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but do you think Magnus will stop playing at all?
he'll probably come back to competing OTB again in some years
no shame in taking a break for a couple years if he keeps studying.
Of course he'll come back. OTB chess is as essential and substantial to Carlsen as breathing. He'll be nothing without it. He knows that much and is probably making some sort of strat to maximize his comebacks. His games against Niemann took a toll on his mental, regardless if Hans cheated or not, so this buffer of his is important in order to remain sharp and deadly in chess. Going back though, I think it'll be best for him to publicize himself more by streaming his online games, disguising it as live chess tutorials so people become more aware of the game.
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There's no need to be upset
but do you think Magnus will stop playing at all?
he'll probably come back to competing OTB again in some years
no shame in taking a break for a couple years if he keeps studying.
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What are your thoughts on his retirement for over-the-board chess for one (1) year? He mentioned in an interview that he will not be active for a year BUT he will continue to participate in online tournaments.

let the man rest
he's young and deserves to live life

I think he has great chances of coming back to OTB tournaments in the future but at this point he doesn't need to prove anything to anyone.
he could take some rest, travel, whatever and come back in 1, 2 or 5 years.
maybe at this point there'll be another player his level.

if he do that then we can not force him not to do that but one thing I assure. If he gonna play online tournament then I think there's a big reason why he choose that I think once he play online he can focus his family and do what he want to do. But if he want to rest and do anything what he want and came back next 2 years then I think he can do it again and win all he need is he must practice inorder to forgot.
He does have the power to choose whether or not he is to play chess OTB and afaik he did attend the games where he bagged the crown and reclaimed his throne. But going back to the subject, Unlike Kasparov who has already cemented himself in the ranks of the Gods, Magnus, and Hikaru for that matter still has more to prove to the people and to their fellow GMs. These two are still in their prime and has probably haven't reached their peak yet, so it only makes sense for Magnus to play more OTB as much as possible. Earning reputation and public acclaim with every win he will bag.
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What are your thoughts on his retirement for over-the-board chess for one (1) year? He mentioned in an interview that he will not be active for a year BUT he will continue to participate in online tournaments.

let the man rest
he's young and deserves to live life

I think he has great chances of coming back to OTB tournaments in the future but at this point he doesn't need to prove anything to anyone.
he could take some rest, travel, whatever and come back in 1, 2 or 5 years.
maybe at this point there'll be another player his level.

if he do that then we can not force him not to do that but one thing I assure. If he gonna play online tournament then I think there's a big reason why he choose that I think once he play online he can focus his family and do what he want to do. But if he want to rest and do anything what he want and came back next 2 years then I think he can do it again and win all he need is he must practice inorder to forgot.
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There's no need to be upset
What are your thoughts on his retirement for over-the-board chess for one (1) year? He mentioned in an interview that he will not be active for a year BUT he will continue to participate in online tournaments.

let the man rest
he's young and deserves to live life

I think he has great chances of coming back to OTB tournaments in the future but at this point he doesn't need to prove anything to anyone.
he could take some rest, travel, whatever and come back in 1, 2 or 5 years.
maybe at this point there'll be another player his level.
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What are your thoughts on Magnus winning the three (3) coveted titles- Rapid, Blitz, and Classical Championships? I guess it pretty much sums up that he is indeed the GOAT of chess ever since the retirement of Kasparov. He won Rapid and Blitz respectively for three times now. He has indeed cemented himself as the best chess player to ever walk this Earth!

There's really not much to say about Magnus winning these world championships. We all know by now that this man is legendary in all things chess. I guess it will take a few years before he is bested by someone else. Nepo, Nakamura, and So are some of the players that I have in mind which can better Magnus one of these days, most especially So because Magnus acknowledged the guy's ability to turn a losing position to a very favorable one a few times now.

We're lucky to witness one of the greats of chess in the flesh. And while he may be the world champion, there are a lot of things that he does that a lot of normal people can relate, which is why this dude is a champion in all respects.

