Topic: [CLOSED] Spondoolies-Tech SP30 pre-order - Specs: 0.69$/GH + 0.46W/GH - page 31. (Read 43030 times)

another pre-order scheme??..... reeaally?

MINERS   stop PRE-ordering from these companies... 

come july 30th lets see where we stand..... if you have rigs in stock, I will buy a boatload.. else, I will buy from other companies that have in stock equipment...

KnC had no problems selling 2 or 3 batches (not sure if CA batch counts as a regular batch or not)  with delivery over 5 months and little updates and nobody complained/thought about difficulty back then. Even now they are offering 3TH for 6k$ and still no clear date except "one month after Batch 2" which would translate to August/September delivery for a much worse $/GH ratio.

preorders are a tough sell now.

  I rather order a sp10 from them and get it in around 1-2 weeks.   

August ship dates are a tough sell.  So many long time for delivery deals have busted out.

I will refrain from making any assumption regarding the difficulty because nobody knows what hashing power will be deployed in the future and i don't want to influence people by telling them that difficulty will be X or Y. Everyone should make take their own decision based on what they find fitted for themselves, but i will only say that a nonstop grow of 15%-20% is unsustainable. If you think that it's not worth buying miners then there are many more like you which means that difficulty will grow at a slower rate than 15%-20%. For me it's simple. I will just give you an example. At 100 billion difficulty and 500$ per BTC having 100TH which consumes 100kW would make you around 3k$ per month that's not taking into consideration the cooling that you will need. Also deploying 100 TH means investing A LOT of money. Who would invest A LOT of money just to make a couple thousand per month? Actually if we take into consideration the cooling i think that you are already in the negative values which means the big growth will stop or slow down very much.

Again, take the difficulty discussions somewhere else please. Don't come here if you post something about difficulty and you get deleted.


If you want to start hashing faster then reserve the spot by sending 0.1 BTC for every unit that you would like to purchase. Spoondolies Tech said that they will respect the reservation queue. Until now they have delivered the units faster than they said and i have a feeling that it will be the case for the August units too. If people speculate about the difficulty behaving the same as it did in the past i see no reason to not believe that Spoondolies Tech won't behave the same regarding shipping

I like those numbers, but I will fence sit.   Make my mind up on the 25th.

I wish the wait was not until August. For hashing.

Your gear appears to be the nicest most professional gear I have seen. I can run 1 unit in house.

i'm sure you will be able to create a whole new thread on the topic.  
actually - please, start a whole new thread and stop interrupting a legitimate group buy. thank you.

I think it might be helpful if you lay out how you think we should think of difficulty because honestly when I plugged the numbers into the calculator that I use I came to a similar conclusion as JWU42.  Pre-order concerns aside that's really the the other thing that would keep me from going with this.

Edit: or even just link to a thread where you think has a good explanation of where the difficulty is headed.

The power consumption at the wall will be ~2500 Watt.

For the SP30, we'll use two 1200 Watt PSUs. We're evaluating:

Emerson              P/N DS1200-3-002
http://www.artesyn.com/power/power-supplies/websheet/401/DS1200
 
 
Murata                 P/N D1U3CS-W-1200-12-HA4C
http://www.murata-ps.com/en/products/ac-dc-power-supplies/1u-front-end/d1u4-w-1200-12-ha1c-6.html

ASIC Power Performance is 0.35 Watt / GH/s

AC2DC derating is ~0.92

DC2DC derating is ~0.85

Fans will consume ~60 Watt

(2500 - 60) * 0.92 * 0.85 / 0.35 = ~5.45 TH/s

The spec of the SP30 is 5.4 TH/s +- 10%

Yes send 0.1 BTC now for every units that you would like to purchase. The full payment date will be either after we hit the 250 units mark or 4 days after Friday 25th if there are less than 250 units sold. Spoondolies Tech will give you more details about the power consumption.


I haven't deleted your post just to keep it for history so that i can laugh at you in the next year. Thank you for staying away. Good luck mining!

Posting anything that questions the economic viability of a proposal is trolling 

I'll certainly stay away as requested 

Please don't troll this thread. Thinking that the difficulty will raise nonstop with 15% is simply unreal and it's bad intended. There are other threads where you can speculate about the difficulty, but this is not the place and i won't allow it.I will just add that considering that the SP30 will be the most efficient miner starting from August it means that you will be able to mine for a longer period of time than the whole 50000TH/s that is plugged in right now supporting the Bitcoin Network. I don't want to continue this discussion and i will delete all further posts about it. Take it to another thread!

