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legendary
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zefir... it looks like every buyer will only get 30 sample chips regardless how many batches he bought... do you have already a plan how to spread the chips now? Will only the buyers in first batch have the right to get a sample chip or will you raise the amount of chips needed to be allowed to get a sample chip? So that the 30 chips are spread about all bought batches? I tend to the last...
Edit: Ill do it like i said. Only one buyer through all 4 batches has bought enough chips to be eligible for 3 chips. All other chips are spread through the developers. Every dev in my list will get at least one chip probably.

Sorry, was late and started another thread here.

Very disappointing.

Yes, disappointing for the users that thought they can get a sample by buying more chips and even more disappointing for the developer. But as far as i spoke with the devs... with one chip they can test nearly everything. A second chip is good for testing the communication between 2 chips. Everything above this is practically luxus. So i think it will be enough to prove the designs working. And i think when everone in my list gets one or 2 chips there will be a good amount of miners and assembly services the community can chose from because a working miner was shown... Smiley Its not as bad as it looks. The miner can be tested with one or 2 chips.

That might be true for the bare hashing functionality. But you can't test chip-to-chip or inter-board communication for stacking.

Alas, that is not even my point. It was never written that there is such a limitation - it was a part of the ToS that sample chips will be delivered for a 10k chip order. I already stopped to count the hours I spent to collect the owner / supporter information for a most transparent and fair distribution. Plus the effort of everyone providing this data - everything is moot and a waste of time now.

Yes, stacking cant be tested. But BKKCoins has the only board that is stackable. He could even test stacking with 2 boards that have 1 chip on it each. At least i take this from his thread. Im not sure if stacking has to be tested. Its a good thing of course but the stacking is something bkkcoins created. So its nothing unknown to him. The only unknown part yet are the chips and their communication. So im pretty sure bkkcoins can end his design and proof that it works fine.

Yes, youre right with the limitation. Another thing that i account to the non existing customer support.
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zefir... it looks like every buyer will only get 30 sample chips regardless how many batches he bought... do you have already a plan how to spread the chips now? Will only the buyers in first batch have the right to get a sample chip or will you raise the amount of chips needed to be allowed to get a sample chip? So that the 30 chips are spread about all bought batches? I tend to the last...
Edit: Ill do it like i said. Only one buyer through all 4 batches has bought enough chips to be eligible for 3 chips. All other chips are spread through the developers. Every dev in my list will get at least one chip probably.

Sorry, was late and started another thread here.

Very disappointing.

Yes, disappointing for the users that thought they can get a sample by buying more chips and even more disappointing for the developer. But as far as i spoke with the devs... with one chip they can test nearly everything. A second chip is good for testing the communication between 2 chips. Everything above this is practically luxus. So i think it will be enough to prove the designs working. And i think when everone in my list gets one or 2 chips there will be a good amount of miners and assembly services the community can chose from because a working miner was shown... Smiley Its not as bad as it looks. The miner can be tested with one or 2 chips.

That might be true for the bare hashing functionality. But you can't test chip-to-chip or inter-board communication for stacking.

Alas, that is not even my point. It was never written that there is such a limitation - it was a part of the ToS that sample chips will be delivered for a 10k chip order. I already stopped to count the hours I spent to collect the owner / supporter information for a most transparent and fair distribution. Plus the effort of everyone providing this data - everything is moot and a waste of time now.
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Just to let everyone know, I haven't abandoned my project, but I have been working on it at a slower pace since I did not expect to receive any sample chips. I'm going to change my status to support Bkkcoins with my pathetic 10 chip order. Not that it will matter, especially with the recent news.

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legendary
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zefir... it looks like every buyer will only get 30 sample chips regardless how many batches he bought... do you have already a plan how to spread the chips now? Will only the buyers in first batch have the right to get a sample chip or will you raise the amount of chips needed to be allowed to get a sample chip? So that the 30 chips are spread about all bought batches? I tend to the last...
Edit: Ill do it like i said. Only one buyer through all 4 batches has bought enough chips to be eligible for 3 chips. All other chips are spread through the developers. Every dev in my list will get at least one chip probably.

Sorry, was late and started another thread here.

Very disappointing.

Yes, disappointing for the users that thought they can get a sample by buying more chips and even more disappointing for the developer. But as far as i spoke with the devs... with one chip they can test nearly everything. A second chip is good for testing the communication between 2 chips. Everything above this is practically luxus. So i think it will be enough to prove the designs working. And i think when everone in my list gets one or 2 chips there will be a good amount of miners and assembly services the community can chose from because a working miner was shown... Smiley Its not as bad as it looks. The miner can be tested with one or 2 chips.
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zefir... it looks like every buyer will only get 30 sample chips regardless how many batches he bought... do you have already a plan how to spread the chips now? Will only the buyers in first batch have the right to get a sample chip or will you raise the amount of chips needed to be allowed to get a sample chip? So that the 30 chips are spread about all bought batches? I tend to the last...
Edit: Ill do it like i said. Only one buyer through all 4 batches has bought enough chips to be eligible for 3 chips. All other chips are spread through the developers. Every dev in my list will get at least one chip probably.

Sorry, was late and started another thread here.

Very disappointing.
legendary
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zefir... it looks like every buyer will only get 30 sample chips regardless how many batches he bought... do you have already a plan how to spread the chips now? Will only the buyers in first batch have the right to get a sample chip or will you raise the amount of chips needed to be allowed to get a sample chip? So that the 30 chips are spread about all bought batches? I tend to the last...
Edit: Ill do it like i said. Only one buyer through all 4 batches has bought enough chips to be eligible for 3 chips. All other chips are spread through the developers. Every dev in my list will get at least one chip probably.
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Ok I can confirm too, we just received 5 minutes ago the EMS tracking number for the Avalon chips samples that we've ordered.

