Casinos Should Also Be Prepared For Health Emergencies - page 4.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 30, 2023, 01:54:26 AM

Quote from: Pierre 2 on August 30, 2023, 12:51:58 AM

I think casinos aren't to blame here because its up to states/countries to define laws enforcing health clinics or doctors in casinos. I feel like crowded casinos must have doctors for sure if they are far away to any health facilities. Emergency issues like this one happen very rarely but its very deadly as well. Cardiac issues are very dangerous sadly it's sometimes about your luck. My relative once experienced same went to hospital lately but survived.

It seems that it also has to do with the laws governing gambling in the state/country because if it's written in the regulations that casinos must provide health clinics or have medical personnel, the casinos will provide them. But if not, the casino will not provide it either because the casino is a place to play gambling and everyone already understands that only those who are healthy may or are allowed to play gambling because there is a risk of getting a heart attack.

However, the casino should immediately provide medical personnel to prevent heart attacks or other illnesses that can occur when customers are gambling. After all, it will be an additional service for its customers and it may be one of the best casinos because it has medical personnel who are always ready to help people who need them.

Perhaps it’s also possible seeing casinos with medical health professionals but it may only be possible for big and reputable casinos since a lot of tourists people will definitely visit them. However, they should still not be blamed if there are any incidents like cardiac arrest and did not survive because first and foremost, players should always be responsible enough not to take some risks especially for those who have serious heart concerns as they may or may not survive when that happens.

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Quote from: klidex on August 30, 2023, 10:48:51 AM

Yes, I know that all of this is still related to the law and even though there is no law regulating casinos, they require a special clinic or doctor, but at least in OP's case it must be handled by the casino, such as bringing a private car and immediately taking him to the hospital, that is already part best of casino.
Or the security officer at the casino can be one of the people who can help if one day something happens as told by the OP so that even though the casino is a place to have fun, at least there is no worry if something health-related problems occur.

If the casino can provide treatment such as taking the person to the hospital, that will be an added value to the casino. Many people will see that the casino cares about the user who gambles at his place and helps him by taking him to the hospital when he is sick. And this should not only be for people with heart disease but also for others who may be experiencing other illnesses. This should be a special concern of all casinos because no one knows who will be the next patient while gambling. Medical personnel can be from security officers but that is very rare because their skills are clearly different. The important thing is that the casino can pay attention to this problem to become a recommended place for people who want to gamble.

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Quote from: klidex on August 30, 2023, 10:48:51 AM

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on August 30, 2023, 12:51:58 AM

I think casinos aren't to blame here because its up to states/countries to define laws enforcing health clinics or doctors in casinos. I feel like crowded casinos must have doctors for sure if they are far away to any health facilities. Emergency issues like this one happen very rarely but its very deadly as well. Cardiac issues are very dangerous sadly it's sometimes about your luck. My relative once experienced same went to hospital lately but survived.

It seems that it also has to do with the laws governing gambling in the state/country because if it's written in the regulations that casinos must provide health clinics or have medical personnel, the casinos will provide them. But if not, the casino will not provide it either because the casino is a place to play gambling and everyone already understands that only those who are healthy may or are allowed to play gambling because there is a risk of getting a heart attack.

However, the casino should immediately provide medical personnel to prevent heart attacks or other illnesses that can occur when customers are gambling. After all, it will be an additional service for its customers and it may be one of the best casinos because it has medical personnel who are always ready to help people who need them.

Yes, I know that all of this is still related to the law and even though there is no law regulating casinos, they require a special clinic or doctor, but at least in OP's case it must be handled by the casino, such as bringing a private car and immediately taking him to the hospital, that is already part best of casino.
Or the security officer at the casino can be one of the people who can help if one day something happens as told by the OP so that even though the casino is a place to have fun, at least there is no worry if something health-related problems occur.

This may sound absurd but for me I guess offering services like private transportation to medical facilities can be a thoughtful touch that shows a casino's commitment to customer care. It's important for casinos to create an environment where customers feel both safe and supported in case unexpected health issues arise. Like this given as a merit or a reward for bonuses.

Balancing the fun and excitement of a casino with a responsible approach to customer well-being is a crucial aspect of maintaining a positive reputation and ensuring that visitors have a positive experience.

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The deceased family are probably looking for a way to squeeze some money out of the casino. A lot of things could trigger cardiac arrest and it is not something that's written on the forehead, so how is the casino supposed to know the health condition of a player? If one of the requirements for setting up a casino is having a sick bay and employing the services of a professional first aider and if it could prove that it has a functional sick bay and they did all the could to help the deceased, then they might actually to win the case.

