[CHESS] FIDE Candidates Chess Tournament 2022 - page 17.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 04, 2022, 09:03:21 AM

Quote from: STT on July 01, 2022, 04:23:54 PM

Chess always had good reputation, its just recently it got a bit more popular and been recognized by another generation.
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I wonder how much the Netflix series "Queen's gambit" affected chess' reputation
we know media can shape the culture in really interesting (and sometimes bad ways), in this case it probably affected it but not sure if we can measure how much and in which countries.

Well yes, the series is clearly good, at least I thought it was good, and it makes it clear that the great chess masters who for me are on another level are the Russians, I feel that in the film they focused well on chess, not her genius, but also how important chess is, and that it always takes several to be able to analyze the moves, at one point I thought that those who shared the moves and analysis at that time were the Americans and that those who they did not, it was the Russians, but in the series they focused on the opposite. For me it gave me many things to understand, and with respect to the level of each person, blitz and long games are always good, each person can become specific and expert in what they like the most.I would have to study the endings a lot.

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regarding betting, it would only make sense on championships, right?
I mean, I wouldn't really play chess for money, unless it's totally for fun, because it's so unpredictable if you'll be able to win or not since it's a game that relies a lot on skill and practice

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Quote from: sovie on July 11, 2022, 09:31:43 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on July 11, 2022, 08:52:59 AM

Since the Candidates Tournament has already ended, but it is not yet known whether Magnus will take part in the title match, I propose a new vote with the same question )
So far, I have not seen betting options on this topic anywhere, but if someone sees it, please give a link here in the thread. I think that some bookmakers can take bets on this event.

This is a very slow thread -shows that a very few people now have interest in chess.
However I have heard that Jews are very particular about teaching their kids chess - because that makes their mind very active and strong and along side they are very good in calculations and mathematics.

Are you in a hurry somewhere? Chess remains one of the most popular games among all age groups and is also suitable for betting (see previous topic). If for some reason you are not interested, you can pass by. However, I understand why you write your messages and I regret that I did not make this topic self-moderated.

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Quote from: sovie on July 11, 2022, 09:31:43 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on July 11, 2022, 08:52:59 AM

Since the Candidates Tournament has already ended, but it is not yet known whether Magnus will take part in the title match, I propose a new vote with the same question )
So far, I have not seen betting options on this topic anywhere, but if someone sees it, please give a link here in the thread. I think that some bookmakers can take bets on this event.

This is a very slow thread -shows that a very few people now have interest in chess.
However I have heard that Jews are very particular about teaching their kids chess - because that makes their mind very active and strong and along side they are very good in calculations and mathematics.

for sure chess threads are slower than other gambling topics, but we're like slow and steady
there's always new people coming and commenting
and sometimes we have cool discussions on techniques and ways to improve in game too

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Quote from: Boristhecat on July 11, 2022, 08:52:59 AM

Since the Candidates Tournament has already ended, but it is not yet known whether Magnus will take part in the title match, I propose a new vote with the same question )
So far, I have not seen betting options on this topic anywhere, but if someone sees it, please give a link here in the thread. I think that some bookmakers can take bets on this event.

This is a very slow thread -shows that a very few people now have interest in chess.
However I have heard that Jews are very particular about teaching their kids chess - because that makes their mind very active and strong and along side they are very good in calculations and mathematics.

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Since the Candidates Tournament has already ended, but it is not yet known whether Magnus will take part in the title match, I propose a new vote with the same question )
So far, I have not seen betting options on this topic anywhere, but if someone sees it, please give a link here in the thread. I think that some bookmakers can take bets on this event.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 05, 2022, 11:53:33 AM

maybe it wasn't that much, but would be nice to look at the data

it was the series that really motivated me to learn more about chess theory and technique and to play more often
same thing for some of my friends

but would love to check online chess websites number of users over time to try to see if there are any correlations

I have learnt a very important lesson from Queen Gambit. And that is you fight your own battle be it your personal life, professional life.
And money is crazy thing - it makes relationship stones hearted and you lose them when you lose money.

Not a bad idea to separate friends from money Roll Eyes

the series has some details about money and all but imo is not really about it
way more about the main character fight over herself and improvement trajectory

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Quote from: South Park on July 08, 2022, 08:51:02 PM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on July 06, 2022, 06:53:23 PM

So this year's candidates, Nepo actually won again and he will be facing Magnus for the 2nd time! What are your thoughts on this?

I see that on the chess community, a lot of people are upset that Nepo won. Maybe this is due to the fact that they wanted to see a new opponent facing Magnus since Nepo got destroyed last year after he crumbled from his loss on Game 6 of their match on 2020 WCC. Do you guys think that Magnus will participate in this year's candidates despite him telling not to?

