[CHESS] FIDE Candidates Chess Tournament 2022 - page 15.

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Quote from: babygun on July 29, 2022, 11:27:03 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on July 28, 2022, 09:52:41 AM

If an old champion has no motivation to defend his title, then he is weak. Like it or not, but the motivation and will to be the best for many years is one of the parameters that determine the strongest players. Carlsen gave up the title and the fight for the vacant seat is interesting by definition.
In addition, we can assume that the level of contenders for the title is approximately the same, so we will see a sharp fight and not the dominance of one side, as in previous matches.

I wouldn't call Carlsen weak but it is indeed interesting that he vacated his title. In his mind, he has nothing to prove anymore as he is already a 5 time world champion and one of the greatest chess players of all time.
I hope that he can reach the impossible 2900 elo level as that would be some accomplishment!

There is some motivation dip when you continue the same winning streak for years and now he don't want to defend the the world title for it.In one interview he also said that if Alireza would win this competition he would defend the title but now he has made up his mind not to do so.There could be some other reasons also but for me is master of endgame and have well strategy for the game.

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Since the Candidates Tournament has already ended, but it is not yet known whether Magnus will take part in the title match, I propose a new vote with the same question )
So far, I have not seen betting options on this topic anywhere, but if someone sees it, please give a link here in the thread. I think that some bookmakers can take bets on this event.

This is a very slow thread -shows that a very few people now have interest in chess.
However I have heard that Jews are very particular about teaching their kids chess - because that makes their mind very active and strong and along side they are very good in calculations and mathematics.

Are you in a hurry somewhere? Chess remains one of the most popular games among all age groups and is also suitable for betting (see previous topic). If for some reason you are not interested, you can pass by. However, I understand why you write your messages and I regret that I did not make this topic self-moderated.

Chess is by far the game more books have been written about through all history, so even if it is nowhere near as popular as many other hobbies and games we see today the fact that chess has been around for thousands of years in several different forms should speak about its staying power and how popular it has been through the ages, and not only that chess is a game that improves memory, deduction and logical thinking so unlike other games chess is in fact good for you and it even offers health benefits like the delaying of degenerative mental diseases.

Yes, the truth is that chess represents a lot, besides, the one who is good at chess is probably very good in many sports, because he uses his brain very well, and if we start to see things from another perspective, even in boxing he you have to put a lot of strategy into it, and those who are very strategic and intelligent can beat the most cunning boxers, and this is something that many do not see, some believe that it is only strength, chess helps to develop a series of talents, but chess itself requires a lot of effort and produces a lot of fatigue, I would really like to see a world championship that is more and more famous.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on July 28, 2022, 09:52:41 AM

If an old champion has no motivation to defend his title, then he is weak. Like it or not, but the motivation and will to be the best for many years is one of the parameters that determine the strongest players. Carlsen gave up the title and the fight for the vacant seat is interesting by definition.
In addition, we can assume that the level of contenders for the title is approximately the same, so we will see a sharp fight and not the dominance of one side, as in previous matches.

I wouldn't call Carlsen weak but it is indeed interesting that he vacated his title. In his mind, he has nothing to prove anymore as he is already a 5 time world champion and one of the greatest chess players of all time.
I hope that he can reach the impossible 2900 elo level as that would be some accomplishment!

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Quote from: Boristhecat on July 28, 2022, 09:52:41 AM

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Will it really be so exciting without Magnus? I doubt it and I also think that the public will see the person who becomes the new world champion as "weak" as Carlsen didn't play in it. I followed the last couple of championships mainly because of Carlsen, to see if he could retain his title, but will probably only follow from a far distance next year when the world championship will start.

If an old champion has no motivation to defend his title, then he is weak. Like it or not, but the motivation and will to be the best for many years is one of the parameters that determine the strongest players. Carlsen gave up the title and the fight for the vacant seat is interesting by definition.
In addition, we can assume that the level of contenders for the title is approximately the same, so we will see a sharp fight and not the dominance of one side, as in previous matches.

lol, the internet judges
we have no idea what are the challenges in the guys life, 1 million things could be happening on his personal life and he already proved he's the best... what's the big deal on taking a break now and then?

