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Quote from: bittraffic on August 23, 2023, 01:29:01 AM

The casino most likely didn't know he was having a heart attack. If they did know, he would have been dragged out of the casino so that they will not have any responsibility for his death. Incidents like this don't happen often but I do think casinos have clinics to respond to such incidents.

If the guy was sitting looking at the table for a minute, without moving, the dealer should've asked if he's ok. Imagine you work at a restaurant and one guy looks like he's asleep at the table. You want to wake him up and ask if he's ok, as you don't want him to vomit there, or fall down and cut his head. I've seen this happen when a drunk guy wasn't feeling too well at the pub and went to the bathroom probably to puke. He came out all dizzy and cut his forehead. There was a lot of blood and they had to call an ambulance.
We're not machines at work and we shouldn't act like ones. IMO it was the dealer's fault.

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Quote from: slapper on August 26, 2023, 02:19:24 PM

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Every business, particularly establishments such as casinos, must prioritize the safety of their customers. Having medical personnel on standby? Absolutely brilliant! I've constructed numerous businesses throughout my career, and I've always believed in over-preparation. Casinos, with their flashing lights, thrilling games, and sometimes intense atmospheres, can undoubtedly raise a person's blood pressure

While it is true that emergencies in casinos are not common, it is still prudent to be prepared. You wouldn't believe the tranquility it provides! And why don't other casinos contemplate this? They're lacking a key element

Yes, with all the entertainment in the casino, it can increase the tension, and of course, it will affect the health of someone who is playing gambling. So having medical personnel at the casino is necessary so that the casino can provide first aid to its victims and be taken to the hospital for further assistance. Having all the proper preparations can make the casino always ready for everything that can happen.

Indeed, in casinos, it is rare that things related to one's health happen, but there is nothing wrong if the casino can provide medical personnel every day and every hour. It will also give peace of mind to its members because they can see that the casino cares about all its members and those in the casino. And that will be a plus for the casino.

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Quote from: maydna on August 26, 2023, 08:54:17 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on August 25, 2023, 07:42:08 AM

Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, the casino's that I have been, they have like complete set of health workers with heavy equipment ready in case that something went wrong in their casinos.

I personally witnessed it once and they are quick to response in such kind of emergencies and they don't like to have this kind of situations on their floor. And I was told that emergency health personnel are there 24x7 being paid by casinos. So not sure how this casinos are not prepared or at least look the machines to help their customers in such situations.

It's good if you're in a casino that can have a health worker because that would be needed if something bad happened to the gamblers. While casinos don't want anything bad to happen to them, they also know that anything can happen, so they feel it's better to be prepared just in case. And other casinos should be able to do the same thing to guard against all the bad possibilities that can happen.

After all, bad things like that don't happen too often in casinos either. Maybe there will be new regulations for casinos that will regulate that casinos must have health workers with first aid for victims.

Every business, particularly establishments such as casinos, must prioritize the safety of their customers. Having medical personnel on standby? Absolutely brilliant! I've constructed numerous businesses throughout my career, and I've always believed in over-preparation. Casinos, with their flashing lights, thrilling games, and sometimes intense atmospheres, can undoubtedly raise a person's blood pressure

While it is true that emergencies in casinos are not common, it is still prudent to be prepared. You wouldn't believe the tranquility it provides! And why don't other casinos contemplate this? They're lacking a key element

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Quote from: ryzaadit on August 23, 2023, 01:46:31 AM

They are already prepared with any kind of (First Aid Kit)

But, do you know? most of the kit is only for the common case. Cardiac arrest (heart-attack) is not really a common case (it's really rare to be happening) and most of service provider is also are gonna to provided the same things that casino provided.

They are ready, for any kind common issue because that was the most they're facing.

Exactly, it was just too bad a timing or they didn't know the person was experiencing such case. As far as I know you won't open a casino if they aren't checked thoroughly by the corresponding agencies that handles it, they should abide with the health and safety protocols including first aid kits or they train personnels to do so.

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Quote from: Dave1 on August 25, 2023, 07:42:08 AM

Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, the casino's that I have been, they have like complete set of health workers with heavy equipment ready in case that something went wrong in their casinos.

I personally witnessed it once and they are quick to response in such kind of emergencies and they don't like to have this kind of situations on their floor. And I was told that emergency health personnel are there 24x7 being paid by casinos. So not sure how this casinos are not prepared or at least look the machines to help their customers in such situations.