I'm in.
Will send you my details shortly.

so I send .1 btc now to commit for an AUG 1 MACHINE?  the machine runs at 5.4 th and pulls 2500-3000 watts?

what is the watts?    I can do a lot of math projections.  but I need the watts for this machine>

Does it have 2 psu's

I have the ability to use 2x 20 amp  120 volt lines.

What does each psu pull 1200 watts or 1500 watts  each?

I would hopefully get this machine for 4500usd  since I can show many asic orders.

I need 3 numbers

 price 4500 usd I have that.
 hash   5.4 th    I have that.
 watts          I need that.
 delivery date due ? I need that.
 full payment date due I need that.

here is  very simple number setup

500 usd a coin


 diff of 106 mill th   vs 7 mill th

5.4th hash

    those numbers mean the machine earns 12 bucks a day. so if you pull 3k for power that is 24 k a day at 20 cents is 5 bucks

so the profit each day is 7 usd a day.



once you are at the 107 diff mark.

 buying this machine and waiting until aug to hash is  a mad stupid move to do.

for .92 btc you can be hashing at 200 gh with an ant miner s-1 in 3-5 days.   I am using .92 btc as I include a psu you will need to buy.

the wait until aug does not work. you are looking to buy a machine that won't make money due to the long wait.

Preorders would not make sense at 4500usd and aug if the machine used 1000 watts.



 

Caveat Emptor -- http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=6978842650&dcosts=4995&diff_mincrease=15&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=5400000&diff_mincreasedecrease=0.5&btcusd=453.80&dpowcon=2500&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0.115&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=9&action=calc#

This is with modest 15% diff increase (it will be 20% or more).

Show me the senior community members that vouched for any given ASIC company and also dedicated a lot of their time unmasking shady companies like i did. I got involved in almost all new threads from new companies from the ex Custom Hardware sub-forum(just Hardware now). Also when something seemed fishy for me i acted like here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/kslaughter-and-zumzero-from-actm-and-vmc-are-deleting-legitimate-posts-253282

There is a reason why i didn't get involved in CoinTerra, HashFail and Bitmine.ch (to name just the big pre-order names). I have Jupiters and Burnin's avalon boards (and now a SP10 too). Call it what you want, but my tracking record was very good up until now. I intend to keep my record good.

Spoondolies Tech already paid for 2(two) chips masks before taking any upfront money and as i said in my second post here having a good supply chain requires money upfront for various things starting from the components themselves up until everyone handling the packaging and the paper work. They received $5.5m funding and they ran 9 months before coming here on the forums with a final and working products that only had to be assembled to be shipped. Show me a single company that sustained itself for 9 months before taking any money.

Also as i stated in my second post i do have one SP10 hashing right now and i'm impressed by the quality of the whole product. They also have the best packaging that i saw as stated here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6097517 The almighty KnC doesn't even come close regarding the attention to detail that Spoondolies Tech has for its launched product or it's customers. Their new 28nm chips are simply their 40nm chips reduced to 28nm. You can't get easier work than that and they will have the chips early in July. They will have plenty of time to prepare things up for August products. Show me another vendor that is so open to requests like Spoondolies has been since their first announcements. All vendors treat you with silence when they feel. This is not the case.


Still less than KnC's datacenter funded by customers money.

Thats a crazy amount of hash coming online if you sell out!

No offence but if you go back and look you can pretty much find a senior community member vouching for any given ASIC company at one point or another.  It really isn't about trust it's about who bares the risk of problems.  Pre-ordering transfers the risk from the company to the customer.  The only circumstance under which I would commit to buying a miner for X price with Y delivery date in the future is if the company agreed that the price would be adjusted if the performance or the delivery date deviated and all funds were held by a trusted third party escrow.  Until the product was shipped.

What makes you think this is any different than every other pre-order where everything is great until there is just a little problem that delays everything by a month or 10 and the company keeps all the profits while the customer takes all the losses?

Drop an e-mail to [email protected] and ask them. They are very helpful and open and should be able to help you somehow.

i like know about customs for europe?
wht value put ?

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