China's strategy on the Ukraine invasion war - page 5.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 24, 2022, 07:55:55 AM

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How is China playing this?

As you can see, China is nothing but happy about this, as they are watching two potential enemies erode themselves and testing their strength. Lots of lessons will be learnt on the handling of this crisis and I would not say that Europe and Democracies are playing a great role in terms of intimidation, yet at least is managing to stay reasonably united.

China is supporting Russia in this encounter and they are the biggest importers of oil and natural resources from Russia and they have a good relationship, even today during United Nations Security Council China, India and the United Arab Emirates were absent from voting against Russia.

I am not sure whether China is having any other motive but one thing is clear is that US will talk a big game plan if Russia is to invade and yet they will not do anything. To be frank i never expected this invasion and how this will end is to be seen.

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Quote from: dothebeats on February 26, 2022, 06:38:12 PM

China has a lot of reasons to go and invade Taiwan right now. The West is busy with Russia and they cannot afford to handle to fronts at the same time, and even if they could, it would be costly and I don't think they would want to empty their pockets on this one alone, especially if the benefits in the end isn't that great from them.

That would be unwise of them if they do it right now. It's not that different from adding more fuel to the fire.

I agree with paxmao that they are an observer while trying to pacify the situation. Xi Jinping has been encouraging Putin to hold talks with the Ukraine delegates while condemning any sanctions against Russia.

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China has a lot of reasons to go and invade Taiwan right now. The West is busy with Russia and they cannot afford to handle to fronts at the same time, and even if they could, it would be costly and I don't think they would want to empty their pockets on this one alone, especially if the benefits in the end isn't that great from them. Russia will have to fight the Ukrainians, which are showing extreme resilience and are being supplied with weapons and funded by NATO. Zelenskyy's also good at boosting the morale of the civilian fighters and his soldiers with the way he handles the crisis.

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Quote from: arallmuus on February 24, 2022, 03:05:03 PM

If biden decided to strike hard then China as well North Korea (potentially) will have a reason on joining this war thus making the other member of NATO to join as well

The reason why Ukraine has become so close to NATO that it has caused Russia to go on a rampage cannot be separated from Joe Biden's behind-the-scenes intervention as US president and his son's energy business being there. China itself is not entirely happy, however the condition of bilateral relations between China and Russia will definitely be in this war directly, which is even more pleasing to the US because they are the ones who pit the two countries against each other even though they are still in the same family and are brothers. The Ukrainian president did not act wisely in bringing himself closer to NATO, regardless of economic and other matters. The point is never to take sides, because he is flanked by 2 blocks that are very heavy in history.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 24, 2022, 07:55:55 AM

How is China playing this?

a) Observing carefully as how the West is playing this crisis, how far they are willing to go when ~~China invades Taiwan~~ Russia invades Ukraine. How powerful is the response, how far is the West willing to go.

b) Keeping a distance from both sides, but not "the same distance" from both sides:

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Option a) and option b) are pretty much the same thing. China will observe and then decide if they can chew Taiwan or not.If they realize that NATO is a paper tiger, they'll go invade Taiwan without any second thoughts. So far NATO acts like a paper tiger so I feel like China is already making plans to invade Taiwan.

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I think China it does what it does best since 80s; copying, lowering costs and producing.

Since when is China not in a military conflict? China now produces trade wars, that is where it is good, it is not that it does not have a way to fight a traditional war, but it understands that waging trade wars benefits it more, it has become a world potential to trade wars.