What are your thoughts on his retirement for over-the-board chess for one (1) year? He mentioned in an interview that he will not be active for a year BUT he will continue to participate in online tournaments.

Guess it's a shame that he no longer wants OTB tournaments, and I get him because online tournaments are a lot easier to hold, and tournament bodies can issue laptops/computers that are literally airgapped and connected only to one secure server for tournament proceeds. The issue of cheating in OTB tournaments has always been there, and it only made headlines because of the recent allegations against GM Hans Niemann. Lots of GMs have shared their experiences with OTB tournaments and the same theme can be extracted from each one of the testimonials: lack of actual security on the players themselves which can help facilitate cheating through small devices inserted in clothing or even the player's body themselves.
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What are your thoughts on Magnus winning the three (3) coveted titles- Rapid, Blitz, and Classical Championships? I guess it pretty much sums up that he is indeed the GOAT of chess ever since the retirement of Kasparov. He won Rapid and Blitz respectively for three times now. He has indeed cemented himself as the best chess player to ever walk this Earth!

What are your thoughts on his retirement for over-the-board chess for one (1) year? He mentioned in an interview that he will not be active for a year BUT he will continue to participate in online tournaments.
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do you know if this tournament will be available online for people to check?
would be interesting to follow the games or at least check the PGNs on lichess
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Looks like it's been held around Christmas for a few years now. Strange choice, but maybe otherwise it is quite difficult with the planning of the tournament calendar. You also have tournaments and competitions throughout the year in which all the top players participate. Calrsen always seems to me to be the favorite for every tournament he enters, but last year we saw that the competition is huge. Nakamura is also very good and fast at speed chess. He also won the mini match against Carlsen yesterday for some kind of championship. Last year's talent who became World Champion came from Kazakhstan, I wonder if you can also bet on these games.
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The world championships in speed chess and rapid will be held in Kazakhstan next week. Not known to many people, but almost the entire world top will participate in this. Last year it was a surprise that Carlse was unable to win both parts, and then a young talent from Uzbekistan won. There is a live stream throughout the day with commentary from very strong chess players such as Peter Svidler. Carlsen will still be looking for revenge after his disappointment last week. There is also a separate section for women.

What a strange date to still hold this tournament, just before Christmas and New Year's Eve? Chess is of course a very free and independent profession, which is the advantage. I don't know who the favorites are to win this tournament, but what I have read is that Carlsen is in conflict with certain organizations. He demonstratively gave up against a German player some time ago, because he suspected him of cheating. It has become very discredited and the reputation of the player from Germany has been seriously damaged.

it's a weird date for a big tournament, indeed

I find that speed chess and normal chess are almost like two totally different games
the skills needed to beat on each are quite different too

Thank you very much for this information- but yea, I do agree that they held this tournament in a very weird date. In between Christmas and New Year where most people are busy, I hope it gains traction on the viewers as most would be very occupied at this time.

Speed chess and normal chess are two different worlds apart. In speed chess, not only do you have to recognize pattern in the openings but you must also based your move mostly on instincts as time is of the essence in this game format. In normal chess, it is more of tactics and technique where you should be playing 90-99% of the top moves in order to garner that advantage over your opponent.
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There's no need to be upset
The world championships in speed chess and rapid will be held in Kazakhstan next week. Not known to many people, but almost the entire world top will participate in this. Last year it was a surprise that Carlse was unable to win both parts, and then a young talent from Uzbekistan won. There is a live stream throughout the day with commentary from very strong chess players such as Peter Svidler. Carlsen will still be looking for revenge after his disappointment last week. There is also a separate section for women.

