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We are not totally safe at all even if we choose those reputable casino since even government data is hackable so this data leaking could possible happen to those reputable casino since we don't know on how long they remain reputable since there would be fall down in their business especially if they can't adopt to the changes of their target market especially on new technology introduce on casinos.

If we know for ourselves that we are vulnerable since we are well known individual or known to have a lot of asset then I guess gambling maybe is not for us since we will be the target of possible attacks since our data's would be sellable to those criminals used other information just to take advantage on certain situation. What only thing we can do here is we need to be prepared on situation and think about next action if data leaking will happen to the site we are participating in.
If you ask me, I did tell you that only the dead is safe or save as long life and live in this world is concerned.
I've heard a story of a man who slept and dreamt that he died and was being buried in the dream, that morning, he woke up and said that he will be staying at home all through that day, because probably, death have set trap for him on the road, which is why he had that dream. And later on, just some few hours into the day, he was just coming outside from inside his house, a cow skull he hung on the ceiling lose and the sharp end pierced into his head, he was rushed to the village hospital but he later did not make it, he died that same day.

The above is actually a true live story, and what that teaches us is that, what ever have been destined to happen will surely happen, no matter what we do or avold, if its been destined that your personal information or document will appear in the hands of criminals, that we surely happen no matter how far you run away from casinos where kyc is must Grin, but on the other hand, if it's destined that such will never happen to you, then kyc even with an untrusted casino, your personal data and information will surely remain safe.

So, personally, I feel that what we owe ourselves is to make sure to avoid casinos we know that is generally distrusted, we should only kyc on reputable and well-trusted casinos, every other thing is in the hands of our creator(God).
The story is funny but true and I can relate that to what we are focusing on in this thread and with the topic,  this is very often the situation with things around with life and how we choose to exist and chase through with life,  indeed whatever is meant to happen surely will happen,  and for the man I think he was active enough to have seen his death coming and many people who had similar dream will rather spend the whole day praying for diversion of the outcome of such dream.

Well, you know I tried to cut the story as short as possible, the man in question is not a Christian, and neither is he a Muslim, this story is not of something that happens last year, or last upper year, it's actually something that happens several year ago in my village when Christianity was still non-existent, remember those days when our fore fathers worshipped idols as their god, I was not yet born when that happened, it was my late father who told me the story actually  Grin.

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When it comes to KYC I also agree that each individual has their luck on the casino because I have come across a member here in the forum, whom we use the same casino while the casino demands him to go through KYC account creation,  the casino has never asked me for the same KYC since I have been using them now for over a year and this has not to change anything yet aside just nu email verifications.
You are right, completely agree with you, but you also know that sometimes, it still boils down to how much money one is gambling with, or how much the gambler won and is trying to withdraw from the casino.

Some casinos do have a limit to amount of money a non-kyc user can have in their account, and also, an amount of money the gambler can withdraw with being asked to pass kyc verification.
But immediately such gambler exceeds or crossed that limit, the casino will ask the gambler to pass kyc verification, else, his or her withdrawal request may likely not be processed, and the player may likely not be allowed to keep playing.

So, looking at it from this angle, I did say that it's not completely out or because of luck, but simply because you have not reached and exceeded the set limit for non-kyced users, while the member you talked about has, this is why he or she was asked to pass kyc verification, while you was not asked to do the same.
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We are not totally safe at all even if we choose those reputable casino since even government data is hackable so this data leaking could possible happen to those reputable casino since we don't know on how long they remain reputable since there would be fall down in their business especially if they can't adopt to the changes of their target market especially on new technology introduce on casinos.

If we know for ourselves that we are vulnerable since we are well known individual or known to have a lot of asset then I guess gambling maybe is not for us since we will be the target of possible attacks since our data's would be sellable to those criminals used other information just to take advantage on certain situation. What only thing we can do here is we need to be prepared on situation and think about next action if data leaking will happen to the site we are participating in.
If you ask me, I did tell you that only the dead is safe or save as long life and live in this world is concerned.
I've heard a story of a man who slept and dreamt that he died and was being buried in the dream, that morning, he woke up and said that he will be staying at home all through that day, because probably, death have set trap for him on the road, which is why he had that dream. And later on, just some few hours into the day, he was just coming outside from inside his house, a cow skull he hung on the ceiling lose and the sharp end pierced into his head, he was rushed to the village hospital but he later did not make it, he died that same day.

