process, you ascertain the safety of your account and its adherence to regulations, this in turn guarantees a peaceful gaming experience where your mind is free to enjoy.

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Quote from: mak013 on July 20, 2024, 01:07:42 AM

Money laundering mostly stops by wagering requirements. Casino KYC you if they have doubts in your honesty. Unfortunately, such doubts they have if you begin to win. And they have no any doubts when you deposit money.
On one hand - there is nothing to be afraid in KYC. On the other hand - today KYC is used mostly against gamblers, not for its real purpose.

The reason why most person are all very serious about their KYC is because most of the time some casino do sell it out but although some of the casino that do that are the ones with no reputation at all but even at that many gambler are still very conscious of the data they do submit to the casino. But like you said there is actually no need to panic if you are clear beside it's a matter of seconds or minute for the verification of the details you submit for reputable casino.

I understand the challenge with submitting KYC to untrusted platforms but the truth is that the advantages of playing in a casino that request for KYC during registration is higher than those that does not require KYC but might turn around to ask for it when there is heavy winning. That attitude is a sign of irresponsibility wrapped under criminal intentions. There have been countless cases of people losing significant income due to casinos requesting KYC after winning; I consider this a deliberate attempt to steal people's fund.

If you play in good casino you don`t lose your money but lose your time. It is bad, but it is better than losing your money in unknown cheating casino. If it is possible - try to KYC yourself. If casino doesn`t give you such opportunity - you can try to make several small withdrawals. Mostly casino will KYC you. Same time you can check new casino for cheating.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on July 18, 2024, 10:52:29 AM

Quote from: mak013 on July 18, 2024, 08:35:57 AM

Exactly. Choosing casino we can only increase or decrease the chance of losing our data but no one can give you 100% guarantee of safety.
And i can`t understand people who spend several days choosing the casino but sharing their data without any doubts with new unknown delivery.

That's riskier if I must say, as we can imagine how we still feel better secure with a casino that is well-known and reputable and that has enough liquidity and a huge customer base compared to the one that just sprout up today, who knows their intention? Even the desperation of many of them these days would have called for suspicious. Although I've stopped opening with such casinos no matter what they want to offer me but some people who continues to open with them always hint that they are receiving some unsolicited calls and emails from different companies seeking business with them. Who doesn't know their data has been leaked?

About the KYC's ability to leak our data, you are right, our data can't be 100% safe once it leaves our side, not even in the most secure facilities. I know the government knows that, it's just that they do not care since what they are trying to achieve with KYC outweighs some leaks that can come through it. They take that as the collateral damage.

I`m old enough and i prefer to save my money. If i have a choose between well-known casino with less odds and unknown casino with big odds and different bonuses - i choose well-known casino. Gambling enough riskier as for me, i don`t want to worry about casino and my money also.

Good choice! Internet is too risky these days to be foolish with the casinos we are dealing with and this is not limited to casinos but all facets of life. If you see blue on the internet at times, you should not be surprised that it's rather purple, so it's wise we know where our money goes so that we can at least have a rest of mind aside from the main task ahead of us that is still more tasking than even the selection of the right place to bet with. Many establishments are there whose primary purpose is to scam.

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Money laundering mostly stops by wagering requirements. Casino KYC you if they have doubts in your honesty. Unfortunately, such doubts they have if you begin to win. And they have no any doubts when you deposit money.
On one hand - there is nothing to be afraid in KYC. On the other hand - today KYC is used mostly against gamblers, not for its real purpose.

The reason why most person are all very serious about their KYC is because most of the time some casino do sell it out but although some of the casino that do that are the ones with no reputation at all but even at that many gambler are still very conscious of the data they do submit to the casino. But like you said there is actually no need to panic if you are clear beside it's a matter of seconds or minute for the verification of the details you submit for reputable casino.

I understand the challenge with submitting KYC to untrusted platforms but the truth is that the advantages of playing in a casino that request for KYC during registration is higher than those that does not require KYC but might turn around to ask for it when there is heavy winning. That attitude is a sign of irresponsibility wrapped under criminal intentions. There have been countless cases of people losing significant income due to casinos requesting KYC after winning; I consider this a deliberate attempt to steal people's fund.

from what I seen in gambling platform and other casinos that doesn't require KYC is that they will still demand verification when you win a larger amount in their platform, sometimes when you win a larger amount their is a possibility that you will not grant access for withdrawal when you have not done KYC, that's why is good to skip some of the casinos platform or website that doesn't require KYC at the initial stage, and some of them that says that KYC-is not required are the casinos platform that gives nightmare when you are able to win huge amount of money in their platform. If you have the opportunity to do your KYC in casinos platform please don't hesitate to do so.

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Money laundering mostly stops by wagering requirements. Casino KYC you if they have doubts in your honesty. Unfortunately, such doubts they have if you begin to win. And they have no any doubts when you deposit money.
On one hand - there is nothing to be afraid in KYC. On the other hand - today KYC is used mostly against gamblers, not for its real purpose.

