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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 02:16:51 AM

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A man experiencing cardiac arrest and who later died was slumped over a blackjack table at Wynn Las Vegas for more than 15 minutes while the dealer continued to deal cards to another player, according to a wrongful death lawsuit filed this week in District Court. David Jagolinzer, an attorney from Florida, was staying at the Wynn when he suffered a cardiac arrest on April 6, 2022, while playing blackjack on the casino floor. The dealer at his table continued to deal while Jagolinzer was slumped over, according to a complaint filed Thursday.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/lawsuit-dealer-continued-to-deal-with-man-slumped-over-during-cardiac-arrest-2731495/

Man, I believe that every country has very clear laws about medical emergencies, I don't know if in the place where this fact actually occurred it was necessary to have a medical team or first aid kits available, but obviously I am to believe that AT A MINIMUM they should have called the emergency requesting urgent medical help.
It's notable how even today many face-to-face casinos value profit in the first place, as they believed that any "different" movement could generate turmoil and losses for the house.... regretful to have to read this.

But I agree with a colleague here.... I believe that no one noticed that the bettor was feeling sick, even because in this game it is necessary to "maintain discretion" in order to be able to bluff correctly and also interpret the opponents' body result.

In any case, I believe that the casino is the main culprit in the case of omission of help, and should be punished.

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You are saying one or a couple of paramedics should be locked in one casino instead of giving care to others in different places? Hmm, maybe a private company can do that. Although I seriously doubt a cardiac arrest can be helped out at that event with first aid, the first thing they should think about is bringing the patient as quickly as possible to the hospital where proper care will be applied. I think the amount of securities they put in every physical casino is enough to do that job. They all have eyes on those who cheat so I doubt they will not see what is happening unless it's an attack that is not too obvious like mild strokes or whatever.
One case should not make it a way to sudden changes. Maybe there are cases where they reacted fast but only the rare bad one came out of the news.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 02:16:51 AM

This happened in 2022 and although I do not know the outcome of the court case, my thoughts are that the discussion about casinos should go beyond security measures to cover how prepared they are in the event of a health emergency . I think that well-equipped First Aid Kit and trained paramedical staff could significantly contribute to ensuring the safety and well-being of casino patrons. Although casinos are primarily places where people go for entertainment and profit, the operators should put in place health emergency measures could potentially mitigate the impact of unforeseen events. On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?

I don't know, but I think every business place including a casino of course they must already have or provide a number of basic medical equipment for first aid. But in cases or incidents like this, of course they are beyond their control and in my opinion incidents like this are purely due to a problem with the person's health condition.
A card dealing officer and everyone in there might have thought that he was just drunk and fell down. But if there is someone who disturbs the comfort of playing, the security from the casino should be swift to pick up the person to be moved and examined.
Actually I don't think the casino is to be blamed for such an incident but it could be their fault as there was no responsive and fast action to address the issue of someone fainting out of the blue.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on August 23, 2023, 07:09:34 AM

For those saying that someone should have cared for the man, well, it's possible that they aren't even aware of what's going on, some gamblers are very good at putting up an act when they lose games, and some will even roll on the ground, they are full of drama, I have seen this before in a gambling house in my country.

This is true but it should come as a matter of concern that the time spent being inactive at the table was too long. Anything other than five minutes is too much. I hope that the casino management have been able to learn from this bitter experience.

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I think to enforce casinos to have paramedicals teams would be a very abusive regulation. I think the emergency service must be efficient and reach every locations pretty fast and that is all. Here in our country the service is managed by the government, but in other countries I think it can be managed by the private sector too.

Citizens just have to make sure the system is working properly, but not forcing businessmen to increase their debt by hiring paramedicals or acquiring medical equipments for their businesses. After all, I don't think it's their obligation.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 02:16:51 AM

This happened in 2022 and although I do not know the outcome of the court case, my thoughts are that the discussion about casinos should go beyond security measures to cover how prepared they are in the event of a health emergency . I think that well-equipped First Aid Kit and trained paramedical staff could significantly contribute to ensuring the safety and well-being of casino patrons. Although casinos are primarily places where people go for entertainment and profit, the operators should put in place health emergency measures could potentially mitigate the impact of unforeseen events.

There is really no way to tell the health Status of any gambler that comes to the casino to gamble. But the entire situation would have been avoided.

The dealer should be sacked for not being observant on the blackjack table of the people gambling. If he has been the observant type, he surely would have been able to quickly call the attention of the casino management to avoid the scenario of a client dying and leaving a bad name to the casino.

Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 02:16:51 AM

On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?

