Topic: [CFNP] Mixin Safe - Decentralized Bitcoin Custody Solutions | Review Campaign - page 2. (Read 6816 times)

Bitcointalk username: Porfirii

REVIEW

I have been testing the apps for a few hours while my transaction was confirmed, and I think that it is time to write my review. Sorry for the delay writing it, but the deposit was taking ages, because of my fault.

Mornin Key:

This is the first time I hear about this service, so I decided to create an account for 0.99€ to satisfy my curiosity. In fact, I think it is a good thing to charge a little amount because, otherwise, what other ways do they monetise a free app? I prefer the paid choice. The key manager is very simple and, therefore, very easy to use, yet well built. If I have to be completely honest, I think that I will uninstall it soon, because I'm very traditional in the way I manage my keys.

It was fun but a bit unnecessary when it asked me a fourth time for my PIN. Hard to forget now... It also surprised me that the App lets you secure the account "later": in many other cases you are forced to secure the mnemonic before letting you continue with the process.



Asking for the telephone number as the only way to register is a bit annoying and disturbing, as well as asking for several authorisations that don't make you feel comfortable.




Mixin Messenger:

Very simple App at first sight: just the wallet and chatrooms. It is convenient to have the option to pay your friends directly via messenger, and I'm sure that other big companies will add payment features too, when they make the decision whether it is better to do it with fiat or their own token. In the meantime, tools like the reviewed can be useful for new crypto users who join this journey together and want to make the experience more social. Of course, not the most safe and privacy oriented method, but still useful for a segment of users.

The design and UI are beautiful, but other members complained about the night mode I didn't use.

I also made a few friends there, like the well known worldofcoins and the mysterious "Devid".




Mixin Safe:

For the review, I chose the 2$ option, but it is good to see that if you want to upgrade your plan in the future, there appears clearly that the 2$ you paid will be discounted.



The activation of a Safe was almost instant, and although I had some problems with my BTC deposit (the fees proposed by my wallet were too low and I didn't double check the mempool before accepting, so I'm really sorry for the late review) the withdrawal process was fluid, as expected.



This is the first time I know about this concept, and I like the easy way it offers to use signature and multisig for a cheap price to less technically experienced users. Having to sign with PIN and scanning QRs was interesting.

A few considerations: it is hard to find how to make deposits: when you click on + Receive Deposit (in the middle of the screen) it routes you to withdrawals, if I'm not wrong. You have to go to Safes > Receive, instead if you want to make a deposit.



On the other hand, it is not very intuitive the way to delete a transaction: you have to of through a few steps until you're able to do it: it might be better to have a delete button in the list of transactions.

Although the process was not difficult, it worries me that all these steps can discourage less patient users who might prefer to have all the features in one App. On the other hand, the apps were quite intuitive to use and the interface beautifully designed, imo. Concerns about security should be taken into account before using these apps, like other members said before me.

Bitcointalk username: BlackHatCoiner

Okay, I'm going to be brutally honest with this, as I requested to write a review without being completely aware of what was this all about. I don't find one reason to use this service, unless you don't know shit from Shinola about bitcoin, which in that case you shouldn't be owning bitcoin in the first place.

1. General image

First of all, the first impression isn't newbie friendly. It's horrible. Lots of confusing things to take into account, and it's really frustrating for a guy like me who doesn't want to lose a single satoshi from some mistake. So, to sum up, just to use this service, you need:

• Mixin Messenger on some relative's mobile phone.
• Either Bitcoin Core or Mornin (I haven't tried the rest).
• Setup the Mixin Safe dashboard from the owner's computer.

I was genuinely trying to figure out where the safe dashboard page is, because I was just looking in here which describes how to create the members' wallet after you've setup the dashboard, and in here which doesn't contain some bold link that says "Dashboard". The average user won't even take the time to comprehend what's going on there. This message goes to the marketing team.

2. Custody of coins

I cannot fathom how one recommends to use a software that makes the user forfeit the ownership of their coins. The members' wallet, to my surprise, is custodial. I mean the Mixin messenger, which is the app the members use in cooperation with either the owner or the service (in case the owner lost their key). I'm not sure if I understand right, honestly, I hope I have ignored something, but if that's true, then, can't Mixin sign for both themselves and for the members' wallet if needed?

Anyway, I sent ~$30 to the wallet from Mixin messenger, and then attempted to send them to the dashboard's wallet. Boom, $7.35 -- a nice meal -- spent on mining fees for absolutely no reason. Even Binance, the worst of the worst in that matter, charges less for Segwit withdrawals.

3. Using Owner's and Member's wallet to broadcast a transaction

I attempted to empty the owner's wallet, so I create the first free transaction, approved from owner, requested members' approval, the notification sent to my mobile phone was quite cool, approved from members too, and then this message appeared in the dashboard:

Not sure what you're checking there, perhaps that it's my first transaction so I don't get charged? Hopefully. Then, another message showed up:

I'm not quite sure what's this approval. Does the network approve it's a valid transaction? Again, hopefully.

4. Pricing

Alright, I don't like at all the fact that I'm paying to make transactions (asides from mining fee obviously), and neither do I believe that the average, sane Bitcoin user does like that. But, out of curiosity, I wanted to check if you're really paying 25,000 sats for an on-chain transaction. For anyone viewing this, this is my multi-sig address: bc1q9pwsz8cwpvpcpsm3xz4280z3kaqernx9hvyrydetdnaddwc7g3msxwyt0g

Transaction - ca4677993dfb7f7e23d90359b8d01a2712c3226df670fd6df6d8e23bd90fb8cc - is the one that was supposedly paying $7.35 the miner, but to my surprise again, it only paid $0.54. But, as far as I see, the input isn't mine, so I can't really know in advance how they've scheduled to pay on-chain costs, but it's quite making a splash that my transaction (which was 1 input, 1 output btw) can't have costed $7.35.

The $2/year aren't much, but paying for transactions is. Someone who's making lots of transactions should not pick that one. In fact, anyone who's making transactions, because no user just makes one transaction and then disappears.

5. Security

Very, very questionable. The PIN is just too easy to brute force. There are less than a million combinations, a lot less, because you've introduced "easy PINs" that aren't considered secure. The UI lacks user friendliness. I'm somehow supposed to know myself how to back this up? The decentralized-recovery page is supposed to describe that in detail, but it's just filled with buzzwords as already said. Absolutely no essence, such as what to do with Mixin safe, or what if the Mixin network shuts down?

6. Privacy

Terrible. Mixin knows every transaction I make, there isn't much to be said here. The phone number is just an icing to the cake.

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Some final, noteworthy stuff:

• I found out there are several apk files when I tried to install Mornin on mobile. There's the one in Google Play Store, the v18 from support.mixin.one, the v33 from mornin.one/key. This just makes the entire experience worse, and rises the chances your development team screw it up when working with Mornin.
• I tried to recover the seed phrase from Mixin messenger. It does produce a valid BIP39, but when I recover it, there are no transactions made whatsoever, so there must be some custom derivation path that I should be aware of?
• One of Mixin messenger's apk is bugged (?)
• There are tons of domain names. This is like a scammer's paradise.

So, in my opinion, learning brand new software (Mixin, Messenger and Mornin), including an intermediary in my transactions, paying for the privilege of doing multi-sig transactions, while having terrible privacy and security for just having a company help me recover my coins in case either me or my family member is incapable of signing a message, is simply not worth it. Educating ourselves about securely setting up a multi-sig, non-custodial wallet is a million times more preferable and responsible.

Extended batch payment/reward sent.

Users:
Deadline to submit your review is until 20/08/2023 @ 23:59 UTC


@coupable and @Beparanf please remember your extended deadline is 15/08/2023 at 23:59 UTC

Your deadline is in 48 hours if I am not wrong :-)

Once we have reviews from all these users those are in this post, we will successfully complete the 100 reviews for Mixin Safe. I can't wait for a happy ending.

Please check spreadsheet, if anyone have any question then feel free to discuss on this thread.

