Topic: [CFNP] Mixin Safe - Decentralized Bitcoin Custody Solutions | Review Campaign - page 4. (Read 6819 times)

Bitcointalk Username: Onyeeze

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Royse I thank you for the privilege you gave to me participate in this project review. This is my first time to have participated in a review in bitcointalk and I took my me to make this review because the review have three segment to undergoes before it will get get completed and if you miss the steps you won't understand the next to do, what really help is the description given by op of the thread.

The following are the review procedures.

● mixin crypto wallet
● mornin key
● safe.mixin.zone

Before I proceed with this step in used bot of mixin guidelines to read and know what exactly is going to be what I need to know, and after reading the process  I began the journey, which I chatted with the bot and it showed gree.

Mixin cryptocurrency wallet: I installed mixin crypto wallet freely without stress from a Google play store, and I took my time to make sure I have not downloaded  the wrong application  of mixin crypto wallet, and after I downloaded the mixin crypto wallet I opened the app and during getting my pin through the application it could not take time to received a code through my mobile number to proceed the process, and after that I adding mixin messenger contacts, I added some contacts through using user ID, and after being done that I commence a chat.

 

   

Wallet
Wallet: its through the mixin crypto wallet where I seen different options of wallet that we can deposit, and i was tempted to choose another wallet another wallet to check if the this will work, but after sometime I choose to use Bitcoin wallet to make make my deposit, after I made a deposit it couldn't take much time it get confirmed.
And I notice that since Bitcoin transaction be faster to be confirmed either if any other coin listed in there will take same effect to get confirmed very fast as bitcoin could not delay.

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 Deposit
I did find any difficulties in depositing through my mixin safe messenger application but only thing is that I was not sure of what I was doing until I copied the bitcoin address display and pasted in my trust wallet, and I clicked continue and after done that I waited foe little seconds before the transaction is been confirmed, when I was waiting for the transaction to get confirmed t taught if I have mistakenly chosen another wallet because the first time I clicked on bitcoin I saw received and send and I was like confused on the one to click to get my wallet address and finally  I got it and it was confirmed after the transaction.





Mornim key
Mornin key: when I tried to download mornin key from the APK it shows an error whereas I used the example given by Royse through the site to download the mornin key application, then I proceeded by by downloading it through Google play, before I could download the application successfully I was given a charge to pay with my country currency, and the column that was provided for me to pay the charges demanded for my ATM card 💳 (debit/credit card) serial number which contains almost thirteen (13) digits, and after that I was ask if the card was visa or master card and I selected selected the option of my card, and provision of three (3) digits was demanded  the ccv number, after putting the number I downloaded mornin key app.
After I download mornin key I proceed  to create my account and I was demanded to write down my account mnemoni phrase, and I wrote it down in a paper and I started putting them according the numeric order, and after that I created a good pass code which enables me to login into my mornin key.






Safe.mixin.zone
This I use the illustrations given to carry out the duties of safe.mixin.zone, I will say that this one of most serious part of this review because it carries a lot of functions, when I started, it demands that I should create an safe account, so tye mixin safe was created and before I get approoved I was reminded to use the scan QR code and i used it and it capture directly to my wallet in mixin wallet that is already established and I clicked continue and it was approved or sent, so I went back to safe mixin zone and it was reported that I have one transaction, but initially their was no 1 transaction in the box, all the boxed were  empty with zero (0) and their was option given to me to click on my safe in there I saw my name Onyeeze and I saw view that is the place I saw my approved transaction. The images can attest to my proof of work.










Conclusion

Mixin safe is good for someone to keep coin, but one thing I notice in the safe is that during creation of safe through safe.mixin.zone, in the safe aspect of it their is a warning showing or displaying on the dashboard that the safe is not allowed to keep above one thousand  ($1000) dollars worth of coins. I want to know if you safe more than one thousand dollars worth of coins won't you be allowed to make sure that you have the coin back or the safe will not be opening again. For the step seen during this review I like to recommend this people. And also i want the owner of this project make sure that downloading mornin key through the site and directly to APK is be resolved because the charge taken by Google play store to download the mornin key is much and it's stressful, it happened that if you doesn't have an ATM card you will not get access to download the application.

Bitcointalk username: Chilwell
MY REVIEW

Download and installation of mornin key

I wanted to download mornin key app through the Google play store which I discovered that my phone does not support Google play store because am using HAUWEI NOVA 9 SE, then I tried APK (for Android user) which I was warn that file might be harmful and I command it to download it anyway, than my phone checked if there is any threats and no threats found. I now install the mornin key into my phone free without any fear. After the installation and then click on the app and it shows me create a new account or import an account, then I proceed by creating the account with the necessary requirements, it request for security lock which I prefer using passcode, then proceed to secure your account and I deed as it instructed.

Download and Installation of Mixin Messenger
Downloading mixin messenger in my phone was hard because there is not APK (for Android users) for the app and the only option there was App store and Google play store which was not supported by my smart phone, I have to call a friend of mine to assist me with his phone, then I downloaded it using my friend phone, then transfer the app to my phone, praying that it should work and it went smoothly when installing it in my device. I start the setup by putting my phone number and immediately I received my 4 digit code, the process was easy, fast, and simple. It move me to create pin page and request for the six digit pin which I insert my secret pin and also comfirm it three times which I was surprised because it was my first time of comfirming pin more than two times, this really show how serious you are about this wallet.

Deposit
I tap on the receiving botton to get my wallet address for Bitcoin deposition, I deposited 0.00035 BTC to the wallet which required only one comfirmation to complete my withdrawal, the comfirmation took almost few seconds to complete the transaction and when it was completed it took the asset some minutes to show in my wallet, this make me fear that I pick wrong address. Unlike other wallet immediately the comfirmation is done it will receive the coin immediately, this really shock me, please if anything can be done to make it faster it will be better.

Sign in mixin safe
Sign in mixin safe is like a magic to me because I used my phone and my laptop to login, I login through this link https://safe.mixin.zone/login by scanning the QR code using my phone through the laptop and login was smoothly and successfully without any challenge.


Upgrading mixin sate plan.
Before I create new safe I went to setting to upgrade my plan and I then click on the upgrade and it took me to the mixpay. Me


This page is for the plan where to choose the plan you want to upgrade to and I tap on $2 plan. Here are step by step I followed to upgrade for plan.




Creating a new safe
Procedure for creating a new safe:-
Tap on the safe at the left side of the your laptop or mobile phone, it will show you a page where you will find new safe at the right side of the your device then tap on it, it will show you where you will enter the name of the safe and the network and then tap on the next, this is where your mornin key comes in, scan the QR code using mornin key to create your key and approve it for safe creation, then tap on next and set your family or team member I decided to do it only me and the threshold is also one person which is me, then to the summary, but since I have upgraded it before, it proceeded to active.



Deposit to safe
When I want to deposit in my mixin safe through the mixin messenger I noticed that the amount is too small then I top up my wallet and it amount to 0.00053387 BTC worth $15.5, then I open my mixin safe to deposit, which I tap on receive and it appear to me deposit together with the address and the QR code, I open my mixin messenger to scan the QR code to process the payment, I wanted to send everything in the wallet to my safe and it was showing me insufficient balance, I then  change amount to 0.0001 BTC worth $2.9. The charge fee is too high to the extent that I want to give up, I thought it was the amount I put before is the reason for that high charge after changing the amount the charges still remain the same, I send 0.0001 BTC worth 2.9 dollars and the charge was 0.00042 BTC worth 12.2 dollars. The only that am comfortable with is the speed of the transaction because it is very simple and fast.

   

  The above image are how the transaction took place in my mixin messenger.

This is the amount received in my safe.

Withdrawal from the mixing safe
I Initiate the withdrawal from the mixing safe to my wallet by tapping into on new transaction to fill in necessary requirements include the amount and the receiver address, then I proceed to the summary to create, then to the members approval, which l did the approval because am the only one that was assigned, then to the owner approval and it bring out QR code and request for the scan with the mornin key to approve the transaction request. Immediately after the request the transaction went through within seconds and completed. Withdrawal from mixing safe is very simple, easy and fast.   


Observation
I have two observation base on my reviews.
    1.My observation is based on the mobile phone am using which does not support google play store and app store to download the mixin messenger. My question is that, are you saying that the mixin messenger is not for everybody but limited to some devices?
    2.I noticed the transfer charges from the mixin messenger to mixin safe is at flat rate no matter the amount, but it changes day by day, the first time I noticed is went I want to text run it and I see the charges it was between 6-7 dollars, the following day it was between 12-13 dollars is on this day I make the transfer, then the next day it was between 10-11 dollars, on 7th August, 2023 around 7am-8am and the charges was between 5-6 dollars.  My question is that why are we having different charges everyday?