Not many people are happy that he won as we remember what happened last year, but at the same time if he took this as a learning experience then we could see a match that is way closer than last year, but now everything is going to depend on whether Magnus is willing to defend his crown or not, after all we must remember that Magnus is a human and maybe he has gotten bored of not getting a real challenger to which he could show everything that he has, while odd it would not be the first time at the sport world in which something like this happened, MJ retired from basketball temporarily and played baseball, Tyson Fury has also claimed he wanted to retire and all of this before the unification fight we all want to see, so I could see Magnus retiring for a time but then coming back some years later.

This is the only forum on Chess. Earlier there was another forum and from there I got to know about Queen Gambit and have learned so many important lessons of life. Such an amazing Netflix series. If you are chess lover.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on July 06, 2022, 06:53:23 PM

So this year's candidates, Nepo actually won again and he will be facing Magnus for the 2nd time! What are your thoughts on this?

I see that on the chess community, a lot of people are upset that Nepo won. Maybe this is due to the fact that they wanted to see a new opponent facing Magnus since Nepo got destroyed last year after he crumbled from his loss on Game 6 of their match on 2020 WCC. Do you guys think that Magnus will participate in this year's candidates despite him telling not to?

Not many people are happy that he won as we remember what happened last year, but at the same time if he took this as a learning experience then we could see a match that is way closer than last year, but now everything is going to depend on whether Magnus is willing to defend his crown or not, after all we must remember that Magnus is a human and maybe he has gotten bored of not getting a real challenger to which he could show everything that he has, while odd it would not be the first time at the sport world in which something like this happened, MJ retired from basketball temporarily and played baseball, Tyson Fury has also claimed he wanted to retire and all of this before the unification fight we all want to see, so I could see Magnus retiring for a time but then coming back some years later.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 05, 2022, 11:53:33 AM

maybe it wasn't that much, but would be nice to look at the data

it was the series that really motivated me to learn more about chess theory and technique and to play more often
same thing for some of my friends

but would love to check online chess websites number of users over time to try to see if there are any correlations

I have learnt a very important lesson from Queen Gambit. And that is you fight your own battle be it your personal life, professional life.
And money is crazy thing - it makes relationship stones hearted and you lose them when you lose money.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on July 06, 2022, 06:53:23 PM

So this year's candidates, Nepo actually won again and he will be facing Magnus for the 2nd time! What are your thoughts on this?

I see that on the chess community, a lot of people are upset that Nepo won. Maybe this is due to the fact that they wanted to see a new opponent facing Magnus since Nepo got destroyed last year after he crumbled from his loss on Game 6 of their match on 2020 WCC. Do you guys think that Magnus will participate in this year's candidates despite him telling not to?

I have no idea on how Magnus think so I think we'll have to wait to see if he will participate
but nice for Nepo to have a second chance.
let's see.

what do you think?

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Quote from: Boristhecat on July 07, 2022, 07:36:27 AM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on July 06, 2022, 06:53:23 PM

So this year's candidates, Nepo actually won again and he will be facing Magnus for the 2nd time! What are your thoughts on this?

I see that on the chess community, a lot of people are upset that Nepo won. Maybe this is due to the fact that they wanted to see a new opponent facing Magnus since Nepo got destroyed last year after he crumbled from his loss on Game 6 of their match on 2020 WCC. Do you guys think that Magnus will participate in this year's candidates despite him telling not to?

Magnus is still avoiding answering the question of whether he will defend the title, so it is unclear who Nepomniachtchi will play against. As far as I understand this issue should be resolved by the end of July.
As for the results of the tournament, in my opinion, the biggest disappointment among the public was the defeat of Nakamura in the last round, which allowed Ding Liren to take second place and qualify for the championship match if Magnus refuses. Nakamura is extremely popular both on the internet and just in chess, so this event was a big pain for many.

I was also upset on that loss of Nakamura, but you have to admit that Ding played extremely well against Nakamura. As the dude mentioned on his match analysis on his loss against Ding, he never thought that the guy will use the crazy lines that doesn't seem to fit the current position of the pieces but is the correct answer. Ding was inside Nakamura's mind the whole time, which forced Hikaru to break from his intended play style and adapt with the continuous pressure Ding has been applying.

Should Magnus decides to decline to defend the title (which I know he wouldn't), I'd be rooting for Ding, simply because he thinks fast and can adapt to any form of attack thus far. Nepo is a great player but I also want Ding to get that world title for himself.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on July 06, 2022, 06:53:23 PM

So this year's candidates, Nepo actually won again and he will be facing Magnus for the 2nd time! What are your thoughts on this?

I see that on the chess community, a lot of people are upset that Nepo won. Maybe this is due to the fact that they wanted to see a new opponent facing Magnus since Nepo got destroyed last year after he crumbled from his loss on Game 6 of their match on 2020 WCC. Do you guys think that Magnus will participate in this year's candidates despite him telling not to?

