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Quote from: stadus on March 24, 2022, 12:55:04 PM

The computer can calculate every possible move, its a brute force tactic. I'm glad they can detect and remove people who use that kind of assistance, its really pathetic. It wont be that rare among the general population because some people will aim to cheat at just about any game they possibly can but actual proper chess players I would hope not as would you ever really improve.
Sadly I did hear of a top player recently caught using a computer while taking a rest room break, I'll look for the link

Chess Grandmaster Admits to Cheating by Using Smartphone in Bathroom Stall

This incident happened few years back, and in this case Igors Rausis admitted of using smartphone in bathroom during a tournament. He's the oldest player in the top 100 list of chess players. The chess federation also confirmed the act of computer assisted cheating.

I'm sure that the news that he is cheating have shocked the other players on the said tournament especially for those who are believing in him or for those who have been defeated by Igors Rausis. Anyway, it seems that it is not the first time he cheated while using a bathroom break, I mean he could've cheated already before he was caught.

It is very sad when someone who should be a respectable figure on a honest and respectable sport with a great tradition of fierce but pacific rivalry takes advantage of the rules to cheat. It is very sad particularly to any rival that is actually dedicating all the time and dedication needed to become better and has to face a cheater.

Perhaps the problem with chess is that computers are better than most humans and they are about to catch the grand masters. Eventually, nobody doubts that humans will loose.

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Well, if you search chess cheater in the internet then you will be getting a lot of recommendations with the same name "Igors Rausis" and his face is literally everywhere after he caught red handed using a phone and tagged as a disgraced chess grandmaster. I wonder if he's fine with that or is he now depressed after that incident because he can't really take out that tag easily and I bet he won't be living the same again.

I don't know that guy.

But, if he's into chess whole of his life and once used it as his career, there's a big chance that he's depressed from the situation that he made himself in.

Although as per data, he's already retired and maybe he has learned already and living somewhere else. Living not anymore related to chess.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on March 24, 2022, 06:58:59 AM

Quote from: stadus on March 24, 2022, 03:46:24 AM

Quote from: MinMan on March 24, 2022, 08:14:17 AM

I'm sure that the news that he is cheating have shocked the other players on the said tournament especially for those who are believing in him or for those who have been defeated by Igors Rausis. Anyway, it seems that it is not the first time he cheated while using a bathroom break, I mean he could've cheated already before he was caught.

Apart from audience - this is a big stain on his career. I am sure he would be repenting so much for what he has done. Fair game is always liked and admired by the audiences. No One would like to have a tag of cheater along with them - even if they are cheating. Have they had focused on the game - he would have done better than focusing on cheating.

Being negatively tagged because of cheating do stain your character and career for good and he will be carrying that until the rest of his life along with the embarrassment he did to himself but I doubt that he is repenting that much because I highly doubt that it was the very first time he cheated on that tournament.

Maybe he was doubted by others because his moves doesn't match to his recent plays.

Unfortunately, once you are tagged as a cheater on chess tournaments, then mostly your career (in online chess) is somehow ruined. Imagine, people reaching the 2000+ rating means that they have at least devoted most of their lives honing their skills. Lots of players, unfortunately, were banned from participating into tournaments because of cheating.

I remember, there was a chess GM who frequently visited restroom breaks during his match and it was subsequently discovered that he was hiding his cellphone on his pocket, checking the engine's recommendation on which is the best move to make.

Well, if you search chess cheater in the internet then you will be getting a lot of recommendations with the same name "Igors Rausis" and his face is literally everywhere after he caught red handed using a phone and tagged as a disgraced chess grandmaster. I wonder if he's fine with that or is he now depressed after that incident because he can't really take out that tag easily and I bet he won't be living the same again.

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The computer can calculate every possible move, its a brute force tactic. I'm glad they can detect and remove people who use that kind of assistance, its really pathetic. It wont be that rare among the general population because some people will aim to cheat at just about any game they possibly can but actual proper chess players I would hope not as would you ever really improve.
Sadly I did hear of a top player recently caught using a computer while taking a rest room break, I'll look for the link

Chess Grandmaster Admits to Cheating by Using Smartphone in Bathroom Stall

This incident happened few years back, and in this case Igors Rausis admitted of using smartphone in bathroom during a tournament. He's the oldest player in the top 100 list of chess players. The chess federation also confirmed the act of computer assisted cheating.