Conclusion
I have come to the end of my review and am actually convinced with all what have seen. I will suggest that they should improve in some of the challenges I faced. Mixin safe is a great one because of it features, especially the mixin messenger which you can chat like other social media.  I will recommend mixin safe for every trader because of its security and also lose  of funds in case the person past away. For me, I see mixin safe as the best now.

Bitcointalk username: GxSTxV

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My Review

It’s my honor to test this pure decentralized safe and i feel like many people didn’t understand or notice the value of this wallet and service which offers several features. And one of the best features they offer is a safe wallet that can be similar and secure to ledger wallets.

Mornin Key:

I started my test with IOS IPAD device and thankfully you were offering a TestFlight version for free since i don’t have any card that works on App store to purchase Mornin Key application.
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Everything went good in opening an account and with very easy and simple steps. So Mornin Key is like a third part to import your wallet created in safe.mixin.zone after scanning the QR code. Beside having the option to choose between networks like bitcoin litecoin or else.


Mixing Messenger Application tested on IOS

Steps of creating an account were also easy and simple just by using a phone number in my personal experience, And like any secure App setting a PIN code is important and obligation.

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Switching between the app was smooth and easy to discover the features, and of course i had to change my profile picture Xd. And since i installed Mixin application days before writing the review i added some contacts from this topic and i was chatting and receiving messages normally.

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Inside the application you can find that the main bot which called Team Mixing with the ID number 7000 actually answering questions and i don’t know if it’s an AI, with it i got more bots for swapping tokens and coins directly from the app and it’s also a feature not found in many wallets as they only offer selling or swapping between the same networks.
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What i noticed is the slightly high fees on withdrawing, such as LTC they take 0.02 and mentioned as network fees but regularly LTC network fees are not more than 0.001 LTC. But it’s no big difference.

And here is my transaction ( deposit and withdrawal) of litecoin.

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There is a small detail when sending to a new address, the app requires you to add it as a contact and save it. I don’t find it as a good feature but adds more time to do transactions in my opinion.

Setting up Mixin Safe

First thing i couldn’t sign up on the same device using my safari browser, i took a screenshot for the QR code to scan it with Mixin Messenger, which shows Authorized but nothing happens in my browser. I had to use my other phone and scanned it again and this time went well.
But the steps of creating a safe and saving it with Mornin Key were simple and without any issue using my other device.

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Things i noticed:

Beside the error of not connecting safe.mixin.zone using safari browser.

When trying to withdraw from Mixin Wallet i suggest that you set the feature of withdrawing maximum without having to manually calculate the amount including fees.


Conclusion:

I can say that Mixin offers what many projects and companies combined in one Decentralized project, it’s a solution for many countries like us in the middle east that can’t get a ledger wallet or a safe. With reasonable prices. And not having to worry about swapping tokens and coins as you also offer that service.
But I suggest that you create a video or picture tutorial to make things more simple for new users.

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Bitcointalk username: _act_

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Mixin Safe review


Before I can setup my Mixin Safe account which is a multisig means to hold my coins, I need Mixin messenger. Before I can be able to setup Mixin Safe wallets and make transactions, I need Mornin Key. I saw both apps on PlayStore.


Mixin Messenger Setup
I downloaded Mixin messenger from Playstore. After I downloaded it, I clicked on the app and I read the privacy policy and terms of service. I agree and continue. It requested phone number to finally setup the mixin messager. The next thing that I did was to add someone to my contact. After adding contact, I clicked on settings, account, security to setup my emergency contact.

Because I need emergency contact, I used another device to setup another Mixin Messenger account. I added myself as the emergency contact on both. My Mixin Messenger is ready to scan the QR code from Mixin Safe website to create my own Mixin Safe account.


Mornin Key Setup
I need Mornin Key for creating different Mixing Safe wallets and for making transactions. I downloaded it on PlayStore. I paid $0.52 in my local currency and setup the Morning Key which is a password manager.


Mixin Safe account setup
I go to Mixin Safe website, I clicked on sign in and it brought up QR code which I used Mixin Messenger to scan. After I scanned it, authorization request showed up on my Mixin Messenger which I read and clicking on next. I finished clicking on next and the QR code page changed to my Mixin Safe account.


Mixin Safe setup, deposit and withdrawal.
After I set up Mixin Safe account, I need to create a safe that will generate me a multisig address. I clicked on new safe to do that. There are two coin options which are bitcoin and litecoin. I used bitcoin, but if I like I can also create a safe for litecoin. Before you complete the process, you have to use Morning Key to scam QR code to create the safe (and also needed for withdrawal). You will need to pay before you will finally be able to create a safe and the payment plan is in the image below:





I deposited into the multisig safe and I saw the money after 1 confirmation. I was notified on Mixin Messenger.

I withdrawn the coin and I received it in less than 3 minutes. This depends on bitcoin network confirmation. What I just mean is that I received it in the next block mined. But before I was able to finally make withdrawal, I signed the transaction as a member using Morning Key and I was notified on my Mixin Messenger account. I later signed the transaction again as the owner which is the second signing before the transaction was approved.





In summary, you will need Mixin messenger to create Mixin Safe account with the use of QR code. You will need Mornin key to create Mixin Safe wallet which will generate you a multisig address which you can know is a multisig because it has longer characters. Mornin key is also used to sign transaction as a member and owner before you can withdraw bitcoin or litecoin from your Mixin safe wallet.

No QR code for withdrawal
Not exactly a con, but it would be better to see it added. During withdrawal, I expected to see QR code which I can use the wallet I want to deposit to, to scan, but I have to copy the address and paste it on Mixin Safe. For deposit, I saw QR code which was what I used, but I was unable to see it during withdrawal.

Bitcointalk username: virasog

Review:-
Thanks for the opportunity to review the Mixin Safe.

I started by preparing the Owner Wallet. For this, i decided to use the Mornin Key. Since it was all new experience for me, i took help from this tutorial. https://support.mixin.one/en/article/how-to-use-mornin-key-to-create-mixin-safe-1u1rf36/

I installed the Mornin Key and created an account easily. It asks me to secure my account and i did it by confirming my Mnemonic phrase. The process was clear and easy to understand until this point.

The next step is to download and install the Mixin Messager. Since i have an Android phone, I downloaded it from the play store. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=one.mixin.messenger
After verifying it from my mobile number, it asks me to create a pin which should be at least 6 digits. I verified my PIN several times before it was successfully set up. I checked my wallet and it supported all the major cryptocurrencies. So finally my Mixin Messager was also ready.




Now I will test the deposit and withdrawal through the Mixin safe. I opened the link https://safe.mixin.zone/
First, I would need to create the Mixin Safe and it asks me to scan my Mixin Messeager. It quickly verfied and i was able to login.



The dashboard was clean however there a warning type note on top that . So i wondered when the full version of this will be released.

Next i go to the URL https://safe.mixin.zone/accounts/new to create a safe. I choose LTC and the other option was Bitcoin.

First i needed to upgrade my Plan. I opted for the 2$ plan as i am testing this and it fulfills my purpose.



On upgrade, it took to me to the mixpay site where I choose LTC for the payment. It took around 3 -4 minutes to confirm the payment and my plan was upgraded.



Now i moved to the safe section in order to create a safe. I had to scan my Mornin Key. Although the scanning was done instantly but it took some time in order to activate the wallet.

Although it showed here it will take only 1 minute to complete but it took a lot of time but the Active button was not Activated.
At that time i was thinking that maybe this is the default behavior but later i realized my mistake.



I waited for about 10 mins and nothing happened. Then I realized that i had to scan my Mornin key again in order to activate it. Scan the QR code and it activated instantly.

Now i deposited LTC. I checked that the minimum deposit was 0.0001 LTC. However, decided to deposit about 10-12$ worth of LTC.
The deposit arrived quickly then i expected.



Now it was time to test the withdrawal and to check if it asks for at least 2 approvals' before withdrawing. I opted to withdraw and i confirmed that it asks for the members approval which i did by scanning my Mixin Messenger and then i had to do the owner approval by Mornin key.

The process was completed successfully and i was able to withdrawal. I really liked this application and hope to use it in future too.

Bitcointalk Username: Mr.right85
Mixin ID: 41191413

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THE WHY?

It’s evolutionary in time and space to new innovations to pop up from time to time to tackle the challenges that continues to surround the crypto space. Some of these challenges is what the maxin safe has been developed to tackle in a number of ways.

It’s not uncommon to phantom the importance of private key, how it’s got no particular means to its safety and security while maintaining privacy at a very high level. This seems to have been the drive that pushed the Maxin developers to create a system of network which ensures privacy in a decentralized and communal manner where, even in the effect of your carefreeness, you can be private and still ensure security to your coins.

To foster these steps to security, I had to test some of the in place systems and these I archived by trying out the Mornin key, Mixin Messenger and Mixin Safe. The experience;



THE GRAND BREAKDOWN
The system of networks revolves around 3 innovations working interchangeably to ensure security of data and coins. Where you have the Mornin Key: for securing your private key, seed phrase and whatever important data.
Mixin Messenger: for a chatting window amongst other users and to ensure the possibility of a Multisig functional system amongst wallet features and
Mixin Safe: which functions in safe guarding of crypto assets.