It's good if you're in a casino that can have a health worker because that would be needed if something bad happened to the gamblers. While casinos don't want anything bad to happen to them, they also know that anything can happen, so they feel it's better to be prepared just in case. And other casinos should be able to do the same thing to guard against all the bad possibilities that can happen.

After all, bad things like that don't happen too often in casinos either. Maybe there will be new regulations for casinos that will regulate that casinos must have health workers with first aid for victims.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 01:16:51 AM

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A man experiencing cardiac arrest and who later died was slumped over a blackjack table at Wynn Las Vegas for more than 15 minutes while the dealer continued to deal cards to another player, according to a wrongful death lawsuit filed this week in District Court. David Jagolinzer, an attorney from Florida, was staying at the Wynn when he suffered a cardiac arrest on April 6, 2022, while playing blackjack on the casino floor. The dealer at his table continued to deal while Jagolinzer was slumped over, according to a complaint filed Thursday.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/lawsuit-dealer-continued-to-deal-with-man-slumped-over-during-cardiac-arrest-2731495/

This happened in 2022 and although I do not know the outcome of the court case, my thoughts are that the discussion about casinos should go beyond security measures to cover how prepared they are in the event of a health emergency . I think that well-equipped First Aid Kit and trained paramedical staff could significantly contribute to ensuring the safety and well-being of casino patrons. Although casinos are primarily places where people go for entertainment and profit, the operators should put in place health emergency measures could potentially mitigate the impact of unforeseen events. On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?

From that perspective, every public place should have someone who has an expertise in healthcare such as, restaurants, clubs, workplaces etc...
You never know one can get a cardiac arrest anytime. I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings but this incident can happen to anyone at any time.
Yes, I agree with your point that certain healthcare measures should be taken by the casino such as a partnership with some nearby hospital or something.
So that in case of emergencies the nearby hospital can send their ambulance quickly and get things done sooner.

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Quote from: Juse14 on August 25, 2023, 07:32:55 AM

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on August 23, 2023, 11:38:53 PM

Quote from: Juse14 on August 23, 2023, 11:03:39 PM

I'm also sure that for an international casino class they definitely provide a first aid kit. However, the first aid kit will not help people with heart attacks at all, the best way is to take them directly to the hospital.

Yes, I agree with you and the previous comments that the casino probably had a first aid kit but that it did not include a defibrillator. In large organisations it is not uncommon for there to be a defibrillator for every x number of people and at least some people are trained to use it if necessary.

However, I imagine that statistically it is very rare, and that it is not just because of one case that casinos the size of this one are going to be forced to have defibrillators and train their staff.

Yes.. maybe it's a new assignment for casino establishments that they have defibrillators in case a visitor has a history of heart disease.

But this is also a warning for us not to go to the casino alone. We will never know what will happen to us next. Therefore it is important for us to always be vigilant, alert and always anticipate the possibilities that will occur.

Someone's selfish attitude and greed make them choose to go to the casino alone because they don't want to lose. Because if they get a victory they have to share it with their friends.

Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, the casino's that I have been, they have like complete set of health workers with heavy equipment ready in case that something went wrong in their casinos.

I personally witnessed it once and they are quick to response in such kind of emergencies and they don't like to have this kind of situations on their floor. And I was told that emergency health personnel are there 24x7 being paid by casinos. So not sure how this casinos are not prepared or at least look the machines to help their customers in such situations.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on August 23, 2023, 11:38:53 PM

Quote from: Juse14 on August 23, 2023, 11:03:39 PM

I'm also sure that for an international casino class they definitely provide a first aid kit. However, the first aid kit will not help people with heart attacks at all, the best way is to take them directly to the hospital.

Yes, I agree with you and the previous comments that the casino probably had a first aid kit but that it did not include a defibrillator. In large organisations it is not uncommon for there to be a defibrillator for every x number of people and at least some people are trained to use it if necessary.

However, I imagine that statistically it is very rare, and that it is not just because of one case that casinos the size of this one are going to be forced to have defibrillators and train their staff.

Yes.. maybe it's a new assignment for casino establishments that they have defibrillators in case a visitor has a history of heart disease.

But this is also a warning for us not to go to the casino alone. We will never know what will happen to us next. Therefore it is important for us to always be vigilant, alert and always anticipate the possibilities that will occur.