It's so bad when tragic events like this occurs and some persons try to use it for their own personal gains. The dead is dead, move on with your life, except it is the case of negligence from the casino.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 30, 2023, 01:54:26 AM

Quote from: Pierre 2 on August 30, 2023, 12:51:58 AM

I think casinos aren't to blame here because its up to states/countries to define laws enforcing health clinics or doctors in casinos. I feel like crowded casinos must have doctors for sure if they are far away to any health facilities. Emergency issues like this one happen very rarely but its very deadly as well. Cardiac issues are very dangerous sadly it's sometimes about your luck. My relative once experienced same went to hospital lately but survived.

It seems that it also has to do with the laws governing gambling in the state/country because if it's written in the regulations that casinos must provide health clinics or have medical personnel, the casinos will provide them. But if not, the casino will not provide it either because the casino is a place to play gambling and everyone already understands that only those who are healthy may or are allowed to play gambling because there is a risk of getting a heart attack.

However, the casino should immediately provide medical personnel to prevent heart attacks or other illnesses that can occur when customers are gambling. After all, it will be an additional service for its customers and it may be one of the best casinos because it has medical personnel who are always ready to help people who need them.

Yes, I know that all of this is still related to the law and even though there is no law regulating casinos, they require a special clinic or doctor, but at least in OP's case it must be handled by the casino, such as bringing a private car and immediately taking him to the hospital, that is already part best of casino.
Or the security officer at the casino can be one of the people who can help if one day something happens as told by the OP so that even though the casino is a place to have fun, at least there is no worry if something health-related problems occur.

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Why would they blame the casino? Just imagine a person got sick and died from excessive alcohol addiction, does that makes the alcohol companies be liable for their deaths? No. We are all responsible for our actions and the choices we make. And deaths are inevitable, it may happen anytime and anywhere so they can't always blame it on others.

But I get the point that establishments, especially those who always deal with a lot of people in their business operation should always be ready for emergencies. Emergency tools and equipments are necessary, as well as staff who knows how to do first aid. And I think it's required to every businesses.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 01:16:51 AM

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A man experiencing cardiac arrest and who later died was slumped over a blackjack table at Wynn Las Vegas for more than 15 minutes while the dealer continued to deal cards to another player, according to a wrongful death lawsuit filed this week in District Court. David Jagolinzer, an attorney from Florida, was staying at the Wynn when he suffered a cardiac arrest on April 6, 2022, while playing blackjack on the casino floor. The dealer at his table continued to deal while Jagolinzer was slumped over, according to a complaint filed Thursday.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/lawsuit-dealer-continued-to-deal-with-man-slumped-over-during-cardiac-arrest-2731495/

This happened in 2022 and although I do not know the outcome of the court case, my thoughts are that the discussion about casinos should go beyond security measures to cover how prepared they are in the event of a health emergency . I think that well-equipped First Aid Kit and trained paramedical staff could significantly contribute to ensuring the safety and well-being of casino patrons. Although casinos are primarily places where people go for entertainment and profit, the operators should put in place health emergency measures could potentially mitigate the impact of unforeseen events. On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?

What i may support with your suggestion here is the use of first aid box and kit in case of emergency conditions, gambling platforms or locations aren't an arena where we could turn to be an hospital and people begin to come up gambling and displaying their health challenges over there, if it were to be the sports organizations, this would have been more acceptable because they are responsible for the welfare of their players they make use of in playing sports, but for casinos, theirs is to gambling and create an enabling environment for you to gamble and not to make an additional offer on any gamblers health challenges, but in case of the first aid emergency cases, such could be encouraged only.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on August 30, 2023, 12:51:58 AM

I think casinos aren't to blame here because its up to states/countries to define laws enforcing health clinics or doctors in casinos. I feel like crowded casinos must have doctors for sure if they are far away to any health facilities. Emergency issues like this one happen very rarely but its very deadly as well. Cardiac issues are very dangerous sadly it's sometimes about your luck. My relative once experienced same went to hospital lately but survived.

It seems that it also has to do with the laws governing gambling in the state/country because if it's written in the regulations that casinos must provide health clinics or have medical personnel, the casinos will provide them. But if not, the casino will not provide it either because the casino is a place to play gambling and everyone already understands that only those who are healthy may or are allowed to play gambling because there is a risk of getting a heart attack.

However, the casino should immediately provide medical personnel to prevent heart attacks or other illnesses that can occur when customers are gambling. After all, it will be an additional service for its customers and it may be one of the best casinos because it has medical personnel who are always ready to help people who need them.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 01:16:51 AM

This happened in 2022 and although I do not know the outcome of the court case, my thoughts are that the discussion about casinos should go beyond security measures to cover how prepared they are in the event of a health emergency . I think that well-equipped First Aid Kit and trained paramedical staff could significantly contribute to ensuring the safety and well-being of casino patrons. Although casinos are primarily places where people go for entertainment and profit, the operators should put in place health emergency measures could potentially mitigate the impact of unforeseen events. On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?