Can't believe that a pro player will do this? But, it can be that they reach the position they have now by using a cheat? and they don't have a natural skill in playing a chess. This is the disadvantage of online chess because they can be easily cheated by using some software.

If there will be a tournament, much better if they do it live or face to face so that all can see the players hands if what moves they are doing. Online chess are only good for casual play or to pass some time and it won't be a big deal if someone will use some software to take advantage of the game. Besides cheating the game is not going to be fun anymore, there is no challenge when you know that you can beat any player.

Every time online gamers especially playing chess game in online is harder cause we all know that a players is a human they will tempt to cheat as it was many software they can use to it. But if a players cheated to win they are also cheated their life cause a true player never cheats.
But those players who will cheat they will not be successful for sure even if you are already a master in your game.

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Quote from: stadus on March 24, 2022, 03:46:24 AM

The computer can calculate every possible move, its a brute force tactic. I'm glad they can detect and remove people who use that kind of assistance, its really pathetic. It wont be that rare among the general population because some people will aim to cheat at just about any game they possibly can but actual proper chess players I would hope not as would you ever really improve.
Sadly I did hear of a top player recently caught using a computer while taking a rest room break, I'll look for the link

Chess Grandmaster Admits to Cheating by Using Smartphone in Bathroom Stall

This incident happened few years back, and in this case Igors Rausis admitted of using smartphone in bathroom during a tournament. He's the oldest player in the top 100 list of chess players. The chess federation also confirmed the act of computer assisted cheating.

Can't believe that a pro player will do this? But, it can be that they reach the position they have now by using a cheat? and they don't have a natural skill in playing a chess. This is the disadvantage of online chess because they can be easily cheated by using some software.

If there will be a tournament, much better if they do it live or face to face so that all can see the players hands if what moves they are doing. Online chess are only good for casual play or to pass some time and it won't be a big deal if someone will use some software to take advantage of the game. Besides cheating the game is not going to be fun anymore, there is no challenge when you know that you can beat any player.

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Quote from: yayayo on March 23, 2022, 06:54:55 PM

I'm sure that the news that he is cheating have shocked the other players on the said tournament especially for those who are believing in him or for those who have been defeated by Igors Rausis. Anyway, it seems that it is not the first time he cheated while using a bathroom break, I mean he could've cheated already before he was caught.

Apart from audience - this is a big stain on his career. I am sure he would be repenting so much for what he has done. Fair game is always liked and admired by the audiences. No One would like to have a tag of cheater along with them - even if they are cheating. Have they had focused on the game - he would have done better than focusing on cheating.

Being negatively tagged because of cheating do stain your character and career for good and he will be carrying that until the rest of his life along with the embarrassment he did to himself but I doubt that he is repenting that much because I highly doubt that it was the very first time he cheated on that tournament.

Maybe he was doubted by others because his moves doesn't match to his recent plays.

Unfortunately, once you are tagged as a cheater on chess tournaments, then mostly your career (in online chess) is somehow ruined. Imagine, people reaching the 2000+ rating means that they have at least devoted most of their lives honing their skills. Lots of players, unfortunately, were banned from participating into tournaments because of cheating.

I remember, there was a chess GM who frequently visited restroom breaks during his match and it was subsequently discovered that he was hiding his cellphone on his pocket, checking the engine's recommendation on which is the best move to make.

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You can bet on the result of a match on more and more sites. It also seems to me quite easy to cheat with this, because players are quite easy to influence and you really only have to make 1 mistake and then you can quickly lose the game. You don't have to make big mistakes to lose. parties that you can bet on are often players who know what they are doing. But I think there is a limit to what you can bet.

