Topic: [CHESS] FIDE Candidates Chess Tournament 2022 - page 11. (Read 3233 times)

and nobody is suing him for cheating? in the end

the system is quite crazy, would expect at least something from FIDE, I don't know

too much drama.
how do you all think this will end?

Right, not favoring anyone, but this could drag his name and if he lost this one, for sure, it will put a dent on him playing chess for sure.


I agree that it will took a toll on his already worsening position in the community. But I guess he just wanted to put everything to rest and this is the right course. Nevertheless, there are proof and this could be used in the court to magnify his allege "cheating".

Or let's put it this way, if Niemann wants to prove his innocence and that he is not a cheater.


He probably just balloon that amount to put some intimidation on Magnus, but I highly doubt the court will give in to that demand money of his. And I guess the burden is on his side to prove his innocence. As for Magnus, there are fellow GM that are showing some in Youtube and on print that something is not right. And Niemann had admitted in the past that he has cheated isn't it? So there is already a precedence and for sure this will weight in the court of law.

definitely bold to try to sue probably being on the wrong side

somehow reminds me of the Rayder case against BAYC, the guy is obviously a copycat but still used the lawsuit as a way to gain publicity and exposure.
people do some crazy things for clout.

I think that this would be a very difficult case for Niemann if he wants to prove that a defamation case does exist.

Again, $100 million is a lot of money and Carlsen would definitely hire lawyers who would prove against the idea that Niemann raised. I am also baffled on what Niemann is asking- he is considered a cheater due to participating into online tournament with the use of engines on his side. Given this fact, I do think that the case he filed would be against him- which is worsening his position and futility.

I have no idea what the laws are like in the USA, but according to what I have been hearing that they do not let any type of event of this kind escape, for me when there are frauds of this style, punishing them for life is usually something quite severe, but I think it is well deserved, scams and everything that involves stealing or taking things from others is something that has to be punished so that the person feels ashamed of what they did and others learn that they want or intend to do the same, depending on how They say it here, so it is likely that if someone very influential in the US political system could make something like this happen?


It really surprises me that this is put into context here, I had always heard things about cheating in other sports, but in chess? this is something that is sometimes difficult to believe, but it is totally believable, now it surprises me that people who know so much have to resort to this type of practice, this chess thing has many followers, it has many fans, it is also a sport for intelligent people, and what they show here has no intelligence at all, so what example do they give? why do they do it? As long as there is an easy but murky path, it will never give good news, it seems to me that these things should never happen.

And so this is the official documents filed by Niemann for a defamation case against Magnus, Chess.com and GM Hikaru Nakamura. It's it has a lot of zeroes, hehehe, $100 million.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.moed.198608/gov.uscourts.moed.198608.1.0.pdf

I don't know how far this case will go, nevertheless and if I'm not mistaken, this is the first time that we have heard this kind of noise in the chess industry. And so the drama continues and we will see what "proof" Carlsen and Chess.com will produce in front of the court for their cheating allegations.

well, you have a point
seems like the two cases are different as you mentioned
maybe all it takes is someone to get worried with what Niemann is doing and deciding to sue him

I haven't seen this movie but I've heard about it. I would not draw analogies, since everything is more or less simple here - Niemann has US citizenship Chess.com also works in US jurisdiction. It would be cool if some independent prosecutor started an investigation against him and filed charges. There are enough reasons for this: he appropriated other people's money using other people's trust - this fully fits the criminal article of fraud, even though there is no criminal punishment for cheating. But the court can qualify any action as it sees fit (based on the opinions of experts, of course).

have you watched "tinder swindler"?
sometimes it's hard to put people in prison in some cases of fraud
crazy system

not sure if this applies to the case in question with Nieman
maybe not

on the movie the guy can't really be punished because he does a lot of international scams and fool the women to pay and take loans for him, since "psychological pressure and emotional manipulation" are not crimes he doesn't go to jail.

What list are you talking about? I haven't seen anything like it. Chess.com has openly named only two GMs who have been caught consistently cheating - Niemann and his former coach Dlugi.

