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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 05, 2023, 07:56:56 AM

And if he experiences something, it's better if the casino has or provides a first aid kit for the patient so he can survive and be taken to the hospital. Maybe after that incident, the casino will apply for a health certificate from a personal doctor or general practitioner so that no similar incident can occur in the future. Casinos that don't yet have first aid kits are starting to be required to provide them so that patients can be helped and it's too late to treat them.

As far as I can tell, there is no standard institution that doesn't have first aid, but some incidents are so sudden that if medical attention is not available, the person can just quickly pass on. In essence, first aid cannot solve some health emergencies, and I am sure that the casino where that man died had first aid, but just because his case was critical (my assumptions), heart cases are usually critical to the extent that the cardiologist usually advises the patient to make sure that they stay around their loved, so that any time they are having symptoms, their medications can be quickly administered to them.

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Quote from: passwordnow on September 05, 2023, 03:07:45 PM

Both were wrong, the victim shouldn't go somewhere else where his family can't watch him when he's aware that when he's attacked by his sickness, no one will be able to help and watch him out. And when the guy was attacked by that disease, the dealer just continued to do his thing? Where's the humanity and being concerned on that part? Yes, the show(job) must go on but how can that dealer attained to just see it around when the guy was being attacked and it's obvious by that time that he's struggling, right? Instead of calling for help, yet he continued to deal.

No one wants to have a heart attack in the middle of an activity, and no one knows when someone will have a heart attack. But each person's humanity and concern indeed determine the next step. And when no one cares about the incident, that person can die, and no one can help him.

We just hope this case will not happen again in any casino so that no victims are helped too late because there was no preparation. Perhaps the casino needs to inform all its customers that anyone who wants to play gambling must ensure their health first because of this incident. And this requires cooperation between all parties.

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Quote from: passwordnow on September 05, 2023, 03:07:45 PM

Both were wrong, the victim shouldn't go somewhere else where his family can't watch him when he's aware that when he's attacked by his sickness, no one will be able to help and watch him out. And when the guy was attacked by that disease, the dealer just continued to do his thing? Where's the humanity and being concerned on that part? Yes, the show(job) must go on but how can that dealer attained to just see it around when the guy was being attacked and it's obvious by that time that he's struggling, right? Instead of calling for help, yet he continued to deal.

Why stop at just the dealer? How about the other players sitting at the table. Surely they’re wrong too as they all sat with the man at the table and equally failed to notice that he had died.
I don’t think the dealer noticed the man was in any trouble. If it was noticed, I bet it would have been taken care of a lot faster and the man would have received some sort of first aid on-site and later taken to a hospital. It’s simply bad for business to be inattentive and allow such tragedy occur in the business premises that could have be easily prevented. No fault lies with the dealer in my opinion.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 01:16:51 AM

This happened in 2022 and although I do not know the outcome of the court case, my thoughts are that the discussion about casinos should go beyond security measures to cover how prepared they are in the event of a health emergency . I think that well-equipped First Aid Kit and trained paramedical staff could significantly contribute to ensuring the safety and well-being of casino patrons. Although casinos are primarily places where people go for entertainment and profit, the operators should put in place health emergency measures could potentially mitigate the impact of unforeseen events. On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?

If I'm not mistaken most physical casinos do have their respective medical staff on their premises.

I believe it's already standard and mandatory for physical casinos to have medical teams that can be deployed right away in case of an emergency inside the casino hall. Part of having a license to operate is to have the same for other establishments. It's like a standard protocol for any establishment regardless of the business type, genre, and industry.

About the question if casinos can be blamed for that unfortunate incident, no. They didn't force the person in the first place.

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Quote from: passwordnow on September 05, 2023, 03:07:45 PM

Both were wrong, the victim shouldn't go somewhere else where his family can't watch him when he's aware that when he's attacked by his sickness, no one will be able to help and watch him out. And when the guy was attacked by that disease, the dealer just continued to do his thing? Where's the humanity and being concerned on that part? Yes, the show(job) must go on but how can that dealer attained to just see it around when the guy was being attacked and it's obvious by that time that he's struggling, right? Instead of calling for help, yet he continued to deal.