The above is actually a true live story, and what that teaches us is that, what ever have been destined to happen will surely happen, no matter what we do or avold, if its been destined that your personal information or document will appear in the hands of criminals, that we surely happen no matter how far you run away from casinos where kyc is must Grin, but on the other hand, if it's destined that such will never happen to you, then kyc even with an untrusted casino, your personal data and information will surely remain safe.

So, personally, I feel that what we owe ourselves is to make sure to avoid casinos we know that is generally distrusted, we should only kyc on reputable and well-trusted casinos, every other thing is in the hands of our creator(God).
The story is funny but true and I can relate that to what we are focusing on in this thread and with the topic,  this is very often the situation with things around with life and how we choose to exist and chase through with life,  indeed whatever is meant to happen surely will happen,  and for the man I think he was active enough to have seen his death coming and many people who had similar dream will rather spend the whole day praying for diversion of the outcome of such dream.

When it comes to KYC I also agree that each individual has their luck on the casino because I have come across a member here in the forum, whom we use the same casino while the casino demands him to go through KYC account creation,  the casino has never asked me for the same KYC since I have been using them now for over a year and this has not to change anything yet aside just nu email verifications.
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I'm pretty sure I've made this point already in this thread, but if you're gambling, you're likely hoping that you hit some crazy winning streak or maybe a monster win on a slot machine to make yourself millions right?  Well, if that's your plan then you have to assume that no casino is going to let you withdraw millions of dollars without doing some sort of KYC.  So if you're gambling without KYC for whatever reason and you aren't going to be able to provide that for whatever reason, you are limiting yourself to only losing.  That isn't a winning strategy in my book.
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Yes, unless it's a minimum million dollar case, the police won't waste time investigating them.  So kyc for gambling, holding or trading with low amount should not be a fear for you.  But one fear is that many casino sites sell users' documents on the black market to perform illegal activities, so you have to be careful about this.  And for this reason, a reputable casino site should be used so that you can be safe from all aspects.  Illegal operators buy documents from users for high fees that many sites cannot afford and sell the documents to them.  So it is better to use reputable sites
I doubt with casino reputation will sell their user document on the back market illegal activities because they won't loss their reputation have build hard by selling data without much valuable, in my country have many time data publishing and selling in the black market due some of government side exactly take down by the hacker and not really huge impact when your data publishing or selling. Some casino have good protect with document user and not easily will publish exactly sell to black market forum, its impossible with any trusted casino have been publishing with their user document. Don't really afraid if want be part of casino user you have allow with the rule or term of service casino require with KYC.
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We are not totally safe at all even if we choose those reputable casino since even government data is hackable so this data leaking could possible happen to those reputable casino since we don't know on how long they remain reputable since there would be fall down in their business especially if they can't adopt to the changes of their target market especially on new technology introduce on casinos.

If we know for ourselves that we are vulnerable since we are well known individual or known to have a lot of asset then I guess gambling maybe is not for us since we will be the target of possible attacks since our data's would be sellable to those criminals used other information just to take advantage on certain situation. What only thing we can do here is we need to be prepared on situation and think about next action if data leaking will happen to the site we are participating in.
If you ask me, I did tell you that only the dead is safe or save as long life and live in this world is concerned.
I've heard a story of a man who slept and dreamt that he died and was being buried in the dream, that morning, he woke up and said that he will be staying at home all through that day, because probably, death have set trap for him on the road, which is why he had that dream. And later on, just some few hours into the day, he was just coming outside from inside his house, a cow skull he hung on the ceiling lose and the sharp end pierced into his head, he was rushed to the village hospital but he later did not make it, he died that same day.

The above is actually a true live story, and what that teaches us is that, what ever have been destined to happen will surely happen, no matter what we do or avold, if its been destined that your personal information or document will appear in the hands of criminals, that we surely happen no matter how far you run away from casinos where kyc is must Grin, but on the other hand, if it's destined that such will never happen to you, then kyc even with an untrusted casino, your personal data and information will surely remain safe.

