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I am not sure if adding a reward or betting that is inclined with financial figures could be a good thing when it comes to chess. As stated by the others, if it is a game set in the computer, then cheating is most likely to happen. And I think that real chess players and chess enthusiasts would be dismay if matches would end up being rigged due to aggressive desire to win the monetary reward.

I don't think that chess game is rigged whether set in computer or real live chess game. In fact when chess is played you see everything clear and sometimes you see cluster of people watching and observing the players and waiting for their set. I have not heard people complain of being rigged out in the game or cheated, if you lose you know it that you have lost out.

How many members in the forum have actually played chess during school time or still play chess? The board and chess pieces have always been very appealing to me. If you every played chess what rule do you know to save the game? I hope this is not off topic and would help knowing what the worthy member know about the chess game.

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I am not sure if adding a reward or betting that is inclined with financial figures could be a good thing when it comes to chess. As stated by the others, if it is a game set in the computer, then cheating is most likely to happen. And I think that real chess players and chess enthusiasts would be dismay if matches would end up being rigged due to aggressive desire to win the monetary reward.

I don't think that chess game is rigged whether set in computer or real live chess game. In fact when chess is played you see everything clear and sometimes you see cluster of people watching and observing the players and waiting for their set. I have not heard people complain of being rigged out in the game or cheated, if you lose you know it that you have lost out.

there are detection systems to remove cheaters from chess on computer too
here's a reddit post where an user explains some

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/6qy6kt/how_does_lichess_detect_cheaters/

comparison to databases and ways computers behave is one of the ways

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on March 22, 2022, 07:21:05 AM

I am not sure if adding a reward or betting that is inclined with financial figures could be a good thing when it comes to chess. As stated by the others, if it is a game set in the computer, then cheating is most likely to happen. And I think that real chess players and chess enthusiasts would be dismay if matches would end up being rigged due to aggressive desire to win the monetary reward.

I don't think that chess game is rigged whether set in computer or real live chess game. In fact when chess is played you see everything clear and sometimes you see cluster of people watching and observing the players and waiting for their set. I have not heard people complain of being rigged out in the game or cheated, if you lose you know it that you have lost out.

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The computer can calculate every possible move, its a brute force tactic. I'm glad they can detect and remove people who use that kind of assistance, its really pathetic. It wont be that rare among the general population because some people will aim to cheat at just about any game they possibly can but actual proper chess players I would hope not as would you ever really improve.
Sadly I did hear of a top player recently caught using a computer while taking a rest room break, I'll look for the link

Chess Grandmaster Admits to Cheating by Using Smartphone in Bathroom Stall

This incident happened few years back, and in this case Igors Rausis admitted of using smartphone in bathroom during a tournament. He's the oldest player in the top 100 list of chess players. The chess federation also confirmed the act of computer assisted cheating.

Anything that is done on a non-face-to-face basis would really be always be having that kind of probability or likely to have that cheating which is something that understandable
already.This is why its not surprising that we arent seeing websites that do offer chess online based on what i do observe, if there's one then there's no solid thing that it could
be proven out that we are dealing with real players and not Bots which would really give out that kind of hindrance.

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Several players have been caught cheating in the past. They have used a variety of technologies to cheat. Of course it started with a pocket PDA and then consult an engine in the toilet. Cheaters with a bit more high tech stuff have also been caught. I'm sure there are still a lot of cheaters out there who have not been caught and will not be caught. You need to have a decent level of chess if you don't want to get caught, and understand which moves a good player would make and which moves a computer would make.

I'm lack of knowledge about the history about chess tournaments but knowing that it happens, in every sport there were always those exploitation that's being done by these athletes. Too bad that these have to do it because they probably know that they can't compete.
Why you need to think of being caught? You don't even want to get involve into cheating, the fun and intelligence that's involved in this game is going to be gone if someone thinks of doing it.

This is true. In sports, cheating shouldn't even be an option because the sports like chess is all about strategy, techniques, intelligence, and skills. The competition would be futile if they would even think about cheating when effort should be made, not some sort of tactics to just win, disregarding the process on how to get the winning title and prize.

Nowadays, it really isn't a secret that there are numerous ways to cheat. In almost every platform and games, there are cheats that are being made and sold. However, this just beats the essence. In addition, the cheating ways aren't even guaranteed so why bother. Instead of thinking that way, you can condition your mind and aim for winning by playing neat.