Bitcointalk username: vv181
REVIEW:

MIXIN

The first thing tried to do before trying out Mixin Safe is to browse around your sites. One thing I found is that you have a lot of products/brands/stuff. For example, domain. I visited many domains as follows:

- https://safe.mixin.zone/
- https://mornin.one/key
- https://mixin.zone/
- https://support.mixin.one
- https://mixin.one/
- https://mixin.network/
- https://developers.mixin.one/
- https://messenger.mixin.one/
- https://mixinmessenger.zendesk.com/hc/en-us
- https://mvm.dev/

It is outrageous that Mixin manages and has decided to scatter around the service’s (sub)domain name. Although some of them are not directly related to Mixin Safe, generally, I don’t think it is even a good idea to have that many domains, especially for branding.

Mornin Key
Upon trying to browse around https://mornin.one/key, the list of Support and Legal footer is not clickable, and the icon link also hasn’t yet been set up. The page also claims as an open-source application, but there is no source code link/information in sight.

I tested around to reimport my key to another device, it would be good if the application was able to make an auto-fillable of the phrases, just like a regular cryptocurrency application where the user input the initial character of the phrase and the app will suggest the word.

Also, I utilise the backup feature to iCloud, but on another device, I can’t find a way to restore the backed-up items. You might want also consider to having a backup feature that can manually export the items, I mean not making the users forced to use the default iCloud backup option.

Mixin Messengger
I downloaded the desktop app, and it requires the mobile app.

Upon checking the number format, I saw XIN anonymous number. But no detailed information on what it is all about. Tried to search around https://mixinmessenger.zendesk.com, but there is no information about it.

I set up a pin. Log out of the device, relogin, it asks for confirmation to recover the chat message, and I click skip. Then it immediately logged on, I’m quite surprised since it did not ask for the pin confirmation. It only asks for a pin when I try to open the wallet page/tab.

Quite the contrary with Mornin Key, I can't use a simple pin combination, it forced with to use a complex one. Which is a good thing.

There is nothing much I can say for Mixin Messenger. One thing concerning. This application is a wallet, I don't think a tip-based pin number and phone number make users, especially me, feel safe enough to hold some funds within this application. I mean as the backup option.

Mixin Safe
Now is the time to try Mixin Safe. On the landing page, I was greeted with a nice hero image that conveys what Mixin Safe trying to achieve. Yet.. yet, in the below section, although you give a warning of “This is a beta software and to ensure the safety of your assets, it is not recommended to store more than $1,000.“, I consider it as a dark pattern that rather misguides your user.

I scanned the QR code, but I misclicked the app, trying to rescan, it shows “Invalid request data”. Turns out it was a one-time QR code and I have to refresh the webpage. Once the request authorization pops out came on, on the Profile and Wallet page, I’m able to choose the permission it asks for, the exception is “Read your public profile”. I tried to minimise the permission it would be able to access, but I do not know which one is necessary to use Mornin Key to create Mixin Safe. Also, I look at the related support page, but no information was available. I decided to enable them all.

I think you should add and clarify such kind of information on the related support pages specifically for the Mixin Safe Service’s required permissions. I guess the only one required is the one that did not able to be changed, but adding up the information won’t hurt.

I remember I haven't set up emergency contact on Mixin Messenger after I signed in. So I do it right now. It took me some time to find the way to the Emergency Contact page. I tried to find the information on the support about how to set it up, but it does not available. Kind of irritating.   

Upon trying to create Safes, all, the creation step and payment processes, go smoothly without looking much at the Support page.


Some extremely minor suggestions on the UX side. I think it would be nicer if you can delete members by retapping on the right of the floating pop-up, not only by clicking the ‘x’ on the Member container.

After it was created, I tried to play around to see whether it is possible to delete a Safes. It seems it can’t be deleted. I wonder what if some users want to somehow delete a Safe, noting it is limited by plans the user currently has.

Moreover, I tried to create a new Safe, but did not complete it. It is a nice thing that you put the session into the draft, but firstly I thought it also can’t be deleted. Not only after I click Back on the creation step processes until it shows the Delete button.

Now, when it comes to the deposit step, on the Safe Details page, I can directly copy the address. Great, it's neat. But when I click Receive Deposit page, it shows information that there is a minimum deposit amount. I wondered what happens when the user sent some bitcoins below the minimum amount.

The withdrawal process also goes smoothly, I can follow along without any difficulty. At this time, I just testing around to reject the transaction from withdrawing. It does show as rejected on the Transaction page, but the balance on Safes is missing! The balance shows again after I wait for a couple of minutes and repetitively refresh the pages.

By the way, I love how you insert a game into the live chat.

Finishing it up, Mixin Safe claim as a self-custodial wallet. Well, seems I don’t find any way or information to extract the private key of the multi-sig addresses. So far, I can easily follow along the current step-by-step process to create Mixin Safe using Mornin Key. I consider myself as extremely comfortable with computer stuff. Surely there could be more improvement specifically for the general userbase who have lack of digital/computer literacy.

Bitcointalk username: Trofo

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I started my journey with Mixin Safe tutorials and chosen How to use Bitcoin Core GUI to create safe. I have skimmed trough past reports and seen that very few people went with this approach so wanted to do it that way.

I started following the steps from tutorial and immediately found first problem – Login to Safe Dashboard is not a link. I mean whole WWW is made from links, is it that hard to link to it inside the tutorial instead of making user look for it? Of course first hit on google is taking forever to load and I am already loosing patience since I am not even sure it is the right page I am trying to open. After some more googling I found the right page and continued with dashboard.

In order to create safe I have made two separate Mixin messenger accounts and linked them together and inside the safe. This part I will keep intentionally short since it is foolproof and many people already described it in great detail. Anyway, Mixin messenger installation passed without any problems. Only strange thing is that upon installation I received 4 messengers from the team and 2 of them were copies. Another small mistake but one which shows that team does not care about details. Never a good sign. App asked me 4 times to confirm pin which is really an overkill. I could understand third attempt to make it extra sure but 4th one just made me feel like my time is totally unappreciated, and that feeling has not left me during whole time I have been using Mixing products.

Problems started when I needed to use Bitcoin Core Gui  in combination with Mixin dashboard. I believe tutorial has some mistakes since copy pasting the commands did not work for me both in Gui and Daemon.





I managed to make it work by manually typing the commands and guessing my way trough like there is no tutorial. My biggest problem with this step is that is so easy to solve. Just take a look at next picture. Dashboard knows I am using Bitcoin Core, is it that hard to provide correct commands and parameters inside the code window or in separate one? There is no need for tutorial, just simple copy paste from this page should have everything needed to make it work. I mean I feel like I could code it one day and it would save so much time for customers. Another point where I feel like team does not care about customers. Furthermore, I am quite certain than none of them tried to make it work with Bitcoin Core, otherwise my above mentioned suggestion would already be implemented in same way.

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After creation of safe everything worked as it should. It is easy to top it up and balance change is seen inside Bitcoin Core immediately.



My next "problems" started at the moment I wanted to withdraw the money. Approvals from messenger applications passed ok and were quite straightforward again.


But whole process is incredibly slow and taxing to perform when BitcoinCore is owner wallet. Is it really only possible to be done with this many copy/pasting, being careful to include all that is necessary up to one character and combining info from dashboard and tutorial at the same time?



Again this should have been handled in much more customer friendly way. In the end I managed to complete the transaction and I immediately deleted all the messengers and bookmarks since this is the process I don't want to pass trough ever again.

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Conclusion:
I am really at a loss to see who is supposed to use this service. It is much too complicated for newbies and overly cumbersome for experienced bitcoiners, especially in combination with the warning "This is test product, don't use it for more than 1000$". I have my own bitcoin node running and have been using bitcoin core extensively during recent ordinals craze. Without that knowledge I don't think I would have been able to make it work.

This review is maybe a bit too harsh, since I purposely tested something most people will probably not encounter but after doing it, i can only advise fellow users to never try the combination with Bitcoin Core. Furthermore it is so much easier to accomplish similar stuff with simple bitcoin multi sig wallet. I need 2 minutes to set that up and I have all the private keys while here I lost an hour and was never sure what is private and what isn't.

