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Topic: (Closed) Butter Bot!: Premier Bitstamp, and BTC-E EMA Trading Platform (Closed) - page 55. (Read 274784 times)

newbie
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Remote connection to a virtual desktop will most likely be overkill. I'm sure he's looking into hosting the bot as a web application.

They will have to rewrite it, since for now you need a browser. Someone asked for a console application and Pablo said that it was not possible at the moment.

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I seem to have read that this has been taking some time to figure out. I have mine currently running on my home server iMac, no trades yet - possibly the uptrend?

Take a look and set the interval to 1h, 30m, 15m.
http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd
http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mtgox/btcusd

With this trend - and depending on the exchange - with trading set to 30/60minutes the bot should be doing buy&hold mostly.
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1003
newbie
Activity: 35
Merit: 0
Hi I'm a newish butter-bot user. I've read in this thread advice against using any trade frequency below 30 minutes, but I'm using a 15 minute strategy that performs very well in backtesting. Is there any reason that this is a bad idea, despite the success in backtesting (over all intervals)?
legendary
Activity: 1183
Merit: 1000
Everyone else having problems with MtGox API at the moment (and last couple of hours)...?
Price info seems to be pulled correctly and graph is updated but yellow warning keeps saying that there is a problem with it. I'm trading in €, if it has any meaning.

Hi Gentle_bend,

I'm also using the MtGox API in combination with €/BTC trading, and I'm not having any issues at all.
Have you tried a refresh of your Chrome Extensions? (CTRL + 'R' in the Extensions menu)


Thanks for that MicroFi but despite reloading/restarting bot and browser I can still see the warning message and no info about my finances on Mt.Gox ...  Cry  On the other hand brief look at the logs doesn't indicate any problems (I'm not a coding person though).

I think I'll move my coins to BTC-e, just in case this rally(?) ends abruptly (will it ever?  Grin)   
 

Gentle_Bend,
   Could you please drop me an email at [email protected]? I will be happy to help you debug this issue :=).

I look forward to hearing from you.

Pablo.
legendary
Activity: 1183
Merit: 1000
Hi there - running the bot off my laptop entails that I keep it on and Chrome open as far as I understand. I am reading comments about a planned hosted solution - will this mean you'll provide a web interface to manage our bot settings on your server?

Hi BigB Smiley,
  Yes, that's exactly what that means, when hosting is live, you will be able to run Butter from our servers through a web interface. I hope that answers your questions, please do not hesitate to let me know if you need anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.

Hi Pablo,

I hope that you are considering all possible scenarios because from a security point of view this can be easily become a nightmare.

Nobody will be able to steal money/BTC, however the potential for wiping out accounts because of intentional misconfiguration of the BOT parameters is huge.

What would be the details on how to interact with the BOT in a hosted environment? RDC? Teamviewer? A web application?


We are looking at security to the best of our ability and as far as is reasonable for us to do so (I.E. if they NSA or CIA decide they really want to hack us well... Smiley ), but hosting will include very clear disclaimers regarding this issue. Nothing anyone can build is fool proof and although we are confident that hosting is not a decent target for an organized attack (because you can't steal any coins) and we are confident we can build an infrastructure to withstand most other situations, we really can't make any absolute guarantees, in computer security, no one can.

So to answer your question: We are taking every reasonable precaution but in the end it is a personal choice to use or not the service, we can't make absolute guarantees.

Please let me know if you need anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.
legendary
Activity: 1183
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newbie
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Everyone else having problems with MtGox API at the moment (and last couple of hours)...?
Price info seems to be pulled correctly and graph is updated but yellow warning keeps saying that there is a problem with it. I'm trading in €, if it has any meaning.

Hi Gentle_bend,

I'm also using the MtGox API in combination with €/BTC trading, and I'm not having any issues at all.
Have you tried a refresh of your Chrome Extensions? (CTRL + 'R' in the Extensions menu)


Thanks for that MicroFi but despite reloading/restarting bot and browser I can still see the warning message and no info about my finances on Mt.Gox ...  Cry  On the other hand brief look at the logs doesn't indicate any problems (I'm not a coding person though).

I think I'll move my coins to BTC-e, just in case this rally(?) ends abruptly (will it ever?  Grin)   
 
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1003
Right now Im using butterbot demo on this settings and it doing strange things
Sell for 400
Buy for 405
Sell for 406
Buy for 419

the dip last night got the better of the bot on a lot of settings.
So is that normal? I am talking about last (3rd) settings
It is normal for butter to do that.