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Quote from: babygun on July 27, 2022, 09:15:19 AM

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This exciting event (a match without Magnus) will have to wait almost a year, rather sad.
By the way, I just now noticed that Nakamura, having lost to Ding Liren, lost not only the second place, but even the third, and now if someone from the Nepomniachtchi - Liren pair cannot/refuse to play, then Nakamura still has no chance.

Will it really be so exciting without Magnus? I doubt it and I also think that the public will see the person who becomes the new world champion as "weak" as Carlsen didn't play in it. I followed the last couple of championships mainly because of Carlsen, to see if he could retain his title, but will probably only follow from a far distance next year when the world championship will start.

Of course. The termination of domination and the subsequent division of the inheritance is always interesting. In addition, if you are interested in betting, then this match will be just expanse for betting - usually 90% of games end in a draw at this level, so you can come up with a lot of "sure" multibets here. I don't think that Nepomniachtchi will be as emotionally affected as in the game with Magnus.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on July 28, 2022, 09:52:41 AM

Quote from: babygun on July 27, 2022, 09:15:19 AM

Will it really be so exciting without Magnus? I doubt it and I also think that the public will see the person who becomes the new world champion as "weak" as Carlsen didn't play in it. I followed the last couple of championships mainly because of Carlsen, to see if he could retain his title, but will probably only follow from a far distance next year when the world championship will start.

If an old champion has no motivation to defend his title, then he is weak. Like it or not, but the motivation and will to be the best for many years is one of the parameters that determine the strongest players. Carlsen gave up the title and the fight for the vacant seat is interesting by definition.
In addition, we can assume that the level of contenders for the title is approximately the same, so we will see a sharp fight and not the dominance of one side, as in previous matches.

I Agree with this mate, you are right once a old champion don't have a motivation then a big chance of loss are there. Once a person has no motivation it's will satisfied in small values and in chess once a player don't have a motivation there's a chance that player is a lock of focused during the game and if that's will happen then th3 victory of his opponent is weaving. If a player who has motivation focus and determination is in there so victory will follow.

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Quote from: babygun on July 27, 2022, 09:15:19 AM

Will it really be so exciting without Magnus? I doubt it and I also think that the public will see the person who becomes the new world champion as "weak" as Carlsen didn't play in it. I followed the last couple of championships mainly because of Carlsen, to see if he could retain his title, but will probably only follow from a far distance next year when the world championship will start.

If an old champion has no motivation to defend his title, then he is weak. Like it or not, but the motivation and will to be the best for many years is one of the parameters that determine the strongest players. Carlsen gave up the title and the fight for the vacant seat is interesting by definition.
In addition, we can assume that the level of contenders for the title is approximately the same, so we will see a sharp fight and not the dominance of one side, as in previous matches.

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Will it really be so exciting without Magnus? I doubt it and I also think that the public will see the person who becomes the new world champion as "weak" as Carlsen didn't play in it. I followed the last couple of championships mainly because of Carlsen, to see if he could retain his title, but will probably only follow from a far distance next year when the world championship will start.

let's see if Magnus gets excited about playing again after we have the results of this tournament
could happen!

it'll be good to him to take a break and rest a bit too

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 27, 2022, 08:21:04 AM

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The match for the title of world chess champion between the Russian Ian Nepomniachtchi and the Chinese Ding Liren will take place in the spring of 2023.

Emil Sutovsky, Director General of the International Chess Federation, spoke about this. In one of the social networks, he said that this fight is scheduled for April-May 2023.