I can see this service to be of use for other coins where multisig wallets aren't native and customers aren't using Bitcin Core as owner wallet. As it stands, unless something gets done I think it is better to drop the support for Bitcoin Core than to make customers go trough this process.

Bitcointalk username: noormcs5

Review for Mixin Safe

Configuring Mornin key
I started by creating the Mornin key. For this when i visited the playstore, i found that it was not free and required payment to install it. However, since I do not have the payment method configured in order to purchase the app, i decided to install the APK version of it.
Once installed, i backed the mnemonic phrase in order to secure my account.




Configuring Mixin messenger

Now I installed the Mixin Messenger again from playstore. It was free and there was no payment. I verified it and it ask me the PIN 4 times and then it was all set up. Easy and quick setup process.
I explored the wallet and it supported many cryptocurrencies. The interface was clean too. I did not deposit any amount here directly because i will use the Mixin Safe to deposit.

Configuring Mixin Safe

To do this, i go to the Mixin Safe Dashboard https://safe.mixin.zone/start and followed the step by step instructions there. The first thing i noticed there was the chat readily available and in case of any issue we can always contact their support.



Creating the Safe was the first thing to do here and for that i signing to the mixin messager through the QR Code. The scanning was instant, it ask me to verify my pin and i was able to login to the Safe Mixin Dashboard https://safe.mixin.zone/dashboard

I do not have any plans, so i decided to upgrade to the 2$ plan and see how it actually works. Point to note is that without this upgrade we cannot create the mixin safe.
I payed 2$ using the TRX and the plan was upgraded.



Creating Safe and Testing the Deposit and withdrawals

Now i will create my safe and then test the deposit and withdrawals. The safe creating process was easy, i choose bitcoin Network, and then i scanned the Momin Key and safe was created.



Now i deposited Bitcoin in my Mixin Safe and it arrived successfully.



Now i will check the withdrawal through mixin safe.

It first ask for the members approval, which is done by approving the transaction by the the Mixin Messenger scanning the QR code




Then i approve the transaction as an owner through the Mornin Key and it was successfully done.

Below is the screenshot of the transactions.



Conclusion
It was a good experience of using the mixin safe. Also, this is a more secure solution as now we need at least two approvers before our funds can be withdrawn.

Bitcointalk username: internetional

First impression

Mixin Safe is positioned as a solution for decentralized bitcoin storage. In my view, this positioning is unlikely to attract anyone. All Bitcoin UTXOs are already stored in a decentralized manner: on many thousands of computers worldwide. Hence, the phrase "decentralized bitcoin custody solutions" doesn't capture any attention. Bitcoin, at first glance, doesn't appear to have a problem necessitating such solutions. Everything is already resolved.

Let’s figure it out

However, it's intriguing to understand the developers' intentions and the problem they aimed to address. Reading the description, it appears that they are likely referring to a storage approach that eliminates a single point of failure. When only one person possesses the key to the assets, any mishap involving that person would render the bitcoins inaccessible. Mixin Safe proposes a storage method in which multiple individuals possess the keys, preventing any one of them from unilaterally spending the bitcoins.

In essence, the idea is not novel. It appears that Mixin Safe is yet another program designed to manage bitcoins using M-of-N multi-signature addresses. Similar to, for instance, the Nunchuk wallet.

Is it really just a multisig wallet?

In order to check whether Mixin Safe is truly a conventional application for multi-signature addresses, I followed the instructions on the website, created a safe, granted access to two of my alter egos, deposited funds into the safe, and withdrew coins from it. The outcome revealed that Mixin Safe generates a somewhat unconventional M-of-N multi-signature address.

Typically, in addresses of this type, all signatures hold equal weight. It's immaterial whose signatures are included and whose are not. Once M signatures are accumulated, the transaction is transmitted to the network and acknowledged as valid.

In Mixin Safe, users are categorized into two types: "owner" and "members." The owner's signature on the transaction is mandatory. Regardless of the number of signatures added by members, the transaction remains invalid until the owner's signature is present.

Indeed, this arrangement seems to deviate from decentralization. The ownership structure is conspicuously centralized, with the "owner" occupying a central role and being singular in nature. In the event of any mishap befalling the owner, the other signature holders would be rendered incapable of managing the bitcoins.

Why then is it necessary?

The developers of Mixin Safe assert that this approach could prove beneficial for institutional bitcoin holders. Under this storage scheme, no individual within the organization would have the ability to unilaterally seize or misuse the bitcoins.

Indeed, this logic holds merit. Requiring a predetermined number of "members" signatures for any bitcoin transaction ensures that the "owner" can't execute a financial operation without obtaining the necessary approval from a sufficient number of “members”. This aligns with a conventional corporate approach to asset management.

But I see two more use cases for this scheme.

Firstly, Mixin Safe can be used to teach children about responsibility. I will illustrate this through a comparison of the Mixin Safe principle with the Nunchuk principle.

In Nunchuk, the setup would be as follows:
- I give the child a key to a multi-signature address in the wallet, keep the second key for myself, and give the third key to my wife.
- Meanwhile, I establish a 2-of-3 rule, meaning the child can manage the funds in the wallet only with the consent of either mom or dad.
- The child doesn't feel like the owner of the money; they understand that mom and dad can at any time withdraw all the money from the wallet using their two signatures.

In Mixin Safe, the situation is indeed different.
- When I give money to a child, the child becomes the "owner," while the parents become "members."
- The child still requires the consent of one of the parents for any financial transaction, but now the parents also need the child's approval.
- If the child loses their key, parents won't be able to control the funds using only their two keys. With this understanding, the child will take much more responsible care of the key.

Secondly, Mixin Safe could indeed be used to implement the principle of citizenship comprehensively. It would be interesting if taxes were collected using Mixin Safe wallets. The state becomes the "owner," while the family (husband and wife with shared property) are the "members." Citizens are required to pay taxes, and so we comply. Once the money is transferred to Mixin Safe, it becomes the state's property, and we lose the ability to withdraw it. However, states are obligated to spend on their citizens, not on warfare or terrorism. Each citizen can opt to withhold their signature from expenditures they deem inappropriate. This concept would truly embody citizenship, with citizens holding real responsibility for the actions of their states.

To achieve this, it would indeed require the Recovery feature to not function, similar to its current state of non-functionality. As initially designed by the developers, if the "owner" key is lost, access to the funds can be regained using the "members" keys, and if the members' keys are lost, the "owner" key would be used for recovery. Currently, when attempting to initiate the recovery procedure, an error message is displayed.


If this error is fixed and "members" can access assets bypassing the "owner," and the "owner" can bypass the "members," then it will be unclear to me why all of this is needed. In my opinion, Mixin Safe would then be merely an unnecessary complication of the typical multi-signature M-of-N scheme. There would be no fundamentally new features in it.

It's doubtful that anyone would pay for the same solution that is freely available in existing multi-signature wallets.

OMG! Is there a cost for this?

Yes, indeed. The website indicates that the usage fee amounts to $100. During the testing phase, we can try out Mixin Safe features for $2. I gave it a try, and it seemed much less convenient to me compared to the free Nunchuk.
- Firstly, when using a smartphone wallet, you actually need two applications instead of just one: Mixin Messenger and Mornin Key. Additionally, Mornin Key comes with a cost.
- Secondly, one smartphone won't suffice. You'll require an additional device with a web browser. The internal browser integrated into Mixin Messenger cannot be used to log into Mixin Safe. This is because the authorization process involves a QR code, which can only be scanned by a different device. (By the way, I attempted to photograph the QR code and then read it using the same device where it was initially displayed. This approach didn't work. After closing the browser displaying the QR code, I launched Mixin Messenger, read the QR code from the photo, returned to the browser, and found the QR code had already changed. This likely occurs every time the browser goes into the background. Authorization can only be achieved with an active browser.)
- Thirdly, the website used for primary interactions with Mixin Safe is inadequately designed and isn't optimized for all devices. For instance, on my Samsung J730, I am unable to tap the View button, essential for confirming a transaction. If a transaction status is “Proposing”, the button is simply not visible. And it’s impossible to scroll the page right: only up-down scrolling is allowed.