Someone's selfish attitude and greed make them choose to go to the casino alone because they don't want to lose. Because if they get a victory they have to share it with their friends.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on August 23, 2023, 11:38:53 PM

Quote from: Juse14 on August 23, 2023, 11:03:39 PM

I'm also sure that for an international casino class they definitely provide a first aid kit. However, the first aid kit will not help people with heart attacks at all, the best way is to take them directly to the hospital.

Yes, I agree with you and the previous comments that the casino probably had a first aid kit but that it did not include a defibrillator. In large organisations it is not uncommon for there to be a defibrillator for every x number of people and at least some people are trained to use it if necessary.

However, I imagine that statistically it is very rare, and that it is not just because of one case that casinos the size of this one are going to be forced to have defibrillators and train their staff.

There's just a protociol in which the staffs of a casino would be following. In case of emergencies then protocols should include an urgent action with such instance. First aid would help indeed but still it would be better to put professionals in your casino ( for landbased ones). For sure casinos in such cases are having huge revenue already for them to not be prepared of unfortunate cases including health related one. All businesses should be ready with health related problems and other emergencies pehaps fire related, since it is their service which collects people in your casino in the first place.

And going back with protocols not all staffs are aware of the things to be done in such problem. Should they be knowledgeable of first aid? no, that's not their responsibility anymore. A casino should allot particular professionals for that.

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Quote from: dothebeats on August 23, 2023, 06:53:09 PM

It is illegal for a huge business or establishment to not have any nurses or doctors on stand-by during hours of operation. I think the casino in question have the medical team and quick response team on their speed dial, it's just that the dealer failed to assess the situation correctly.

Really? I'm not aware about this. As far as I know only live events, especially the ones opened to the public, like shows, exhibitions and parties must have paramedicals in stand-by, walking among the public and attentive to any emergencies which may happen to support in time, until the ambulance arrives to take the patient to the hospital for further treatment. However, I have never seen such professionals at casinos in stand-by.

As far as I know the maximum casinos have are bodyguards equipped with first-aid packages to treat light injuries and some emergencies.

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Quote from: bitcampaign on August 23, 2023, 10:45:23 PM

In my opinion, every big casino is required to have a medical, first aid, and doctor who is ready for emergencies, because things like that can happen to players or during gambling, whether it's a heart attack, commotion in gambling, and much more. coupled with the condition when playing emotionally which can accelerate one's heart when playing has a fast beat, you can also work with dealers who are able to handle things like convulsions, or heart attacks, at least they can provide first aid so that conditions are not too bad when , so in my opinion medical and medicinal places should at least be held in big casinos and even the smallest casinos.

There may still be casinos that haven't thought about having first aid kits or medical personnel because casinos have never encountered such a case. But with that incident, casino owners should have started preparing so that if something like this happened, they could immediately provide assistance to the victims. But gamblers should also make sure that they are fine and don't have heart disease so that if they experience a big loss or win, they won't have a heart attack, which can result in death due to late treatment. Gambling can affect one's emotions and heart because there will be moments when a person wins or loses big, which can make him shocked and unable to bear the overflowing feelings.

It's better if casinos really have medical equipment such as first aid to provide first aid if someone has a heart attack. Only after that, the casino can contact the hospital to send the patient there for even more serious treatment. This is a valuable lesson for the casino so that it can be even better in the future and also a valuable lesson for gamblers so they can gamble with excellent physical condition.

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Quote from: Juse14 on August 23, 2023, 11:03:39 PM

I'm also sure that for an international casino class they definitely provide a first aid kit. However, the first aid kit will not help people with heart attacks at all, the best way is to take them directly to the hospital.

Yes, I agree with you and the previous comments that the casino probably had a first aid kit but that it did not include a defibrillator. In large organisations it is not uncommon for there to be a defibrillator for every x number of people and at least some people are trained to use it if necessary.

However, I imagine that statistically it is very rare, and that it is not just because of one case that casinos the size of this one are going to be forced to have defibrillators and train their staff.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on August 23, 2023, 04:51:47 PM

Anything relating to heart problems is sometimes very critical, and first aid in casinos is not just something that can easily help; the best thing to do is to call an emergency. If perhaps they never did call an emergency, then it was bad of them. But although it's not the fault of the casino, if the man had already had some heart disease earlier on, then the family of the man should not file any charges against the casino. There is no well-established organisation that doesn't have a first aid kit, and I believe the casino also usually has one.

