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Topic: [CLOSED] S.DICE - SatoshiDICE 100% Dividend-Paying Asset on MPEx - page 61. (Read 316363 times)

vip
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The block size issue has the possibility of crippling satoshidice.

Unless they start doing things more efficiently the network will act to defend itself one way or the other against the SD "attack" whether through increased fees or blocking SD transactions altogether. SD may have to invest in its own mining equipment if it wants to continue its wasteful ways.
Are you serious?

Bitcoin won't block S.DICE transactions. They are already paying twice the needed fee.

There's no such entity as a "Bitcoin" that can choose whether or not to block or not S.DICE transactions.

Any blocking would be done by individual pools.  It would only take one large pool to actively be hostile to S.DICE to make them unable to allow zero-confirmation bets at all.  If a pool discards S.DICE transactions but intentionally allows competing transactions from same source to process then the pool only needs a few % of network power for anyone to profitably attack S.DICE by trying to double-spend any losing bets - the few % of times the pool includes the double-spend (and cancels the losing bet) then outweigh the house edge on the rest of bets.  You underestimate the extent to which some are opposed to S.DICE (not me - obviously).

It has become very clear that satoshidice is exacerbating problems in bitcoin. I think it has less to do with what satoshidice represents (gambling) than how they do things. It's the transaction spam. The problem is, they don't seem to care. I find this both ironic and sad, because it's costing them money and there are several easy ways around the problem. For one, not sending confirmations for losing bids would cut their traffic by over 30%, right? Right. But they insist on sending out confirmations on losing bids. Secondly, they could let people use accounts if they want to. This would speed things up from the user's standpoint (so there is a demand) and it would also save money in transaction fees. It would also enable them to add more games and expand their business beyond just the public address game. Also, there is absolutely no difference from a privacy standpoint. So not only would that save them money but it would cut the transaction spam by over 50%. But they haven't done that either.

Yes, "they have to fix it one day anyway". It's true, the blockchain is bitcoin's greatest weakness; people simply do not need 3+ years of cryptographic strength to prove they spent a dollar on an ice cream cone. But satoshidice transaction spam is the kind of thing that will hurt bitcoin before a solution can be found and adopted. Then again, it's only accelerating the obvious. When, not if, the blockchain gets too big (how big is too big?) too many people will be forced into web wallets or other centralized blockchain services, and they will not be able to play satoshidice. So satoshidice will then be forced to allow accounts or it will start losing money.

One wonders why they don't just do it now and save themselves (and us) the trouble.
legendary
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so dollar wise this is another record month right?

By my calculations the profit went up from 53343.121178 to 66676.3674579 this month, a gain of 13333.2462799 BTC.

At $33.50/BTC that's $446663 for the month.

That's a lot of 333's and 666's.

Oh, and to answer your question, last month was something like 20021.263926 BTC * 20.6 $/BTC = $412438.

So yes.

That's pretty impressive considering February only has 28 days vs 31 days in January
hero member
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So about 13333 worth of dividends... :-( Less than the last month.. Who cares about $$$.


I think just about every single person that is invested in SDICE cares about the $$$... There was a net increase in profitability. BTC doubled in value, so actual BTC went down and that makes you sad?

Well I don't keep myself update with exchange rates :-) I have only 1500 shares, so not enough BTC for me :-(
   
hero member
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WTF???
So about 13333 worth of dividends... :-( Less than the last month.. Who cares about $$$.


I think just about every single person that is invested in SDICE cares about the $$$... There was a net increase in profitability. BTC doubled in value, so actual BTC went down and that makes you sad?
hero member
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so dollar wise this is another record month right?

By my calculations the profit went up from 53343.121178 to 66676.3674579 this month, a gain of 13333.2462799 BTC.

At $33.50/BTC that's $446663 for the month.

That's a lot of 333's and 666's.

Oh, and to answer your question, last month was something like 20021.263926 BTC * 20.6 $/BTC = $412438.

So yes.

So about 13333 worth of dividends... :-( Less than the last month.. Who cares about $$$.
legendary
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Record month broken without - edit: almost - no whales, that's very promising.
legendary
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so dollar wise this is another record month right?

By my calculations the profit went up from 53343.121178 to 66676.3674579 this month, a gain of 13333.2462799 BTC.

At $33.50/BTC that's $446663 for the month.

That's a lot of 333's and 666's.

Oh, and to answer your question, last month was something like 20021.263926 BTC * 20.6 $/BTC = $412438.

So yes.
legendary
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so dollar wise this is another record month right?
full member
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Eagerly awaiting next month's dividend payout..
vip
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Using that logic Novacoin (for people who do not know it is some alt premined scam coin but is up like 80,000%) has been a much much better investment.

All I am saying is the amount of bitcoin being poured into SDice is much higher than I ever expected. IF this keeps up in a few years this would have been a good investment.

I never was looking at short term or pump and dump stuff...

The difference, of course, would be that S.DICE has traded worth northwards of 50k BTC at the present price levels, whereas the entire net worth of the scamcoin you use as an example may be 1/10th of that if anyone actually took the prices currently on offer (and nobody does).

In short, 100 tons of bread that have already sold at 2 dollars a loaf is not something to be compared with 1000 tons of worthless paper waiting to be sold at 50 cents a wad. Not even close, not the same ballpark.