They have a right to be angry and put blames on the casino for negligence, failure to take proper care of their client. The dealer was employed by the Casino, so the casino will take the blame for his actions.

Proper first aid and an emergency response to rush the gambler to a hospital would have saved his life.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on August 23, 2023, 05:51:47 PM

Anything relating to heart problems is sometimes very critical, and first aid in casinos is not just something that can easily help; the best thing to do is to call an emergency. If perhaps they never did call an emergency, then it was bad of them. But although it's not the fault of the casino, if the man had already had some heart disease earlier on, then the family of the man should not file any charges against the casino. There is no well-established organisation that doesn't have a first aid kit, and I believe the casino also usually has one.

First-aid kit is a must to every establishment before they can get the permit to operate a business.
However, the dealer of that casino should have a different response rather than just continue what he's doing.
It was a medical emergency and he can pause what he's doing. I don't know how he was trained on this situation.
But a big casino like Wynn, should have that kind of training, even the basic one. We are talking about life here of a person.
I hope this will be a lesson for any casino, they need to be alert in spotting such cases like this and don't just ignore the situation

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Anything relating to heart problems is sometimes very critical, and first aid in casinos is not just something that can easily help; the best thing to do is to call an emergency. If perhaps they never did call an emergency, then it was bad of them. But although it's not the fault of the casino, if the man had already had some heart disease earlier on, then the family of the man should not file any charges against the casino. There is no well-established organisation that doesn't have a first aid kit, and I believe the casino also usually has one.

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The dealer in the story should be prosecuted also for negligence by the casino where the incident happened. I do believe he/she was in a vantage position to clearly observe the composure of everyone playing on the table and should have been the first responder.

It's sad how it takes an awful experience most times to teach us the right lessons. Casinos these days, at least the big once I know have emergency lines of most health care practitioners/businesses around the vicinity of their business incase something like such happens. I do not know about those local ones.
However, I think people who have medical conditions should know instances and environments that can trigger their conditions and try to avoid them or use a tag or go with a friend or family, if they intend to have a go at the excitement and thrill that gambling and casino houses has to offer.

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The thing is the casino wouldn't have known that he was suffering from cardiac arrest. Slumped over people are a common sight in casinos, they offer complementary drinks to everyone after all. And while I agree that health personnel should be active and available for assistance especially in casinos, it should go without saying that implementing them effectively is going to be a massive ordeal, since for one, they will for sure find the crowded spaces these casinos are known for to be difficult when they are performing emergency health maneuvers. Plus the fact that you couldn't really tell which is which from a far distance.

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Any casino will never want to care about the fate of its users who experience any condition, including what happened to that person regarding a heart attack on a blackjack table at Wynn Las Vegas or other places that have never been exposed to social media. But they definitely won't neglect the first-step countermeasures if that happens.

Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 02:16:51 AM

Although casinos are primarily places where people go for entertainment and profit, the operators should put in place health emergency measures could potentially mitigate the impact of unforeseen events. On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?

Even though I agree that every casino that has a good reputation should provide what we are talking about, this seems to be overly exaggerated. If our health condition is not good, why do we have to come to the casino and this is what causes when we are not ready for gambling conditions, then when you experience a big loss it can cause a sudden heart attack and Do not gamble when our health condition is problematic because it will have a fatal impact. How can we basically blame them, what articles and errors can we use to sue the casino, so that they are responsible and provide compensation in the form of money. LOL

As far as I know every place that has obtained a permit to operate has first aid kits as a temporary emergency measure, it's just that sometimes the workers don't understand what to do in these conditions. Especially when it's related to a heart attack and not everyone knows how to handle it quickly.

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It should be the protocol for businesses to have some kind of preparation for emergencies like this one, especially this one. Aside from all the possible emergencies, this can be common to them knowing that a lot of elderly people like to gamble their extra money and just play continuously.

Sadly, the dealer kept on dealing even if someone was already slumped or possibly had medical emergencies.

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The article says the attorneys of the family are claiming the dealer and the casino ignored the man when he was slumped over. That is a ridiculous claim in my opinion as no casino would like to have someone die with everyone watching on their premises. They probably would prefer you alive so you could spend more money.

I guess having a player slumped over the table is like a normal sight as no one thought to check on him for a while.Obviously, a primarily profit and entertainment oriented organization would spend much more on things that would attract the crowd, give them a good time and later begin to make profit as they empty their wallet on the premises.

It's sad that he went unnoticed for that long and I think he probably would have survived if he would noticed much sooner. But I don't think that argument put up by the attorneys of the family holds much water. The fact that he suffered a cardiac arrest and died is sad but not the fault of the casino.