MORNIN KEY
To be frank, I must say I was met with some worth challenge in trying to get the app. This is because, it works mainly a paid version although, there is a free APK version to it but then, the paid version has to do with you having to leave out your payment details as per credit card number amongst others with Google of which, it ain’t an option for me. No matter how promising Google security might seem, it’s susceptible to hacks from time to time which could lead to compromise and we know what follows, leaking of details. I think a more different approach should be used in archiving this process of paid versions to it. It’s hard for a privacy and security concerned user to leave out important details online.

With that been said, I succeeded in getting the APK version to the Maxin Mornin Key and it seems to be a very promising one. It’s an app that nails it to the head on simplicity and very directional in its operandum, easy to navigate and places a clear options before you. It came with an Electrum wallet set up feel about it to be precise and that’s some top level wallet in the crypto space.

You have options to create a new account or import an existing one and avails you the luxury of naming your account to avoid complications in the event that you own not just a single account. Now the app is accessible either by biometric means or password of which, each has there individual susceptibility but, I find the password function more effective as, it takes conscious act by someone who knows to access the safe.
The owning of a seed phrase to it tells you, your in control and that’s what users in the crypto space needs although, on the course of set up, the words to it was plainly suggested with you to fit it to numbers (I hope this isn’t the case on import; on this I would verify).


Haven’t gone through the steps, you’re good to go.

Notation on course;
Each deviation or even a screenshot to any of the process during set up brings you over to input password and that’s a good step towards security.
Another thing I noticed was, in course of the additions, I think there should be some faq file to describe what’s being added to avoid deviations and ensure more clarity.
For the record, it’s a decentralized safe that ensures control over your keys or privacy concerned data/data set and that’s what you’ll be doing adding. Saved files comes with a completely randomized generated password which could be visible after reconfirming your password and that’s really safe but its use to it should be spelt out.
The app features a light and dark mode of which, user privacy can be assured supposedly you activate the dark mode and that’s cool.
Another thing is, logs of files could be kept on the safe and it features a search function to invoke them with its title.


MIXIN MESSENGER
Okay, I must say I was surprised with what I was met with, haven’t seen some of the reviews that talked about the messenger featuring a WhatsApp setup in some ways and it really does.
In fact, it’s a WhatsApp incorporated display and the first interface on agree on T&C speaks volume which makes it cool.
It promises to never share your contact details and features a bot for directives and faq questions.

The Mixin messenger doesn’t only feature a chat platform but, also comes with a wallet through which, you can receive and send over thousands of coins. The coins set up are in order as found in some renowned exchanges and the address to them could either in one of two options.

Either your to supposedly send and then click on the coin directly to open an interface that asks you to choose between send and receive for its address generation or you choose your actions first (send/receive) afterwards you pick a coin intended to generate address. It’s just that simple and it estimates the confirmation block for transactions as well as displays the price of each coin and also your holdings.

Wallet was easily set with these steps:


I did test its efficiency with a $7 (0.00025sat) at just 2sat/byte and was amazed with its speedy confirmation period which started in less than 5minutes although, the network was about 2.8mb from top but, this was for bitcoin and I wonder just how instantaneous it would be for altcoins.
A robot to broadcast your transfers and the search feature spreads across coins, contacts and messages.

It’s got a Dapp feature just as you have on trust wallet and this is some cool feature that could let you surf the web rather easily while working on your wallet as well as doing some active chat with other connected users. It’s a new line in the space and the developers behind this are up to something with this innovations.

Just added one user and that be LoyceV with his Mixin ID available on review. Left a message though but is yet to get any back at the point of writing this.

Haven’t scaled the steps of the Mixin messenger, it was time for the Mixin Safe and that seemed to have been the hard part to the whole process. While all the rest needed little or no directives to its setting, the Mixin safe came with a different challenge.


MIXIN SAFE
Firstly, if you’re not well informed of the process to it or aware of its usefulness, you just might never know you never know there is a need for the Mixin safe set up.

The steps begins with you having to scan a bar code with your Mixin Messenger. For this to work you need to employ the services of two distinct devices and that’s unlikely what we want to experience with this innovation. Not just having two distinct apps but surfing between two different devices to work a single app is stressful.


The steps was some worth directional and followed a progression to allow you go to the next phase but haven’t followed it all round, you get your safe ready. I used my Mornin Key in setting up my safe.
From safe creation procedure, one is allowed to create more than one safe and determine just how many members needed to confirm a transaction for it authenticate. Haven’t created more than one safe, you get the chance to chose which to send or receive coin on.


DEPOSIT
Due to the possibility of having multi safe accounts, you start by selecting an account of interest and request for an address by clicking on receive and the network for which you would be receiving from. This first generates an address for you of which in my case, it was a Bech32 address for bitcoin transaction. After the needed confirmation on transactions, deposit dropped successfully.


WITHDRAWAL
This was initiated almost same way as the deposit. The difference was in the actioned icon which was SEND. Then it allows you to pick a date of interest, proceed to impute address and amount in coins, then proceed. The later seeks your approval of which comes in phases, member phase having to do with you scanning a bar code from your Mixin Messenger and owner approval phase which involves you having to scan a bar code with your Mornin Key.



PROCESSION TIME
The whole process was swift, your given a summary of the entire transaction and process before a Hash for the transaction is generated amongst other and complete afterwards. It took less than a minute or 2minutes to complete process and coin was already going through confirmations.

The whole process might have taken a bit of time and had series of procedures to it but, it’s all in line towards safety and might have appeared rigorous based on first encounters. On the whole, it was a success.


Summary
* It was an enduring process but there is some relief when archived.
* The Mixin safe setup proved to be more challenging than the Mixin messenger and Mornin Key
* Mixin messenger and Mornin key required password more often to ensure security but the case is different with Mixin safe which could be on standby for a longer period. I think that shouldn’t be the case.
* Mixin safe came with a particular ease after you’ve gone through the process of having to set it up and I must say, it felt safe.
* Deposit and withdrawal came off successfully.


Suggestion
* Having some sort of app for the Mixin safe would be a good move and offer users some more desired comfort.
* These apps are distinct but corporately functions to archive a goal and as such, it would be nice to have them incorporate in a multi-app and have some gateway to switch in between them on a single app/device. Having to function between devices is challenging and not very handy
* On Mixin messenger, I’m not sure about saving addresses as it didn’t come with a particular means of denoting them for easy referencing. Also, the minimum transfer is pegged at 0.0001sat but, its fee is at 0.00042. Just how does this work? Having a few that is higher than the minimum. That should be looked up!
* Mixin Messenger wallet came with a means to swap between values to determine just the amount and I feel with the available coin offerings, it should enable a function that swaps between coins as well.

Mixin Safe Review
Bitcointalk Username: pakhitheboss


Thanks, Royse777 for giving me the opportunity to review Mixin Safe. This is not my first review as previously I was part of another review campaign. I found Mixin Safe not to be user-friendly as you would need to use multiple apps. I started by downloading Mixin Messenger from the Google Play Store.

Mixin Messenger

What I liked about this app is that it is open source and uses End-to-end encryption for communication. What I did not like about it is that you can only log in using a phone number. While reading the privacy policy before setting up the app I found out that this app does access your [https://mixin.one/pages/privacy] phone contact list. Which for me was like an invasion of my privacy.

Setting up the app doesn't require any effort. It is simple to understand. Enter your phone number and wait for the OTP. After receiving the OTP create a username and then followed by a six-digit pin number, which you need to enter four times for you to remember as displayed on the screen. The reason is if you forget your pin you won't be able to access the app. In no time my wallet got created.
 
Mornin key

It is nothing but a password manager that is not free unless you download it from the Mixin Safe website. It is available for download on the Google play store for Android users. In my country, the price was showing INR 95 which is approximately $1.15. I did not find any rating for this app on the play store & didn't understand the reason to make it chargeable as its job is to just be a password manager. You can download it for free from the website, but I think the apk file does not work for the old Android version as I was using an old Android mobile with Android version 10. I basically bought it from the play store.

The registration process is again very simple all you need to do is to follow the instructions showing up on the screen. For backup which comes In the end, it will ask you to write down the mnemonic phrases but I found out that you can take a screenshot of that screen. I feel the screen capture facility should be disabled when it displays the phrases for the first time. If not then no need to write the following instructions asking the user to write down the phrases.



Setting up Mixin safe

Before I start I would like to know from the team the reason behind https://safe.mixin.zone/ not being mobile compatible. In today's age, I expect at least this feature from any platform running a web3 application. After being in service for 6+ years and having 1M+ customers mobile compatibility should be the prime focus of the team.

Now, let's go to the complicated part which I think will not be easy for someone new. I mean someone who is new to this industry. The major discomfort would be using a PC and mobile phone at the same time.
 