China just are surely making Ukrainian and Russian toy tanks, and one or another figure of Putin, visit ebay or alibaba for details and ah! amazon too.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on February 24, 2022, 07:43:58 PM

Chinese politicians already talked about how "Taiwan is not Ukraine". As in they are basically saying that Taiwan is already part of their nation, sure it has its own president and all but we are talking about being a de facto tied nation, sort of like hong kong as well, maybe similar or maybe different but overall Chinese. I am guessing that if Europe and the USA did absolutely nothing to help Ukraine, then they will certainly not do anything about Taiwan. I guarantee you %100 that if China decided to bomb and occupy and completely took over Taiwan tomorrow, they could and nobody would say a thing about it. We are living in a weird age that is for sure, I hope that these big nations do not see this act of cowardice from other big nations and start taking lands from each other like this is the 13th century, we need to stop wars, we have enough communication all around the world to stop these and save lives.

I am sure you can find some parallelisms between the arguments of Putin about the republics in Donbass being independent, thus he is just helping some of his friends and neighbours with Chinas rhetoric about Taiwan being part of China, despite the people of Taiwan obviously NOT wanting to be part of China, just as people in Ukraine do not want Putin "demilitarising" their country.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 24, 2022, 07:55:55 AM

How is China playing this?

a) Observing carefully as how the West is playing this crisis, how far they are willing to go when ~~China invades Taiwan~~ Russia invades Ukraine. How powerful is the response, how far is the West willing to go.

China has already announced that Taiwan has always been part of China and therefore it would not be an invasion if the Chinese military were to invade Taiwan.
One must not compare China and Russia. China is much more dependent on the world economy than Russia. Therefore, China will not take this as a blueprint, but will look for other ways.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on February 25, 2022, 02:45:21 AM

I think I am more concerned with North Korea in this scenario... because the North Korean leader, Kim Jong Un (dubbed Rocket Man) are watching the Western response to this with a hawk eye. Roll Eyes

We know that Rocket Man has the same idea ...so the Western response to this invasion ..will determine what he does in the future.

If the West use silent diplomacy to intervene in the Ukraine and Russia war.. Kim Jong Un will see that as an opportunity to launch his own offensive. (They know that the West are basically bankrupt and that they cannot afford to fight on two fronts and also risk that China might get involved in either of these conflicts) Roll Eyes

isnt that guy a renewed person that made peace with south?

if he suddenly become hostile to unite with south. its his way. but its in his mind to conquer south when NATO is busy.

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I think I am more concerned with North Korea in this scenario... because the North Korean leader, Kim Jong Un (dubbed Rocket Man) are watching the Western response to this with a hawk eye. Roll Eyes

We know that Rocket Man has the same idea ...so the Western response to this invasion ..will determine what he does in the future.

If the West use silent diplomacy to intervene in the Ukraine and Russia war.. Kim Jong Un will see that as an opportunity to launch his own offensive. (They know that the West are basically bankrupt and that they cannot afford to fight on two fronts and also risk that China might get involved in either of these conflicts) Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Koro-Sensei on February 24, 2022, 01:37:02 PM

China is surely playing safe as of the moment. I think they will join the conflict once US joined the party which could lead to total catastrophe. They will surely start at disputed territorial waters in South China sea and bully its way to have those unexplored oils there. They are watching the situation closely and once US sends troops, I think that would be the time that they will move as well.

Maybe since Russia and China is ally after all but this war should not happen since we saw it already in the past how bad it was in a city with full of people struggling to survive each day. Where do you think they would go if conflict continue in their country? I've seen enough bloods and damages in the past yet they can't settle this in a civil manner.

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Chinese politicians already talked about how "Taiwan is not Ukraine". As in they are basically saying that Taiwan is already part of their nation, sure it has its own president and all but we are talking about being a de facto tied nation, sort of like hong kong as well, maybe similar or maybe different but overall Chinese. I am guessing that if Europe and the USA did absolutely nothing to help Ukraine, then they will certainly not do anything about Taiwan. I guarantee you %100 that if China decided to bomb and occupy and completely took over Taiwan tomorrow, they could and nobody would say a thing about it. We are living in a weird age that is for sure, I hope that these big nations do not see this act of cowardice from other big nations and start taking lands from each other like this is the 13th century, we need to stop wars, we have enough communication all around the world to stop these and save lives.