There are additional minor details that could potentially affect one's perception of Mixin Safe, but when compared to the previously mentioned issues, these are indeed minor concerns.

The only undeniable benefit I found in Mixin Safe is the fixed transaction fee: $1. This means that the fee for Mixin Safe could be viewed as purchasing insurance against potential increases in blockchain fees. I suppose I would be willing to pay for such an insurance policy. However, it's unclear how the developers intend to maintain this cost during mempool congestions. It's possible that transactions will be sent to the network with a fee not exceeding $1 and will take a long time to be confirmed.

Recommendations

On the whole, I still haven't grasped the purpose behind all of this and what exactly merits payment. Hence, as a conclusion to my review, I would like to offer a few recommendations to the developers.

1. Make an effort to provide a clearer explanation of the specific problem that Mixin Safe is intended to address. It could be that its ideal application is indeed as insurance against rising transaction costs.
2. Ensure that Mixin Safe effectively tackles this problem. For instance, to achieve genuine decentralization, it could be worth considering the removal of "owner" privileges. Additionally, for the two use cases I mentioned earlier, it might be beneficial to eliminate the Recovery option.
3. Illustrate your unique selling points through examples, highlighting how you differentiate from free alternatives. While you already have a list of distinctions, it's crucial to make them more tangible and clear. For instance, you mention having a helpdesk, but the value of paying for support diminishes if customers need to wait for hours to receive assistance. If the helpdesk is intended as a competitive advantage, it should be made more responsive.
4. Work on refining and optimizing the user interface to ensure compatibility with various devices. Currently, using your wallet on certain devices is not merely inconvenient but at times even impossible.

Anyway, thank you for the opportunity to write a review. I found it very interesting to delve into Mixin Safe. I wish you all the best.

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@Iroh, can you please PM me a transaction ID for depositing and another transaction ID of withdrawing please? I need to verify your review.

@jamyr, a scam accusation created against you: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/failed-to-submit-review-and-also-did-not-refund-the-payment-5462856
For a Sr. Member rank this was really unpredictable and irresponsible.

Bitcointalk Username: Asiska02

My Review After Testing Mixin Safe
Downloading Process:
Mornin Key: While trying to download the mornin key, it appeared that I have to pay a certain fee ($0.99) to have access to the download and installation, paying from there will be tedious as I have no card linked to purchase online. I had to go back to the user guide on the thread, it was required that I can access it using iOS devices by installing the TestFlight. TestFlight was downloaded without any stress and I got acces to downloading the mornin key, very easy and stress free. I love the whole concept.



Mixing Messenger: Mixin messenger was also downloaded and installed without any issues or requirement to pay a certain amount for it.

Opening the Mornin key:
At first, It was required that I secure the app by adding password to it, which I did. I entered a name for my account (my bitcointalk username) and was been given my mnemonic seed phrase which I was able to note down easily. I actually took a screenshot of the phrase, so that I can have easy access to it while going on with the process. While inputing back the seed phrase to access the application, I mistakenly added a phrase that’s not in order and it immediately popped an error message out that says (not in order). I restarted and put in the correct order.

Opening the mixin messenger:
The first thing that appeared on my screen after opening the app is that I should input my phone number. I was expecting to see a brief introduction of the app but didn’t. Haven to enter your phone number first is not a good idea to me. After adding my phone number, it still went ahead for me to confirm if I was human, which I passed the process swiftly. After that, I received a 4 digit code easily from (VERIMSMG) which appeared on my clipboard and I inserted easily by clicking through the clipboard. Another option of using email to sign in the process will also be commendable.


Before proceeding, it was required before creating a wallet that you set up a PIN, a 6-digit pin which was confirmed after 4 confirmation process, which I feel it’s okay since you can’t get access to your wallet when you lost the 6-digit pin. After getting the wallet, I was awed to see the UI, it was really attractive and easy to navigate.

Creating member wallets:
Creating members wallet to connect to each other requires me to download another mixing messenger app for them.

Creating Mixin safe
I was able to access the safe website dashboard through my laptop PC. I clicked on sign in and a QR code appear for me to scan if I already had a mixin messenger, I logged into my mixin messenger app and scanned the QR code and it immediately gave me access which appeared in the website dashboard of my laptop and also on my mixin messenger app in my phone. The UI on the dashboard is very okay and easy to understand.
I continue by creating a new safe:
1. New Safe: Filled in the name and the network to use (bitcoin was preferable to me)
2. Owner: Selected mornin key as the owner key of the safe. Logged into my mornin key to scan the QR code from my laptop screen. After scanning the QR code, I could not proceed because the name on the safe didn’t match the name on my mornin key, I had to discard the process, change the name on my safe to the one I have on my mornin key app and tried again. This time around it still failed, and I just went ahead to create a new key with the name which worked swiftly.

3. I was able to add one member who have already downloaded the Mixin app and have access to it.

4. I was asked to upgrade the plan which I chose the $2 upgrade plan. I chose BTC as payment method by scanning the QR code through my binance wallet app to pay. I tried severally and it keeps saying invalid QR code. I just add to input the address on my Binance app manually to make payment, still it failed.

5.  I changed the payment method to using TRX and it went through smoothly and my payment was confirmed within 1 minute. After this step, I was asked to add member again and i added the initial person before.
6. New safe was successfully created and I used my mornin key app to scan the QR code displayed on my laptop screen to sign in. This was the dashboard after signing in successfully.


Depositing into the Mixin safe:
I was able to locate the “receive deposit” button quickly on the dashboard of my created Mixin safe page. I proceeded to add funds into the safe, which is BTC of course. This time around, I still tried to scan the QR code to make payment and it went through swiftly but the payment didn’t reflect in the Mixin safe account immediately, it took about 20 minutes, I guess the mempool was congested at that time.

Withdrawing from the Mixin safe:
I clicked on the new transaction tab and was immediately taken to a page to confirm my Mixin safe account name and the asset I want to transact with. With what appeared, it seems you can have more than one Mixin safe account and select from the one you want to transact with. I clicked on next and inserted the address I want to transfer the funds to. Immediately it showed me to approve the transaction and also showed my other member status as “waiting”, needed his confirmation before I can proceed. I could not get approval not until when I used my Mixin messenger app to still scan a QR code from my laptop before my approval was granted. My other member did the same and the transaction got approved immediately. I received the BTC in the recipient address faster than I expected.
The security it provides at this stage makes it appealing for me to use when the app will be fully functional by the end of the beta version period.

Observation
1. The whole process is quite ambiguous, this is my first time using the app but with some delay in payments confirmations, it’ll take more time than needed to finish the whole process.
2. Email should be used as an alternative to signing up on the Mixin messenger app, not everybody will give their personal contact out when testing an app online. It defeats the aim of privacy in this case.
3. Using three different tools for this process is really hectic, if there’s a way to combine one or two of these tools together it’ll be better, rather than switching between two different apps and also a browser.
4. More languages to be included in the support website (https://support.mixin.one/en/category/mixin-safe-n3u479/) to enhance the usage, easy understanding and accessibility to users that wants to use the service.

Summary
In summary, I really enjoyed the whole process with the security it provides to your funds not to allow any third party that you haven’t authorised to have access to your funds. The concept of recovering your account through a trusted emergency contact is very great and commendable one since you’ll be the one to add them yourself. Without a step-to-step guide, a newbie trying to use the app for the first time will be lost. Also, if you don’t have little knowledge at all about the technical aspects of bitcoin, you might find it hard to go through the whole process smoothly.

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Background: I think what matters the most for every business, it's how a brand new customer will enjoy the product. So, from now on, you'll read the review of a guy who visited Mixin Safe for the first time.