I followed the steps first step by studying the user guide mentioned on this thread. As I had already downloaded the Mornin key app my owner wallet setup was already done. The next process was to Sign in for which I need to scan a QR code using the Mixin Messenger. After scanning a window will pop up which is basically a request to authorize certain things. You can disallow everything except Read your profile. It will again ask you to enter your pin and it is done.

After you are signed in on the left side you will see the menu. I clicked on Safe and then clicked on New Safe, then add a name to Safe and select Bitcoin or Liecoin. On the next screen, you would now need your Mornin Key as you need to scan the QR code. Which I did and then followed the screens which for me were simple tasks.

Now, I have to again go back to the website and click on the next button. It asked me how many members I need for confirmation and I selected one and clicked next. On the next screen, I was asked to upgrade. As $2 was the cheapest and it served my requirement I went ahead with it.

Mixin pay

I think this is a great application and the team should work on creating a mobile application. What made me say wow when I saw there were multiple cryptocurrency payment options available. I selected USDT (TRC20), by default they had Tronlink pay as I did not have it I went for another option which was scanning the QR code. I used my Binance app to scan the QR code and it did not work as the minimum for this transaction is 10 USDT.

The next option for me was to use TRX. I went ahead and transferred the required amount of TRX using a local exchange. What I did not like is that Mixin Pay has a time counter on the payment page.



I feel it is useless as you cannot be sure about confirmation considering they have Bitcoin, Ethereum, and other cryptocurrencies as these cryptos are known for their volatility and uneven transaction fee. I have recently noticed that the Bitcoin transaction fee is more volatile than the market price of Bitcoin.

Next, I clicked on create button, and the owner approval step was done. I was now asked to use the Mornin Key app to scan the QR code, which I did and it took some time. I do not know why? Next, deposited Bitcoin did the transaction as everyone here did.

Conclusion

My experience was neither that bad nor that good. If I assume that I am new to this Bitcoin or Litecoin mixin. I would have been devastated as I need to use 2 mobile apps and then use the desktop application to get my desired outcome. The team needs to come out with a singular interface regardless of whether it is a mobile app or a desktop one.  

Bitcointalk username: OmegaStarScream

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Mornin key:

So I first started by downloading the morning key password manager.

The app costs 0.99$ however and since I couldn't use my google play balance on the app, I had to use the APK file instead which brings me to two questions:

1. Why is the app available for free from the APK when it's 0.99 on the app stores?
2. If the plan is to make this a paid product, then I think it would be wiser to make the app free to download so that the user can use his crypto (or his credit card/google balance) once inside the app.

The app is extremely simple to use and straightforward. After you open the app, you can add an account which you must set a PIN for to access your passwords later. You can also take a seed phrase backup so you can recover your account later.

Once that's done, you can add your personal accounts/passwords to the app:



But here are some bugs and things which I think need changing:

1. Forcing the user to type the PIN multiple times:  (like Messenger mixin) to make sure he doesn't forget it. Although some might find this annoying, it would be good to have since we're still dealing with sensitive data here.

2. Password complexity: Typing the following on Messenger mixin wouldn't work because the PIN is too simple: 123456, 999999,999912, 789456 etc. The same thing should apply to the Mornin key.

3. The ability to regenerate a password: Right now, the only thing you can do is to add an account with a password, but what happens if a site is compromised and my password is leaked? For a better user experience, I think there should be a button to re-generate a password for an account you already added.

4. Dark theme: It's great to have, but it looks like it's not working properly in certain parts of the app. For example, the seed phrase is not showing unless I change the theme back to light mode:

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Mixin Messenger app:

The app is cross-platform but I tested it on Android. The registration process was pretty simple. All I had to do was to write my phone number -> typed the OTP (one-time-password) -> filled in the captcha -> Setup up a PIN (had to type it four times) and was good to go.

The app consists of two main parts:

The wallet:

I topped up the wallet with multiple coins (with small amounts) just to see if everything is working fine and to also see how accurate the confirmation times are, everything went smoothly:



The transaction seems to show (unlike some other wallets/services) as soon as you send the funds even when there are no confirmations, which I like. That way the user knows that he sent the funds to the right address instead of just panicking.

The messenger

I added a contact and also sent my Mixin ID to @LoyceV (Thank you!) so he can add me. We exchanged messages, and some coins (BTC and LTC), and everything went fine.

Bugs/things that can be improved:

- High fees: I'm not sure what the exact formula for withdrawal fees is but it's a bit too high.
- The confirmation times: for certain coins (like for Polygon) should be decreased.
- If you try to log in (I managed to reproduce this) and resend the SMS more than a couple of times, the app would freeze completely. I couldn't click any buttons, type the digits, or do anything really. Minimizing the app doesn't fix this either. You have to completely close the app and reopen it again.

- When locked out of the account: I keep getting this same message:



Which I find a bit misleading. So instead of showing the above, the message should show the "time left" instead.

Adding an emergency contact:

The process itself was easy, all I had to do was tap my profile picture -> Settings icon -> Account ->  Privacy, choose one of my contacts as an emergency contact, and then get the 4-digit PIN for them to confirm.

However, for someone who never used the app before, I found it to be a bit difficult to access (assuming that you can't access it in any other way than the above). It should probably show somewhere in the profile/contact list.

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Finally, we have Mixin safe:

The web interface looks great, and just like the previous products, it's very easy to navigate. I first started by creating the safe, scanned the QR code given to me using Mornin wallet, and then added myself and LoyceV as a member to the safe.

-> ->

I then had to upgrade my plan and pay for the 2$. I had an issue doing this at first, it was probably my fault for choosing the wrong option: "MixPay+ Wallets" instead of the other wallets but that shouldn't have marked the QR code with a success message and showed this exception:



After paying for the upgrade, I went ahead to deposit some funds into my personal deposit address.

And then to test the withdrawal, I had to following a few steps:

- Went to the Safes page -> Selected my safe.
- Pasted my Bitcoin address, as well as the amount I wanted to withdraw.
- I then had to approve the transaction from the Mixin Messenger, and the Mornin key by scanning a couple of QR codes:

  -> -> ->

Conclusion: So overall and in addition to the bugs/suggestions I have mentioned above, the UIs were pretty simple to navigate and use, and also pleasant to the eye, however when using all the apps together, things can become a bit complicated. I'm not sure if that's something easy to improve though, considering the nature of the product and the need for multiple apps but I would imagine that using a Showcase library and making some walkthrough videos would help.

                    MY MIXIN SAFE REVIEW

forum username: Sakanwa

I will try as much as possible  to keep my review very brief and it wasn't really difficult  as I earlier imagined since I already took my time to read and study the earlier reviews of others and learnt from their mistakes.

Download and installationof mixin
I tried downloading  the mixin mobile app from my phone and it wasn't a free one for me as I was charges about 0.99 dollars  but I had to download  it from the website and it was successful and I was able to create a 6 digit password on it .

Mixin Messenger
I downloaded  the mixin messager  from the store and I was able to register  on it using my phone number and a verification  code was sent to me for verification and I also had to create another pin but this time I was asked to enter the pin 4 times and this also makes the security more better and one wouldn't have to forget their pin easily even without writing it down.
The mixin messager  has a social check background and wasn't much different  from the  regular social chat app bjt the difference was that you can easily carry out transactions while chatting.

Wallet
There are lot of cryptocurrencies to choose in the wallet section of the mixin messenger and I love the fact that they made a wide range of them and you can se d and receive  any of this cryptocurrencies  directly  to your wallet and I also has to test this with some of the coin sent to me ($10) and it was fast and normal.

MIXIN SAFE
trying to figure out the mixin safe and logging it in wasn't an easy task for me as it was first confusing not until after reading the past reviews of others and I was able to figure out that it only works on desktop and I quickly had to switch my browser  to the desktop mode and It figure went smoothly.
I will  recommend  that you do something about this as not everyone has a desktop and not everyone is aware of the option  of switching  to desktop mode from their mobile.
To sign  in the mixin safe, I had to scan the code and after scanning, I was successful  logged in the mixin safe and i must say that I love the step by step procedures and guide as one wouldn't be able to skip any process.

Mixin safe upgrade
There were options for upgrading and since it was for testing, I only used the $2 option and there were also lot of payment options for the upgrade and I went for bitcoin  since it was my available source of fund and the upgrade confirmation was very fast and I was upgraded before I knew it.

Creating safe
After the upgrade,  I went straight to creating a new safe and I had to scan the new QR code with my mornin key app and i was able to create a safe and link it up with my mornin key.

Deposit and Withdrawal
The deposit  and withdrawal processes were cool and they both have time lapses of about 10 mins and for deposit, an address  is generated after the 10 minutes time count which means that , the deposit  and withdrawal  are supposed to be done within the space of 10 minutes each. But I think the time for this process need to be extended to about 30mins or so.