So, personally, I feel that what we owe ourselves is to make sure to avoid casinos we know that is generally distrusted, we should only kyc on reputable and well trusted casinos, every other thing is in the hands of our creator(God).
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Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.
I don't perfectly understand where you are coming from or where exactly you are driving to, but let me say that, police catching a bitcoiner has nothing to do with the bitcoiner's identity online, police come face to face with alot of people everyday, and if you give them a reason to catch you, they will, that has nothing to do with whether you submitted your kyc document to any entity who then reported to the police that you are into crypto or a gambler.

Myself is from a country where bitcoin transactions are banned, or were banned, and here  I am still doing it, buying and selling bitcoin as it pleased me, the police have never for once catch me or invited me to their station for any questioning or interrogation. I have kyced on a lot of exchanges, in fact, I always verify my identity on every crypto exchange I use, and same also it is with me on gambling casinos, this platforms (the reputable ones) will not just wake up one morning and decide to reveal your personal documents to security agencies except you have committed a crime and an investigation is being carried out.
So, as i said, you is too small fish to catch you. The difference between bitcoin criminals and common criminals is that police has not much experience catching bitcoiners. They can catch such users, but they have to make a serious effort for it. If your transactions about $100-$100.000 - it is just waste of time for police. Exchanges and casinos will share your data as the police asks. It is a huge mistake to believe in anonymity in the internet.
Yes, unless it's a minimum million dollar case, the police won't waste time investigating them.  So kyc for gambling, holding or trading with low amount should not be a fear for you.  But one fear is that many casino sites sell users' documents on the black market to perform illegal activities, so you have to be careful about this.  And for this reason, a reputable casino site should be used so that you can be safe from all aspects.  Illegal operators buy documents from users for high fees that many sites cannot afford and sell the documents to them.  So it is better to use reputable sites

We are not totally safe at all even if we choose those reputable casino since even government data is hackable so this data leaking could possible happen to those reputable casino since we don't know on how long they remain reputable since there would be fall down in their business especially if they can't adopt to the changes of their target market especially on new technology introduce on casinos.

If we know for ourselves that we are vulnerable since we are well known individual or known to have a lot of asset then I guess gambling maybe is not for us since we will be the target of possible attacks since our data's would be sellable to those criminals used other information just to take advantage on certain situation. What only thing we can do here is we need to be prepared on situation and think about next action if data leaking will happen to the site we are participating in.
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Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.
I don't perfectly understand where you are coming from or where exactly you are driving to, but let me say that, police catching a bitcoiner has nothing to do with the bitcoiner's identity online, police come face to face with alot of people everyday, and if you give them a reason to catch you, they will, that has nothing to do with whether you submitted your kyc document to any entity who then reported to the police that you are into crypto or a gambler.

Myself is from a country where bitcoin transactions are banned, or were banned, and here  I am still doing it, buying and selling bitcoin as it pleased me, the police have never for once catch me or invited me to their station for any questioning or interrogation. I have kyced on a lot of exchanges, in fact, I always verify my identity on every crypto exchange I use, and same also it is with me on gambling casinos, this platforms (the reputable ones) will not just wake up one morning and decide to reveal your personal documents to security agencies except you have committed a crime and an investigation is being carried out.
So, as i said, you is too small fish to catch you. The difference between bitcoin criminals and common criminals is that police has not much experience catching bitcoiners. They can catch such users, but they have to make a serious effort for it. If your transactions about $100-$100.000 - it is just waste of time for police. Exchanges and casinos will share your data as the police asks. It is a huge mistake to believe in anonymity in the internet.
Yes, unless it's a minimum million dollar case, the police won't waste time investigating them.  So kyc for gambling, holding or trading with low amount should not be a fear for you.  But one fear is that many casino sites sell users' documents on the black market to perform illegal activities, so you have to be careful about this.  And for this reason, a reputable casino site should be used so that you can be safe from all aspects.  Illegal operators buy documents from users for high fees that many sites cannot afford and sell the documents to them.  So it is better to use reputable sites
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No casino will have a hidden policy and still make it known to their customers, Doing this undermines the entire intension of such policy, which is for it to be hidden.
And secondly, I honestly do not know if government usually will have the time to operate a gambling casino, but if they do, then personally, I believe that such casino will be the center of KYC.
But on the other hand, even if governments are to run a gambling casino, it will definitely be an offline casino, not the online one like we all on this forum are already acustomed to.

