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legendary
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January 27, 2014, 01:33:46 PM
#50
Just like with that silk road dude. Stupidity did him in. Sorry, Charlie.

Bitcoiners should take lessons from this guy on how to weave in and out of a crowd conducting bitcoin transactions without being noticed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FFe_42TpiY&src_vid=qFHbXSnNkXU&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_3965703473
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January 27, 2014, 01:30:08 PM
#49
If you knowingly facilitate the commission of a crime you have to expect that you risk facing consequences as a result...

The key to this is that he allegedly knew that the coins were being used for illegal activities... It makes no difference if it's Bitcoins or Dollars, you can't knowingly break the law without risking your freedom.

It's no big surprise.

That's why all the voters in America are criminals. They constantly vote for crime-lords in Government offices, who don't obey their Oath of Office to uphold the Constitution.

We're getting our freedom taken away as a result. Things like Bitcoin happen to be extending our freedoms a bit, and for a time.

Smiley


I agree, Americans have been made criminals by rampant legislation. You have a choice to break the law but you can't expect to be safe in doing it.

I don't believe the votes in America mean anything; who remembers the Florida recount? How far off was the count?

We made our bed and now we sleep in it. I hope this generation and the next can bring us back to the Constitution.
legendary
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January 27, 2014, 01:29:59 PM
#48
Charlie was no fool, he's just to young!
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January 27, 2014, 01:29:18 PM
#47
This will not effect bitcoin in the long term.
"Truly innovative business models don't need to resort to old-fashioned law-breaking, and when Bitcoins, like any traditional currency, are laundered and used to fuel criminal activity, law enforcement has no choice but to act."

Personal opinions on the war on drugs aside, he left himself open for this. Allegedly he knowingly facilitated transactions in an effort to launder money, regardless of the currency. During court the evidence will show whether this is a true allegation or just a smear campaign.

There is no surprise that the US government would aim to arrest those who helped facilitate the silk road, none.

As far as the double standard with banking goes, it IS bullshit, but bears no weight on this specific case. I'm sure HSBC spent a lot of time, money and effort to cover their ass, and Shrem will probably cooperate and facilitate a further investigation and get out with hefty fines, a very brief all expensive paid vacation to upstate new york, and a smeared reputation.

But the bright side, if the government holds a decent amount of bitcoin, will they not protect their investment? Maybe that's just the optimist in me.

+1


on a side note, Antonopoulos will be discussing this and BTC in general on joe rogan today, 3 pm pacific:
http://www.ustream.tv/joerogan
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January 27, 2014, 01:26:44 PM
#46
Just like with that silk road dude. Stupidity did him in. Sorry, Charlie.
sr. member
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January 27, 2014, 01:25:57 PM
#45
So much for Bitcoin as money loundering tool. We are talking about a million which is almost nothing and you still get traced.

the complaint filed referenced 1mill+

Still less than what cartels or other big criminal organizations needs to launder every hour.

a mill+ ranges from 1mil to 1000000000000~ mill
legendary
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January 27, 2014, 01:25:28 PM
#44
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/01/27/winklevoss-funded-bitcoin-startup-ceo-arrested-in-silk-road-investigation/

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Messages dug up between Shrem and Faiella tell a different story. “We know you are violating our Terms of Service and we know you are reselling on the Silk Road. This is illegal,” Shrem wrote to BTCKing in January of 2012. But even then, and despite several conversations with a BitInstant co-founder who asked Shrem to ban BTCKing, Shrem is accused of continuing to process his transactions. (The indictment also alleges that Shrem himself bought pot brownies from a Silk Road vendor, as further evidence that the understood the illegal uses of the site.)

Hate to say it, but I believe this probe is much, much deeper, and expect more arrests by spring, throwing an iconic enterprise into a tailspin.

newbie
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January 27, 2014, 01:22:46 PM
#43
This will not effect bitcoin in the long term.
"Truly innovative business models don't need to resort to old-fashioned law-breaking, and when Bitcoins, like any traditional currency, are laundered and used to fuel criminal activity, law enforcement has no choice but to act."

Personal opinions on the war on drugs aside, he left himself open for this. Allegedly he knowingly facilitated transactions in an effort to launder money, regardless of the currency. During court the evidence will show whether this is a true allegation or just a smear campaign.