CONCLUSION
Everything is cool by me and I hope that the bugs and errors be taken into consideration and also the email option listed by alot of reviewers be also put into consideration.

Bitcoin talk username: Compromise me
Review

Download and installation
I downloaded the Mixin mobile app, and it was a very fast process to download and install. To create my wallet, I set a 6-digit PIN code which made the registration process easy and secure. The wallet was straightforward to useand the security features provided a sense of safety.

Create pin



Create ID


For any help with deposit or transaction information, I used the support bot chat on the safe Mixin website which made things even more convenient. Using the Mixin Messenger app was extremely easy, and the support chat was very responsive saving me time and providing all the necssary information.
Support chat


Create wallet


Mornin key
I also downloaded the Mornin Key to keep my Mixin safe. It required a 0.99 fee to download the Morning Key, and after scanning the code my Mixin was secured with the Morni key .Accessibility Key app wallet often offers mobile accessibility allowing you to manage your crypto assets conveniently on the go backup and Recovery Options: Key app wallet typically provides options to create backups and recover your wallet in case of lost or stolen devices.
Owner wallet





Creating and choose








Mixin safe creating




Upgrade plan
 Upgrading the plan was simple and cost me a 2 Dollar fee connecting it to my trust wallet. The upgrade plan provided several opportunities that were beneficial for customers and the service was excellent.upgrade plan have three chose 2 doller 10 doler and 32 doller par year they give many opportunities Transmission fee opportunity add member and create safe These opportunities is very excited for customer .




Mixin's decentralization strategy is remarkable and users appreciate its privacy and security system which is highly reliable. The best part is the support chat, which made the app user-friendly and accessible for new users, offering complete help and support whenever needed.

Bitcointalk username: NeuroticFish

This review is a bit early, but I hope it's not a problem.

I've found the idea interesting, so coming to try out and review the service was a normal step.

Seeing the website has a list of tutorials/how-to steps, I thought it will be easy-peasy. It wasn't, hence I advise the owner increase the number of tutorials, add redundant information, make it really easy. Imho this service' audience is more the not really tech savvy people (the tech savvy people will complain about privacy issues of using phone numbers for this service, or will just find their own ways of safe storage). It took me longer than expected look into the applications (Android and Windows), the tutorials on mixin.one website, then the actual safe on mixin.zone website...

This being said I did read a little into this or that review, hence I don't think that just describing with images each and every step would still be helpful, there are tutorials and other reviews with that. I will tell my feelings and ideas while finding my way with this .. suite of applications, to say so.


Installing on phones is easy and the fact it forces you remember the PIN is somewhat new and interesting, although it may induce to the user the wrong idea to rely on his memory. Adding contacts is easy (although it's somewhat unclear at first that a contact need to have Mixin account, it's not just a random contact from the phone book). Finding the place I can set up an Emergency Contact was quite a hassle.

The first bitcoin deposit went just straightforward, the money have showed instantly after the 3rd confirmation. Transferring coins to friend are very easy (of course, this means it's all custodial there). I liked the fact I could make the font big in the messenger (overall I struggled with the small font of the UX in the Android app). Mixin Messenger looks like a mix between WhatsApp (including the registration) and Revolut (for the money transfer).



Paying for the service with Mixin Messenger was easy and instant, although I need to try twice, since I didn't have pUSD and didn't set the Bitcoin wallet to be used for the payment. If the ecosystem will grow, this may become very interesting, although the concerns on the fact all the money is in Mixin custody should not be forgotten.



I've looked into withdrawals too. I don't see why and address needs to be specifically saved for the job. And the fees the bitcoin network are excessive. If now, when a transfer costs less than 1$ you charge 12$, what will happen when the network fee rises 20 times?! However, I think that this is a bug.



Creating the Mixin Safe with Bitcoin Core was a headache. Sorry to say, but I think that it's better to avoid that. It started nicely, it went good until the safe was created and I had to activate it. The importdescriptors command was not accepted from command line (under Windows) no matter what (see image). A struck of luck and the idea came to try from Bitcoin Core wallet's console.



I had other bad surprises in the process afterwards (at signing message from command prompt it didn't recognize the wallet, but I managed from Bitcoin Core wallet.
So I have now a SAFE. The address is in my wallet, but I will need Mixin service to actually spend.



Interestingly the deposit was shown earlier than 3 confirmations. But yeah, it's my wallet after all.

Withdrawing from safe starts easily, with user(s) required to scan a QR code. In Bitcoin Core it's again a bit cumbersome, but at this step, manageable.

   

I've went through the pages and the billing shows both the failed transaction (no pUSD) and the normal. But it also made me wonder: what happens after my billing period ends, especially as the withdrawal needs to be approved via Mixin services? I've found the answer in the FAQ of https://safe.mixin.zone/ and it's reassuring: the account is only frozen if the plan is not renewed, and can be renewed when one wants to withdraw. On the other hand, unless I'm missing something, this seems to make it worthy for one to pay for subscription only in the first and last year.

Since I deposited more than 2$ at start (I thought I'll make the deposit too from that money), the last step was to find ways to withdraw the difference. The fee for Bitcoin is huge, so I looked for alternatives. The Beta Testing chat group was really helpful in this one, with pretty fast answers and very good ones too. I've installed ExinOne dapp, converted the bitcoins into BNB (don't shoot me!) and withdrawn them. The fee was 0.005 BNB, still a huge one for BSC transactions, still more bearable.


Conclusions
It's a nice service (and I mean it), much nicer than you may think from my review. But it still needs polishing, and needs it quite badly, I fear.

I went to the tough route (Bitcoin Core) because not many have review it and I'd say now that not many have tested it though, but imho Bitcoin Core is not the software for the audience of this service.

The information is scattered, the apps/pages to use are scattered and the Windows desktop application is just a waste of time.

On the other hand, having a service helping not too technical people set up a multisign wallet for safe keeping their money is great. And the community / messenger / wallet, although that part is custodial, is not bad at all (just it needs improved readability).

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I've made a list of advises and bugs I've found, especially for the owner, but maybe also for the people struggling or surprised.

• The service will need to be advertised more and made clearer it's a SAFE, not a MIXER.
• There may need to be done tutorials for the entire walkthrough, especially as there are the applications, then the websites, and you need them all for the full package.
• The fact there are two different tutorials / FAQ pages doesn't help (https://safe.mixin.zone/start, https://support.mixin.one/). Plus, while one tells that only OneKey is supported, the other one offers tutorial for Ledger....
• [Schedule a demo]. I didn't try that out and a demo is a great idea, but it should not be scheduled, it should be a YouTube movie, there for everybody to watch
• Imho the windows app is pretty much useless, it needs either more features (become pretty much identical to what's offered in the Android app), either just save the development time.. (on the other hand then the safe web page should also contain the messenger and wallet).
• Since Ledger is on the list, I think that, with some luck, adding support (and tutorial) for the older Nano S may not be a great effort. It will take time until the old Nano S will be phased out and there's quite a potential user base there.
• Bug: the welcome message and the guidelines message came twice (reproduced on both phones I've installed Mixin app for Android)
• Bug: this page has a broken image (attempt) on it: https://support.mixin.one/en/article/how-to-switch-on-the-dark-or-light-mode-14tjvfd/
• Android: there are two places one can scan QR codes, one for linking with the website and all other generics and one only for linking with the Windows app. I think that it worth considering making the same scanner in both places understand both QR codes.
• Something seems wrong with the withdrawal fees. I don't know if it's intentional, it may be a bug.
• Since the safe functionality is on the website (for now?), the app should have a link to that. Plus, implementing it also in the app I'd expect to be a next step (but please also make the app easier to read/optional bigger fonts if possible)
• I'm not sure why there are two different domains, but it could be less confusing to merge them.
• I think that https://safe.mixin.zone/start should emphasize the importance of an Emergency Contact and where to set it up.
• In some cases (transfer to friend, add address) tend to work only if memo is set or at least clicked in. I see this as a bug, but I don't know how often it occurs.
• If you keep the Bitcoin Core walkthrough, please re-check it on other OS-es and setups. Also it may be better to just make a tutorial for doing this from within wallet(s).
• Imho the app should have an "dApps/extensions to install" link to https://mixin.network/dapps to make people's life easier.

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Downloaded the application from APP store. To find the app I had to type the full name otherwise with just Mixin other result were appearing.
One installed, registration process was super smooth, just a phone number was required (to be verified with SMS) Less headache than other app in the market where you are account looks active then you are asked to provide proof of address and ID.
Once on the app I was surprised with the clean UI, Wallet, QR Scan, and what appeared to be menu button but turned out to be just a shortcut to Wallet and QR again.

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Profile:
The magic happens, once you click on the profile picture This the real menu button: There I had access to check the different functionality such as the Adding contact, Chat, and settings.
Worth to mention Great to have the option to add contact using MixinID as this privacy level higher then only via phone number.

