Topic: Chess online? - page 2. (Read 1315 times)

For sure there will be ways of avoiding it so that these abusers will never find a loophole that they can take advantage of. About KYC, I think even there is a kyc, they can still abuse and cheat if they have to if it's going to rake them a huge amount of money. These people really have intention to cheat as long as they get a huge profit from that. But it's true that it could lessen the potential cheating but still, there's still ways for them to find it out if they've been born to be as a cheater. Right now, there are no platforms that can guarantee it and there's no casino yet that's interested of putting this up.

There is no problem in using or programming bots for hobby, testing and learning purposes, but it can't be done in competitive matches that will count for increasing players' classification in a global ranking, or to earn money against others during tournaments.

I don't know how often this kind of thing happens, but from humans, of course you can expect cheating anytime and anywhere. Sometimes it's not even for the money, but for the status, glory and fame.

I doubt that I understood you correctly, but it seems to me that chess is poorly suited for any kind of work with AI. Chess is a game with a finite number of moves and can be completely counted, as happened a long time ago by the way with checkers. It seems to me that real AI will be able to show itself in games where full counting is impossible, for example, in limit poker, bots are already better than people.

Of course you have no choice but to retire and make another life that is not related in chess because even though he was banned for 6 years, there's no chess tournament would be glad to have him even after the 6 year ban and nobody will trust him again in that game.

But after a year, Igors Rausis came back again to a chess tournament using another name but then again not much later he was revealed and was embarrased again for the second time. Can't blame him though because he already poured his life in the chess.
Banned chess cheater makes comeback under alias

Most case scenario especially in the world of chess or other sports, we cannot know a person unless there's a hype on him or a negative tag and in Igors Rausis's case, he was just some random chess grandmaster that have been famous because of cheating in a chess tournament. Sadly for him, his career in this path have ended in a very not nice way.


The incident happened way back 2019 and probably after being caught you'll be forced to retire or something like that. Yes, for sure he'll go far away where he ain't much known while trying to make a living.

Well in the first place cheaters are simply people who are actually testing the computational/processing ability of their program (most of the time anw). I mean, I certainly wouldn't waste time trying to run a program that's pretty intensive (since it tries to simulate most of the possible moves) to win an online match. For testing purposes, it may be possible, but I highly doubt people would do it for the money cause after all, if they were able to test something like that, they'd probably be better off doing something else to make money.

Plus in the first place, I don't think betting and chess go hand in hand? It's why most tourneys at the very least are done personally, or with hand cams and whatnot. Maybe betting as in sports betting, but that's about it imo.

It's hard to prevent cheaters on online chess, at least on short run. But as far as I know, there aren't perfect crimes and sooner or later users using third party services to compete online are going to be busted and have their access to the platforms restricted (at least serious platforms).

I say that because it happened to a very popular youtuber from my country. It was a scandal where he was severely criticized on the internet, being his final attempt to create excuses he wasn't using bots, but having assistance from a "teacher" in real time, instead.

Mechanisms like KYC and forbidding recent created accounts to play competitively could highly weak cheats on this game.

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Agreed, the real play will be against the AI. Large amount of information processing makes the Chess game more of game that doesn't have preset moves. Only after processing the information the move happens. This can be checked, for the same move we do it'll move different coins in different matches. Things could change with time, but incorporating AI is something big it seems.

^ That is why you merely see a gambling platform that hosted a chess game that you can against the house, most of the tournament online was held by the on the place and has a real player and you can see them live. I think there is no way to cheat this kind of game, there is a clock to use in order to have a move faster and how can players cheat for that matter. Chess games were a matter of skills, you should always have an advanced move before touching any of those chessmen over the board.

People have not yet created anything even close to AI. Those AIs that now dominate chess, image recognition, sound recognition, etc. are neural networks i.e. actually large matrices of numbers. There is no consciousness or intelligence here, but only the result of processing large amounts of information.

AFAIK, there's no way to avoid those opponents that you may face if there's gambling on it. They are there to make money and will cheat to have a sure win and get your money as well.
I guess the best way which was suggested in the last pages is about having a dual cam like making it a requirement for those participants, first is with showing them what it looks like whole body and back shot. But if we're going to analyze it, it can still be cheated and they could just give some recording of them sitting there and does show as actual footage and not suspicious video of them just like what we watch in movies.