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newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
Right now Im using butterbot demo on this settings and it doing strange things
Sell for 400
Buy for 405
Sell for 406
Buy for 419

the dip last night got the better of the bot on a lot of settings.
So is that normal? I am talking about last (3rd) settings
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
Right now Im using butterbot demo on this settings and it doing strange things
Sell for 400
Buy for 405
Sell for 406
Buy for 419

the dip last night got the better of the bot on a lot of settings.
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
Pablo, can you check

Below settings yesterday were :



And today are :



Maybe this will change by tomorrow too ?


Right now Im using butterbot demo on this settings and it doing strange things
Sell for 400
Buy for 405
Sell for 406
Buy for 419
full member
Activity: 163
Merit: 100
Hi there - running the bot off my laptop entails that I keep it on and Chrome open as far as I understand. I am reading comments about a planned hosted solution - will this mean you'll provide a web interface to manage our bot settings on your server?

Hi BigB Smiley,
  Yes, that's exactly what that means, when hosting is live, you will be able to run Butter from our servers through a web interface. I hope that answers your questions, please do not hesitate to let me know if you need anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.

Hi Pablo,

I hope that you are considering all possible scenarios because from a security point of view this can be easily become a nightmare.

Nobody will be able to steal money/BTC, however the potential for wiping out accounts because of intentional misconfiguration of the BOT parameters is huge.

What would be the details on how to interact with the BOT in a hosted environment? RDC? Teamviewer? A web application?

Remote connection to a virtual desktop will most likely be overkill. I'm sure he's looking into hosting the bot as a web application. I seem to have read that this has been taking some time to figure out. I have mine currently running on my home server iMac, no trades yet - possibly the uptrend?
full member
Activity: 124
Merit: 100
Everyone else having problems with MtGox API at the moment (and last couple of hours)...?
Price info seems to be pulled correctly and graph is updated but yellow warning keeps saying that there is a problem with it. I'm trading in €, if it has any meaning.

Hi Gentle_bend,

I'm also using the MtGox API in combination with €/BTC trading, and I'm not having any issues at all.
Have you tried a refresh of your Chrome Extensions? (CTRL + 'R' in the Extensions menu)
newbie
Activity: 35
Merit: 0
Hi there - running the bot off my laptop entails that I keep it on and Chrome open as far as I understand. I am reading comments about a planned hosted solution - will this mean you'll provide a web interface to manage our bot settings on your server?

Hi BigB Smiley,
  Yes, that's exactly what that means, when hosting is live, you will be able to run Butter from our servers through a web interface. I hope that answers your questions, please do not hesitate to let me know if you need anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.

Hi Pablo,

I hope that you are considering all possible scenarios because from a security point of view this can be easily become a nightmare.

Nobody will be able to steal money/BTC, however the potential for wiping out accounts because of intentional misconfiguration of the BOT parameters is huge.

What would be the details on how to interact with the BOT in a hosted environment? RDC? Teamviewer? A web application?
newbie
Activity: 16
Merit: 0
Everyone else having problems with MtGox API at the moment (and last couple of hours)...?
Price info seems to be pulled correctly and graph is updated but yellow warning keeps saying that there is a problem with it. I'm trading in €, if it has any meaning.
newbie
Activity: 44
Merit: 0
Hi all,

I'm a new user to Butter Bot, I've been running the demo for the last few days and reading the various conceptual arguments about bot profitability vs B&H etc... I'm now in the bizarre position of actually hoping for a BTC price crash so I can buy back low, assuming that the bot gets me out in time!
All in all, I think the bot is for me and I'm looking forward to being able to use it with LTC/USD also.

Just wanted to pipe in though that I too would love to see a 'don't sell at a loss' feature.
It seems to me that if you're able to specify that the bot shouldn't sell below it's last purchase price, then you're basically on 'B&H plus extra profits during market volatility'.

Sure, the price could tank. If you're lucky, the EMA settings you have got you out of BTC in time and you can buy back at a lower price and profit as the price climbs back up - but if not, you've basically switched to B&H on those coins until the market recovers.
Since people are arguing over whether B&H is a better strategy, and the suggestion of a split between the two seems sensible, this looks like an ideal scenario.

We're assuming of course that the overall trend is up. But if you're B&H, then you're assuming that already... and if the price never goes back up, well you'd have lost with B&H anyway!