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Quote from: len01 on August 23, 2023, 07:10:41 AM

in that case i read it is very sad how the people around him think and what they think when someone falls ill or unconsciously on the blackjack table and what's worse the dealer continues to distribute cards to other players or is it really that bad the behavior of people in the casino without helping someone who is sick and I think this casino is like a little casino that does not care what happens to the people. it may sound a bit harsh but what I know is that Wynn Las Vegas is a luxurious gambling place but why would someone not care about other people when there is a very critical problem.

I know that gambling or a casino is a place to find entertainment and whatever happens is not the responsibility of the casino, but at least if there is an urgent problem, the casino should help or call the hospital to get it resolved immediately. people who are there are not free and pay a high price and if there is a problem like that and the family asks the casino for money it is very reasonable because there is no concern there.

Very sad and worrying. this is not only talking about someone who is unconscious at the casino, but this also talks about the loss of a sense of humanity both on the part of the casino and between the players in it.

I know that the world of gambling is better known as the black world. And when people are at the round table, there are no more friends there and everyone becomes opponents. but are they that bad that they don't care what happens to their opponents.
and this is a lesson for us not to go alone to the casino, preferably before we go to the casino to ask other people to accompany us while playing.

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Did the man lose a huge bet that caused this heart attack?
Whatever happens while he is inside the casino's vicinity, the casino will still have the responsibility. It's what the lawyers will tell the family who lost a member. Lawyers fuck the casino.

When someone stumbles and gets injured because of a stone that blocks the way, one lawyer could argue it is the owner's fault for now minding the stone. The owner of the property will be responsible for a personal injury lawsuit.

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Casinos are, at their core, businesses that profit from people's urge to bet. They are neither charitable organizations nor medical facilities. They are money-making machines. But it's frankly appalling that a man in need of medical attention was neglected. You'd think that a business meant to empty your wallets would at least be concerned with keeping you alive so you could spend more.

What is your opinion of the paramedical staff and first aid? Perfectly spoken. If not out of empathy, then at the very least for aesthetic sake, any building intended to house big crowds ought to have that. Nevertheless, accusing the family of wanting to capitalize on the tragedy? That strikes me as a cheap shot. Imagine yourself in their position. Perhaps they're merely attempting to draw attention to a structural problem with these gambling dens. Does the casino deserve any blame? Absolutely! It`s a matter of fundamental human decency.

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Even if a casino is a place for entertainment and getting profits, there should be medical staff available all the time because when people gamble, they sometimes panic, sometimes they might get sick if they are losing a lot, or they can even get an attack for winning something significant, in any case, a medical team or at least a medical attendant is important to provide initial first aid to the patients that might be having some sort of problems in the casino.

Not only a medical attendant, but I think they should also have an ambulance or at least a truck or something that can be used to send people suffering from diseases to the hospital after they are handled by the medical staff because the problem might be more severe and there might be a hand of something more than just initial medical care.

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- It's just sad that this kind of incident where you're a gambler is suddenly attacked by such a disease, you know what it means, you're just there at the casino to have some fun. Then what's even worse is that you are actually having a cardiac arrest, I can't believe that their employee didn't notice it right away.

Then he only noticed when a few minutes passed, and it looks like they haven't been oriented that when emergencies like that happen to their players, they should know the basic action in an emergency like that. Because based on the article, their employees don't know how to use a medical kit.

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Quote from: bittraffic on August 23, 2023, 02:29:01 AM

Since you already said you are going to argue about it, I will not object anymore. Grin

But would they still blame the casino if they responded fast and for like a minute he was delivered to a hospital with advanced devices yet he was still declared Dead on arrival?

What I believe is that people will always find a way to shift the blame to other entities and individuals. The family would have still blamed the casino if they had offered timely medical assistance, such as a defibrillator, and the man had subsequently passed away. I am not attempting to sound insensitive, but who knows, perhaps the man was burdened with significant gambling debt, and the family is seeking a method to have it settled. I might be mistaken, but it's just a thought.

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As far as I know, every establishments have management systems starting from safety, security, and up to knowing the basics of first aid. Especially if there are instances like this, a gambler who happens to need an immediate medical attention, casino are required to have this because they wouldn't be permitted to build the establishment if they lack management systems in the first place. From what is written in the article, I don't think it is the casino's fault, it's just that unexpected things really happen. Afterall, customers are the top priorities of casino, and I believe they all want the best for their customers and none of them want this to happen.

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