What a strange date to still hold this tournament, just before Christmas and New Year's Eve? Chess is of course a very free and independent profession, which is the advantage. I don't know who the favorites are to win this tournament, but what I have read is that Carlsen is in conflict with certain organizations. He demonstratively gave up against a German player some time ago, because he suspected him of cheating. It has become very discredited and the reputation of the player from Germany has been seriously damaged.

it's a weird date for a big tournament, indeed

I find that speed chess and normal chess are almost like two totally different games
the skills needed to beat on each are quite different too
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The world championships in speed chess and rapid will be held in Kazakhstan next week. Not known to many people, but almost the entire world top will participate in this. Last year it was a surprise that Carlse was unable to win both parts, and then a young talent from Uzbekistan won. There is a live stream throughout the day with commentary from very strong chess players such as Peter Svidler. Carlsen will still be looking for revenge after his disappointment last week. There is also a separate section for women.

What a strange date to still hold this tournament, just before Christmas and New Year's Eve? Chess is of course a very free and independent profession, which is the advantage. I don't know who the favorites are to win this tournament, but what I have read is that Carlsen is in conflict with certain organizations. He demonstratively gave up against a German player some time ago, because he suspected him of cheating. It has become very discredited and the reputation of the player from Germany has been seriously damaged.
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The world championships in speed chess and rapid will be held in Kazakhstan next week. Not known to many people, but almost the entire world top will participate in this. Last year it was a surprise that Carlse was unable to win both parts, and then a young talent from Uzbekistan won. There is a live stream throughout the day with commentary from very strong chess players such as Peter Svidler. Carlsen will still be looking for revenge after his disappointment last week. There is also a separate section for women.
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There's no need to be upset
There is still no 100% evidence that Niemann actually cheated. It may not be necessary to get caught in the red, but the accusation based on computer analysis alone is not watertight enough. People also have to wonder how it could be possible that he cheated? A video shows that an arbitrator scans metal detector Niemann with one hand, and that nothing was found. That means 100% that he had no electronics with him at the time this happened. How could he have cheated? Online cheating may have happened since you don't work with metal detectors there.

These metal detectors cannot detect the presence of an earpiece in the ear (or anywhere else hahaha). You are right that there is no direct evidence that Niemann cheated over the board, but how do you personally feel about a person who has already been caught cheating online? And it happened not once or twice, but more times. From the point of view of ordinary logic and reputation, he is a cheater and it is obvious that few people have the desire to play with him in the conditions that full protection against cheating cannot be provided.

reputation plays a role but it'll be a tough world if we start judging people only for the things they did way back in the past
people can learn and change too
just my two sats here
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There is still no 100% evidence that Niemann actually cheated. It may not be necessary to get caught in the red, but the accusation based on computer analysis alone is not watertight enough. People also have to wonder how it could be possible that he cheated? A video shows that an arbitrator scans metal detector Niemann with one hand, and that nothing was found. That means 100% that he had no electronics with him at the time this happened. How could he have cheated? Online cheating may have happened since you don't work with metal detectors there.

These metal detectors cannot detect the presence of an earpiece in the ear (or anywhere else hahaha). You are right that there is no direct evidence that Niemann cheated over the board, but how do you personally feel about a person who has already been caught cheating online? And it happened not once or twice, but more times. From the point of view of ordinary logic and reputation, he is a cheater and it is obvious that few people have the desire to play with him in the conditions that full protection against cheating cannot be provided.
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There is still no 100% evidence that Niemann actually cheated. It may not be necessary to get caught in the red, but the accusation based on computer analysis alone is not watertight enough. People also have to wonder how it could be possible that he cheated? A video shows that an arbitrator scans metal detector Niemann with one hand, and that nothing was found. That means 100% that he had no electronics with him at the time this happened. How could he have cheated? Online cheating may have happened since you don't work with metal detectors there.