The reason why most person are all very serious about their KYC is because most of the time some casino do sell it out but although some of the casino that do that are the ones with no reputation at all but even at that many gambler are still very conscious of the data they do submit to the casino. But like you said there is actually no need to panic if you are clear beside it's a matter of seconds or minute for the verification of the details you submit for reputable casino.

I understand the challenge with submitting KYC to untrusted platforms but the truth is that the advantages of playing in a casino that request for KYC during registration is higher than those that does not require KYC but might turn around to ask for it when there is heavy winning. That attitude is a sign of irresponsibility wrapped under criminal intentions. There have been countless cases of people losing significant income due to casinos requesting KYC after winning; I consider this a deliberate attempt to steal people's fund.

I erase any thoughts to do KYC on untrusted platforms since I don't want to experience any trouble when there's data leaking happens.

Also the advantage I see on KYC implemented on reputable casino are Account security and easy verification regarding if there's verification towards our big winnings which is you have mentioned. Also it can drive out those criminals to use the legitimate platform since they cannot do their evil plans on those casino. That's why I'm fine with KYC now since somehow I understand that reputable casino need to do this for legal compliance reasons. Those cases you mentioned will be avoidable if there's certain protection installed on your account although it can't guarantee a total safety, but anyone can't move huge fund easily without being flagged by the casino.

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Money laundering mostly stops by wagering requirements. Casino KYC you if they have doubts in your honesty. Unfortunately, such doubts they have if you begin to win. And they have no any doubts when you deposit money.
On one hand - there is nothing to be afraid in KYC. On the other hand - today KYC is used mostly against gamblers, not for its real purpose.

The reason why most person are all very serious about their KYC is because most of the time some casino do sell it out but although some of the casino that do that are the ones with no reputation at all but even at that many gambler are still very conscious of the data they do submit to the casino. But like you said there is actually no need to panic if you are clear beside it's a matter of seconds or minute for the verification of the details you submit for reputable casino.

I understand the challenge with submitting KYC to untrusted platforms but the truth is that the advantages of playing in a casino that request for KYC during registration is higher than those that does not require KYC but might turn around to ask for it when there is heavy winning. That attitude is a sign of irresponsibility wrapped under criminal intentions. There have been countless cases of people losing significant income due to casinos requesting KYC after winning; I consider this a deliberate attempt to steal people's fund.

There would really be that main difference in between a known site and unknown one on which on the moment that you do find yourself making some KYC on a new site then it would really be
giving out that kind of hesitance or hindrance.Whereas, it would really be that different when you do deal up with known or reputable site on which you would really be having that kind of feeling of assurance
that those information wont really be that leaked or be used something else but actually this isnt really that right. It do really happens that they've been trusted up by the community but doesnt mean that
they are really that being trusted totally in all the things that they are doing. We dont know on where those information been stored up and we dont know if those things will really be leaked or not.

This is why on the the moment that you do submit those information then expect that those things are already leaked on which its not that shocking anymore. So it would really be on someones personal choice
on how you would really be taking up this thing seriously.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on July 18, 2024, 10:52:29 AM

Money laundering mostly stops by wagering requirements. Casino KYC you if they have doubts in your honesty. Unfortunately, such doubts they have if you begin to win. And they have no any doubts when you deposit money.
On one hand - there is nothing to be afraid in KYC. On the other hand - today KYC is used mostly against gamblers, not for its real purpose.

The reason why most person are all very serious about their KYC is because most of the time some casino do sell it out but although some of the casino that do that are the ones with no reputation at all but even at that many gambler are still very conscious of the data they do submit to the casino. But like you said there is actually no need to panic if you are clear beside it's a matter of seconds or minute for the verification of the details you submit for reputable casino.

I understand the challenge with submitting KYC to untrusted platforms but the truth is that the advantages of playing in a casino that request for KYC during registration is higher than those that does not require KYC but might turn around to ask for it when there is heavy winning. That attitude is a sign of irresponsibility wrapped under criminal intentions. There have been countless cases of people losing significant income due to casinos requesting KYC after winning; I consider this a deliberate attempt to steal people's fund.

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Quote from: mak013 on July 18, 2024, 08:35:57 AM

Exactly. Choosing casino we can only increase or decrease the chance of losing our data but no one can give you 100% guarantee of safety.
And i can`t understand people who spend several days choosing the casino but sharing their data without any doubts with new unknown delivery.

That's riskier if I must say, as we can imagine how we still feel better secure with a casino that is well-known and reputable and that has enough liquidity and a huge customer base compared to the one that just sprout up today, who knows their intention? Even the desperation of many of them these days would have called for suspicious. Although I've stopped opening with such casinos no matter what they want to offer me but some people who continues to open with them always hint that they are receiving some unsolicited calls and emails from different companies seeking business with them. Who doesn't know their data has been leaked?

About the KYC's ability to leak our data, you are right, our data can't be 100% safe once it leaves our side, not even in the most secure facilities. I know the government knows that, it's just that they do not care since what they are trying to achieve with KYC outweighs some leaks that can come through it. They take that as the collateral damage.

I`m old enough and i prefer to save my money. If i have a choose between well-known casino with less odds and unknown casino with big odds and different bonuses - i choose well-known casino. Gambling enough riskier as for me, i don`t want to worry about casino and my money also.