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I am not sure if adding a reward or betting that is inclined with financial figures could be a good thing when it comes to chess. As stated by the others, if it is a game set in the computer, then cheating is most likely to happen. And I think that real chess players and chess enthusiasts would be dismay if matches would end up being rigged due to aggressive desire to win the monetary reward.

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Here is a site where you can sure play chess with another friend that also had an account in it and you can also play with a bot to challenge your self and surely enhance your skill, but this site is only for fun and you can not invest any online money or crypto in it yet and this is the best site I know you can surely play online chess with your friends and other users on that site, well, if you want to have a betting match with another player you can always talk to him a winner takes all gamble and have an escrow to hold on your investments.

Nice share , Had been looking for this for long as I am a Chess lover that also wanted to Play against my friend with crypto related bets and investings.

And also with the Bot available that i can play freely ? then i may be interested in this for now and forget casino sites for a while.

Will share my experiences here sooner as I will create my account now .

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Quote from: STT on March 21, 2022, 06:58:54 PM

The computer can calculate every possible move, its a brute force tactic. I'm glad they can detect and remove people who use that kind of assistance, its really pathetic. It wont be that rare among the general population because some people will aim to cheat at just about any game they possibly can but actual proper chess players I would hope not as would you ever really improve.
Sadly I did hear of a top player recently caught using a computer while taking a rest room break, I'll look for the link

Chess Grandmaster Admits to Cheating by Using Smartphone in Bathroom Stall

This incident happened few years back, and in this case Igors Rausis admitted of using smartphone in bathroom during a tournament. He's the oldest player in the top 100 list of chess players. The chess federation also confirmed the act of computer assisted cheating.

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You can't find anything like that the closest you can get is Chess.com but they don't have a betting feature and you can only play to increase your rank though I find it very nice that many people here do like and know how to play chess out of a lot of sports Chess is the one that considered as sports without a physical activity. Would you think some gambling sites here would add a Chess game and users can invite other users to play Chess and have a bet and winners takes all pot?

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Quote from: Boristhecat on March 21, 2022, 02:54:17 PM

It makes no sense (in serious games and tournaments) because computer analysis quickly reveals the use of third-party programs. Strange as it may seem, the player's chess behavior is very easy to predict, and if he "suddenly" starts to play better than his level, this immediately attracts attention.

But what if the player uses third-party programs from the very beginning? Then the computer will not be able to notice the change in the player's behavior and determine that his level of play has changed. The computer will perceive this as normal chess player behavior.

Quote from: Boristhecat on March 21, 2022, 02:54:17 PM

In addition, if a player plays games as first lines of chess engines, then he automatically receives a ban on almost all chess sites.

This surprises me a little. Chess engine programs are written by people and loaded into it with standard moves, combinations, debuts, that is, everything that was used or is used by chess players. Any average chess player can use one of these options, but this does not mean that he is a cheater and there is no reason to ban him.

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The computer can calculate every possible move, its a brute force tactic. I'm glad they can detect and remove people who use that kind of assistance, its really pathetic. It wont be that rare among the general population because some people will aim to cheat at just about any game they possibly can but actual proper chess players I would hope not as would you ever really improve.
Sadly I did hear of a top player recently caught using a computer while taking a rest room break, I'll look for the link

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-can-grandmasters-cheat-in-online-chess-and-getaway-7257938/

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on March 21, 2022, 03:32:19 PM

Several players have been caught cheating in the past. They have used a variety of technologies to cheat. Of course it started with a pocket PDA and then consult an engine in the toilet. Cheaters with a bit more high tech stuff have also been caught. I'm sure there are still a lot of cheaters out there who have not been caught and will not be caught. You need to have a decent level of chess if you don't want to get caught, and understand which moves a good player would make and which moves a computer would make.

Really?
I played Chess before and kinda forgot how to play the game but I still knew the basics.
Now, what kind of cheat are referring to? Can you please elaborate more in a detailed way how those cheat works in Chess?, Because as far as I know, movements are controlled by the opponent (not unless If your opponent is an AI). There's no way to cheat and read his mind lol.
But, seriously I want to know how cheats works in this kind of game?