Who knows how exactly he cheated, but I think everyone is somewhat aware it happened.  Anyone who's seen the movie Godfather knows that he probably excused himself to the bathroom where there was obviously a string of anal beads that he inserted into himself...  At least that's what my limited knowledge of the situation and instant judgement leads me to.  I would think if the rumors or allegations weren't true, we'd be hearing from the man himself that they aren't true.  Maybe it's just the media sensationalizing everything and I took it hook line and sinker, but I'm sure I would've seen some sort of honest denial of the event if it happened (the denial).  If it isn't true, someone had one hell of an imagination to come up with this.

To be honest, the issue somehow "died down" a little especially that there are lots of tournaments happening. I am very curious to see as to the case of Niemann when he filed a defamation suit demanding for $100 million dollars for damages in his reputation. Though I am heavily inclined into thinking that the suit would not prosper, I am still looking forward to see the evidence on the camp of Magnus against all the allegations that he did.

With all the evidence that chess.com released (list of cheaters), I think that Niemann would definitely suffer and get the shorter end of the stick. I guess he really had to pay for the consequences of his actions.
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There is still no 100% evidence that Niemann actually cheated. It may not be necessary to get caught in the red, but the accusation based on computer analysis alone is not watertight enough. People also have to wonder how it could be possible that he cheated? A video shows that an arbitrator scans metal detector Niemann with one hand, and that nothing was found. That means 100% that he had no electronics with him at the time this happened. How could he have cheated? Online cheating may have happened since you don't work with metal detectors there.

Who knows how exactly he cheated, but I think everyone is somewhat aware it happened.  Anyone who's seen the movie Godfather knows that he probably excused himself to the bathroom where there was obviously a string of anal beads that he inserted into himself...  At least that's what my limited knowledge of the situation and instant judgement leads me to.  I would think if the rumors or allegations weren't true, we'd be hearing from the man himself that they aren't true.  Maybe it's just the media sensationalizing everything and I took it hook line and sinker, but I'm sure I would've seen some sort of honest denial of the event if it happened (the denial).  If it isn't true, someone had one hell of an imagination to come up with this.
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There is still no 100% evidence that Niemann actually cheated. It may not be necessary to get caught in the red, but the accusation based on computer analysis alone is not watertight enough. People also have to wonder how it could be possible that he cheated? A video shows that an arbitrator scans metal detector Niemann with one hand, and that nothing was found. That means 100% that he had no electronics with him at the time this happened. How could he have cheated? Online cheating may have happened since you don't work with metal detectors there.
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There's no need to be upset
and nobody is suing him for cheating? in the end

the system is quite crazy, would expect at least something from FIDE, I don't know

too much drama.
how do you all think this will end?

So far, only he is filing lawsuits (which have no judicial prospects) just to save face. FIDE has not been active in this issue for all the years of its existence and has acted only to pacify scandals and negativity around chess (one might say on the side of cheaters). Therefore, here you should not expect any activity from them.
I think all this will end up with Niemann not being able to win anything in court, and the top chess community will try to ignore him.
But the question of the future is more interesting - how will it be possible to detect cheaters (and what about mind games in general) when the human brain is combined with external interfaces? These are questions for the near future, and it looks like they will finally kill the games.

oh, these are really interesting questions
possibly with neuralink it'd be the end of chess championships as we know it
or maybe there'll be some kind of way to detect human-computer interfaces (think a metal detector for nano things in the brain)
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and nobody is suing him for cheating? in the end

the system is quite crazy, would expect at least something from FIDE, I don't know

too much drama.
how do you all think this will end?

So far, only he is filing lawsuits (which have no judicial prospects) just to save face. FIDE has not been active in this issue for all the years of its existence and has acted only to pacify scandals and negativity around chess (one might say on the side of cheaters). Therefore, here you should not expect any activity from them.
I think all this will end up with Niemann not being able to win anything in court, and the top chess community will try to ignore him.
But the question of the future is more interesting - how will it be possible to detect cheaters (and what about mind games in general) when the human brain is combined with external interfaces? These are questions for the near future, and it looks like they will finally kill the games.
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