Magnus is still avoiding answering the question of whether he will defend the title, so it is unclear who Nepomniachtchi will play against. As far as I understand this issue should be resolved by the end of July.
As for the results of the tournament, in my opinion, the biggest disappointment among the public was the defeat of Nakamura in the last round, which allowed Ding Liren to take second place and qualify for the championship match if Magnus refuses. Nakamura is extremely popular both on the internet and just in chess, so this event was a big pain for many.

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Quote from: MonsterV on July 01, 2022, 04:53:31 PM

The concept still remains extremely curious. The current world champion in classic chess, Magnus Carlsen, does not have to complete any qualifying series and basically only has to play a final against the challenger who wins this tournament. Firouzja started the tournament very badly and basically eliminated himself with that. The notable name I'm missing from this tournament is Anish Giri. Actually, it should be a normal formula, just like playing football. Protective status is ridiculous.

The champion is the biggest draw.

His name is the one, people come to see. He draws the largest crowds. Giving the competition the most authenticity and legitimacy.

And so they make efforts to give him an advantage in the game.

The same thing happens in boxing where names like Canelo are protected and given advantages in judging.

It also happens in MMA to an extent. Where the champion in past japanese Pride tournaments would know who they would be fighting. While their opponent would not know until the last second who their opponent would be.

It could be considered logistics or statistics, moreso than unfairness to some extent.

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So this year's candidates, Nepo actually won again and he will be facing Magnus for the 2nd time! What are your thoughts on this?

I see that on the chess community, a lot of people are upset that Nepo won. Maybe this is due to the fact that they wanted to see a new opponent facing Magnus since Nepo got destroyed last year after he crumbled from his loss on Game 6 of their match on 2020 WCC. Do you guys think that Magnus will participate in this year's candidates despite him telling not to?

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Quote from: Cryptock on July 04, 2022, 01:15:15 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 04, 2022, 09:03:21 AM

Quote from: STT on July 01, 2022, 04:23:54 PM

Chess always had good reputation, its just recently it got a bit more popular and been recognized by another generation.
<..>

I wonder how much the Netflix series "Queen's gambit" affected chess' reputation
we know media can shape the culture in really interesting (and sometimes bad ways), in this case it probably affected it but not sure if we can measure how much and in which countries.

Queen Gambit is a fine series and in another forum there was so much discussion made on it.
I don't think chess has been affected by the series it came recently but it is good to see how kids can choose a good line and stick to it.

maybe it wasn't that much, but would be nice to look at the data

it was the series that really motivated me to learn more about chess theory and technique and to play more often
same thing for some of my friends

but would love to check online chess websites number of users over time to try to see if there are any correlations

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on July 04, 2022, 09:03:21 AM

Quote from: STT on July 01, 2022, 04:23:54 PM

Chess always had good reputation, its just recently it got a bit more popular and been recognized by another generation.
<..>

I wonder how much the Netflix series "Queen's gambit" affected chess' reputation
we know media can shape the culture in really interesting (and sometimes bad ways), in this case it probably affected it but not sure if we can measure how much and in which countries.

Queen Gambit is a fine series and in another forum there was so much discussion made on it.
I don't think chess has been affected by the series it came recently but it is good to see how kids can choose a good line and stick to it.

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Quote from: STT on July 01, 2022, 04:23:54 PM

Chess always had good reputation, its just recently it got a bit more popular and been recognized by another generation.
<..>

I wonder how much the Netflix series "Queen's gambit" affected chess' reputation
we know media can shape the culture in really interesting (and sometimes bad ways), in this case it probably affected it but not sure if we can measure how much and in which countries.

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Quote from: South Park on June 30, 2022, 11:11:43 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on June 30, 2022, 12:55:05 PM

Nepomniachtchi has just beaten Firuja for the second time and I would say that the tournament has already ended ahead of schedule (although given the behavior of Magnus, the importance of second place cannot be denied).
If Nepomniachtchi scores 1.5 points in the remaining three games, then this will be an absolute record - at the moment, the record is 9 points.

2 months ago I read an article in which Carlsen stated that it was unlikely he will play against the winner of the candidate tournament and at the time he did not even mention Firouzja at all, so unless he goes through a change of heart then most likely we are not going to see Carlsen defend his title at all, however if that is the case then there is still interest in the candidate tournament as there is only a distance of half a point between Ding and Nakamura.

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Nepomniachtchi plays against Rapport with White, has a better position and the advantage of two bishops. Given that he is satisfied with a draw today, he will become the official winner of the tournament.

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Ding is on fire lately. Alireza is playing new lines, and Nakamura is, IMO, not entirely prepared based on how he develops his pieces. Nepomniachtchi also amazes me with how he handles his end game fairly recently. Ding, Alireza, and Nakamura are my top 3 contenders in this tournament, not so much about Nepo although he's been playing a stellar chess in his recent matches. I hope Magnus accepts the challenge, and let us, the viewers, see some more tricks hidden up these GM's sleeves when facing the world champion.

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