Human beings did create AI but we know that there are things which cant be beaten up by human brain which it could really be superior on which people do really able to have a hard time on handling it out.
It do really keeps better and better as years passing by and continue to develop(well its a broad topic in regarding with AI).
As for Chess online then there are sites but hindrance on minding about whose your opponent would be always there whether its a bot or an actual person.
So far we arent seeing any platforms do adopts this one.

Cheaters will appear not just to win and indulge their sports ego, but to make money in gambling chees by cheating. The usual implementation of chess, like other games on gambling site, will not be enough and additional means of controlling cheaters will be required. Someone has already talked about cameras, and two.

I think that too many difficulties arise with the control of cheaters, which entails additional costs for the organizers and whether chess will attract a large number of players is also in doubt. The answer to why is below.


Only true chess fans can overcome these 3 obstacles. This will immediately repel beginners and they will better go to play online games like moba or shooters. In general, it seems to me that the number of new chess players is steadily declining with the development of technology and the spread of the Internet. It’s easier for people to play on their phones and scroll through the social media feed. It’s easier for people to play on their phones and scroll through the social media feed.
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In that context, online chess that involves gambling significant amounts isn’t as glamorous as it sounds. It is rather frustrating and losing its mere essence of using one’s skills in analyzing and strategizing movements to win since cheating can be rampant on the said platform. If this what could most likely to happen, I don’t think I would want to drive myself to like online chess gambling.

This is exactly the point that I made earlier in the thread. A computer can even beat the world champion in chess, what chance do normal people have? I also think it is not possible to get caught cheating online chess. Even if you setup a camera, and both players are being filmed, one of the players could have their friend in the background simulating the moves and telling him secretely what to do next.

So gambling on that is a good way to get cheated out of your money.

Just a quick question about chess I'm aware that there are platforms that combine this game with gambling. My question is, how do we prevent cheaters on this? For example, I play chess online while another computer simulates his moves, and what is the best move to counter it. It's a form of cheating because you can counter it in no time by simply watching the moves. This is really dumb because you are not showing your skills but if the money involves then i think there will be person that will cheat so that he will win

Well this has always been one thing that limits us as human beings not being able to beat an artificial intelligence, however when we play online unless it is in a tournament it is something that can frustrate, however there are some pages like the ones I used to play chess21 before, which are very good, they even have a chat where you can interact with your opponent, and since there are several categories in chess, you can play by time, be it 3 minutes, 5 minutes, among others, that is something that each player can define.

A huge respect to your point of view in my suggestion. Yet as what @livingfree already have said, only true players and fans knows the worth and enjoyment chess regardless on what medium it is broadcasted with. Let me breakdown the stereotypes, explain what made those exist, and what really does happen in a mindset of a chess player.

It is true that most of the physical-adopted games tends to have more demand and interest such as basketball or boxing. But with the chess masters streaming chess games and even making their own tournaments on twitch (Hikaru Nakamura and Botez Sisters), chess somewhat became a common game to stream on (look at Twitch - have 2M followers on any chess gamers), even xQC and Moist were addicted to winning it against other streamers. Hence, there are demands, just not on the betting market.. yet.

Well, some really are bored watching people play chess. SOME, but never ALL. Some people even unknowledgeable in chess tends to enjoy it. How do I know? I even watch MINECRAFT streamers stream Chess and their watchers still maintain to be 5K upto 70k+. How was those viewers still watch those if it was boring? Maybe it wasn't. Or in fact, it really wasn't.

Should I still explain why it isn't time consuming? Apparently, chess games and streams are even more watched than other games, how? It really just depends on the players and CASTERS. Casting is such a huge thing in online tournaments. We just really aren't that familiar those exists.

Lastly, it really is surprising to the fact that those things I say is true and exists. Maybe the betting market has standards or maybe they are just waiting for Chess to be a real mainstream game online? We don't know, until it happens.

At least it was busted in the end rather than on keeping that guy on reigning and dominating this game via cheat and now its been busted or known its secrets then it would be simply a
good thing for those who are in next in rank that they could possibly still climb into the ladder knowing that the top of him was a cheater.To those who had beaten up then there's still a chance.
I dont see for Chess to be that effective or be applied on gambling platforms and i do agree in most people sentiments on here.