If one of the participants decides to decline to fight for the world title, he will be replaced by a grandmaster who has placed third in the Candidates Tournament. This is the representative of Azerbaijan Teymur Rajabov.

https://eprimefeed.com/latest-news/nepomniachtchi-and-liren-will-play-for-world-chess-crown-in-spring-2023-kxan-36-daily-news/143356/

This exciting event (a match without Magnus) will have to wait almost a year, rather sad.
By the way, I just now noticed that Nakamura, having lost to Ding Liren, lost not only the second place, but even the third, and now if someone from the Nepomniachtchi - Liren pair cannot/refuse to play, then Nakamura still has no chance.

Will it really be so exciting without Magnus? I doubt it and I also think that the public will see the person who becomes the new world champion as "weak" as Carlsen didn't play in it. I followed the last couple of championships mainly because of Carlsen, to see if he could retain his title, but will probably only follow from a far distance next year when the world championship will start.

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The match for the title of world chess champion between the Russian Ian Nepomniachtchi and the Chinese Ding Liren will take place in the spring of 2023.

Emil Sutovsky, Director General of the International Chess Federation, spoke about this. In one of the social networks, he said that this fight is scheduled for April-May 2023.

If one of the participants decides to decline to fight for the world title, he will be replaced by a grandmaster who has placed third in the Candidates Tournament. This is the representative of Azerbaijan Teymur Rajabov.

https://eprimefeed.com/latest-news/nepomniachtchi-and-liren-will-play-for-world-chess-crown-in-spring-2023-kxan-36-daily-news/143356/

This exciting event (a match without Magnus) will have to wait almost a year, rather sad.
By the way, I just now noticed that Nakamura, having lost to Ding Liren, lost not only the second place, but even the third, and now if someone from the Nepomniachtchi - Liren pair cannot/refuse to play, then Nakamura still has no chance.

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many things from here but I'll focus on the last part

I think endings are even more important than openings
you can get along well using the same opening on each game so you'd just need to know a good opening for whites and a good one for blacks
but endings can vary a lot from game to game, way more important imo

Wow yes, you're right, the truth is when I learned to play chess I always focused on dominating from the beginning, and never played defensively and that's how it was since I was little, I never changed my style of play, in fact everything changed when I entered the university and I went to the chess club where there were many experts and I thought I had a high level, but the truth is that they made me feel like I was still a child, I had to play a lot and put in a lot of time on my part to at least make them play in trouble, but where they always beat me was in the endings, they had a lot of experience in endings, and then I realized that they bought the magazines, they put the endings and between more than 10 people they analyzed the final moves, and it was really very difficult to follow the sequence, because I think they could easily anticipate 5 moves, I've lost that a bit, I can barely anticipate 2 or 3, concentration is everything.

yes! endings are really important, I find it hard to anticipate 4 to 5 moves to but feels like it's something that comes with time, depending on the situation I can do it but some are more complex

going strong at start if you have a material advantage sometimes work, then exchanging lots of pieces.

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Quote from: STT on July 01, 2022, 03:23:54 PM

Chess always had good reputation, its just recently it got a bit more popular and been recognized by another generation.

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Carlsen said last year that he would not defend the title unless Aliza Firouzja was the challenger.

Only Firouzja is a worthy opponent or somehow he finds that potential game less tiresome from an opponent who will be good practice to beat? Must be nice to be so successful you can decline games as not worth your bother Cheesy

I guess I can understand the preference for more interesting challenges and some people are better to spar against then others whose moves are blunt, slightly arrogant attitude but he's earnt that.

Nakaumura streams games on twitch I think, he would be refused I know Carlsen has played casually vs some relatively minor twitch streams

Chess got a lot more popular due to the pandemic. Gaming and eSports as well took off during the pandemic as there werent much things to do indoors that to find new hobbies online. Online chess and Chess streaming was one of it. Firouzja had a really really bad candidates tournament. It was his first (As far as I know) and maybe because of the nerves, he just couldnt live up to his potential. I had higher hopes from Fabiano Caruana and he could have been a contender for the title but he didn't expect Magnus to not play for the title and while he was trailing by 0.5 points. He started taking big risks and played aggressively. Since he thought he had to win the candidates instead of being top2(which he most likely would have been, if played safer). Anyways, there's always next year.