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Quote from: arallmuus on February 24, 2022, 03:05:03 PM

Quote from: paxmao on February 24, 2022, 07:55:55 AM

As you can see, China is nothing but happy about this, as they are watching two potential enemies erode themselves and testing their strength.

Well its one of the art of war though "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" so yeah China will be enjoying all of this but depending on how Biden will response on this because Biden now hold the main button for a potential world war 3. If biden decided to strike hard then China as well North Korea (potentially) will have a reason on joining this war thus making the other member of NATO to join as well

Ukraine will be taking devastating effect depending on how this goes but both party are wrong in this case. Both Biden and Putin are just sly old dogs that wants to go to war (and invade Ukraine) for their own personal reasons

This is the thing that should not be happening, let us hope for the best. If ever the west decided to get on board and strikes, we should also be ready our selves. Make sure that your own country's leader is ready because anytime soon, another new Axis and Allied countries will be born and should consider where will your leader will join. I am living on Philippines and our President is in good terms with China and Russia, but in bad terms with the US, I don't know for sure where he will party himself up if ever WW3 will come but we are seeing an obvious one. Diplomacy should be the first to solve the issues right now and not fueling by other countries like USA.

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To understand what China is going to do we do not need to predict anything special about this country, since China and USA are competitors in many fields such as economic fields and the USA is on Ukraine's side and China prefer to see Russia damaging nato countries including the USA they will surely support Russia in this war and that's not very surprising about China because they also want to see other countries fighting together while they can do economic development and this war will make the countries produce demand more supplies and China will be sure happy about this situation. So in this theory, I guess China is happy about this war and they will support Russia as well.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 24, 2022, 07:55:55 AM

How is China playing this?

You get yours while I get mine.
Then, time to think about our own borders since....

See that green territory in the northeast and the Shakalin Islands? Wink

China needs Russia till it fills its own ambitions near its own borders, but it also needs the EU and the US for its economy, EU and US dropping in purchasing power means fewer products sold, fewer workers back home, so if things go out of hand Xi will suddenly change his tone about this. Till now they wait and see, unlike others, they have time for it.

Quote from: el kaka22 on February 24, 2022, 03:23:12 PM

China could take all of Hong Kong and Vietnam under their nation, like fully, and nobody will do anything about it.

Hong Kong was returned to China by the UK in 1997, probably you're thinking about Taiwan.
As for Vietnam, it's probably the last thing China wants to invade in Asia, probably less than even Japan itself, attacking a fellow communist country, after all, that happened there is something no propaganda machine could wash clean.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 24, 2022, 07:55:55 AM

How is China playing this?

a) Observing carefully as how the West is playing this crisis, how far they are willing to go when ~~China invades Taiwan~~ Russia invades Ukraine. How powerful is the response, how far is the West willing to go.

b) Keeping a distance from both sides, but not "the same distance" from both sides:

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China criticized the Washington's response on Wednesday, saying the new US sanctions amounted to throwing "fuel on the fire" and were "irresponsible and immoral."

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In a joint statement, Russia and China called on NATO to "ideologized approaches of the Cold War" and "respect the diversity of civilizational and cultural-historical patterns" in other countries.

As you can see, China is nothing but happy about this, as they are watching two potential enemies erode themselves and testing their strength. Lots of lessons will be learnt on the handling of this crisis and I would not say that Europe and Democracies are playing a great role in terms of intimidation, yet at least is managing to stay reasonably united.

China is the ideological ally of Russia and even though it is not going to take sides in an arms conflict, internally we all know it is going to support Russia, in Global geopolitics if you want to compete against the USA, Russia, and China have to stay together at least for next 30-40 years until China becomes a superpower equivalent to the west. Secondly as you mentioned supporting Russia's cause is going to be rewarding for China as well, because if Russia can do this to Ukraine, China can also do the same to Taiwan and it's other regions and west would be just a mute spectator just like they would be in this case.