The first impression and Get Started experience

Mixin.zone – this domain name sounds cool, my first impression was that it was a bitcoin mixer, especially when I visited subdomain safe.mixin.zone but seems it is an absolutely different project. The first thing that I see when I visit a website, is its visual side, mixin managed to take care of that very well. The first time I visit this website, I was able to browse it easily, the overall experience was good because the website is well-structured. I quickly figured out what this company was offering to me.

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Now, let’s click on ‘Get Started’ button. The first step is to create an Owner Wallet. We have three options there: Morning Key, Ledger and Bitcoin Core. I’ll choose Morning Key because it’s a brand new, developed by mixin team and it’s open-source too. I like innovations, new things, so let's try it out!
Morning Key – this app helps you to manage passwords, login and keys, it works like a password manager and costs €1.09 on Google Play but you can download an APK file from official website for free. I don’t know why it isn’t it free on Google Play but I’ll just buy it. For mobile number verification I successfully used Textverified, it charged me 1.25 USD for it.



Now I have to prepare Members wallet. It’s good that Mixin Messenger is available for iOS, Android, Windows and Linux but problem here is that Mixin messenger asks me to scan QR code from my smartphone in order to log in on PC. That’s a little bit discomfort for me to download one app on my computer and one on smartphone in order to use the service but that's still okay.

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Mixin Messenger

So, it’s time to log into Mixin’s desktop APP. It was a little bit surprise when it asked for QR code scan via my smartphone, it also simultaneously asked me to set up the PIN before I logged in on desktop app. It’s like a nice way to force someone to secure things. Also, another good feature during the pin set up is that it doesn’t allow you to set too simple and insecure PIN combinations, like, for example 123456. Another good feature is that while it requests 6 character pin, it also asks you to repeat the PIN for 4 times, this is a good requirement, it enforces you to actually keep an eye on what PIN you enter and helps you to recognize your pin and remember it.



It really looks cool on both devices. The desktop version really reminds me a mixture of Telegram and Whatsapp while the smartphone version is a new look with cool modern design (I took a smartphone screenshot lately and also changed my name). Mixin messenger app on your smartphone gives you possibility to send/receive money, scan QR code, add contacts, create groups, message with friends, edit your profile and so on. I can confidently say that this app is really the best part of Mixin.

The only moment where I felt stuck was when I had to add emergency contact but finally figured it out:

• You have to open Mixin App on your smartphone
• Click at the top right side of the app, on your first name letter icon.
• Click on Settings on the right side.
• Account > Security and there is your option to add an emergency contact.

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Mornin Key - mixin's password manager that you can also use to save other accounts
Mornin key is a very easy app with very simple and nice user interface, it's really beautiful, font is smooth, everything is smooth and easy. As I see, it also works as a password manager not only for mixin but for other accounts too.

To sum up, I think it really took too much from me just for registration. I had to use two device for registration, my computer and my smartphone. While it was entirely possible on smartphone alone, I really had to move back and forth for registration, I had to download Mixin messenger on PC and Mornin key & messenger on smartphone too.

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Mixin Safe - the most interesting part of this review

Let's sign in Mixin Safe. In order to sign, I have to scan QR code via my smartphone, okay, I get it.
Mixin Safe dashboard looks cool with very simple and easy to use design but to be honest, design is very pale, I would add some colors to make it look better.
I had to use Mornin key app in order to create a new safe. But not only that, on the 4th step, I had to use Mornin key again in order to sign. As it seems, these guys take security very seriously but this security is achieved via using your smartphone and computer together, both of them are very linked.




Now, this is the time when we have to choose our plan. I chose the basic one that costs $2 and gives me an option to add only one member to confirm transaction. There were variety of payment methods, which I personally like because sometimes Bitcoin transaction fees are ridiculously high and I see nothing wrong with altcoin usage but yesterday fees weren't very high for me, so I paid with bitcoin and it all went very smoothly.


Okay, so all the necessary steps are finished here. Overall, once you register on this platform and setup your Mixin messenger, Mornin Key and create a new safe, you can proudly say that this service is very easy to use. I was easily able to make a transaction inside the platform, also was easily able to withdraw my coins without any problem.

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Conclusion and advices
First of all, I want to say positive things. Mixin Safe really looks like an innovative platform with one clear aim, to put privacy and security first!
To be completely honest, it was a little bit exhausting, too much for the first time use. It is not a simple service but not super advanced, it's between, while the security seems to be higher than any other related platform offers. Actually, only the setup process is too complicated, once you figure it out and setup your mixin, then things get very simple.
Also, I would also like if I were able to use Mixin messenger via web browser instead of downloading one. I think that current mixing projects looks like to be divided in three parts: Web wallet, messenger and mornin key. I think it's possible to combine web wallet and messenger like Meta has combined meta ads, news feed and messages on one website.

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Mornin Key
As all others said, I couldn’t afford to buy the app from Play Store since it requires me to share my card number, etc. So, I have downloaded the apk version and created the account. All good but I didn’t like that the mnemonic phrase can be taken as a screenshot. This should be protected, by disallowing screenshots on that page. I know this is a part to consider by the user but it’s goodwill from the team to ensure no one is taking screenshots by force disallowing this. There’s nothing much I have to add as this was the experience without having the actual uses which we will find in the later stage in creating safe.

Mixin Messenger
First thing first, I would have shared the review yesterday but sadly I couldn’t start at the right time due to phone number verification. I had to wait more than 24 hours before I changed the number and try verifying again. I wasn’t getting a verification code. After a few failed attempts, I decided to check out how I can fix it. I found an email ([email protected]) to contact if I’m having any problems with receiving the 4-digit code. Guess what, the email isn’t a valid one.
After that, I changed my phone number and got the 4-digit code instantly. Was that my fault? I don’t know as I have given a valid working and active phone number. Personal opinion, a phone number is a very bad choice here I think. There are a lot of other options available.
I really found the app interesting if I keep the phone number thing aside. I have used both desktop and android mixin messenger. Pretty much I liked the idea of building a messenger with a wallet. Is it already available? I don’t know, I haven’t seen any other than this. In addition, there are a few nice important settings on the notification and confirmation page which is very much helpful.
By the way, I have used the mixin messenger on both mobile and desktop. While I can see the all chat history in the mobile app, I can see nothing on the desktop. The chat history has disappeared.

On mobile



On desktop


History has disappeared.

Added LDL on the platform. Have exchanged some messages with LDL. After that, added LDL as my emergency contact so I can recover my id later in case I lost access.
The chat feature is cool, to be honest. There’s auto-destruction mode where the message will be deleted/disappeared after the set time. It’s a cool feature. However, again, here’s one problem- any party from the chat can take screenshots which I really think isn’t a good option. This feature should be removed in my personal opinion.

Mixin dashboard
I have used the dashboard on my desktop while I have the app on my phone. I used the app to authenticate to log in to the dashboard. After closing the browser, when I wanted to re-access the dashboard, it didn’t require any authentication from the phone. Well, it’s the same browser but every time we close the tab, I think it should require authentication from the app because the dashboard may contain some sensitive data like whom did I send crypto, my activities, etc. Well, there’s a log-out option available though, but most people will be lazy to click that option lol (Moreover, the log-out option isn’t visible by default unless we click on our username on the dashboard). So, every time there’s a new session, I would like to be required an authentication. I don’t want anyone to watch all these by mistakes.



Creating safe
Well, I have to agree that it’s a more convenient multi-sig wallet as some people may find it a hassle to set up the usual multi-sig wallet and store all the keys, etc. It can be a very much useful tool for many small corporate (I will recommend this to someone today). However, it was my surprise that there was no on-chain transaction at all even though I have deposited from my mixin messenger wallet (why I can’t directly put addresses? Every time I need to add them manually. This is weird I think) to multi-sig address from the safe. I don’t know what I’m missing but that’s the case lol. Why there was no on-chain tx? I will possibly post this on the ANN thread as it seems I’m missing some info here. When I have withdrawn from the safe, I have seen an on-chain incoming tx in my mixin messenger wallet.
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My address where I deposited 0.08+ LTC. After that, I paid 0.02 LTC+ for the upgrade. Then I sent 0.01 LTC to the multi-sig safe address. After successfully creating the safe, I have withdrawn the fund and curiously checked through explorer. It says 0.09= balance in the address. I can’t see the transaction in between.