That's like limiting the life of the person and I'm not for it. There are better ways to handle this and that's not restricting the person to do as he pleases. It should be common knowledge that huge establishments have at least 1 onsite doctor and nurses available any time that are ready for these emergencies. Unfortunately, it's not the medical professionals that made the ultimate mistake, but the dealer who didn't even bat an eye on the man lying awkwardly by the table.

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Quote from: passwordnow on September 05, 2023, 03:07:45 PM

Both were wrong, the victim shouldn't go somewhere else where his family can't watch him when he's aware that when he's attacked by his sickness, no one will be able to help and watch him out. And when the guy was attacked by that disease, the dealer just continued to do his thing? Where's the humanity and being concerned on that part? Yes, the show(job) must go on but how can that dealer attained to just see it around when the guy was being attacked and it's obvious by that time that he's struggling, right? Instead of calling for help, yet he continued to deal.

It is part of the sensitiveness one can observe in big cities and in this part of the world.
There are several reasons the casino worker may not feel prompted to help the man, he could have thought he was drunk or under the effect of those drugs people may consume when engage in gambling, instead suffering a cardiac arrest. Even if he was not sure what was going on, there are casinos and businesses in general in the United States which are very tight when comes to efficiency and work time of their employees, we could argue there is a chance that guy was under pressure to keep his job and chose not to interrupt his shift, for the sake of not making things more difficult in the eyes of his boss.

Ironically, because all this situation ended up with a lawsuit, it could have completely backfire on the casino and that particular employee. Sad

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Quote from: passwordnow on September 05, 2023, 03:07:45 PM

Both were wrong, the victim shouldn't go somewhere else where his family can't watch him when he's aware that when he's attacked by his sickness, no one will be able to help and watch him out. And when the guy was attacked by that disease, the dealer just continued to do his thing? Where's the humanity and being concerned on that part? Yes, the show(job) must go on but how can that dealer attained to just see it around when the guy was being attacked and it's obvious by that time that he's struggling, right? Instead of calling for help, yet he continued to deal.

It depends on the kind of health condition that is involved in this kind of condition, you can't expect someone who is having a critical health condition to go out in the first place to gamble, and for those in the category of a manageable conditions, if the situation worsen when they go out, they would rather be transferred to the hospital than being taken care of in the casino, casino is not a place we should expect health treatment because it will require professionalism to attend to a patient when the medical practitioners are not present.

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Both were wrong, the victim shouldn't go somewhere else where his family can't watch him when he's aware that when he's attacked by his sickness, no one will be able to help and watch him out. And when the guy was attacked by that disease, the dealer just continued to do his thing? Where's the humanity and being concerned on that part? Yes, the show(job) must go on but how can that dealer attained to just see it around when the guy was being attacked and it's obvious by that time that he's struggling, right? Instead of calling for help, yet he continued to deal.

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Quote from: demonica on August 30, 2023, 06:44:12 AM

Just imagine a person got sick and died from excessive alcohol addiction, does that makes the alcohol companies be liable for their deaths? No.

Your scenario is quite strange because, in this case, the casino has no hand in his death, not as if he was intoxicated by the game or something, because that's not even possible. It's simple: they can just run some autopsy examinations to find out the actual cause of his death, and the casino would not even face any penalty because they did not cause his death; they did not give him anything to drink, like alcohol, as you said. Casinos are places to catch fun, and it's assumed he went there to catch fun, but something terrible happened and he died. No one is to blame.

And he should have known that casinos do serve alcohol but he had to control himself if he wanted to drink alcohol. He may drink the alcohol but must be limited to avoid exceeding the limit. And if he experiences something, it's better if the casino has or provides a first aid kit for the patient so he can survive and be taken to the hospital. Maybe after that incident, the casino will apply for a health certificate from a personal doctor or general practitioner so that no similar incident can occur in the future. Casinos that don't yet have first aid kits are starting to be required to provide them so that patients can be helped and it's too late to treat them.

