Topic: Charlie Shrem is scammer, watch out - page 16. (Read 32864 times)

don't call this thread pointless, it is worth 50 btc to me

and please add another bolt to your statement,
a time limit on all this,


 because, what if price goes up and you end up not being able to earn or buy enough btc on the market ?

This thread is getting pointless, please stop adding fuel to the Fire.

Whatever the issue was in the past, it's not worth talking about.

Threads don't "sink" nor does social pressure. If I scam you, you come right back here because I promised to pay and it would look worse if I don't.

You will be paid in full, I've alredy started. If I was going to scam you I would not even be responding here or I would argue with you.

I'm not arguing, so let's both relax be professional and adults.

- Charlie

it should have already been paid, long ago, that is what this thread is all about

Maybe you should just both agree to a date by which all owed funds should be paid. It seems to me you agreed to partial payment for stock with the rest to be paid as he sold them. It seems your mistake was agreeing to an arrangement you didn't like in retrospect. Perhaps you two can set a date by which all funds must be paid. This way there is no confusion from anyone if the agreement is complete or not.

the idea is to defuse social pressure and heat with time,
to let this thread sink,
and to not pay in full after all


the btc are still not coming in, title of the thread gets heavier as time passes...

you shall know them by their deeds ?

This.Oh the irony here. Maybe he is LE trying to trip up Charlie again. I wouldn't trust him

Responded to your PM.

My apologies, didn't notice the edit.

Rawted, he can't send it in BTC. 

I have sent a PM requesting BTC payout if possible. You'll save on Fedex fees, I'll save on converting it back to BTC.

Fair enough. Thank you for your input. I hope you two resolve the issue.

No apology needed, you are trying to get money owed to you and thats understandable.

a) yes, I can FedEx you a check anytime.
b) You can, but like KingOfSports said, the most you will get from a judge is the $360 refund, which is why I offered it to save you the time.


This is exactly accurate. Although I was trying to say it nicer myself.

That misunderstanding is still the same shit as right here. He made a mistake, I offer to pay his $250 in BTC at anytime he wishes for him to put it behind him. If BTC reaches $125 a coin I will send the 2 BTC he argues owed to his addy within 24 hours. He is not going to hit the jackpot off an unagreed deal and his mistake. Again, as there was no agreement I argue I owe nothing.

Like you, his stubbornness blinds him from reality, either $250 or $0, there is no convincing otherwise.

I'll care about what you say once you take care of your debt to BigBitz.

Fuck your stubbornness and accept the fact that you either get $360 or $0 here. Its called bad debt, should've been written off months ago. Charlie is not the person who owes you, it is bitinstant ENTITY that owes which consists of many owners. Charlie did not personally harm you and just like in a court system the CEO of a company is not the one sued here, its the company in general. Either take the $360 or hold your vendetta/stubbornness and walk away with $0. I find it honorable Charlie would offer to pay you $360 as he personally owes you NOTHING.

As the company was doing illegal activity you won't be able to get a judge to give you anything except the $360 you paid AT MOST. Thus, this is your best option here.

My apologies for making you post that, I didn't know about your bail conditions.

You may not remember, but you forwarded me onto a female support agent via PM because of my post on that thread sometime in april of 2013.

Again, I appreciate your offer, but I will need to think on this.

Just to confirm my choices are:

a) $360 refund from you directly
b) wait until the terms of your conditions run out and we pursue it for my full amount (if so, how long is that?)

Thanks for your message.

I was able to know the amount and who you are because after you posted this I searched "Rawted" in my gmail search and only 1 email came up. I also know it was $360 because that was the amount you told me, so I am going by your word.

There are many places where your order could have failed, and Im sorry for the length of time it has taken to resolve this. ZipZap may have not paid us for your order, or it could have failed. Bitcoins were never purchased for this order. If there was, we would have had the coins to give you

I was only apprised to this situation when once I got your email on Feb 17th 2014. Up until that point, I had no idea of this situation.

The day I got your email, I copied my partner and said (you have this email as well)


All ZipZap will do is confirm this order exists in their system and that you paid.

From then on, I have no way to check the BitInstant system of what happened to your order.

This is why Im offering to give you a full refund.

Edit: I'm not even legally allowed to send you Bitcoin as a refund, as that constitutes money transmission which I'm guilty of. I can only refund you in the way you paid which is why I offered to FedEx a bank check.

I can appreciate the fact that you're no longer involved with BI. I can totally appreciate the amount you have had to pay out of your pocket to clear up issues. My problem is that I started this support request through you/your company back when you were in charge of it all. You know exactly who I am, as you just emailed me right away after I posted. If you notice the email you replied to was sent March of 2014. That's 7 months since you last replied to me about this.  You even knew the exact amount (360). Why did it have to get to this?

I'm torn as I realize you have no control over BI assets anymore, but I feel like my situation is different (due to the length of time I have been in contact about this, and the hoops I've been forced through), and that I have been more then patient enough. The offer of $360 is commendable, but again, I bought bitcoins with that money - I didn't place it in a no-interest savings plan for 18 months. I am honestly not happy at all with that appeasement. I appreciate you responding, and honestly attempting to resolve this (which I would like as well), but this is not fair, imo.

I have removed  the negative from your profile while we work towards an amicable solution, and thank you for stepping up.

EDIT: The email you just replied to from feb 2014 even has the order ID, event details, store, and location sent from in it. Would it be worth trying to get a hold of zipzap again about this?

Rawted,

This was a BitInstant matter, not one of me personally. I've done my best to refund every customer, paying thousands out of my own pocket.

I sent you an email and I am offering again here to fully refund the $360 you deposited that day.

You have my email, as we were in conversation, feel free to email me an address where to mail the check.

I will overnight a FedEx check to you today if you email me your address right now.

-Charlie

Edit: I just sent you an email offering a full refund.

He claims BitInstant owes him money from about a year ago. Anyone who was owed money I personally paid them (even though the company closed and Im not personally liable). He never emailed me any deposit slips or anything I can cross reference, only an order number that I can't even check.