The whole process seems pretty much simple and hassle-free for the security of someone’s fund if they want to avoid all the processes of multi-sig. In general, I liked the whole idea of mixin safe.

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I think, I already spend enough time with Mixin apps and I’m ready to write this review. Allright, let’s start!

Mornin Key

When I check the website, I would like to point out that it has a very simple and user-friendly use. There is a simple and concise information about the product and service offered on the website and these are explained in a way that even a beginner user can easily understand when they read it. Also, Google Play Store and App Store redirect to download the app are also very nicely positioned on the website. Unfortunately, when I scrolled down to the bottom of the website my expectations were not met adequately. Although there are necessary images for social media accounts, unfortunately none of these buttons were working even though I checked a few times. This is definitely a situation that will cause a loss of trust for this type application because the missing of any social media account is a very important obstacle to follow the developments about the service and product. In addition, I searched on the website, unfortunately, I didn’t come across any contact information, privacy policy and user agreement. It may seem a bit normal thing to happen due to the fact that it is a newly introduced service but all of this had to be completed before offering this service to the users. Also, it is not a good to have help center, contact us and press kit buttons in the support area at the footer area without any guidance.

To briefly talk about the mobile application, I see that since it is a new application it has been installed on very few devices and there is not enough user review based on this situation. If I had not used the buttons on the website to download the application I would have doubts about whether this application is the official application or not. In addition, it is necessary to pay a very price of 1 EURO to download the application. Despite all this, the fact that no authorization is requested on my device after the application installation shows that the application is not actually used to collect user data. I would like to state that I did not encounter any problems when I created an account and backed up my words.
As for my recommendations about the application, I definitely think that all the buttons in the footer area of the website should redirect to the links correctly as soon as possible and social media accounts should also be added here. I also think that with a good marketing strategy, mobile applications should be downloaded by more people and user comments should be collected.

Mixin App

It was very easy to download the application and install it on the phone. Just like every application from the application market is installed, I had no problems during the download and installation of the application on the phone using only the "Install" button, and there was no extra situation that would attract my attention.
After the installation of the application a user agreement welcomes us where we can see the "Accept and continue" button. It was not possible to use the application without accepting this agreement.

In order to create a membership in the application, a valid phone number is required first. Registering the Mixin with the code sent to the phone number is preferred as a very good verification method in order not to use the application by malicious people and to prevent bot users from being included in the application.
The fact that Mixin Messenger works in an integrated way within the application is definitely a user-friendly feature because there is no need to install a different application for Mixin Messenger. In addition to ensuring application integrity this prevents many applications from being installed on the device.

It is also necessary to set up a pin code to be used for all transfer operations that can be done during application installation. This code must be six digits and must be confirmed by typing this code three times in a row. The fact that such a security measure has been taken to prevent any typos definitely eliminates any possible erroneous code generation possibilities.

Since only the phone number is used when registering to the application, the possibility of defining emergency contacts within the application is also provided. The person you add here can help you to access your Mixin account in case you lose access to your phone number. In this way, you can access your Mixin account again with the help of this person if the phone number you used when you signed up for the application is unreachable.

To talk about other features in the application, the fact that there are options for name, profile photo and biography information definitely provides a nice variety for personalizing your Mixin profile. In addition, the fact that the phone number registered to the Mixin account can be changed by entering the pin code from the profile information in the settings, which definitely helps to update the information easily in case the phone number changes.
Again, the QR code of the Mixin account and the QR code of the Mixin wallet, which are located in the settings menu, also allow many transactions to be made easily. In addition, the buttons added to scan the QR code at the bottom of these options, where we can see the QR codes belonging to our own account, were definitely very useful.
It is also very easy to create a new chat and new group chat with the options here. The fact that you can see everyone in your contacts and that you can add new contacts from here is among the very useful features.
The fact that there are options to add Mixin users and see the users that are currently added here also contributed a lot to ensuring the integrity of the application. Having mentioned this, I would also like to point out that to add a Mixin user to your contacts, you must use that person's Mixin ID, phone number or QR code. The fact that there are so many options to add people is definitely a nice thing. In addition, if you allow access to your phone book, you can see the contacts in your phone book and create Mixin membership with this phone number and add them to your contacts list.

When I check the settings menu of the application, I saw that there are options for account, chats, notification and confirmation, data and storage usage, apperance settings, QR code scanning menu for the use of Mixin Messenger on the desktop, about, invite a friend and feedback. There are various uses such as having so many options for the app and finding all the options easily.
To summarize the settings menu briefly;

When I click on the "account" option here, I see that the privacy, security and phone number change settings are included. Also, "Delete My Account" option is located in this menu in case if the users want the Mixin account to be deleted permanently.

When I click on the "chats" option here, there are options for cloud backup, transferring account backup to computer and other devices, and transferring data from computer to mobile device.

When I clicked on the "Notification and Confirmation" option here, I saw the options to make the necessary adjustments for message preview, transfer notifications, large-amount transfer confirmations and duplicate transfer confirmation settings.

When I clicked on the "Data and Storage Usage" option here, I saw the options I want to download photos, videos and files with Wi-Fi or cellular data and I can adjust them. Also here is the option about storage usage.

When I clicked on the "Appearance" option here, I saw the theme options to be used in the application interface, the language setting, the default currency for my account, the background settings of the chats and the options where I can edit the font in the chats.

When I clicked on the "Mixin Messenger Desktop" option here, I saw that there was an option where I could scan the QR code if I wanted to access Mixin Messenger using my computer.

When I clicked on the "Feedback" option here, I was directed to my automatically created chat with "Team Mixin" to directly convey my feedback and opinions.

When I clicked on the "Invite a Friend" option here, I came across the share screen with links related to the invitation text directly in the application.

And finally, when I click on the "about" option, the social media accounts of Mixin, the help center, user agreement, privacy policy, accepted agreements and the application version of the device in order to check the update of the application.

Mixin Messenger

Mixin Messenger, like many chat applications, is an application that uses end-to-end encryption and has a very useful structure. Voice calls, taking photos with-in the application, file transfer, direct sharing of contact information and location sharing feature work very well. The biggest difference compared to other chat applications is the "transfer" option for performing cryptocurrency transfers because it works integrated with the in-app wallet service. This is a very nice feature that allows balance transfer without miner fee and allows users to transfer cryptocurrencies among themselves without using any cryptocurrency wallets. In addition, the fact that the cryptocurrency transfers are displayed as messages in the chat menu of both users is a very nice feature in order to be able to immediately notice the transfers and easily check them later.
The fact that there are emoji, stickers and gif options in the chat menu definitely makes a great contribution to making the chats more enjoyable. On the other hand, being able to see both the name information and Mixin ID information of the person chatting on the chat screen is a very useful feature to understand who is chatting with.
The only negative review I can make for Mixin Messenger is that unfortunately there is no emoji drop feature for messages in chats. Especially as a people who doesn’t prefer to leave messages as "seen" without any reaction, I often interact emojis for messages that I cannot reply to, and it is very sad for me that this feature is not available in this application.

Mixin Safe

First of all, if I were to make a general review, I would like to state that it has a very successful and easy-to-use interface.
When I visit the main page, I see my account balance and my account balance from past to present, active safes, total and pending transactions in graphic form. When I examine the graph, I can see that the area that shows the account balance from the past to the present graphically, can be filtered as 1 week, 1 month, 1 year and all time. Also, there are options for 'send', 'receive' and 'create safe'.

When I click on the "Safes", I see the names, balances, addresses and members of the safes I have created before. With the "View" option next to any safe, it is possible to see all the necessary information and transaction histories of that safe. In addition, the necessary buttons for depositing and transferring money to these safes are also located here.

When I click on the "Transactions’’, I’m directed to the section where I can see and check the transaction history of all the transactions I have made with my safes in my Mixin account. Here, it is very easy to access all the details of the relevant transactions by using the "View" button next to each transaction.