Anyways, whether government or private online or offline gambling casino, the fact remains that, kyc is something or a process we as gamblers can not run away from forever, we can only avoid casinos with this feature for some time.
I think I've misread and misunderstood it so I might be giving out a bad opinion that's not align with what I truly mean. When I was replying to this, my brain automatically implied with hidden that it's something that's still in the terms and condition but well hidden either by clustering it with words that are fresh in someone's eyes and they might not know or understand it or something that convolutes the simple terms so the readers won't catch on in regards to how they will handle you, your data and your experience in their casino or in short it's implied to me that it's the fine print. Of course if something's hidden, then that means that it's hidden and it won't be shown.

To answer your wondering about the government operating a casino, they have the manpower and gambling is a good source of tax and income if they operate one so it's a must for them to have a department or a government agency that handles gambling and the gambling industry as a whole, if you're a government that can't do that or assign a group of people to manage that small part of your economy and country then you're failing as a government. Totally agree about the KYC part, we need to be able to play with peace and know that we're playing somewhere that's not infested of money launderers.
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Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.
I don't perfectly understand where you are coming from or where exactly you are driving to, but let me say that, police catching a bitcoiner has nothing to do with the bitcoiner's identity online, police come face to face with alot of people everyday, and if you give them a reason to catch you, they will, that has nothing to do with whether you submitted your kyc document to any entity who then reported to the police that you are into crypto or a gambler.

Myself is from a country where bitcoin transactions are banned, or were banned, and here  I am still doing it, buying and selling bitcoin as it pleased me, the police have never for once catch me or invited me to their station for any questioning or interrogation. I have kyced on a lot of exchanges, in fact, I always verify my identity on every crypto exchange I use, and same also it is with me on gambling casinos, this platforms (the reputable ones) will not just wake up one morning and decide to reveal your personal documents to security agencies except you have committed a crime and an investigation is being carried out.
So, as i said, you is too small fish to catch you. The difference between bitcoin criminals and common criminals is that police has not much experience catching bitcoiners. They can catch such users, but they have to make a serious effort for it. If your transactions about $100-$100.000 - it is just waste of time for police. Exchanges and casinos will share your data as the police asks. It is a huge mistake to believe in anonymity in the internet.
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The point mentioned in the OP seems to be focusing on usage of credit card for payment. This is obvious reason any casino would want to verify the KYC in that case. Imagine stolen credit cards being used on casinos, looting the owners without any identity. This money once deposited and wagered can get swapped with other crypto currencies thus preventing anyone to know from where it came?

Thats why better use Bitcoin deposits or other alts so that casinos will never ask for our KYC and it would be more fun to play rather than a burden to verify identity.

In addition, even if casino doesn't ask for KYC then also we need to confirm with tax filing for what purpose the credit card was used. Ultimately it will all come down to that casino and they will also report back. Its better use DEX and only deposit or withdraw in crypto.
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It was a big, well-known casino. I left feedback and got the answer i told: "operator mistake". You can do nothing with it - it is written in ToS. Or they can say about some cheating in the match. And they don`t need to prove something.
I don't know what actually happened with your bet but when you get win with high odd and then the team just returns the amount of the bet and claims that everything was the operator fault then this doesn't make sense.
Casinos have fairly good system for detecting any problems or errors that occur and of course they should handle these errors from the start instead of making customers disappointed with what they do.
But the requirements contained in Tos regarding KYC are not always used for the casino personal benefit but it all depends on where we gamble, and not all casinos do that kind of thing.