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Cons:
No cons really other than maybe the to add small camera logo and allow directly the profile picture change without going through the menu.

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Chat:

 Allows direct transfer, texting, calls, sharing file and more. Great to see crypto and IM combined that can replace 2 app easy.

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Cons:
No reaction possible.

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Wallet:

  
Receiving and sending money seems to be an easy operation to perform even for beginner. Different Cyrpto are supported included the most common one so no complains here.
All transactions provide different filters to easily find any operation, handy for user with big number of transactions.

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Cons:
No notification for my first transaction.

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Not really much to share here, Login operation super easy, just scan the QR with Mixin Messenger, Upgrading the plan was quickly performed (for the fastest way pay with Mixin Messenger)

Creating safe using Mornin Key, I would say They should be a better option than having a paid 3 Party app, but as process it was super-fast as well.

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Very easy navigation and search feature article are quite clear only down side support is not available tried 3 times and each of them I was asked to leave email address to get contacted…

We do have the Linux desktop version and listed in the website, also open source https://github.com/MixinNetwork/flutter-app/releases

The numbers are definitely real. The real numbers could be even higher considering the past Bitcoin price. Two years ago, the number AUM was $3B. You may also check all the numbers from a third party explorer of Mixin transactions. https://viewblock.io/mixin/assets

Mixin is an old product since 2017, the numbers are about all the products we provided. Only Mixin Safe is new, so we are showing this warning.

Bitcointalk Username: Rruchi Man

It is exciting to be among the first set of people to give sincere review on the  Mixin Safe - Decentralized Bitcoin Custody Solutions.

OWNER WALLET
I made use of Mornin Key as my owner wallet I did not download the official app from my play store because I found an alternative .apk file that was cost free. I was willing to use this option because it is was not done on my major device, so I could accommodate the risk.

-Mornin key has good security to with passcode or biometrics to safely store your owner wallet and prevent easy access from outsiders.

MEMBER WALLET
- I checked on my app store and found the Mixin crypto wallet messenger app for download easily and it had a 4.5-star rating already, so it was easy convincing to download and my expectations high on what to expect on the app.
- After completing the sign-up process,


-I was very impressed with how the app is built, the app design is very sleek and attractive for use, it is also exciting to have a wallet on a messenger, I had only seen web browsers that have wallets in them like Brave, but not a messenger. It is new and sets this messenger asides from the rest with the unique feature. It has a good potential to attract crypto friendly people who are social media engrossed.

-In the wallet on the messenger, a lot of confirmation (four) for password setup is required, so it means that before someone will pick a password, they are really sure of it and less likely to forget it. This is also good.

- There are many options of coins to choose from in the wallet side, it will also be good for people interested in the app and will like to have other coins to send asides bitcoins.

- I added a contact to see how chatting goes on the messenger and asked my contact to try out the transfer option on it with USDT, it was prompt.


In conclusion,  Mixin crypto wallet messenger is standard and nothing short of a good job in design because it works really well and attractive for first time users to want to come back.


CREATING MIXIN SAFE
I accessed mixin safe via the messenger. Barcode from the messenger was scanned with the Mornin Key to create an account and the scanning process was sharp and sensitive as expected, the process went smoothly. I created a safe with just one member.
 

 I made payment via USDT to upgrade my plan. Since it is for review purpose, the $2 upgrade plan was okay. My Payment went swiftly and a notification was sent on the messenger app thanking me for subscription to the standard plan.


MAKING DEPOSIT TO SAFE
The first deposit to the safe made for review purpose was 0.00034482btc, and it went smoothly of which a prompt notification was sent again on the messenger to confirm. (It came in a few minutes)


MAKING A WITHDRAWAL
After a new transaction has been created for withdrawal,
there is the requirement for the messenger as the member wallet to scan the barcode created on the safe for approval


after that the Mornin key as the owner wallet is required to scan the barcode for approval too before the transaction can be completed.


SUGGESTION
- Buy option for bitcoins on the messenger will be good to improve the rating of the app.

- The number only option for sign up is typical of some messenger apps like WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal etc. so that people can easily find others on t heir contact list who use the same application, But the Mixin Messenger application is not just a messenger, but also a wallet, so it has to not be like the other typical messenger applications. It will good to have an email option too for sign up, It will not affect the possibility to see other users on your contact list who signed up for the app using their emails as well.

Thank you so much sir @Royse777 for this opportunity  and thaks for always giving me the opportunity  to review  and give some meaningful remarks about services.

Mornin key
I tried downloading  the mornin key app from my Google play store but I later noticed that it requires an installation fee of about #495 Nigerian naira and since after reading the past reviews  of others who were also Nigerians, I observed that they didn't pay any fee but rather installed it from the website which was absolutely free and I had to do the same and I was able to install  it free.

The whole download  and installation process was really smooth and very easy and I like that.

Mixing Messenger
I also downloaded the mixing message from the Google playstore and this time it was free and the registration  required me to complete registration  with just phone number option and i believe  im not the only one kicking against this option and it will be wise if you add other options like the email option and that will be more better and more private rather than using same phone number you use for all your deals for registration and I also had to create a pin and repeat that for over four times and its my first time repeating my password and it was funny the way the comments made me it for over four times and you also have the option to add friends and you can chat with friends and have the option for transactions with zero fee and you can add friends either through their phone number or mixin ID.


Mixin messenger security
The security protocol was cool and I also had the option to add an emergency contact and this can only be possible if the other contact approves of it


Mixin pay
Well I don't know why many people didn't make emphasis on this every area but I did  or maybe they didn't do it to my clarity but the mixin pay makes it possible to deposit  and withdraw  withing the mixin messager and you can also send cryptocurrency to your mixin messenger contacts and the best part is that it is free and I thinkni will always recommend this very one and since it isn't rampart yet, I will confidently use this very mixin pay for transactions if the need be.
And I also had to deposit about two btc for testing and it was smooth and it was successful  and I reflected almost immediately.
And I also had to try sending it to my contact and it was very fast and smooth



Mixin safe
Signing in the mixin safe was an easy one as it requires a desktop and simply just scanning the QR code which code me signed in and it required me to select a wallet which I did and selected the mornin key

There were also options to upgrade  and I had to choose the $2 plan and there were several options  to make payment  and I had to choose the paying with bitcoin  but I also noticed that i was redirected to another website and I really don't like been redirected because it makes me feel the website isn't professional enough but I guess they all should get this very one fixed and upgrade  was cool and I had to deposit  and also withdraw  from my mixin safe and it was a cool experience.

Customer service
I love their customer service response and though it claimed to be active 24/7 which wasn't  absolutely correct but there was an option to submit a ticket of your complains with an email and your ticket will be resolved and an email will be sent to you and the email stated that since we're in different  time zones, it would  be the reason for not having a direct response.

Conclusions
The whole process wasn't  an easy  one and it will be better they add an email  option to the registration  and also make the customer service a 24/7 irrespective  of the time zone and country involved.
I enjoyed using the mixin safe but I think it is too complicated and requires a lot of downloads and redirection wish isn't right for me  but I'll the mixin messager designs on the desktop version.


N/B anyone who is willing and free should please help  give me a guide on how to edit and reduce my picture size as it seems really big to me

Bitcointalk Username: Doan9269
Mixin ID: 41187561




Downloading Mixing Messenger App

I was able to successfully downloaded the mixin messenger app from the playstore, once the search was made on the right keyword, you will receive the application seing the logo on it and download, it takes no much time to download and same also is the installation of the app, upon successful installation then you begin with the registration in full

How to Register after Downloading Mixin Messenger

Below are the procedures i follow for a successful registration of my mixin messenger:


1. Verification of phone number: this is the first step you will need to do by inserting your contact number to be used for the registration and it must be an active one because there will be a registration code sent to the line for confirmation which the process does not take much time to do.

2. Creating a username: choose a desiring user mane to bear and insert it as part of the procedures needed to register your mixin messenger app.

3. Creating your mixin messenger pin: this is one of the most interesting aspects because here you will be asked to provided your mixin pin four (4) consecutive times before approved just to ensure you're deliberate about the pin you're giving and to ensure its not what you could easily forget which is a good take by me because I'd like it that way, not everyone can easily remember what they use as pin in some cases except they have used it repeatedly.

4. Add a contact and ensure that your contact also pass through thesame procedure in creating their account for registration and must add you as his own contact as well, same goes to emergency contact, both of you must added each other, but ensure its someone you're reliable with before adding them as your contact or emmergency contact.  


Downloading of Mornin Key App

The most important aspect of this to begin with is to download the mornin key app on the playstore and pay a little and affordable amount of money for the permission/access to allow for the app download, the whole process was made simple without stress and they provide you with different options for payment methods as you like, this is shown by the images provided below for your view.