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Chess always had good reputation, its just recently it got a bit more popular and been recognized by another generation.
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I wonder how much the Netflix series "Queen's gambit" affected chess' reputation
we know media can shape the culture in really interesting (and sometimes bad ways), in this case it probably affected it but not sure if we can measure how much and in which countries.

Well yes, the series is clearly good, at least I thought it was good, and it makes it clear that the great chess masters who for me are on another level are the Russians, I feel that in the film they focused well on chess, not her genius, but also how important chess is, and that it always takes several to be able to analyze the moves, at one point I thought that those who shared the moves and analysis at that time were the Americans and that those who they did not, it was the Russians, but in the series they focused on the opposite. For me it gave me many things to understand, and with respect to the level of each person, blitz and long games are always good, each person can become specific and expert in what they like the most.I would have to study the endings a lot.

many things from here but I'll focus on the last part

I think endings are even more important than openings
you can get along well using the same opening on each game so you'd just need to know a good opening for whites and a good one for blacks
but endings can vary a lot from game to game, way more important imo

Wow yes, you're right, the truth is when I learned to play chess I always focused on dominating from the beginning, and never played defensively and that's how it was since I was little, I never changed my style of play, in fact everything changed when I entered the university and I went to the chess club where there were many experts and I thought I had a high level, but the truth is that they made me feel like I was still a child, I had to play a lot and put in a lot of time on my part to at least make them play in trouble, but where they always beat me was in the endings, they had a lot of experience in endings, and then I realized that they bought the magazines, they put the endings and between more than 10 people they analyzed the final moves, and it was really very difficult to follow the sequence, because I think they could easily anticipate 5 moves, I've lost that a bit, I can barely anticipate 2 or 3, concentration is everything.

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Carlsen was very good at a young age. I can still remember that when he was 13 years old (something like that) he played a game against Kasparov in the world championship. He almost won the first match against Kasparov, who eventually ended in a draw. In the 2nd match, Kasparov won and advanced to the next round. Carlsen's comment "I played in the 2nd game as a kid" was appreciated by journalists because of his age Grin

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Has anyone has watched "Queen Gambit" this is a beautiful Netflix series on the chess and shows how the person has gone from zero to hero and this needs dedication- strong will and hard work.
A must watch if you are chess lover.

yes, we talked a lot about how good Queen's Gambit is on the last post, before moving to this one
it's a great series

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It's also starting to get a bit boring for Carlsen, to be honest. He no longer has the motivation to recharge and go full for the world title. He has been world champion many times and if you take the rating list, he is also ahead of a cartload of points. His only motivation seems to be to break through the magical 2900 barrier once, apart from that he has already won everything there is to win. Firouzja is seen as the new world champion, but as long as Carlsen plays chess it will be difficult. That boy is already 2nd or 3rd in the world rankings. And he's 20 I think.

Magnus is 31 years old
he was born in 1990
went to look because I was curious about it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Carlsen

a lot of information on his wikipedia page
the guy is a monster, he's been playing for decades now
he's built different.

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It's also starting to get a bit boring for Carlsen, to be honest. He no longer has the motivation to recharge and go full for the world title. He has been world champion many times and if you take the rating list, he is also ahead of a cartload of points. His only motivation seems to be to break through the magical 2900 barrier once, apart from that he has already won everything there is to win. Firouzja is seen as the new world champion, but as long as Carlsen plays chess it will be difficult. That boy is already 2nd or 3rd in the world rankings. And he's 20 I think.

I understand how boring it is for Carlsen, he really doesn't have enough opponents to remain committed to keeping the title of world champion.
It would be a shame to see him give up and give the title to any other player at a lower level.

Unlike other sports, chess does not have a lot of diversity in the way it is played other than changes in the use of the watch, which could create new challenges for Carlsen to challenge himself.