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China and Russia is basically the same nation. You may see a few differences in them, you could point out how there are small differences you think that are big. But the reality is that they are both nations with powerful army, powerful economy (or at least powerful against the nations they attack) and how no big nation will do anything against them but put sanctions against them.

China could take all of Hong Kong and Vietnam under their nation, like fully, and nobody will do anything about it. Hell I am sure China could much worse, and yet nobody will do anything about it. You think Russia will stop with Ukraine? They saw that nothing will be done so they could do anything they want.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 24, 2022, 07:55:55 AM

As you can see, China is nothing but happy about this, as they are watching two potential enemies erode themselves and testing their strength.

Well its one of the art of war though "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" so yeah China will be enjoying all of this but depending on how Biden will response on this because Biden now hold the main button for a potential world war 3. If biden decided to strike hard then China as well North Korea (potentially) will have a reason on joining this war thus making the other member of NATO to join as well

Ukraine will be taking devastating effect depending on how this goes but both party are wrong in this case. Both Biden and Putin are just sly old dogs that wants to go to war (and invade Ukraine) for their own personal reasons

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Quote from: paxmao on February 24, 2022, 07:55:55 AM

How is China playing this?

a) Observing carefully as how the West is playing this crisis, how far they are willing to go when ~~China invades Taiwan~~ Russia invades Ukraine. How powerful is the response, how far is the West willing to go.

b) Keeping a distance from both sides, but not "the same distance" from both sides:

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China criticized the Washington's response on Wednesday, saying the new US sanctions amounted to throwing "fuel on the fire" and were "irresponsible and immoral."

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In a joint statement, Russia and China called on NATO to "ideologized approaches of the Cold War" and "respect the diversity of civilizational and cultural-historical patterns" in other countries.

As you can see, China is nothing but happy about this, as they are watching two potential enemies erode themselves and testing their strength. Lots of lessons will be learnt on the handling of this crisis and I would not say that Europe and Democracies are playing a great role in terms of intimidation, yet at least is managing to stay reasonably united.

China is definitely trying to master the art of playing two sides. I think you are overlooking and have purposefully ignored the fact that China said the territorial integrity of Ukraine should not be violated and that they want peace. Even if it is only lip-service, they clearly had no qualms about talking badly about the Russian actions. War is bad for business and China is not as rich as they might want - this has the potential to drag the global economy down the toilet. Russia's actions have little benefit for China and Russia has little to offer China economically - most of their income comes from selling to the West. Russia is simply a partner of convenience and if China ever got to a position where they could neutralize Russian nuclear weapons, then they would invade and take over Russian land in a second. Ironically in the future it might be Russia that needs the support of the EU and the USA to defend their land from invasion from the biggest population in the world who are growing increasingly abrasive.

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Quote from: dimonstration on February 24, 2022, 11:46:39 AM

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China is an ally to Russia so basically, Russia is doing them the favor and is really just waiting for any signal to whatever they're up to. As for economic sanctions, Russia has already taken the consequence while if it's for China. I doubt it that the US and its allies can put sanction to China.
With the last news I've seen about China and Taiwan, China's airforce have been rotating on the sides of Taiwan and they're also likely to get on them at any moment.

Russia and China are allies even Russia may receives sanction China for sure will be there to help. I don’t think China will ever received sanctions look what happened in Hongkong before despite what happened in Hongkong and Taiwan theres no news of sactions said to happen in them. China is just carefully watching on how other countries will react to Putin's's Decision of war. Hopefully this war in Ukraine and Taiwan will stop already as it affects not just the innocent people but also the stocks and crypto markets.

Yes, they're like sworn brothers so even if Russia receives an economic sanction. Their brother is at the top of the chain now in terms of economy and power.
China is the bully and likely the most powerful and that's why whichever country they're in, no one seems to stop them. So, for these countries that are being bullied by them, their main choice is to be friendly to them.

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