Procedures for Installing Mornin Key App





MIXIN SAFE

Here's were you will have to use your mixin messenger app to scan the barcode on the homepage to enable you log into your mixin safe dashboard proper, this does not take time as well to scan and you get updates from the mixin messenger that you've successful log into your mixin safe dashboard, here are the procedures as followed by me.

Scanning the Barcode to log in

Upgrading your Package Plan

To make an upgrade on the plan you wanted to subscribe to, they appear in packages you will need to make a little deposit fee of $2 for the least package subscription you wanted to have.




Creating a New Safe

there's a owner creation of new safe in which you will have to create and scan the new safe QR code with your mornin key app to link them up together.




Receiving a Deposit

The process of making a deposit comes a little bit tactical b cause you will be generated a new address which must be made deposited the desired amount you intended within 10minutes, i have to redo do the process more than twice to be able to maximize the time given before elapsed for the transaction to get confirmed, so in this, you have to make use of the highest transaction fee priority to make it faster and in less than 3 minutes you send it you get confirmed




Withdrawing Your Deposit

You will have to follow the same procedure to withdraw your money, use mornin key to confirm your transactions by scanning the QR code it will need you to sign into, just as when making deposit, withdrawal procedures are very fast as well, it take no more than few minutes to achieve.




Conclusion and Recommendation

1. The whole process in mixin safe is perfectly safe and secured and one could actually make a recommendation for that.

2. The purchase of the mornin key app may seems discouraging by some users on discovering it's not free

3. I've heard about people complaining of the transaction fee to be very high, to me when making deposit, the time limit is so close that 10 minutes may not really be enough except you make use of the high priority fee to get confirmed on time and meet up which some may not like paying higher fee

4. The withdrawal procedures are fare enough and cost less, this is a good start for people to have the assurance that they can easily make withdrawals without issues.

5. I recommend using not more than one app for mixin safe and the mixin messenger app could perform the other functions the mornin key performs because some may not like the complexity of the procedures required.

6. The little challenge here is the platform being a decentralized one but yet request for your phone contact and email address, maybe you can work on that just as the forum operates, you can use an email address but not verified just as the mobile number user will not be verified.

7. I see the use of mixin safe more applicable in an organizational settings where two or more people are needed to sign a transaction just as in the case of using a multisig wallet, corperate or joint business account could be best use of this and also individuals or family can best utilize mixin safe to the best for their privacy and safety.

8. Mixin safe allows deposit and withdrawals without any issues or form of delay.

9. Lastly, i must applaud their customer service for prompt and accurate response, they are best at what they offer.

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Review
I wanted to start clean, so I didn't read other reviews before I did mine. I'll check (and Merit) them when I'm done.

Initial thoughs
HODL! Not your keys, not your coins! Self-custody! Be your own bank! We, Bitcoin users, all know this.
This isn't a service attractive for Bitcoin hodlers, this is a service that should target the users who keep "their" Bitcoins on an exchange. Imagine that: you deposit dollars, and instantly get self-custody over your Bitcoins.

Now, let's see how much of my initial thoughts are correct.

Test setup
I started with a fresh Linux installation on my spare laptop, using VPN. I copied a pruned blockchain from my server, installed the latest Bitcoin Core version (25.0), and enabled PSBT controls.
I installed a VPN on an old Android tablet, and installed Mixin Crypto Wallet Messenger.

Mixin Privacy Policy and Mixin Terms Of Service
There's one very big problem with both PP and ToS: I have to share all phone numbers in my phone regularly. I also have to confirm I'm authorized to do so. I don't want to do this, and I'm not allowed to do so either. That would (based on privacy laws but also based on the conditions stated by Mixin) mean I have to ask explicit consent from everyone who's number I store in my phone. Can you imagine I have to call hundreds of people, explain to them I want to use an app, and ask all of them for their consent? And if even one of them refuses (and that's what I would do if someone asked me), I can either remove their number from my phone, or I'm not allowed to use the Mixin app. I know apps like Telegram and Whatsapp all do this, but this is a huge no-go for me.
To fix this: sharing phone numbers should be done manually, and only the numbers of the users I want to interact with through your app.
The rest of the Terms look acceptable to me.

SMS verification and first impression of the Mixin app
I used tempsmss.com for SMS verification (+447893932805, Mixin ID: 41189703), and after a double captcha inside the Mixin app, it worked on first try.
Now I have a messenger. The only other combination of "wallet" and messenger I've seen is Byteball (now called Obyte), an altcoin based on a DAG instead of a blockchain. It worked well there.
My first impression on Mixin Messenger is: now what? I get 4 automated messages from "Team Mixin" (the same 2 messages twice), and click "How to use Bots on Mixin Messenger?". It shows a video, which to me is a waste of time. I now need to be in a quiet environment and waste time listing to music for something I could have read in 5 seconds. The voice in the video has a terrible accent, I can barely understand what she's saying. Part of it doesn't even sound like it's English.
Clicking "back" is what I needed to see the normal view, and "Create wallet" looks like what I was looking for.

Security
When creating a PIN, I'm told that the Throttled Identity Protocol makes a 6 digit PIN a strong secret key. I have a hard time believing that, as there are only 1 million possibilities no matter how you encrypt it. Even worse, it's less than a million, because the first PIN I tried was rejected.
This feels very, very weird! I now have a wallet, without seed phrase, and I have no idea how to recover this outside your app. As an experienced Bitcoin user, this is confusing. None of it is what I expected from a wallet.

Deposit
For testing, I deposited a low-fee expendable altcoin (0.001 LTC). It showed up after 2 confirmations, but the balance needed 12 confirmations to update (this is more than usual for Litecoin).

Withdrawal and fees
I tried to withdraw again, which is where it got ridiculous: Network fee: 0.02 LTC, Minimum withdrawal: 0.0001 LTC. The fee is 10 times higher than what exchange Kraken.com charges. I guess my Litecoin is a donation to Mixin now.
Note that the transaction fee for a normal Litecoin transaction is 0.00000226 LTC, about 8800 times less than what Mixin charges. That's not a "network fee", it's outrageous! It also shows Mixin is not a wallet: a wallet (by my definition) gives me full access to my funds, and only makes me pay the actual transaction fee. At least call it a "service fee", now it's misleading. And it's a stark contrast with this:

What good does it do me if I can send transactions to other Mixin users for free, if I have to pay 8800 times more for on-chain transactions? Even if I'd send many, many transactions through Mixin, it would still be much cheaper to make all my transactions on-chain from my own wallet.

This made me curious how much the Bitcoin withdrawal fee is. It's 0.00037 BTC, almost 50 times what I paid for my last Bitcoin transaction, and 7.4 times what Kraken.com charges.

To send a transaction from Mixin, I have to first add the address, then enter the PIN, then make the transaction, and enter the PIN again. That's one more PIN than I want to use for making a transaction.

So my first impression is ... confusing. I see high fees and a complicated app, while I have no idea how I could recover my funds without Mixin. If I compare this to for instance Coinomi, Coinomi does exactly what I would expect.

After installing and verifying the app, I was hoping to continue on my desktop. Unfortunately, there's only a Microsoft or Apple version, and nothing for Linux users.

safe.mixin.zone

Are those numbers real? The average customer transferred $1M, and the total amount of assets managed are transferred almost daily? When I see claims like this, it instantly raises doubts. Especially when I see this after creating a Mixin safe:


safe.mixin.zone/decentralized-recovery
This page is filled with buzz words, but it doesn't tell me how to recover my funds. That's weird, especially since any other wallet would just give me a seed phrase, and I can get started. The page is filled with stories about people who lost their Bitcoins, but I've also seen many people lose access or have a really hard time recovering their funds after they used a non-standard wallet implementation, some of them with multisig shared by a third party.

It sounds great, but I'm missing the "how". And that's concerning.

Mixin Safe
Creating a Mixin safe on https://safe.mixin.zone/login worked well, after scanning the QR-code. So at least I can continue on my desktop.
This part turned out to be tricky: I first wondered why the Howto defaulted to Bitcoin Core CLI, and not just the console in the GUI. I copied the commands into Bitcoin Core's console, and create a Mixin Safe. I paid $2 in Litecoin (for speed and low fees), which was accepted after 3 confirmations. After this, I got an invite to a Group Chat with Testers, but the users there only post smileys. I already had my own contacts through Bitcointalk, and sent some funds back and forth with OmegaStarScream. At least that works without fees.
At Step 6.2, I realized I should indeed have used bitcoin-cli: "-named" doesn't work in the console, so I started over.
I got it to work, but it wasn't a nice process. Copying text from a browser to a console and back to the browser, and searching the exact right parts on a small laptop screen is not user friendly. I don't think the average Bitcoin buyer (who now keeps his Bitcoin on an exchange) is going to do this.
The result:


Emergency contact
I made OmegaStarScream my emergency contact. This required me to enter a 4-digit pin, which was sent to him. That means I had to leave the "emergency contact tab" to go back to chat to ask for it. When I went back, it sent a new code and the old one expired. This interface should be improved: at least give the possibility to use the last code, instead of instantly sending a new one when I go back to the "emergency contact tab". I had to try a third time, and wait for the code to pop up on top of my screen. Thanks OmegaStarScream!
After this, he made me a safe member. I haven't made more use of this.