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Quote from: mak013 on July 18, 2024, 08:35:57 AM

Quote from: arwin100 on July 17, 2024, 08:17:33 AM

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I always repeat that my words don`t mean that you ought to share your data with everybody. The main reason i talking about it is that the main part of fears i see is that casino can steal your data. Nope. Any organization which get your data can steal it. They just don`t name it KYC.

Any platform have your data can steal it. That's why aside for knowing that they implement KYC to their platform. We should know also if that casino or platform is trusted since this is at least we could do to know if we can potentially avoid any data breaching risk or anything negative you can imagine

If people still got bothered about this and they keep freaking out their selves about the risk of this KYC situations then I guess this things is not really meant for them. Then they better decide to stop their activity since maybe taking activities online especially participating on such conditions is not really meant for them.

Exactly. Choosing casino we can only increase or decrease the chance of losing our data but no one can give you 100% guarantee of safety.
And i can`t understand people who spend several days choosing the casino but sharing their data without any doubts with new unknown delivery.

That's riskier if I must say, as we can imagine how we still feel better secure with a casino that is well-known and reputable and that has enough liquidity and a huge customer base compared to the one that just sprout up today, who knows their intention? Even the desperation of many of them these days would have called for suspicious. Although I've stopped opening with such casinos no matter what they want to offer me but some people who continues to open with them always hint that they are receiving some unsolicited calls and emails from different companies seeking business with them. Who doesn't know their data has been leaked?

About the KYC's ability to leak our data, you are right, our data can't be 100% safe once it leaves our side, not even in the most secure facilities. I know the government knows that, it's just that they do not care since what they are trying to achieve with KYC outweighs some leaks that can come through it. They take that as the collateral damage.

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Quote from: arwin100 on July 17, 2024, 08:17:33 AM

I always repeat that my words don`t mean that you ought to share your data with everybody. The main reason i talking about it is that the main part of fears i see is that casino can steal your data. Nope. Any organization which get your data can steal it. They just don`t name it KYC.

Any platform have your data can steal it. That's why aside for knowing that they implement KYC to their platform. We should know also if that casino or platform is trusted since this is at least we could do to know if we can potentially avoid any data breaching risk or anything negative you can imagine

If people still got bothered about this and they keep freaking out their selves about the risk of this KYC situations then I guess this things is not really meant for them. Then they better decide to stop their activity since maybe taking activities online especially participating on such conditions is not really meant for them.

Exactly. Choosing casino we can only increase or decrease the chance of losing our data but no one can give you 100% guarantee of safety.
And i can`t understand people who spend several days choosing the casino but sharing their data without any doubts with new unknown delivery.

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Quote from: delfastTions on July 16, 2024, 02:26:52 AM

Quote from: mak013 on July 16, 2024, 02:08:30 AM

You share your data everyday - social networks, delivery services, banks, etc. But you think that only casino can sell your data. And you can`t don`t share your data if you want to make your life more comfortable.
The best way is to think that your data is sold. Take care about your bank cards and mobile phone, use 2FA and sms confirmations.
That`s why i say don`t be afraid of KYC.

By and large, the widespread introduction of non-cash payments has almost completely eliminated the element of anonymity in payments. And you are right that it has become impossible to carry out banking transactions or payments using plastic cards without identifying the payer. But such human actions as universally disclosing one’s identity to just anyone, including any shady or even fraudulent casino, cannot be considered normal. It’s just that you immediately provide information about yourself that other businesses may not know about you. This is information about your gambling habits.
That's all. Leaks are inevitable. And at least above all, the mobile phone is polluted with contextual targeted advertising. But is this really what you need in your life? Most likely this is clearly unnecessary for you.
Therefore, you still shouldn’t provide KYC verification data to just anyone and on their recommendation or even on the first request.

I always repeat that my words don`t mean that you ought to share your data with everybody. The main reason i talking about it is that the main part of fears i see is that casino can steal your data. Nope. Any organization which get your data can steal it. They just don`t name it KYC.

Any platform have your data can steal it. That's why aside for knowing that they implement KYC to their platform. We should know also if that casino or platform is trusted since this is at least we could do to know if we can potentially avoid any data breaching risk or anything negative you can imagine

If people still got bothered about this and they keep freaking out their selves about the risk of this KYC situations then I guess this things is not really meant for them. Then they better decide to stop their activity since maybe taking activities online especially participating on such conditions is not really meant for them.

In general, it’s true that in order to avoid any leaks of your Personal data to the network, you just need to retire to a remote forest where there is no mobile connection and live there in a hut, forgetting that there is the Internet. And in all other cases, data about you begins to spread online literally from the very first time you turn on your new mobile phone. This is data that you started using it. And if necessary, you can easily be identified using billing, phone ID and other identifiers, and this is all now elementary. But information about you as a gambler is what the casino is interested in in order to send you targeted advertising. Of course they want you as their client. In my opinion, in a large number of cases of personal data collection and leakage to the network, which inevitably happens, advertising technologies and advertising targeting are now more important than anything else.
I'm certainly not talking about the criminal use of personal data. This is a separate topic for discussion and it differs greatly in different countries of the world.

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