As for the sanctions, I think that it should be a lifetime ban in all competitions. And in fact, I consider this a lenient punishment, since Nieman is obviously a scammer and took other people's money through fraud. I don’t understand why he can’t be put in jail like other scammers?

What do you think should be the proper sanction given that Niemann participated in various tournaments where he cheated and won the cash prizes? I do think that we need to see a statement from the camp of Magnus about this allegation. It is has been dragging the Chess scene for a while now and it is not definitely helping in terms of its popularity amongst people.

Given that Chess.com posted a list of GMs who cheated on their website, a rule must be implemented prohibiting/punishing these players, and not Niemann alone.

shows the big crisis of values we are going through @LUCKMCFLY

regarding humans and machines
interesting point of view
possibly our skill on improvisation and outside of box thinking are the things that would be really hard for a machine to develop

That is actually very disturbing for what we are used to seeing, reaching victory through an easy path full of traps is not something worthy, of course this from the most loyal point of view of the sport and above all respect for all chess players of the world, I know that robots, programs are very advanced and have most of the moves recorded, they can even give solutions based on what is most logical for them, but I think that a human in his thinking is still superior to a bot, because the human being still continues to give many solutions by going out and breaking every scheme, breaking every apparent logic, and that is a very human characteristic.

oh, that sucks Boristhecat
and I understand how frustrating it can be

though when it comes to law there's presumption of innocence, so I'm really not sure what could be done in a situation like that.

The data shows that Niemann began to cheat long before covid. As for the ban, the paradox is that the online competitions in which he cheated were not held under the auspices of FIDE, and there is no evidence (there is no direct evidence, there are indirect ones, but this is not enough for "legal" actions) that he cheated over the board.
Thus the swindler and thief (who was caught and admitted it) continues to participate in FIDE competitions. I am simply shocked by this nonsense and impotence of FIDE officials.
To be fair, we should admit that FIDE behaved this way towards cheaters for a long time - they catch only the most impudent ones who don't even try to hide. For example, Rasius, about whom absolutely everyone knew that he was a cheater, but he cheated for several years without any problems despite the complaints of his rivals.

do you know how?
just curious but anyone can start a rumor
when explaining it things start to take a different shape

are players allowed to take breaks to go to the bathroom on these huge games?

Cheating in chess. this is a surprise!, really!

I think the real question is is this cheating in Chess new or have they evolved, well, whoever reads a bit of history and reads some of the most memorable games of at least the last 100 years you can find countless tricks that are done in chess to have an advantage, some are embarrassing, covered by a certain bureaucracy of the game that prevents them from being called cheats.

Now, reading the level of technology involved or what are believed to be used, so amazing! well, these are the most astute people on the planet, anyway, the controversy is something that has surrounded the world championships and the world champions in the history of this sport.

In short, if Niemann lies, only time from now on will prove him right, because if he is so good, he should be constant to win, so the current world champion who is "crying" and rightfully so, only has to face him, he achieved goal to expose it publicly, now that chess dictates who is the best... no traps.

Chess is the like by the people all around the world.As the people interest was huge,their was the World Championship for chess also.Carlson was my opinion to win the game,surely I will vote for the Carlson.If the win is based on the voting.But the voting is considered on the draw match.So you think the game will be draw between this two big players.And you had involved the the Chess.com.I had played huge game in that website,it was unique chess website and it had applications for even IPAD.The game and website will be created to increase the popularity about that game.When the game was famous all over the world already,they will create a application for the same.Aliza was the good players with huge strategy,when you are beginner.You should see the old matches of Aliza to know whom he is.You can also guide the less knowledge people .

There are many rumors that a chess player has cheated on the world champion Magnus Carlsen. That incident happened in the winter last year, I think. After that they played against each other online again and then Carlsen stopped the game after 1 move. That is going to get a tail, I think an official investigation has now also been launched into these parties of the German player. Chess cheating is a big deal, and you can't always close it all the way for all players. I hope Firouzja will be the new challenger to Carlsen, other opponents don't stand a chance as we saw last year.