When I click on the "Activities", a redirect occurs to the section where I can see all the activity history of my Mixin account. Here, all transactions made within the Mixin account are included and it is possible to access the details of all transactions by using the "View" button on the side of each transaction.

To talk about my experience in trading with Mixin Safe;

First of all, it is necessary to create a safe for ourselves using our Mixin account. For this, it is necessary to use the "Safes" option in the left menu. From here, it is necessary to enter a name for the safe that we will create and choose which crypto network it will use. After completing this information, the QR code on the screen should be scanned with Mornin Key. After scanning the code, it is very important to confirm this transaction from within the Mornin Key application. In the next step, it is necessary to write the members you want to add for the safe here and write the required number in the box indicating how many people should approve each transaction. After providing this information, a membership upgrade is required in order to create this safe. Here, by using the "Upgrade Plan" option, the person should choose the most suitable plan for him/her and be directed to the payment screen by using the "Upgrade" option in this plan. It is definitely a very good thing that the plan upgrade has been provided with the opportunity to pay with many cryptocurrencies because among the many options here, users can choose the most suitable option for themselves and make their payment. After all these processes are completed, we can easily perform the transfer transactions using Mixin.

To summarize in general;

- The contact and about information on the Mornin Key website should be updated and edited as soon as possible.

- Mixin app is definitely designed in a very beautiful and useful way.

- Mixin Messenger works very successfully in an integrated way within the Mixin application, but the only suggestion from me is, it is not possible to react with emojis in messages.

- Mixin membership upgrade prices are very affordable and the fact that there are various cryptocurrency options in payment methods is definitely a huge advantage.

- Mixin Safe, quite beautiful and user-friendly interface.

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  MY REVIEW

Installation of mornin key and Mixin Messenger

After looking for the app, there was a cost to pay to obtain the mornin key, which cost roughly ₦495.00 to download. I purchased and installed the mornin key without encountering any problems. The download and installation of the program took only a few seconds, and after a few easy steps, I successfully opened an account. And the purpose of the mornin key is to help in setting up the maxin safe.
 
This was the first interface, and from it, there are two methods to get the mornin key: establish an account or import an account, and you must create a novice account.  Most notably, the seed phrase, popularly known as "not your keys, not your coin." This clearly means that is the keys is lost then there is zero access to the wallet. Also can choose to use biometrics or passcode for security reasons.

Mixin crypto wallet Messenger
Searching for the app on Google was quite successful, and after a successful installation, I was asked to input my phone number to get it validated, and you must set a six-digit password and enter it at least four times to receive adequate confirmation. And the few guidelines to complete installation. The bot with guidelines popped up after completion of the signup, also giving information on how secure it is to transfer your assets.

  Initialization with Mixin Safe/ Configuring Owner Wallet
And few guidelines on how to set your safe wallet on maxin which are stated below
1) Visiting the maxi safe website and go to prepare wallet and click o mornin key to scan the provided bar code. And approval was giving to login the maxin safe.
2) After setting up a profile on maxin.
 
3. Then move to the upgrade plan to gain access to your bitcoin receiving address and pay around $2 for the upgrade plan, which includes multiple payment methods such as USDT in different transfer chains. And the plan varies depending on which one anyone choose to subscribe to.
     
    
And when the payment was made, it took a few minutes for the status to become active I scanned while completing the payment, and no errors were discovered throughout the upgrade process.
Deposit and Withdrawal

Deposit

Since the deposit was already active after the upgrade, a particular quantity of Bitcoin was sent to maxin safe, and the deposit was confirmed without hesitation, the balance reflected on the balance, and on the other hand, I was having some issues with the mempool scenario.



  Withdrawal

One thing that drew my attention was the fact that it was a very easy and flexible platform to use its simplicity is unrivaled, and security measures are properly placed and the intriguing part was that when I was going to test the withdrawal, there was no impediment; it was a really wonderful ride.




  Conclusion
it was a new level of experience for me and one thing I was actually impressed with was the level of security withdrawing was also smooth so it's actually highly recommended,  and also the connection between the three apps was just impressive the three apps need to be connected to function well.

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- Mixin Messenger

At the beginning of the installation, I experienced problems when I found Mixin Messenger not available for my region (Indonesia), luckily I was able to try downloading the apk which was available directly from the mixin site, and it went very smoothly when I tried to register the cellphone number that I listed, and amazingly it didn't there's a problem in the process of sending the verification code sent to my number, I am very impressed, because sometimes we find that there's often a delay in entering the verification code sent to the mobile number in other applications or similar, so this is a very good initial experience, especially for new users who want to try the experience of using this application. And what's more, when ordered to enter 6 pin codes, we were ordered to enter them several times and advised to remember and record them (of course in a safe place), so this really ensures the security of our account in the future.


Even so, I hope the team must find a solution to the problem I experienced regarding the unavailability of the application, especially for the Indonesian region, because we know that Indonesia is one of the largest cryptocurrency adopters in the world.

I also tried to setup the Mixin Messenger Desktop application, the login process is very easy, just by scanning, and giving access by entering a 6-digit Passcode in the Mixin Messenger application on mobile, and that will give access to login to the Mixin Messenger Desktop application.


- Authorization on the Mobile Application before successfully logging in to the Desktop application.


- Login to Mixin Messenger Desktop successfully.

- Mornin Key

Then I tried to install the Mornin Key application, and it turned out that this application isn't free to download directly from Playstore, and has a price of about one dollar, fortunately the Mixin site provides the apk for free, very impressive when the team tries to make it easier for users to try use the application. Registration is relatively easy, because I only need to enter the desired Username, then enter a 6-digit passcode to secure the account. After that, I was amazed when I was immediately told to back up the Mnemonic Phrase. This really helps users because we sometimes forget or are in a hurry. so it really gives a good influence for the future when experiencing unwanted things.

- Mixin Safe

The login setup process in Mixin Safe is very easy, just by using the scan feature on the Mixin Messenger application, then agreeing to the Authorization Request on the Mixin Messenger application.


After I did the installation and registration on the Mixin Messenger application, I was very impressed with the initial appearance which was very user-friendly, for example, it was easy for me to understand the Wallet section, the Hidden Assets feature, checking the Hidden Assets feature, and Dapps that are connected by the Connected Dapps feature. Likewise with the Mornin Key Application, the Scan feature makes it very easy to connect to Mixin Safe accounts, all of them have features that are very easy to understand, what I highlight is the Scan feature, because the Scan feature makes it very easy for users to access. And also the main thing for me is the Messenger Mixin Display which is very pleasing to the eye, and also with the Light/Dark feature it can make it easier for us to set the look as we like.

Meanwhile, the Mixin Safe login only requires authorization from the Mixin Messenger application, and for each transaction process requires authorization from the Mornin Key application (which I use) for the security of the user's account, and it really provides the best security for users. And I really like the availability of using other tools to create Mixin Safe, like Ledger, Bitcoin Core CLI, which are all very secure, even though there were issues with Ledger a while ago.


For the Transaction process, I will divide it into 3 processes, namely Deposit Transactions for the Upgrade Plan, Deposit Transactions in the Safe, Withdrawal Transactions:

1. Deposit Transactions for the Upgrade Plan

I tried to create Mixin Safe, and then it cost me about 2$ to do the Upgrade Plan for testing, and I sent the fee through my personal wallet, uniquely when I have made a shipment and still need confirmation, Mixin Safe immediately got Txid and did repeated checks (refresh) on the Mixin Safe browser to get Confirmation News quickly, and this is very impressive when Mixin Safe just gets the Txid without us sending it, again this makes it very easy for users.


And what's more, when I deliberately overpaid the amount of payment to upgrade, I got a notification from Mixin Safe that I had overpaid, so I could make a refund, it's impressive to know this, because if we accidentally make a large enough overpayment, we can be greatly helped by the notification and assistance for this Refund. But I don't really understand how to use the Refund Code because there's no information on how to use it on that tab (picture below), I think we can use the refund code when making transfers and pasting the Refund Code in the Memo column.