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Quote from: demonica on August 30, 2023, 06:44:12 AM

Why would they blame the casino? Just imagine a person got sick and died from excessive alcohol addiction, does that makes the alcohol companies be liable for their deaths? No. We are all responsible for our actions and the choices we make. And deaths are inevitable, it may happen anytime and anywhere so they can't always blame it on others.

But I get the point that establishments, especially those who always deal with a lot of people in their business operation should always be ready for emergencies. Emergency tools and equipments are necessary, as well as staff who knows how to do first aid. And I think it's required to every businesses.

I think those are precisely the misgiving of the family members of the dead, besides depending where you live regulations can be more or less strict, as there are places where if you witness a crime or an accident you are mandated by law to report it and if you do not then you are committing a crime.

And since the person suffered a cardiac arrest on their installations and they took too long to report it the casino may liable to pay the family some money as a form of restitution.

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Quote from: demonica on August 30, 2023, 06:44:12 AM

Why would they blame the casino? Just imagine a person got sick and died from excessive alcohol addiction, does that makes the alcohol companies be liable for their deaths? No. We are all responsible for our actions and the choices we make. And deaths are inevitable, it may happen anytime and anywhere so they can't always blame it on others.

But I get the point that establishments, especially those who always deal with a lot of people in their business operation should always be ready for emergencies. Emergency tools and equipments are necessary, as well as staff who knows how to do first aid. And I think it's required to every businesses.

If a person goes to a casino for gambling, gets a severe medical condition suffers for about 10 minutes, and then dies, the blame might not be on the casino for his death but his life could have been saved if the casino had a medical staff available every time or at least have an ambulance or a truck that could be used to take the patient to the nearest hospital as soon as his condition starts getting worse so that he can be saved and the public can say that casino has played its role.

It's obviously not their job to do that but if they do that, it will be a plus point for their services. If they can serve drinks and food and every other thing within the casino to earn some extra money, they should obviously take care of such serious matters as well and have preparations for such situations.

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Quote from: demonica on August 30, 2023, 06:44:12 AM

Just imagine a person got sick and died from excessive alcohol addiction, does that makes the alcohol companies be liable for their deaths? No.

Your scenario is quite strange because, in this case, the casino has no hand in his death, not as if he was intoxicated by the game or something, because that's not even possible. It's simple: they can just run some autopsy examinations to find out the actual cause of his death, and the casino would not even face any penalty because they did not cause his death; they did not give him anything to drink, like alcohol, as you said. Casinos are places to catch fun, and it's assumed he went there to catch fun, but something terrible happened and he died. No one is to blame.

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Casinos are better prepared for health emergencies because many people can get sick while gambling and they will get care quickly. But it will take a long time for casinos to implement it, where there is legal support and no other casino has taken such a step. An emergency is a situation that poses an immediate risk to health life property or the environment most emergencies require quick intervention to prevent damage. Although in some situations it may not be possible to prevent the damage, the latter only provides palliative services. Some emergencies may not be an immediate threat to human life if a doctor is employed but if the condition persists, it may harm the health and well-being of one or more persons.

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Quote from: iv4n on September 01, 2023, 05:11:07 AM

Having a full medical team ready for health emergencies is a big bonus wherever they are. But it's on the government to make some rules about it, and then casinos and all other big resorts will have it. When they earn millions they should be able to spend some money on this as well.

This should be the requirements to meet before launching a casino especially offline and depending on the size because some are very large as a mega station or office while some are sub offices. So those that big should have the emergency care unit that could take care of such need before the person is taken to hospital for proper medication. Regulation and rules should be in the jurisdiction of the government, they are the one to ensure there is legal backing before casinos will comply but if there are non, then it will be business as usual and someone likely to survive if emergency care was given could die on the spot while trying to bet or viewing results of his bet because his heart pumped from the results he saw .

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on August 31, 2023, 07:30:05 AM

I personally have never visited in major offline casino, so I do not have an idea or any personal experience on how prepared they are for unpredicted emergencies most especially in the health area, but then I agree with you, the casino is a place where people go to, spend much time sitting or moving around, some addicted gamblers can stay in the casino from morning till the evening, so I personally consider it common sense for such a business to have some medical stuffs, like a first aid box and possibly a medical staff on standby, just in case something comes up that has to do with health, yeah, health issues is something that does not happen frequently in gambling areas like in the casino, but then, it's not foolish for the casino to prepare for such emergencies as no one can tell when or where such a thing might happen.