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I left it. I think that someone else will make the same. But the result is that i have to spend time for research and try new casino and this casino decreased their loses - i mostly won.
If it only happens once and of course they say it was an operator error, maybe we can still accept it because it only happened once, but even if it only happened once, it also depends on how much money is at stake and the odds you get.
When large bet with odd big cancelled, plus the result is that we should win big then disappointment is bound to occur.
And in context like this there will be many people who will go looking for another casino if they experience the same thing, it is difficult to find casino that can really give us what we want but at least there are several large, well-reputed casinos that we can use.
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we have both KYC and non KYC casinos, so which ever one we are interested in we can register and start betting but non of them can guarantee our successful or winning as a gambler. Once we know what we want to benefit as gamblers we can quickly start betting and trying our luck. Betting has it own risks as gambler and we need to make sure that we gamble responsibly making sure that we don't get addicted to gambling in the shortest means. There are casinos that don't care about us whether we make profits or not, they are just after seeing us gamble and making loses. This kind of casino is not what we really need.
Non KYC casinos also sometimes force gamblers to do KYC verification. No casino will block a gambler's account for breaking the rules as long as he continues to make losses. The problem starts when a gambler keeps winning regularly and wins a large amount of money. So the casinos claiming non KYC casino sometimes force gamblers to do KYC at the time of withdrawing, so before choosing a casino it is very important to find out how good the reputation of that casino is than looking for a KYC casino, or a non KYC casino.
Yes, you would be able to avoid those headaches if you do just simply stick into those reputable ones.Its true that there would really be those non-KYC at first but on the time that you are
winning big then this is where those issues would really be surfacing or would really be showing up on which it do really sucks if this one really happens because you wont really
be able to know on what you have done and  this is where things turns out to be shit. It would really be that so hassle and would really be that stressful if you do have
locked up funds on a platform specially you do know that you hadnt commit out something or doing something wrong on which it isnt really just that right on that way.
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we have both KYC and non KYC casinos, so which ever one we are interested in we can register and start betting but non of them can guarantee our successful or winning as a gambler. Once we know what we want to benefit as gamblers we can quickly start betting and trying our luck. Betting has it own risks as gambler and we need to make sure that we gamble responsibly making sure that we don't get addicted to gambling in the shortest means. There are casinos that don't care about us whether we make profits or not, they are just after seeing us gamble and making loses. This kind of casino is not what we really need.
Non KYC casinos also sometimes force gamblers to do KYC verification. No casino will block a gambler's account for breaking the rules as long as he continues to make losses. The problem starts when a gambler keeps winning regularly and wins a large amount of money. So the casinos claiming non KYC casino sometimes force gamblers to do KYC at the time of withdrawing, so before choosing a casino it is very important to find out how good the reputation of that casino is than looking for a KYC casino, or a non KYC casino.
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political games cannot be eliminated, especially in gambling, maybe the police will play with those who have a lot of money, it's just that if we don't KYC our personal data will be a little safe and most people refuse to give KYC to gambling platforms
Why would police play with the ones who have a lot of money? I don't think that police has anything to do with the gambling, it would be an out of topic thing. In face as long as we don't share our personal data with anyone especially for KYC purpose then we still have some privacy but when we continue sharing our personal details for KYC verification then there will be no privacy at all.

All of the gambling sites especially the known ones require a form of KYC these days and unfortunately we will have to complete KYC verification willingly or unwillingly. If you want to go for online gambling then be ready for the KYC if you're a high-roller gamblers otherwise you don't have to worry much about KYC.
we have both KYC and non KYC casinos, so which ever one we are interested in we can register and start betting but non of them can guarantee our successful or winning as a gambler. Once we know what we want to benefit as gamblers we can quickly start betting and trying our luck. Betting has it own risks as gambler and we need to make sure that we gamble responsibly making sure that we don't get addicted to gambling in the shortest means. There are casinos that don't care about us whether we make profits or not, they are just after seeing us gamble and making loses. This kind of casino is not what we really need.
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The position of illegal platform casinos is a bit difficult to sue in court because there are no regulations from the government for permits to operate a casino, especially in countries with a Muslim majority, it is certainly difficult to obtain a casino operating permit. I think it wastes too much energy, time and money when taking a casino platform that does not have an operating license from the government to court, it is very clear that the court will openly reject it because casino platforms are not legal and have no legal basis in that country.

I dislike with local casino platform because in my country there are casino platform is not allowed and restrict by government, although have many kinds of casino platform operation but I dislike yet for joining and they have many influencer for promoting their casino site.
Wrong, casinos that don't have it easy when it comes to litigation, they're the easier target because they're the ones that have broken the law by not having a permit/license to operate and any country would be happy to destroy these casinos because they didn't get their taxes out of these profitable businesses and they'll go for it all when they go against these casinos, that's why when these casinos get busted, the owners and the top brass will always choose to flee rather than fight the authority in court.