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That's true one major mistake in chess means you are likely losing the game. Once the opponent has an advantage it's very hard to recover and one back from that. That is why tournaments in chess are usually across multiple games. If only one game is played it already matters who gets black and who gets white. So the minimum would be 2 games for both players to start with each color. The number of games also means that games become much more strategic. White has an advantage because he moves first, that's why in most games black tries to just for a draw and only play to win as white. The higher the number of games in a match up the lower the variance that the higher rated player will lose.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on March 23, 2022, 09:32:43 AM

I'm sure that the news that he is cheating have shocked the other players on the said tournament especially for those who are believing in him or for those who have been defeated by Igors Rausis. Anyway, it seems that it is not the first time he cheated while using a bathroom break, I mean he could've cheated already before he was caught.

Apart from audience - this is a big stain on his career. I am sure he would be repenting so much for what he has done. Fair game is always liked and admired by the audiences. No One would like to have a tag of cheater along with them - even if they are cheating. Have they had focused on the game - he would have done better than focusing on cheating.

Being negatively tagged because of cheating do stain your character and career for good and he will be carrying that until the rest of his life along with the embarrassment he did to himself but I doubt that he is repenting that much because I highly doubt that it was the very first time he cheated on that tournament.

Maybe he was doubted by others because his moves doesn't match to his recent plays.

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You are probably far from the world of chess and from computer analysis. Firstly, modern chess engines are neural networks that have learned themselves and have nothing to do with "learning" from people. Programs written by people still exist, but this is the previous generation. Secondly, computer programs offer such moves that ordinary "protein" players have not even dreamed of, this is easy to identify.

Yes it is. My judgment is based only on guesses based on personal experience, which has an extremely superficial idea about chess tournaments and analytics. It's good that people like you are always willing to clear things up.

Quote from: carlfebz2 on March 23, 2022, 06:36:27 PM

Quote from: Maus0728 on March 23, 2022, 06:15:44 PM

Yes, betting on chess is fun. I just don't know why still no platforms adopts it, as no one above 1600+ rating would even dare cheat on chess games. It's a matter of their integrity as well.

This is just basing up with my own view on why theres no platforms adopt it.

1. Less demand/interest
2. Boring to look at (Less physical movement etc)
3. Time consuming

So its not surprising that platforms would simply just ignore this one.

Only true chess fans can overcome these 3 obstacles. This will immediately repel beginners and they will better go to play online games like moba or shooters. In general, it seems to me that the number of new chess players is steadily declining with the development of technology and the spread of the Internet. It’s easier for people to play on their phones and scroll through the social media feed. It’s easier for people to play on their phones and scroll through the social media feed.

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You can bet on the result of a match on more and more sites. It also seems to me quite easy to cheat with this, because players are quite easy to influence and you really only have to make 1 mistake and then you can quickly lose the game. You don't have to make big mistakes to lose. parties that you can bet on are often players who know what they are doing. But I think there is a limit to what you can bet.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on March 23, 2022, 06:15:44 PM

Quote from: livingfree on March 23, 2022, 05:58:45 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on April 05, 2020, 03:41:15 PM

Betting in chess sound as a nice way to gamble, the problem is people could use a computer in the hard level to play chess against other people, that way the gamewill be rigged and the winner will be the one with a smarter PC.

So, if you find a place to bet on chess, i would like to recommend you to not place a bet.

I can imagine of that.

But there could be some ways to know that your opponent is the one actually playing it. In that manner, you'll be able to verify that there's no one cheating on the match.

Or, there are platforms and software that would definitely be for the sake of the PvP so that no one uses an AI that nobody knows that he's been cheated on.

Actually, most chess tournaments that had happen online requires an open camera with either a full bust camera or two open cams (one for face and one for hand). Apparently, there are still no events nor betting platforms that offered chess tournament betting online, as there are many things to consider before accepting the tournament and the game itself on a betting platform.

Those considerations to be taken (IMHO) are:
1. The streaming platform that the tournament is being conducted shows their cameras on (as what I indicated above).
2. The game to bet on were happening real-life face-to-face tournaments and also broadcasted online.

Yes, betting on chess is fun. I just don't know why still no platforms adopts it, as no one above 1600+ rating would even dare cheat on chess games. It's a matter of their integrity as well.

Nice.

This avoids the potential cheat that players can do. Now that we have that idea that cheating is avoidable and the trick of those players that has the intention to do it can be by passed.