What is happening to Carlsen is something very common, many people need a rival to push them forward so they can reach their maximum potential, on tennis we had Federer vs Nadal, on the NFL we had Brady vs Manning and even on the game of chess the rivalry between Kasparov vs Karpov was legendary, Carlsen lacks that, he is so ahead the rest he does not see the point anymore and it is because of this his motivation is lacking.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on July 24, 2022, 06:49:50 PM

He is only seeing Firouzja to be the only opponent who would make him join again the Championship match.
But according to below article, he won't be defending his title in 2023.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/world-champion-chess-player-says-he-wont-defend-title

But he will still play in tournaments but won't play in championships.
Maybe, he deserves a break and wants to just enjoy the game without much pressure.

Has anyone has watched "Queen Gambit" this is a beautiful Netflix series on the chess and shows how the person has gone from zero to hero and this needs dedication- strong will and hard work.
A must watch if you are chess lover.

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Quote from: alegotardo on July 24, 2022, 04:14:36 PM

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It's also starting to get a bit boring for Carlsen, to be honest. He no longer has the motivation to recharge and go full for the world title. He has been world champion many times and if you take the rating list, he is also ahead of a cartload of points. His only motivation seems to be to break through the magical 2900 barrier once, apart from that he has already won everything there is to win. Firouzja is seen as the new world champion, but as long as Carlsen plays chess it will be difficult. That boy is already 2nd or 3rd in the world rankings. And he's 20 I think.

I understand how boring it is for Carlsen, he really doesn't have enough opponents to remain committed to keeping the title of world champion.
It would be a shame to see him give up and give the title to any other player at a lower level.

Unlike other sports, chess does not have a lot of diversity in the way it is played other than changes in the use of the watch, which could create new challenges for Carlsen to challenge himself.

He is only seeing Firouzja to be the only opponent who would make him join again the Championship match.
But according to below article, he won't be defending his title in 2023.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/world-champion-chess-player-says-he-wont-defend-title

But he will still play in tournaments but won't play in championships.
Maybe, he deserves a break and wants to just enjoy the game without much pressure.

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Quote from: alegotardo on July 24, 2022, 04:14:36 PM

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It's also starting to get a bit boring for Carlsen, to be honest. He no longer has the motivation to recharge and go full for the world title. He has been world champion many times and if you take the rating list, he is also ahead of a cartload of points. His only motivation seems to be to break through the magical 2900 barrier once, apart from that he has already won everything there is to win. Firouzja is seen as the new world champion, but as long as Carlsen plays chess it will be difficult. That boy is already 2nd or 3rd in the world rankings. And he's 20 I think.

I understand how boring it is for Carlsen, he really doesn't have enough opponents to remain committed to keeping the title of world champion.
It would be a shame to see him give up and give the title to any other player at a lower level.

Unlike other sports, chess does not have a lot of diversity in the way it is played other than changes in the use of the watch, which could create new challenges for Carlsen to challenge himself.

I agree sometime the chess becomes very boring game to watch - that is one of the reasons people are not much interested in watching a still game
On the other hand they like football, soccer or rugby or basketball which is more thrilling and helps in adrenaline gush

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on July 24, 2022, 04:00:59 PM

It's also starting to get a bit boring for Carlsen, to be honest. He no longer has the motivation to recharge and go full for the world title. He has been world champion many times and if you take the rating list, he is also ahead of a cartload of points. His only motivation seems to be to break through the magical 2900 barrier once, apart from that he has already won everything there is to win. Firouzja is seen as the new world champion, but as long as Carlsen plays chess it will be difficult. That boy is already 2nd or 3rd in the world rankings. And he's 20 I think.

I understand how boring it is for Carlsen, he really doesn't have enough opponents to remain committed to keeping the title of world champion.
It would be a shame to see him give up and give the title to any other player at a lower level.

Unlike other sports, chess does not have a lot of diversity in the way it is played other than changes in the use of the watch, which could create new challenges for Carlsen to challenge himself.

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