Well, it's about laws and regulations in the end... here in Serbia, many companies have mandatory First Aid training. I have that every year once or twice, but it's just the first aid, that first reaction can save someone's life... but sometimes even the speed can't help. If anyone is destined to leave, that's it.

Having a full medical team ready for health emergencies is a big bonus wherever they are. But it's on the government to make some rules about it, and then casinos and all other big resorts will have it. When they earn millions they should be able to spend some money on this as well.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 31, 2023, 04:20:08 AM

Perhaps it’s also possible seeing casinos with medical health professionals but it may only be possible for big and reputable casinos since a lot of tourists people will definitely visit them. However, they should still not be blamed if there are any incidents like cardiac arrest and did not survive because first and foremost, players should always be responsible enough not to take some risks especially for those who have serious heart concerns as they may or may not survive when that happens.

You are absolutely right that before a person visits a casino, he should make sure that he does not have any serious heart problems and can also control himself with whatever will happen to him during and after gambling. Casinos cannot always help someone with a serious illness, even though that is the job of the casino because that person comes to visit his place to play gambling but the person himself must ensure that he visits the casino in good health.

If each person and casino can carry out their duties and obligations well, everything will be fine. People with serious heart problems will also not get heart problems because they always ensure they are in a fit condition for gambling.

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I personally have never visited in major offline casino, so I do not have an idea or any personal experience on how prepared they are for unpredicted emergencies most especially in the health area, but then I agree with you, the casino is a place where people go to, spend much time sitting or moving around, some addicted gamblers can stay in the casino from morning till the evening, so I personally consider it common sense for such a business to have some medical stuffs, like a first aid box and possibly a medical staff on standby, just in case something comes up that has to do with health, yeah, health issues is something that does not happen frequently in gambling areas like in the casino, but then, it's not foolish for the casino to prepare for such emergencies as no one can tell when or where such a thing might happen.

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The permit to operate a casino is of course also accompanied by what things they must provide, such as a building or mall that must have an evacuation route when there is a disaster such as a fire and other things that are clear, so if the casino is not required to have first aid then they are not are required to fulfill them, and it's no secret that a business will comply more with the rules they must comply with than providing more things even though it is not an obligation.
Casinos are a place to get entertainment, What they have to do is at least train their staff to be able to provide assistance when there are certain cases or collaborate with one of the nearest hospitals for first aid, but if that is not an obligation then the casino cannot be blamed, that's in my opinion.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 31, 2023, 04:20:08 AM

Perhaps it’s also possible seeing casinos with medical health professionals but it may only be possible for big and reputable casinos since a lot of tourists people will definitely visit them. However, they should still not be blamed if there are any incidents like cardiac arrest and did not survive because first and foremost, players should always be responsible enough not to take some risks especially for those who have serious heart concerns as they may or may not survive when that happens.

This kind of accident is obviously unpredictable and may happen anywhere. It may happen in restaurant, hotel, airport, even in religious places such as mosque and church. We cant blame the owner of the places where such an accident happened. But the suggestion for casino to provide health emergencies staff is good enough, I support this suggestion. I would even suggest, all public places should have such a health emergencies.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 31, 2023, 04:20:08 AM

Perhaps it’s also possible seeing casinos with medical health professionals but it may only be possible for big and reputable casinos since a lot of tourists people will definitely visit them. However, they should still not be blamed if there are any incidents like cardiac arrest and did not survive because first and foremost, players should always be responsible enough not to take some risks especially for those who have serious heart concerns as they may or may not survive when that happens.

If the casino is not required to have some kind of medical services or first aid to take care of immediate health challenges then it might be free but if it is mandatory like I know there are laws to provide such services where people gather or work incase of such emergency and the casino is found wanting then it will be a problem for them. Worse of it is the negligence on the part of the casino for not at least support a dying customer but was only interested in serving cards and continuing business.

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