Of course, if the price has really tanked and takes months to recover, you'll be losing out on all the profit the bot would be making on a lower priced, but still volatile market over that time - but if the feature's available then you ticks yer box and you takes yer chances. Wink

If the feature is planned, I'd be interested to know how it'll work - If I find myself locked in to BTC at a higher price because the bot didn't spot the downtrend in time to get me out at a profit, my thinking is that I'll probably want to pump some more USD into the account and have the bot pick up some more BTC when it spots the next uptrend. I'd want the bot to remember that X amount of BTC can't be sold below $Y, but the rest is available for it to trade with.

From a development point of view, I can see how that would get complicated. You'd need to track the amount of BTC sold and at what price. Presumably that means the trades would have to be recorded to a database and have some kind of open / close position. A trade of X BTC opened at $Y. Current price below $Y so trades can't be used to 'close' X BTC until Y > the price of BTC at the point of the X trade.
Trades instead 'open' new records and close themselves until the $Y is reached.
The point being you wouldn't be able to just look at the last trade.......

I'm digressing - just wanted to say hi. Wink
legendary
Activity: 1183
Merit: 1000
I understand, that's why I would like to run 2 separate butterbots . One with the "Do Not Take a Loss" command (I hope you will include it soon) and another instance with the "normal" trading values.
 By the way - another suggestion : to be able to run 2 instances - bots with a single bitstamp account and with a single chrome.


Is there a way to set the butterbot to never sell at a loss ?
 For example right now the bot can buy at 400 and sell at 390 - depending on the settings and the chart.

But can I set it in a way if it buys 5 btc at 400 - to never sell those 5 btc below 400 ? Only above

Hi Joehal Smiley,
  This feature is very requested and it's not hard to code but we have not included it for a simple reason: it assumes that in the immediate term, BTC will always go up. Regardless of our long term bullish or bearish positions on BTC, it's a bad assumption to make. Suppose it's April and BTC is trading at 240, you purchased at 240 but then BTC begins to crash. Butter will not sell because of the "Do Not Take a Loss" command and by the time it hits 120 you have lost half your net worth.

The argument can be made that over 6 months you may make your money back plus a profit but that's not a healthy assumption to make with any commodity, nor is it really a trading strategy. This feature is so requested though that we may include it at some point with an advisory I suppose.

I hope that answers your question, please do not hesitate to let me know if you need anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.

For the first suggestion: I'll bring it up with the developer Smiley.

For the second: You can already do that, you can run multiple profiles and have multiple Butter's on your PC with different settings on the same exchange. Please just make sure to use different API keys for each.

Instructions: You can have multiple profiles running on the same machine simultaneously. It's pretty easy, here's a description on how to set it up: http://cybernetnews.com/chrome-multiple-profiles/

I'm here for whatever you need Smiley.

Pablo.
member
Activity: 93
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I understand, that's why I would like to run 2 separate butterbots . One with the "Do Not Take a Loss" command (I hope you will include it soon) and another instance with the "normal" trading values.
 By the way - another suggestion : to be able to run 2 instances - bots with a single bitstamp account and with a single chrome.


Is there a way to set the butterbot to never sell at a loss ?
 For example right now the bot can buy at 400 and sell at 390 - depending on the settings and the chart.

But can I set it in a way if it buys 5 btc at 400 - to never sell those 5 btc below 400 ? Only above

Hi Joehal Smiley,
  This feature is very requested and it's not hard to code but we have not included it for a simple reason: it assumes that in the immediate term, BTC will always go up. Regardless of our long term bullish or bearish positions on BTC, it's a bad assumption to make. Suppose it's April and BTC is trading at 240, you purchased at 240 but then BTC begins to crash. Butter will not sell because of the "Do Not Take a Loss" command and by the time it hits 120 you have lost half your net worth.

The argument can be made that over 6 months you may make your money back plus a profit but that's not a healthy assumption to make with any commodity, nor is it really a trading strategy. This feature is so requested though that we may include it at some point with an advisory I suppose.

I hope that answers your question, please do not hesitate to let me know if you need anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.
legendary
Activity: 1183
Merit: 1000
Thank you for the great quick reply. Every indication seemed to point that things were running, so I'll just let it roll for now and see where things go.

Hey BigB Smiley,
  You can always double check that everything is running by looking for the "connectivity check mark" on the main bot menu; please see below:



Do not hesitate to let me know if you need anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.
full member
Activity: 163
Merit: 100
Thank you for the great quick reply. Every indication seemed to point that things were running, so I'll just let it roll for now and see where things go.
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