If the guy died in a bank, should the bank be blamed for his death? If the guy died in a Wallmart or Target store should Wallmart and Target be blamed for his death. What will happen, if all grocery stores, banks and offline casinos are required by the law to hire medics and buy medical equipment, just in case such thing happens? There won't be enough doctors and nurses to cover this growing demand.
This is the American judicial system, everyone is suing everyone for money. I don't blame the family of the guy, who died. They are just trying to take advantage of the system.

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This is happening a lot more than most people think. You have to remember something.... a lot of pensioners are gambling at these brick n mortar casinos and their health are poor. They sit for hours behind a Slot machine or at a gambling table under stressful circumstances and before you know it, something bad happens.

I have seen elderly people going to casinos in wheelchairs with oxygen masks packed in the back, because they are so addicted to gambling that not even their health conditions can keep them away.

I have even seen videos where gamblers urinate on their chair in front of the slots that they are playing..... not wanting to take a break to go to the toilet. Roll Eyes

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In offline casinos there'll be emergency medical services, none could've thought that he's suffering from Cardiac arrest. Human life is more important, and surely the dealer could've stopped the play and taken necessary measures. Now the blame shouldn't be on the dealer or the casino. Whenever we spend money we can experience the difference in our heartbeat. I don't know about others, but I personally experience difference and we only need to be responsible handling ourselves understanding gambling isn't meant for us.

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I think casinos aren't to blame here because its up to states/countries to define laws enforcing health clinics or doctors in casinos. I feel like crowded casinos must have doctors for sure if they are far away to any health facilities. Emergency issues like this one happen very rarely but its very deadly as well. Cardiac issues are very dangerous sadly it's sometimes about your luck. My relative once experienced same went to hospital lately but survived.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 01:16:51 AM

This happened in 2022 and although I do not know the outcome of the court case, my thoughts are that the discussion about casinos should go beyond security measures to cover how prepared they are in the event of a health emergency . I think that well-equipped First Aid Kit and trained paramedical staff could significantly contribute to ensuring the safety and well-being of casino patrons. Although casinos are primarily places where people go for entertainment and profit, the operators should put in place health emergency measures could potentially mitigate the impact of unforeseen events. On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?

This is really a sad incident. Sad

I do not know who is right or wrong in this incident but the people who can't control their emotions and who feel a lot of tension about losing on gambling or being treated in a wrong way, they should not play gambling.

Gambling is made for those who have big hearts and strong minds and who are able to absorb the pressure of the game, the pressure of a loss. Gambling is not designed for weak-hearted persons.

I have seen people faint upon having lost in the casino but this story of a deceased person is a new one for me.

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Quote from: abel1337 on August 27, 2023, 12:16:37 PM

Do the dealer know that the man is having a cardiac arrest? I think not given the table still has players who are playing. I think that the victim didn't show signs of getting a cardiac arrest or ask for help. Personally, I will be bothered if my opponent in the table is having a cardiac arrest, I will personally the one who will go out of the table and ask the dealer to get help but yeah, we really don't know what actually happened.

Happenings like this are unexpected and I'm sure that the casino has their own clinnic or personel that is incharge of this kind of situation, I'm also positive that the dealer won't sacrifice his job by not helping the gambler.

To be fair determining that a cardiac arrest took place can be difficult for the untrained person, as people can literally drop dead without presenting any symptoms, so in an environment in which people get drunk all the time and they pass out while gambling then differentiating between those people and those having a heart attack can be difficult.

However some protocols should still be in place in order to try to prevent such events from happening and giving medical care as fast as possible to those people, and I think that is where the casino linked at the OP failed.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 01:16:51 AM

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A man experiencing cardiac arrest and who later died was slumped over a blackjack table at Wynn Las Vegas for more than 15 minutes while the dealer continued to deal cards to another player, according to a wrongful death lawsuit filed this week in District Court. David Jagolinzer, an attorney from Florida, was staying at the Wynn when he suffered a cardiac arrest on April 6, 2022, while playing blackjack on the casino floor. The dealer at his table continued to deal while Jagolinzer was slumped over, according to a complaint filed Thursday.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/lawsuit-dealer-continued-to-deal-with-man-slumped-over-during-cardiac-arrest-2731495/

This happened in 2022 and although I do not know the outcome of the court case, my thoughts are that the discussion about casinos should go beyond security measures to cover how prepared they are in the event of a health emergency . I think that well-equipped First Aid Kit and trained paramedical staff could significantly contribute to ensuring the safety and well-being of casino patrons. Although casinos are primarily places where people go for entertainment and profit, the operators should put in place health emergency measures could potentially mitigate the impact of unforeseen events. On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?