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That's basically why I quit online gaming. There's rarely any online game where you fight other players that will not make you nervous. Even games where you play with others against an AI can be frustrating.

I can feel you when I've read what you've said. It's true that even we're just playing against AI makes me frustrated because the higher it gets. The intelligence and strategy of these AI are becoming better and I admit that I can't defeat the higher levels it's funny to think that these are no real people but programmed in a better way to play for the better chess players. But if someone really wants to get a focus on this one, he can be one of the best and it's a good training ground that we have nothing lose.

If you are competing against someone as good as yourself, you will be forced to play at your best. You need to be aware with your moves and set a plan. It takes more than just accumulating chess knowledge, you need to improve your ability to concentrate, your mental endurance, and your emotional control.

Yes, I know. You need to be better than the opponent of yours. But it sucks at first when you're having a losing streak knowing that your opponent is an AI.
I've been there and done that and I couldn't be proud of myself since I'm not even a good chess player but it's also amazing at the same time, that these AI's are really good to be your sparring partner to become a better chess player.

Several players have been caught cheating in the past. They have used a variety of technologies to cheat. Of course it started with a pocket PDA and then consult an engine in the toilet. Cheaters with a bit more high tech stuff have also been caught. I'm sure there are still a lot of cheaters out there who have not been caught and will not be caught. You need to have a decent level of chess if you don't want to get caught, and understand which moves a good player would make and which moves a computer would make.

Well there are advantages and disadvantages in every game and in every field. Chess is the game for mind champion. So they will come up with good plots and keep eyes on all the moves. I am sure the chess players have a different ways of looking at the things. But what is the most used online platform to see how the players keep the game rolling.

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on March 21, 2022, 03:32:19 PM

Several players have been caught cheating in the past. They have used a variety of technologies to cheat. Of course it started with a pocket PDA and then consult an engine in the toilet. Cheaters with a bit more high tech stuff have also been caught. I'm sure there are still a lot of cheaters out there who have not been caught and will not be caught. You need to have a decent level of chess if you don't want to get caught, and understand which moves a good player would make and which moves a computer would make.

I'm lack of knowledge about the history about chess tournaments but knowing that it happens, in every sport there were always those exploitation that's being done by these athletes. Too bad that these have to do it because they probably know that they can't compete.
Why you need to think of being caught? You don't even want to get involve into cheating, the fun and intelligence that's involved in this game is going to be gone if someone thinks of doing it.

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That's basically why I quit online gaming. There's rarely any online game where you fight other players that will not make you nervous. Even games where you play with others against an AI can be frustrating.

I can feel you when I've read what you've said. It's true that even we're just playing against AI makes me frustrated because the higher it gets. The intelligence and strategy of these AI are becoming better and I admit that I can't defeat the higher levels it's funny to think that these are no real people but programmed in a better way to play for the better chess players. But if someone really wants to get a focus on this one, he can be one of the best and it's a good training ground that we have nothing lose.

If you are competing against someone as good as yourself, you will be forced to play at your best. You need to be aware with your moves and set a plan. It takes more than just accumulating chess knowledge, you need to improve your ability to concentrate, your mental endurance, and your emotional control.

Yes, I know. You need to be better than the opponent of yours. But it sucks at first when you're having a losing streak knowing that your opponent is an AI.
I've been there and done that and I couldn't be proud of myself since I'm not even a good chess player but it's also amazing at the same time, that these AI's are really good to be your sparring partner to become a better chess player.

Several players have been caught cheating in the past. They have used a variety of technologies to cheat. Of course it started with a pocket PDA and then consult an engine in the toilet. Cheaters with a bit more high tech stuff have also been caught. I'm sure there are still a lot of cheaters out there who have not been caught and will not be caught. You need to have a decent level of chess if you don't want to get caught, and understand which moves a good player would make and which moves a computer would make.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on March 20, 2022, 03:44:55 PM

That's basically why I quit online gaming. There's rarely any online game where you fight other players that will not make you nervous. Even games where you play with others against an AI can be frustrating.

I can feel you when I've read what you've said. It's true that even we're just playing against AI makes me frustrated because the higher it gets. The intelligence and strategy of these AI are becoming better and I admit that I can't defeat the higher levels it's funny to think that these are no real people but programmed in a better way to play for the better chess players. But if someone really wants to get a focus on this one, he can be one of the best and it's a good training ground that we have nothing lose.