After Successfully getting information that Payment Success. We can immediately create a Mixin Safe account, and of course another authorization is needed from the Mornin Key application for security reasons, of course.


After successfully creating Mixin Safe, I immediately found that My Safe was "Active". But when I checked the "Recovery" tab, I experienced something that confused me when I found that my status was "Expired", I think this is an error, there needs to be improvement in development in this section. Even if it's not an error, I think it needs further notification on the tab, here's what it looks like:


2. Deposit Transactions in the Safe

- After my Safe is active, then I tried to make a deposit:



- And the deposit transaction process runs smoothly after going through the confirmation stage.

3. Withdrawal Transactions

Next, I made a withdrawal from my Mixin Safe to my Personal Wallet, and it also went smoothly when initially it required authorization via the Mixin Messenger application by doing a very easy scan, and then required authorization to approve the transaction via Mornin Key, then I'm left with waiting until the transaction process has been sent, naturally when this process requires authorization and approval for our security, and then just waiting for network confirmation to arrive at the withdrawal destination wallet. Here is an example of the final process:


- Waiting for Transaction Hash, with Status "Completed"


- Status Confirmed, after getting Transaction Hash.

Here's a proof of successful final Withdrawal Process to My Personal wallet.



I feel safe and comfortable using Mixin's services, such as using Mixin Messenger ( especially for the Mixin Safe Service that give information for all transactions by giving the notifications on mobile) , Mixin Safe, also with the Mornin Key. So far, regarding the display, it is quite satisfying when there's nothing to confuse the existing features, regarding the transaction process everything went smoothly and felt very safe when using it with the security provided. However, according to my review, the thing that needs to be fixed is the unavailability of this application in the Indonesian region, I think maybe some other countries have also experienced something like this, and this needs attention for the Mixin team for a comfortable user experience, especially for new users. Likewise with the "Expired" status that I experienced, I think there needs to be an improvement for this or you can inform the user about it so that there's no user misunderstanding.

Bitcointalk Username: Wapfika
Subject: Mixin Safe Review

I use Android Phone and Laptop on the process of downloading all necessary apps required to create the safe. I use the scan method to sign in or approve all the transaction that makes the whole process very smooth.


Mixin Messenger


I start my review by downloading the Mixin Messenger on the Playstore since that's the number one requirements to sign in the Mixin Safe website to create safe. The application is very quick to download and install. It only took less than 1 minute just to finish the installation.

I register using my personal number and I manage to create an account quickly because the verification code was received instantly which is impressive because some service like this usually have delay on providing sms code to my country.


The messenger interface is very simple and looks like a telegram app. It's very responsive and the best part is it provides a notification through the mixin system bot on anything that happened to all the website you connected the wallet apps. It even gives me an update on the process when I'm creating the mixin safe and transactions including deposit and transfers as shown on the image below.


What I really like on the Mixin messenger is the crypto wallet because it supports many currency and different blockchain. It has a feature too to know easily what's the top loser and gainer crypto currency that is very helpful on deciding what to buy or sell. Lastly, The ability to customize themes for the background is the highlight to my experience on this wallet because Mixin messenger gives you freedom on socializing, keep safe crypto assets and modify your UI through themes.


Mornin Key

Same with Mixin Messenger, I download this application on the playstore but it requires me to pay ~1$ before I can install the app, The app is very simple to use because it just a typical wallet that use to generate keys. I don't explore much this account because I only use this to create safe and use as owner of the safe/Approving transaction on safe. The application scan is responsive which makes the process very smooth when I'm using it.

Mixin Safe

After I setup both Mixin Messenger and Mornin Key account. I go to https://safe.mixin.zone/ and head over to the safe. The first thing I saw is the dashboard, It was plain and simple yet it display all the info needed for the safe. It includes a graph showing the amount and when it was deposited to the safe to easily track all the transactions happening on the safe.


I create the safe using the instruction on the right side. Every step is very is to understand because all the info including the estimated waiting time is included per steps that helps relax on each process when the screen is loading because I knew that it's normal to wait unlike if that info is not available that might push user to panic.

I use Mornin Key to scan the code to become owner of the safe and Mixin messenger app as member. I use only a 1 threshold setup because I don't know anyone that I can trust using same apps. After I finish all the setup, I pay the fees for subscribing the basic plan because that's the only way you can have 1 safe. I pay using Bitcoin and the safe was active the moment my Bitcoin payment received 1 confirmation.



Right After my safe was created and active. I immediately deposit bitcoin to my safe. Mempool is very busy that time so it took my deposit more than 12hrs to receive but that is due to Bitcoin blockchain network.

I withdraw my funds after waiting for my deposit arrives and it surprises me that withdrawal has no transaction fee. I check the TXID of my withdrawal on blockchain, Mixin safe is using high priority transaction fee for withdrawal which is really amazing since there's no fee charge to my withdrawal. I receive the exact amount of my balance to my receiving address. Everything is very smooth from account creation to withdrawal balance from safe.


Suggestion:

-Add a plan to add 1 safe because the premium plan is the 2 safe. The old safe is already useless once all the party involved is already part ways. It's either make the safe reusable for different member involved or add a feature to purchase 1 more safe.

-Ability to delete old safe because it can mistaken to be use for depositing even though all the members involved is already not available that will result to funds loss.

-Add Save Wallet Address feature, This wallet will have pre-approval to all members so that It  will not requires approval of all the party to send balance on address that everyone trusted. This is useful to those people who keep sending balance on same address with different time frame

Bitcointalk Username: Iroh

Mixin safe review.


Mixin messenger application.

I had first downloaded and installed the Mixin messenger on my mobile device. The installation process was pretty smooth and it downloaded and installed wig very little time.
Upon launching the app, it prompted me to register with a phone number. That didn’t go down so well with me as I would have greatly preferred an email address to register with.  I filled in my phone number and got the verification code almost immediately to finish my registration.

Registration over, I was greeted by a message from Team Mixin, a support bot. I was then quickly went through the guidelines.


Creating a wallet on Mixin messenger app.

It was pretty easy and straightforward.
Using a 6 digit pin, I created my wallet. I had to confirm the pin about 4 times. I think many might find this exhausting but I thought it was okay and it emphasized how important the pin was.

The wallet supports a wide variety of coins and I choose bitcoin as my preferred coin to test with.
Using the wallet for the very first time, I was advised to test with a small negligible amount for my first deposit. I deposited said small amount in bitcoin and it got credited to my wallet after 3 confirmations. I like the fact that your pending deposit would be shown awaiting the minimum 3 confirmations needed to credit to your wallet.

Adding contacts on the Mixin messenger.

I think it’s pretty obvious your contacts should have and also be registered on the app. You would need either their phone number used during registration or their Mixin ID to add that person to your contacts.
Sending coins to your contacts is really easy. I think the app might see a lot more users as people could converse with each other as well as sending and receiving money.


Mornin key download and installation

The app wasn’t free for download on the App Store as it was sold for approximately a dollar($0.99). I got past that by downloading the APK file of the app and later installed it on my device.

After installation, I launched it and registered. Registration was pretty easy and uncomplicated. It’s basically an app that helps safely secure your multiple accounts and passwords.
During the setup, you would be required to write down and save your seed phrase given to you for backup purposes.


Creating a new safe.

This process involves going onto the website as I had initially thought this would also have either a mobile or desktop app.
Carefully following the process on creating a new safe, I scanned a QR code from my Mornin key app and was granted authorization. I was then signed in. I was asked to add a contact.

On creating a new safe, I clicked on new safe, named my safe and chose a network for my safe.
Going forward, it required an upgrade to my plan for me to complete the creation of the safe. Choosing and paying $2 for a year on the standard plan using crypto, I could then proceed to finish the creation of my safe.

Depositing coins to my Mixin safe didn’t take much time before I was notified and the coins credited.
Being touted as a safe, the process of withdrawing funds from your wallet is pretty secure.
You would need the approval of the owners as well as the member by scanning a code generated from the Mixin messenger app and the Mornin key app.

After the approvals, I was able to successfully withdraw.