Withdrawing from Mixin Safe
After the deposit to my Mixum Safe was confirmed, I made a transaction from my Mixin Safe. I got a notification in the Mixin app: "a transaction need to be approved as a member" and "Please sign in to Mixin Safe dashboard to view the details". The latter is where I created the transaction, the former I knew already.
It's not entirely how I expected it to be: the Approve button is on my dashboard, and gives a QR-code to scan with the app. It would have saved time if it showed the QR-code instantly when I made the transaction. After Approving it, I got another message on the app saying the exact same thing. Going back to the dashboard, I now have to sign from Bitcoin Core. After following the instructions, I get:
This was caused by a bug in the instructions:

The error disappeared when I removed the "=" at the top arrow. The "=" at the bottom is correct.
After this, the withdrawal completed.

Withdrawing from Mixin Safe (2)
I was especially curious to see how much I can withdraw from my Safe: I'm supposed to get one free withdrawal, but if it's non-custodial withdrawing from my own address, I'm curious to see who pays the transaction fees.
This is my withdrawal transaction:

It started from my deposit address, but Mixum added another input. That one pays for the transaction fee, and adds an OP_RETURN output.

Improve interaction with Bitcoin Core
In the instructions, there's often a field with data to Copy to Bitcoin Core:

Then there's a link to the Guideline, where I find the commands to use on Bitcoin Core. It would be much more convenient as a user if you can combine those 2: add the Bitcoin Core commands to the first copy field, so I can copy everything at once.

Custodial?
The Mixin deposit addresses aren't multisig, so for sure deposits to the Mixin wallet are custodial. I was hoping the wallet would actually have a non-custodial method to recover funds, but I didn't find it. I guess only the Mixin Safe is non-custodial.
Now all I have is a PIN, a username ("Loyce"), a Mixin ID, a phone number, a Dashboard on my laptop and a wallet in Bitcoin Core. I consider data in the app and access to a phone number as something that can be lost at any moment, so that leaves a Mixin ID, username, 6 digit PIN and my Bitcoin Core wallet. I doubt that's enough to recover my funds, and the app doesn't offer to save a backup.

Other thoughts

• I don't understand the inner workings of the multisig Safe, but I do understand my Bitcoin Core holds 1 out of 3 keys. From what I understand, 1 of the keys is held by the Mixum app, but since the app doesn't have private keys and is custodial: does that mean Mixum could get their hands on 2 out of 3 keys (even if that means waiting a year for the timelock to expire)? In other words: if a HODLer doesn't touch his wallet for a year, he is no longer the only owner. Is that correct?
• The withdrawal from my Mixin Safe included another input that wasn't mine. How does that work? I assume this withdrawal was still custodial.
  
• Generally, I don't like services that require a phone number, or an app. The reason for this is that I don't consider any device I carry with me on a daily basis as being secure, and when it comes to money, I don't use my phone for anything other than small daily expenses.
• The QR-scanning to open a Mixin safe worked well. So it is quite convenient, but linking Bitcoin Core undid all convenience. I really dislike the fact that I have no idea what it's doing "under the hood". I'm not in Bitcoin to trust companies.
• The URLs used by Mixin are inconsistent: I've seen mixing.one, mixin.network and mixin.zone. I'd say: pick one, and stick to it. Now you're making it easy for phishing sites, as I already lost track of all the domain extensions.
• Compared to Obyte, I miss functionality to send funds and payment requests directly from the chat to the person I'm talking to, instead of having to go back to the wallet and then select the Contact to make a payment.
• In general, before funding any wallet, I create a backup and try to recover that backup from scratch. I couldn't do this with Mixin Safe, and I would never send any substantial funds without being able to recover funds on my own.
• All in all setting up a Mixin Safe is much more work than setting up a hardware wallet, and it feels like I'm much less in control, while I pay higher transaction fees.

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From all the reviews I've done, this one was by far the furthest out of my comfort zone. I had no idea what I was doing when I started. I can only imagine this is worse for Bitcoin newbies.

Bitcointalk username: CryptoHeadLineNews

My Review of Mixin Safe


BRIEF INTRODUCTION:

In this review of mine, I was able to create the "Mixin Safe" while using the "Mornin Key" Bitcoin wallet on an Android smartphone device and downloaded all apps from Google PlayStore both the paid and free one, done specifically in Nigeria to be a guide for whoever living in this part of the world and will love to create a Bitcoin non-custodial wallet that have a recovery feature and same-time, grant him control over his private keys to use this for successful creation of a "Mixin Safe", as I will be taking you through the step by step processes from installation of app, depositing of fund and lastly the creation of Bitcoin Mixin safe.



INSTALLATION:


1.) Mornin Key:

To install "Mornin key" on my smartphone, what I did was that I heard over to Google playstore and I noticed this app was a paid app which cost #495 in my local Nigerian currency (i.e approx. $0.6), and I head over making payment while using my bank card "Verve" which was successful & I later  notice that both "Visa" & "Mastercard" can also be used for making that same payment, as you can see below;



2.) Mixin Messenger:

To install "Mixin Messenger" on my smartphone, what I did was that I heard over to playstore and noticed this was a free app which has a memory size of 45mb, launched on May 24th 2018, and has got over 50k downloads.




CREATION OF ACCOUNT:


1.) Creation of Mornin Key Account:

After a successful paying & downloading of the Mornin key app, to create an account, what I did was to open the app and got to notice it has two options (i.e To import an account & create a new account), which I heard over to create a new account, type in the name I will love to use and wrote down my 12 Mnemonic phrase, create a pin and everything went smoothly.


Observation:


2.) Creation of Mixin Messenger Account:

After a successful download of my Mornin key app, I heard over to open it and notice it requires a phone number to create an account, which I went ahead using my Nigerian phone number (+234...) and I was sent an O.T.P which arrived 30seconds later (very fast). So I went ahead choosing my desired name, create my pin and everything went successfully.





DEPOSITION OF BTC ON MIXIN MESSENGER:

After my successful installation and creation of the Mixin Messenger, I head over to the wallet section of the messenger to deposit some BTC, and I must confess, I was at first confuse for 30seconds, as I expected to see minimum amount of BTC that could be deposited, but yet nothing was shown, which is a very good feature to be made public, so as to help people falling victim of sending BTC lesser than the require minimum deposit.



However, after checking how much Btc other people deposited on this thread, I made a conclusion to deposit 0.00025 BTC worth $7.31 at around 12:49p.m and the fund arrived in my Mixin Messenger at exactly 20minutes later.




CREATION OF MIXIN SAFE:

To start my Mixin Safe proper, what I did was that I ensured my owner's wallet was prepared, and two other  member wallets ready namely (i.e Benita & John). I added those two member wallets to my contact list, went ahead to set mixin messages pin, and then tried signing up through the QR code on the Mixin Safe dashboard homepage through a different device, and I was asked to put in my 6 digits messages pin, which I did and finally got a notification saying "You have signed in to Mixin Safe successfully", and that was all as you can see below.


After everything was done successfully, I noticed that I was grant access to the Mixin Safe dashboard as shown below automatically.


So, after been given access to the dashboard, I went ahead to add a "New Safe", named the Safe as "CryptoHeadlinenews", selected the network as "Bitcoin" and proceeded confirm the Owner wallet by selecting "Mornin key" as my private key wallet and scanning the QR code with the owners Mornin key, as shown below



So after that, I went ahead to set up members and threshold with the 2 contacts I added as shown below (i.e Benita & John)



So after my successful adding of contacts, I selected the $2 upgrade plan, chose the BTC payment option, and noticed I was asked to pay 0.00006674 BTC to a certain address, which I did while using my "Mixin Messenger wallet" for the upgrade activation, and just immediately the payment got confirmed, I noticed that the Mixin Safe got activated without any stress or challenge, as you can see all shown below.



After my successful purchase of the $2 upgrade plan, I head over to activate the Mixin Safe finally by scanning the QR code via Mornin Key and then got the final result as shown below, as everything went successfully well to activate the Mixin Safe.




CHALLENGES:

The only challenge I encounter was that my laptop got bad, and the only option I had was to use my smartphone, which for me to be able to carry out this "Mixin Safe" successfully just as I did, it required me getting 4 android smartphones, that is, 1 for the creation of owners wallet, 2 for the creation of Mixin Messenger contact lists and last 1 for the display of the QR code that will be used for signing into the "Mixin Safe" dashboard. But apart from that, everything went smoothly, as I was able to follow up the step-by-step guidelines as given at the first page of this thread




CONCLUSION:

In conclusion, I will love to say that whoever wishes to have a non-custodian wallet which has a recovery feature, then "Mixin Safe" is the solution to that.