I'm also sure that for an international casino class they definitely provide a first aid kit. However, the first aid kit will not help people with heart attacks at all, the best way is to take them directly to the hospital.
Maybe either they were too enjoying the game so they didn't realize that someone was unconscious in the middle of the game. Or maybe the casino has no humanity so they prefer to continue the game and ignore someone who falls in the middle of the game.

But I think that this is about a humanitarian crisis at the Las Vegas casino, the lack of sympathy, empathy and mutual assistance to one another. they just let it go.

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In my opinion, every big casino is required to have a medical, first aid, and doctor who is ready for emergencies, because things like that can happen to players or during gambling, whether it's a heart attack, commotion in gambling, and much more. coupled with the condition when playing emotionally which can accelerate one's heart when playing has a fast beat, you can also work with dealers who are able to handle things like convulsions, or heart attacks, at least they can provide first aid so that conditions are not too bad when , so in my opinion medical and medicinal places should at least be held in big casinos and even the smallest casinos.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 01:16:51 AM

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A man experiencing cardiac arrest and who later died was slumped over a blackjack table at Wynn Las Vegas for more than 15 minutes while the dealer continued to deal cards to another player, according to a wrongful death lawsuit filed this week in District Court. David Jagolinzer, an attorney from Florida, was staying at the Wynn when he suffered a cardiac arrest on April 6, 2022, while playing blackjack on the casino floor. The dealer at his table continued to deal while Jagolinzer was slumped over, according to a complaint filed Thursday.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/lawsuit-dealer-continued-to-deal-with-man-slumped-over-during-cardiac-arrest-2731495/

This happened in 2022 and although I do not know the outcome of the court case, my thoughts are that the discussion about casinos should go beyond security measures to cover how prepared they are in the event of a health emergency . I think that well-equipped First Aid Kit and trained paramedical staff could significantly contribute to ensuring the safety and well-being of casino patrons. Although casinos are primarily places where people go for entertainment and profit, the operators should put in place health emergency measures could potentially mitigate the impact of unforeseen events. On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?

For sure, the casino didn't know it. I mean, there are a lot of drunk people for sure in the casino, and the dealer thought that he was just drunk and got laid off to the floor. Or they have a protocol that the dealer doesn't need to take care of those events, only the security, but again, you are right, there should be some that look after those kinds of situations no matter what, which I've also noticed mostly, like a medic on standby inside the casino, only the security, so this needs to be implemented so that it would be prevented.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 23, 2023, 06:28:42 PM

You are saying one or a couple of paramedics should be locked in one casino instead of giving care to others in different places? Hmm, maybe a private company can do that. Although I seriously doubt a cardiac arrest can be helped out at that event with first aid, the first thing they should think about is bringing the patient as quickly as possible to the hospital where proper care will be applied. I think the amount of securities they put in every physical casino is enough to do that job. They all have eyes on those who cheat so I doubt they will not see what is happening unless it's an attack that is not too obvious like mild strokes or whatever.
One case should not make it a way to sudden changes. Maybe there are cases where they reacted fast but only the rare bad one came out of the news.

Having a first aid kit is important but how to use it is also vital. There are basic first aid treatments that can be administered to a cardiac arrest patient. The first step to take is to call a hospital emergency service and begin a high-quality cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR). This is why every organization not only casinos should always train their staff periodically. A simple CPR would have been helpful before the coming of qualified health officials. Although this is a piece of bad news it will serve as a wake-up call to other casinos. It is a call to focus not just on profit maximization but the welfare of the clients.

Quote from: Iroh on August 23, 2023, 06:59:11 PM

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 23, 2023, 11:23:26 AM

The dealer in the story should be prosecuted also for negligence by the casino where the incident happened. I do believe he/she was in a vantage position to clearly observe the composure of everyone playing on the table and should have been the first responder.

Why should the dealer be held accountable for anything? The dealer was doing what he was supposed to do and that’s to deal cards. What about the other people sitting at the table or even the person sitting right next to him? Why not hold them all liable and also move to prosecute them
The dealer wasn’t negligent as it’s not in the job description to babysit people who come in to play. It’s really sad the man went unnoticed for a while and died but the dealer shouldn’t be blamed for anything.