They should be here in Switzerland on Tuesday or Wednesday at latest.

Cheers!
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Thanks Zefir for adding us (bitmine.ch) to the list of developers for our Avalon miner clone.  Grin

I've just sent out an email to all of our customers that have opted to supply their own ASICs so that they know to get in touch with you for the assignment.

legendary
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I totally understand your points and fully agree to them, I just thought it would makes things easier (because more than half of the people involved haven't cared about it yet and maybe won't do in the next couple of days/weeks). Furthermore, I had some crazy notions about one pillar of all of this - decentralization  Wink
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good news   Smiley

Though I already assigned my share, I would suggest to distribute the remaining samples to the guys with no or uneven numbers (if they still are on track). Overload the current sympathy leaders doesn't make much sense to me.

Final distribution will be decided when it comes to shipping. For sure there will be a rounding scheme to process the fractional portions of sample chips.

But your proposal is not fully thought through: if announced that the remaining chips are to be distributed to those who received the least support, two things will happen:
  • lots of claims how unfair this is and how it voids the idea of proportional supporting
  • everyone would claim his own chips, hoping to get one sample for the 0.1 he would get base on his order

It always works best if kept simple and consistent, that's why I will keep the initially proposed proportional support distribution scheme.
legendary
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good news   Smiley

Though I already assigned my share, I would suggest to distribute the remaining samples to the guys with no or uneven numbers (if they still are on track). Overload the current sympathy leaders doesn't make much sense to me.
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Update: Delivery of Sample Chips started

Delivery of sample chips seems to have started, someone in Chine reported to have received them here.

Therefore we need to finalize the preparation for the sample chip distribution as follows:

1) Supporters
Around one third of chips are not yet assigned. If you have not done yet, please do so now.

2) Owners
If you did not get enough support for at least one sample chip, please consider delegating your portion to some other developer of your choice.

If you are entitled to get some sample chips from me, please
  • check if you want them, which you will have to pay the shipping and handling costs as described in the OP
  • provide me your shipping address via board PM or email. You might want to PGP encrypt it (my public key is in my sig) if you are concerned about your privacy (encrypted messages only via email).


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Users decided   :   117 /   266 (43.98%)
Chips assigned  : 35640 / 55450 (64.27%)

Owner          Project                own chips  supporters  total chips   sample chips
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BkkCoins       Klondike                   130          12         2200        6.60
Exoskeleton    Exoskeleton                120           1          170        0.51
Hiroaki        Hiroaki                   5500           0         5500       16.50
OROBANK        OROBANK                    100           0          100        0.30
allten         The Quarter Stick            0           0            0        0.00
bitmine.ch     Avalon Clone                 0           0            0        0.00
burnin         BITburner XX                 0          71        11510       34.52
danattacker    danattacker                 10           0           10        0.03
flyonwall      ASIC Chip Condo            960           1         1360        4.08
hata1234       hata1234                   960           0          960        2.88
jcp            jcp                       1150           0         1150        3.45
marto74        marto74                     60           2         2110        6.33
rgzen          rgzen                      500           9          920        2.76
ryepdx         ryepdx                       0           2          100        0.30
stripykitteh   Caterpillar                200           2          450        1.35
strombom       strombom                   650           1          700        2.10
weaknesswaran  weaknesswaran             1000           0         1000        3.00
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that is incredible,

avalon star is sinking fast. i am engaged in avalon batch 3 group buy and your avalon chip group buy batch 7. approx. 8 k € is only a fraction of your batch 8 problem, but still is a mess.

i suggest if avalon is not responding correctly, the loss at batch 8 should be devided up within the other batches. i would be willing to donate my share.

edit: i had several issues with probable loss at exchanges, but it got sorted

the community should try to stick together to avoid terrible losses to individuals. we all - more or less - profited in this game so far. why not give some back ?

Thanks for the kind words and your offer for helping me to recover from that loss. Really appreciate it, but I am not going to involve you buyers in this. First, it is not yet a loss: Avalon might decide to check one day and refund me the coins. Second, the 10% premium I charged from you are meant exactly for covering this kind of risks. This time I lost, next time it might work out better.

Cheers


noble. i wish you luck.
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First, it is not yet a loss: Avalon might decide to check one day and refund me the coins.

Or send the chips, which would be an even better outcome.

Yes, if they would make it in time. If they otherwise show up next year, well...
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First, it is not yet a loss: Avalon might decide to check one day and refund me the coins.

Or send the chips, which would be an even better outcome.
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that is incredible,

avalon star is sinking fast. i am engaged in avalon batch 3 group buy and your avalon chip group buy batch 7. approx. 8 k € is only a fraction of your batch 8 problem, but still is a mess.

i suggest if avalon is not responding correctly, the loss at batch 8 should be devided up within the other batches. i would be willing to donate my share.

edit: i had several issues with probable loss at exchanges, but it got sorted

the community should try to stick together to avoid terrible losses to individuals. we all - more or less - profited in this game so far. why not give some back ?

Thanks for the kind words and your offer for helping me to recover from that loss. Really appreciate it, but I am not going to involve you buyers in this. First, it is not yet a loss: Avalon might decide to check one day and refund me the coins. Second, the 10% premium I charged from you are meant exactly for covering this kind of risks. This time I lost, next time it might work out better.

Cheers
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