It's certainly fun, I can still remember when I used to play this all day long against the old people in my hood. It's part of my childhood but I didn't pursue to be a good player of it due to being busy.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on March 23, 2022, 06:15:44 PM

Yes, betting on chess is fun. I just don't know why still no platforms adopts it, as no one above 1600+ rating would even dare cheat on chess games. It's a matter of their integrity as well.

This is just basing up with my own view on why theres no platforms adopt it.

1. Less demand/interest
2. Boring to look at (Less physical movement etc)
3. Time consuming

So its not surprising that platforms would simply just ignore this one.

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Quote from: livingfree on March 23, 2022, 05:58:45 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on April 05, 2020, 03:41:15 PM

Betting in chess sound as a nice way to gamble, the problem is people could use a computer in the hard level to play chess against other people, that way the gamewill be rigged and the winner will be the one with a smarter PC.

So, if you find a place to bet on chess, i would like to recommend you to not place a bet.

I can imagine of that.

But there could be some ways to know that your opponent is the one actually playing it. In that manner, you'll be able to verify that there's no one cheating on the match.

Or, there are platforms and software that would definitely be for the sake of the PvP so that no one uses an AI that nobody knows that he's been cheated on.

Actually, most chess tournaments that had happen online requires an open camera with either a full bust camera or two open cams (one for face and one for hand). Apparently, there are still no events nor betting platforms that offered chess tournament betting online, as there are many things to consider before accepting the tournament and the game itself on a betting platform.

Those considerations to be taken (IMHO) are:
1. The streaming platform that the tournament is being conducted shows their cameras on (as what I indicated above).
2. The game to bet on were happening real-life face-to-face tournaments and also broadcasted online.

Yes, betting on chess is fun. I just don't know why still no platforms adopts it, as no one above 1600+ rating would even dare cheat on chess games. It's a matter of their integrity as well.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on April 05, 2020, 03:41:15 PM

Betting in chess sound as a nice way to gamble, the problem is people could use a computer in the hard level to play chess against other people, that way the gamewill be rigged and the winner will be the one with a smarter PC.

So, if you find a place to bet on chess, i would like to recommend you to not place a bet.

I can imagine of that.

But there could be some ways to know that your opponent is the one actually playing it. In that manner, you'll be able to verify that there's no one cheating on the match.

Or, there are platforms and software that would definitely be for the sake of the PvP so that no one uses an AI that nobody knows that he's been cheated on.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on April 05, 2020, 03:41:15 PM

I'm sure that the news that he is cheating have shocked the other players on the said tournament especially for those who are believing in him or for those who have been defeated by Igors Rausis. Anyway, it seems that it is not the first time he cheated while using a bathroom break, I mean he could've cheated already before he was caught.

Apart from audience - this is a big stain on his career. I am sure he would be repenting so much for what he has done. Fair game is always liked and admired by the audiences. No One would like to have a tag of cheater along with them - even if they are cheating. Have they had focused on the game - he would have done better than focusing on cheating.

Big stain on the sense that it would really be changing up his entire career situation because once you do already have that bad impression on being a cheater then people could not just trust you once again because

we do know that once trust is broken then you would really be having a hard time on getting it back and this is the thing on which people is looking at him as a cheater.He cant be trusted once again.
Well, we do all change but he shouldnt have done it on the first place.

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Quote from: notblox1 on April 05, 2020, 03:13:22 PM

Can anyone tell me if you know any website where you can play online chess with other people
and that both man can invest crypto and winner takes it all?

Betting in chess sound as a nice way to gamble, the problem is people could use a computer in the hard level to play chess against other people, that way the gamewill be rigged and the winner will be the one with a smarter PC.

So, if you find a place to bet on chess, i would like to recommend you to not place a bet.

This is true and probably why a chess gambling site could never be fair in any reasonable setup. Even world champions have been beaten by the best chess playing algorithms. All the information is readily available to always make the best calculations, unlike a game like poker where even a computer is unable to make a solid counter against an expert who will understand bluffing and pot odds. Seems like a novel idea and could be fun, but it's wide open to abusive players.

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