There is no surprise that the US government would aim to arrest those who helped facilitate the silk road, none.

As far as the double standard with banking goes, it IS bullshit, but bears no weight on this specific case. I'm sure HSBC spent a lot of time, money and effort to cover their ass, and Shrem will probably cooperate and facilitate a further investigation and get out with hefty fines, a very brief all expensive paid vacation to upstate new york, and a smeared reputation.

But the bright side, if the government holds a decent amount of bitcoin, will they not protect their investment? Maybe that's just the optimist in me.
sr. member
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January 27, 2014, 01:20:56 PM
#42
So much for Bitcoin as money loundering tool. We are talking about a million which is almost nothing and you still get traced.

the complaint filed referenced 1mill+

Still less than what cartels or other big criminal organizations needs to launder every hour.
legendary
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January 27, 2014, 01:19:37 PM
#41

I'll bet that the song which Shrem can sing will give a fair number of folks the shivers.  This in particular since pretty much any TCP/IP packet than anyone has sent/received since the first block was mined can be pulled back out of the ether.  And can be used in a court of law if the stream can be sufficiently laundered.

legendary
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January 27, 2014, 01:18:55 PM
#40
Why would the Winklevosses back a guy like Charlie Shrem?   A simple google search brings up articles that are very questionable and certainly disqualify him from ever being taken seriously as the leader of any business.   Love the one that states "I will never hire someone I have not gotten drunk or stoned with".  A little background check before writing a venture capital check?
That's the best part. It just proves that the Winkleiidouches have about as much business acumen as a bowl of noodles. They got their money from suing someone with actual business savvy and determination. I hope they "invest" away their entire settlement. lol
http://www.vocativ.com/12-2013/night-bitcoin-millionaire-proud-stoner-charlie-shrem/
What kind of moron would think this is GOOD PR for bitcoin, the foundation, bitinstant or even EVR (his bar)?

Charlie appears to be the assistant prosecutor in the case against himself.
I wonder if Yifu is getting nervous about now.   Since he was posing in all those mags bragging about how smart and wealthy he is, I am sure he reported all those profits and paid the NYC 54% tax rate that the government deserves correct?
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January 27, 2014, 01:13:52 PM
#38
Yeah this is just down to silkroad though, so he was bound for this fait.
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January 27, 2014, 01:13:47 PM
#37
US government own DPR stash and now own the bitinstant/foundation hoard. i guess their working their way down the list or people with most bitcoins.

I wonder if they've invested any time or resources trying to track down Satoshi?

Maybe the feds are satoshi lol. /conspiracy theory.
legendary
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January 27, 2014, 01:12:44 PM
#36
Why would the Winklevosses back a guy like Charlie Shrem?   A simple google search brings up articles that are very questionable and certainly disqualify him from ever being taken seriously as the leader of any business.   Love the one that states "I will never hire someone I have not gotten drunk or stoned with".  A little background check before writing a venture capital check?

That's the best part. It just proves that the Winkleiidouches have about as much business acumen as a bowl of noodles. They got their money from suing someone with actual business savvy and determination. I hope they "invest" away their entire settlement. lol
sr. member
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January 27, 2014, 01:12:23 PM
#35
So much for Bitcoin as money loundering tool. We are talking about a million which is almost nothing and you still get traced.

the complaint filed referenced 1mill+
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January 27, 2014, 01:10:51 PM
#34
US government own DPR stash and now own the bitinstant/foundation hoard. i guess their working their way down the list or people with most bitcoins.

I wonder if they've invested any time or resources trying to track down Satoshi?
sr. member
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January 27, 2014, 01:10:30 PM
#33
So much for Bitcoin as money loundering tool. We are talking about a million which is almost nothing and you still get traced.
hero member
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January 27, 2014, 01:09:26 PM
#32
US government own DPR stash and now own the bitinstant/foundation hoard. i guess their working their way down the list or people with most bitcoins.

Interesting theory but did Shrem have anything to do with the Foundation's Bitcoins?
legendary
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January 27, 2014, 01:03:15 PM
#31
US government own DPR stash and now own the bitinstant/foundation hoard. i guess their working their way down the list or people with most bitcoins.
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