If you are competing against someone as good as yourself, you will be forced to play at your best. You need to be aware with your moves and set a plan. It takes more than just accumulating chess knowledge, you need to improve your ability to concentrate, your mental endurance, and your emotional control.

Yes, I know. You need to be better than the opponent of yours. But it sucks at first when you're having a losing streak knowing that your opponent is an AI.
I've been there and done that and I couldn't be proud of myself since I'm not even a good chess player but it's also amazing at the same time, that these AI's are really good to be your sparring partner to become a better chess player.

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Quote from: joeperry on March 21, 2022, 02:44:09 AM

I would agree with @Wildan a player can use other computer to cheat so it doesn't make sense on having a bet on a Chess game but that would be great if anyone can stop people from cheating (Which is not) for me adding a bet on Chess game could spice up or make the game more intense.

It is possible to have a this kind of game if the player could have a live webcam to them (to see if they are using other computer) and a screen share of their computer just like what they are doing in online chess tournament but that was too much right? Setting up cameras and sharing your screen to others.

In fact, cheating among strong and even average players is practically not used. It makes no sense (in serious games and tournaments) because computer analysis quickly reveals the use of third-party programs. Strange as it may seem, the player's chess behavior is very easy to predict, and if he "suddenly" starts to play better than his level, this immediately attracts attention. In addition, if a player plays games as first lines of chess engines, then he automatically receives a ban on almost all chess sites.

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Quote from: joeperry on March 21, 2022, 02:44:09 AM

I would agree with @Wildan a player can use other computer to cheat so it doesn't make sense on having a bet on a Chess game but that would be great if anyone can stop people from cheating (Which is not) for me adding a bet on Chess game could spice up or make the game more intense.

It is possible to have a this kind of game if the player could have a live webcam to them (to see if they are using other computer) and a screen share of their computer just like what they are doing in online chess tournament but that was too much right? Setting up cameras and sharing your screen to others.

I severely disagree with your first statement.

First, high-level tournaments contain super GMs who does not use any engines at all. While we may argue that they may have the possibility of using so, they are strictly monitored with their respective PCs in order to avoid such cheating. In addition, these super GMs would not want to use any engine as they are the engines themselves. In the event that they actually use one, then they would just put their whole career into jeopardy and waste all of their efforts building their ratings on the ladder.

Again, betting in chess is just as fun as betting into other sports. I just hope that people would see the potential of this sport exploding in the near future.

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Quote from: joeperry on March 21, 2022, 02:44:09 AM

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this reminds me of the article I've read before that there are chess players with titles who use cheat when playing with other chess players online. if someone decides to create gambling that caters to chess where you can bet It would be certain that the site will be plagued with cheaters.

Quote from: joeperry on March 21, 2022, 02:44:09 AM

It is possible to have a this kind of game if the player could have a live webcam to them (to see if they are using other computer) and a screen share of their computer just like what they are doing in online chess tournament but that was too much right? Setting up cameras and sharing your screen to others.

using screen share could be risky since one of the two players could accidentally expose important information while having a screen share.

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Quote from: joeperry on March 21, 2022, 02:44:09 AM

I would agree with @Wildan a player can use other computer to cheat so it doesn't make sense on having a bet on a Chess game but that would be great if anyone can stop people from cheating (Which is not) for me adding a bet on Chess game could spice up or make the game more intense.

It is possible to have a this kind of game if the player could have a live webcam to them (to see if they are using other computer) and a screen share of their computer just like what they are doing in online chess tournament but that was too much right? Setting up cameras and sharing your screen to others.

Yes that could, many monitors already have a camera inside, than you just need 1-2 more to film the PC and keyboard from behind. It's a bit like becoming a professional steamer. For some players this could be a no go, like you can't do on your phone while lying on the couch or at night in bed. Cheating would still be an issue though if stakes are too high. You could have a partner for example who watches the game life and feeds it into a chess computer, giving real time information directly into the earphone of the player. I think most important would be to focus on blitz games, there the games are much faster and less time to manipulate. It will also take a anti cheat software that compares your rank to the way you play. Like if you are winning too many games, or make some very good moves which would indicate a higher rating.

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