This is not just a morality issue but a legal one. If the law states that the company is liable for the well-being of clients within its premises, then it will be held liable. This is not also the issue of babysitting clients, a gamer not responding for about fifteen minutes should be a concern to the attendant. The casino is not a hotel where clients should be left alone to rest or sleep.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 01:16:51 AM

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A man experiencing cardiac arrest and who later died was slumped over a blackjack table at Wynn Las Vegas for more than 15 minutes while the dealer continued to deal cards to another player, according to a wrongful death lawsuit filed this week in District Court. David Jagolinzer, an attorney from Florida, was staying at the Wynn when he suffered a cardiac arrest on April 6, 2022, while playing blackjack on the casino floor. The dealer at his table continued to deal while Jagolinzer was slumped over, according to a complaint filed Thursday.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/lawsuit-dealer-continued-to-deal-with-man-slumped-over-during-cardiac-arrest-2731495/

This happened in 2022 and although I do not know the outcome of the court case, my thoughts are that the discussion about casinos should go beyond security measures to cover how prepared they are in the event of a health emergency . I think that well-equipped First Aid Kit and trained paramedical staff could significantly contribute to ensuring the safety and well-being of casino patrons. Although casinos are primarily places where people go for entertainment and profit, the operators should put in place health emergency measures could potentially mitigate the impact of unforeseen events. On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?

Casinos should be held to the same standards as other businesses, so if there is no need for other businesses to have trained medical staff then casinos should not be forced to have those kind of measures on hand.

However as we know many casinos are also hotels and most hotels do indeed have some medical personal on hand to help their customers in the case of an emergency, however what is outrageous out of this story is that people kept playing despite a person being unconscious on the same table, now I understand that this is probably a behavior they see all the time as people get drunk at casinos very often, but to have no protocol in place to deal with this and call to emergencies is simply bad practice, and the family should be able to get some compensation due to this oversight.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 23, 2023, 11:23:26 AM

The dealer in the story should be prosecuted also for negligence by the casino where the incident happened. I do believe he/she was in a vantage position to clearly observe the composure of everyone playing on the table and should have been the first responder.

Why should the dealer be held accountable for anything? The dealer was doing what he was supposed to do and that’s to deal cards. What about the other people sitting at the table or even the person sitting right next to him? Why not hold them all liable and also move to prosecute them
The dealer wasn’t negligent as it’s not in the job description to babysit people who come in to play. It’s really sad the man went unnoticed for a while and died but the dealer shouldn’t be blamed for anything.

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Quote from: uneng on August 23, 2023, 05:51:30 PM

I think to enforce casinos to have paramedicals teams would be a very abusive regulation. I think the emergency service must be efficient and reach every locations pretty fast and that is all. Here in our country the service is managed by the government, but in other countries I think it can be managed by the private sector too.

Citizens just have to make sure the system is working properly, but not forcing businessmen to increase their debt by hiring paramedicals or acquiring medical equipments for their businesses. After all, I don't think it's their obligation.

It is illegal for a huge business or establishment to not have any nurses or doctors on stand-by during hours of operation. I think the casino in question have the medical team and quick response team on their speed dial, it's just that the dealer failed to assess the situation correctly. If I were the casino, I'd put the blame on the dealer for not calling the relevant team that handles such concerns. Also, the dealer could have alerted a security nearby to wake the person up. Well, what's done is done. The man's lawyer could sue this casino for a huge sum, that's for sure.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 23, 2023, 01:16:51 AM

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A man experiencing cardiac arrest and who later died was slumped over a blackjack table at Wynn Las Vegas for more than 15 minutes while the dealer continued to deal cards to another player, according to a wrongful death lawsuit filed this week in District Court. David Jagolinzer, an attorney from Florida, was staying at the Wynn when he suffered a cardiac arrest on April 6, 2022, while playing blackjack on the casino floor. The dealer at his table continued to deal while Jagolinzer was slumped over, according to a complaint filed Thursday.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/lawsuit-dealer-continued-to-deal-with-man-slumped-over-during-cardiac-arrest-2731495/

Man, I believe that every country has very clear laws about medical emergencies, I don't know if in the place where this fact actually occurred it was necessary to have a medical team or first aid kits available, but obviously I am to believe that AT A MINIMUM they should have called the emergency requesting urgent medical help.
It's notable how even today many face-to-face casinos value profit in the first place, as they believed that any "different" movement could generate turmoil and losses for the house.... regretful to have to read this.

But I agree with a colleague here.... I believe that no one noticed that the bettor was feeling sick, even because in this game it is necessary to "maintain discretion" in order to be able to bluff correctly and also interpret the opponents' body result.

In any case, I believe that the casino is the main culprit in the case of omission of help, and should be punished.

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