Also, seeing how your average involvement with Bitcoin in between disappearances is less than "a few years" at a time, I think it's very unlikely you'll ever meet the goalpost you propose. Not because of S.DICE, but because you'll have in the interim involved yourself in who knows what other scam a la pirate and felt the need to take another break.

You're the only short term thing in this discussion. Remarkable that you'd have the cheek to lie baldfaced like that tho, "I don't go for pump and dump" bs - the consummate scammers working at equivocating between the real article and their crap. It doesn't wash.

There is no way you know what the future will bring. s.dice might get shut down tomorrow by the feds for running an illegal gambling site. mpex might get shut down for something like this. it is not a fact that everyone has made money on this or will. that MIGHT happen but we are a long way off from knowing that.

it is yet to be seen if this is sound or like the pump and dump scam coin.
That is the risk with trading unregulated securities of an online gambling site on an unregistered securities exchange..
hero member
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Using that logic Novacoin (for people who do not know it is some alt premined scam coin but is up like 80,000%) has been a much much better investment.

All I am saying is the amount of bitcoin being poured into SDice is much higher than I ever expected. IF this keeps up in a few years this would have been a good investment.

I never was looking at short term or pump and dump stuff...

The difference, of course, would be that S.DICE has traded worth northwards of 50k BTC at the present price levels, whereas the entire net worth of the scamcoin you use as an example may be 1/10th of that if anyone actually took the prices currently on offer (and nobody does).

In short, 100 tons of bread that have already sold at 2 dollars a loaf is not something to be compared with 1000 tons of worthless paper waiting to be sold at 50 cents a wad. Not even close, not the same ballpark.

Also, seeing how your average involvement with Bitcoin in between disappearances is less than "a few years" at a time, I think it's very unlikely you'll ever meet the goalpost you propose. Not because of S.DICE, but because you'll have in the interim involved yourself in who knows what other scam a la pirate and felt the need to take another break.

You're the only short term thing in this discussion. Remarkable that you'd have the cheek to lie baldfaced like that tho, "I don't go for pump and dump" bs - the consummate scammers working at equivocating between the real article and their crap. It doesn't wash.
vip
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Oh hi Tradefortress.
Oh hi, stopped with the trolling now? Smiley
hero member
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When this was being listed I thought the shares were highly over valued and this was a bad investment. However it seems that demand for this game is as high as ever and the copy cats are not taking much of the market share. If this keeps up this will have been a great investment.

Inasmuch as most shares were originally bought at 30-35 and the price has been over 60 for months now it already has been a great investment.

if you have shares sitting unsold on mpex, do you still get dividends on them?

Absolutely. You get dividends for all shares you hold, be they in your account or on the book. As long as they're yours you get dividends.

if you buy on the last day of the month, do you get the dividends for the entire month? couldn't someone just buy on the last day of the month, get dividends and sell the shares the next day repeatedly?

Yes, they could.

Oh hi Tradefortress.

700,000 wall. are people panic selling?

Happens all the time.

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700,000 wall. are people panic selling?

+1

Did not try to ask. But who/what is this wall?
I would like to invest, but this is kind of strange.

Many people own shares you know.

700,000 wall. are people panic selling?

If there is a wall then they are not panic selling. Panic selling would be selling those shares down into whatever asks are standing.

Which, for the record, happened at least a couple of times, 1 mn shares were notably sold at market a coupla months back taking the price as low as 8 for a couple of hours.

the big whale from last month who spent a lot of coins on S.DICE has disappeared, so profitability will probably go downwards. To sell at 0.6 is a great deal for someone who bought at IPO prices.

Betting / profit has picked up... always does when a chunk of shares need to be moved.



Let's say there's 50-50 odds of someone selling or someone buying, let's say there's 50-50 odds of profit rising or dropping. If you work out the math, half the time profits will be going up when someone's selling or down when someone's buying or whatever. Things happen you know?
vip
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the big whale from last month who spent a lot of coins on S.DICE has disappeared, so profitability will probably go downwards. To sell at 0.6 is a great deal for someone who bought at IPO prices.

Betting / profit has picked up... always does when a chunk of shares need to be moved.


Profit went up about 10%... Not some massive jump.
sr. member
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the big whale from last month who spent a lot of coins on S.DICE has disappeared, so profitability will probably go downwards. To sell at 0.6 is a great deal for someone who bought at IPO prices.
vip
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100 000 000 * .006 = 600 000 * 30 = 18 000 000

Probably one of the bigger investors has decided that S.DICE is not worth $18 million USD and has decided to take some profit.

Rapid BTC price gain combined with the deluge of new shares Erik dumped on us means that the average person will probably realize a BTC loss.
But eh, those BTC are worth more $ now, so if you invested $ using BTC as the conduit, you are still up... just wait for a usagi type to come defend S.DICE as a great investment and explain it.
Unless you're someone who brought at 0.0044 Smiley
hero member
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Maybe it's someone trying to hold down the price of SDICE so they can buy more up.
sr. member
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Probably just someone who bought in cheap and wants to get some BTC and cash out afraid the $30+ price is gonna fall.
hero member
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
700,000 wall. are people panic selling?

If there is a wall then they are not panic selling. Panic selling would be selling those shares down into whatever asks are standing.
hero member
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Hasta la Bitcoin siempre!
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700,000 wall. are people panic selling?

+1

Did not try to ask. But who/what is this wall?
I would like to invest, but this is kind of strange.
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