Also, why would the court reject them when they're illegal? You've said it already, that they are illegal, that's already a court worthy violation. That's also a bullshit to say that a country doesn't have any measures against this kind of case, they're illegal in the country which means that there's a law written that prohibits it and that means that there's a punishment for it in the case that it's violated.
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political games cannot be eliminated, especially in gambling, maybe the police will play with those who have a lot of money, it's just that if we don't KYC our personal data will be a little safe and most people refuse to give KYC to gambling platforms
Why would police play with the ones who have a lot of money? I don't think that police has anything to do with the gambling, it would be an out of topic thing. In face as long as we don't share our personal data with anyone especially for KYC purpose then we still have some privacy but when we continue sharing our personal details for KYC verification then there will be no privacy at all.

All of the gambling sites especially the known ones require a form of KYC these days and unfortunately we will have to complete KYC verification willingly or unwillingly. If you want to go for online gambling then be ready for the KYC if you're a high-roller gamblers otherwise you don't have to worry much about KYC.
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I don`t think that we can change it. After the gambler get KYC, he think that he don`t have problems with the casino and continue gambling. Until he get some restriction like bet limit. And they`ll use this trick as long as it possible, telling us that they are struggle with the cheaters
It may be so, but I say that in the future people will look for money no matter how a casino is without KYC , I don't know if decentralized casinos can make a difference and improve in the future, maybe they don't charge every move because they Know that companies will Seek to be more Anonymous and that can have many consequences, especially for casinos that are more centralized and have many clients, because there will be such Persecution that things will be stronger every day there will be people who will always seek to have this type of privileges so that they feel safer when playing, so when we are in a casino we have to be very emphatic in what we are looking for, and if the problem will be this KYC, and although many companies are Doing it for now without problems, it is something which is Still very quiet but People who care about their money will start to give more signals, we are all currently seeing that things with Casinos have changed , that they are now an Obligation to do this KYC thing , but also the Exchanges and almost Everything.

For those reasons we can draw that Conclusion , well I can Draw that conclusion , at one point let's say it's the period of about 3 years where the majority of people realize that the power of bitcoin is destroyed, as they are. At dinner right now , the Price is above $40k , but if the price were to have a rebound of at least $100k, people will Know that this is a safe Asset, where it can be considered without a doubt a valuable asset, even more powerful than the same gold and opting above some solid investments such as Real Estate , the SameGold, oil, among others and that can be unmonitored, with that option, the eras will seek to play and have fun without Restrictions , Because everyone is tired of the fiat System , and with this they can get out of that system Easily, without Going through banks , third parties or as a Government.
Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.
I don't perfectly understand where you are coming from or where exactly you are driving to, but let me say that, police catching a bitcoiner has nothing to do with the bitcoiner's identity online, police come face to face with alot of people everyday, and if you give them a reason to catch you, they will, that has nothing to do with whether you submitted your kyc document to any entity who then reported to the police that you are into crypto or a gambler.

Myself is from a country where bitcoin transactions are banned, or were banned, and here  I am still doing it, buying and selling bitcoin as it pleased me, the police have never for once catch me or invited me to their station for any questioning or interrogation. I have kyced on a lot of exchanges, in fact, I always verify my identity on every crypto exchange I use, and same also it is with me on gambling casinos, this platforms (the reputable ones) will not just wake up one morning and decide to reveal your personal documents to security agencies except you have committed a crime and an investigation is being carried out.
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I don`t think that we can change it. After the gambler get KYC, he think that he don`t have problems with the casino and continue gambling. Until he get some restriction like bet limit. And they`ll use this trick as long as it possible, telling us that they are struggle with the cheaters
It may be so, but I say that in the future people will look for money no matter how a casino is without KYC , I don't know if decentralized casinos can make a difference and improve in the future, maybe they don't charge every move because they Know that companies will Seek to be more Anonymous and that can have many consequences, especially for casinos that are more centralized and have many clients, because there will be such Persecution that things will be stronger every day there will be people who will always seek to have this type of privileges so that they feel safer when playing, so when we are in a casino we have to be very emphatic in what we are looking for, and if the problem will be this KYC, and although many companies are Doing it for now without problems, it is something which is Still very quiet but People who care about their money will start to give more signals, we are all currently seeing that things with Casinos have changed , that they are now an Obligation to do this KYC thing , but also the Exchanges and almost Everything.