Do the dealer know that the man is having a cardiac arrest? I think not given the table still has players who are playing. I think that the victim didn't show signs of getting a cardiac arrest or ask for help. Personally, I will be bothered if my opponent in the table is having a cardiac arrest, I will personally the one who will go out of the table and ask the dealer to get help but yeah, we really don't know what actually happened.

Happenings like this are unexpected and I'm sure that the casino has their own clinnic or personel that is incharge of this kind of situation, I'm also positive that the dealer won't sacrifice his job by not helping the gambler.

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first of all, surely the dealer is to blame. Why wait all this time in front of a particular event? I find that really absurd...

second importante thing, the casino should set up company procedures for such cases and always provide proper education to its employees. Employer should follow always instructions while on work...

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Quote from: ryzaadit on August 23, 2023, 01:46:31 AM

They are already prepared with any kind of (First Aid Kit)

But, do you know? most of the kit is only for the common case. Cardiac arrest (heart-attack) is not really a common case (it's really rare to be happening) and most of service provider is also are gonna to provided the same things that casino provided.

They are ready, for any kind common issue because that was the most they're facing.

I think there are also lots of cases of Cardiac Arrest especially if the weather is hot or the place/area is hot. Another cause of it is too much excitement which can be felt when we play gambling. If a casino can offer other promotions, then I believe they also have first aid kit.

It's one of the ways to show their support to their customer and customers will have a good impression with it, so they can come back again on this casino. If we know that we have a problem with our heart, it would be better to avoid things that can trigger it. Asking someone to bet for us, might still be a bad idea because it can still cause us to be emotional whatever the results are.

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Quote from: piebeyb on August 27, 2023, 09:26:47 AM

Yes, maybe because of his history of heart disease that made him a gambler, as we know that to treat this disease requires a lot of money and it costs a lot of money to treat this disease so maybe gamblers who have a history of this disease have reasons to play gambling in the casino, but in fact this is still an error and must be blamed, the casino cannot be blamed even so there must still be a first aid service.

Because we don't know about this incident happening in casinos even though it is very rare in any casino, but this can be prepared to prevent it from happening where people have a heart attack while gambling and can be taken immediately to the hospital using the casino's ambulance if there is one. to make it easier to solve such serious problems to be dealt with quickly.

Really, you blame the gambler?

Heart disease often occur when he's surprised or anxiety, I don't read where the gambler is losing all of his money, so gambling isn't the reason in this case. This is just unexpected, the gambler isn't wrong and the casino can't be blamed too.

If the gambler feel anxiety because he lose in gambling, he must know if gambling is only for fun.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on August 27, 2023, 09:15:10 AM

If you ask who is at fault, of course the user is at fault, who told him to gamble, already knows he has a heart history, why does he keep going to the casino, he's looking for disease.

Yes, maybe because of his history of heart disease that made him a gambler, as we know that to treat this disease requires a lot of money and it costs a lot of money to treat this disease so maybe gamblers who have a history of this disease have reasons to play gambling in the casino, but in fact this is still an error and must be blamed, the casino cannot be blamed even so there must still be a first aid service.

Because we don't know about this incident happening in casinos even though it is very rare in any casino, but this can be prepared to prevent it from happening where people have a heart attack while gambling and can be taken immediately to the hospital using the casino's ambulance if there is one. to make it easier to solve such serious problems to be dealt with quickly.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 01:16:51 AM

Cases of heart attack, as far as I know, have occurred more than once and almost casinos have experienced users such as health symptoms, that's almost the average casino or traditional gamblers like chicken gambling have ever happened to those who try to gamble at an advanced age, that's nothing new to my knowledge.
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SUKKUR: A cockfighting gambler suffered from a severe heart attack and died after the cock, on which he put his stake lost in a fight near Gharo city, District Thatta on Sunday. Shahid Ali, a fan and gambler of cockfighting, bet on one of the cocks. However, his favorite cock lost the battle and Shahid was obliged to pay Rs100,000 as booty to the winner of the bet.

However, for that overall the doctor or medical provided by the casino, I think it's a little contrary to medical law, they can only practice in legal places such as clinics, hospitals and those related to health, casinos/gambling venues I think most of them are illegal, it's a violation if a medical team is placed there, maybe if it's a medical call I think there is, of course they don't treat patients in the casino, they take them to the hospital if there is a health problem that happens in the casino.

If you ask who is at fault, of course the user is at fault, who told him to gamble, already knows he has a heart history, why does he keep going to the casino, he's looking for disease.

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