For those reasons we can draw that Conclusion , well I can Draw that conclusion , at one point let's say it's the period of about 3 years where the majority of people realize that the power of bitcoin is destroyed, as they are. At dinner right now , the Price is above $40k , but if the price were to have a rebound of at least $100k, people will Know that this is a safe Asset, where it can be considered without a doubt a valuable asset, even more powerful than the same gold and opting above some solid investments such as Real Estate , the SameGold, oil, among others and that can be unmonitored, with that option, the eras will seek to play and have fun without Restrictions , Because everyone is tired of the fiat System , and with this they can get out of that system Easily, without Going through banks , third parties or as a Government.
Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.
political games cannot be eliminated, especially in gambling, maybe the police will play with those who have a lot of money, it's just that if we don't KYC our personal data will be a little safe and most people refuse to give KYC to gambling platforms
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I don`t think that we can change it. After the gambler get KYC, he think that he don`t have problems with the casino and continue gambling. Until he get some restriction like bet limit. And they`ll use this trick as long as it possible, telling us that they are struggle with the cheaters
It may be so, but I say that in the future people will look for money no matter how a casino is without KYC , I don't know if decentralized casinos can make a difference and improve in the future, maybe they don't charge every move because they Know that companies will Seek to be more Anonymous and that can have many consequences, especially for casinos that are more centralized and have many clients, because there will be such Persecution that things will be stronger every day there will be people who will always seek to have this type of privileges so that they feel safer when playing, so when we are in a casino we have to be very emphatic in what we are looking for, and if the problem will be this KYC, and although many companies are Doing it for now without problems, it is something which is Still very quiet but People who care about their money will start to give more signals, we are all currently seeing that things with Casinos have changed , that they are now an Obligation to do this KYC thing , but also the Exchanges and almost Everything.

For those reasons we can draw that Conclusion , well I can Draw that conclusion , at one point let's say it's the period of about 3 years where the majority of people realize that the power of bitcoin is destroyed, as they are. At dinner right now , the Price is above $40k , but if the price were to have a rebound of at least $100k, people will Know that this is a safe Asset, where it can be considered without a doubt a valuable asset, even more powerful than the same gold and opting above some solid investments such as Real Estate , the SameGold, oil, among others and that can be unmonitored, with that option, the eras will seek to play and have fun without Restrictions , Because everyone is tired of the fiat System , and with this they can get out of that system Easily, without Going through banks , third parties or as a Government.
Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.
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Quit lot of local casinos in my region have been caught up in such cases,  some to the extent that the player dragged the casino to court but at the end of the day the player still did not get justice,  but just know that the casino is already known as scam casino since the void players bet or refusing to pay players for the winning and blaming it on error from either the odds calculators or providers error.

This has made such casinos avoided by many players who already have information about such standing cases against them and will do whatever it takes to avoid becoming one of such victims of their possible act.
The position of illegal platform casinos is a bit difficult to sue in court because there are no regulations from the government for permits to operate a casino, especially in countries with a Muslim majority, it is certainly difficult to obtain a casino operating permit. I think it wastes too much energy, time and money when taking a casino platform that does not have an operating license from the government to court, it is very clear that the court will openly reject it because casino platforms are not legal and have no legal basis in that country.

I dislike with local casino platform because in my country there are casino platform is not allowed and restrict by government, although have many kinds of casino platform operation but I dislike yet for joining and they have many influencer for promoting their casino site.
Yeah it a bit difficult to get justice for any wrong done by unlicensed casssino and worst still if gambling is ban in such region where the gambler is located,  and even more so that winning a case against a casino very difficult in general,  it made it more hard for an offence to get the right justice in the long run,  because I have seen a number of such cases against casinos that are taken to court not getting justice at the end sometimes due to corruption and the casino already knowing they way around to deny the gambler justice since they are already used to such act and as a scam casino the will definitely be ready to fight a legal war that is if you can ever get them to court.

The best thing to do is to always play safe on these casinos and by so doing,  you should only gamble on reputable casinos and also make sure to pass through the casino KYC process on time even before you are asked to do so,  because by so doing,  you are putting things in place to avoid future complications such as in this case with the ops,  I am sure that the casino may have mentioned their KYC requirements in their terms of service but the gambler failed to actually read through them to be clear on what faces them at the end.
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