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Almost all the long existing and the newbie of the forum knew Nitro and I believed to posted this message because of the accusation made by the user game protect which have been false and baseless accusation about gambling site for years now.
What accusatios against what casinos are false and baseless?
You can tell me because the answer to your is all written on the red trust giving to you by people like Rhavar,Stunna, Suchmoon etc.
Wait a second! You claim that I made false accusations against casinos, but you are not able to deliver proof of your claim?

Instead of delivering proof of your claim, you demand from me to deliver proof of something I never did?

Are you mentally ill?
newbie
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Evening all,

Damn, I take a couple of days off and suddenly everything is on fire when I get back!  Wink

AGD815 - I’ve spoken to our teams and they are confident in our findings when it comes to the player you contacted us about. The account was logged in to from multiple countries within minutes, and unless he’s discovered a way to teleport then it’s a clear case of VPN usage.

As I’ve stressed before, and despite the player trying to mislead us with claims of travel, we still allowed all deposits to be reclaimed before closing the account. I understand you are unhappy with this decision, but continuing to make threats of legal action and negative PR campaigns will not change this decision.

Youngamericandream - After investigating further our teams are confident that a VPN was used to bypass our territory restrictions. If you can provide evidence that disproves this then we should be able to get the whole issue settled very quickly.



Ronnie @ Cloudbet

Hello, Ronnie. From today it is impossible to get to Your website from the Netherlands and Australia have you restricted these territories too ? You write about the ban on VPN but You played a lot of players from Russia as far as I know in Russia You do not restrict, but the Internet providers of Russia blocked Your website from Russia without VPN it is not possible to get. I play you more than a year through the VPN I'm from Russia and no one forbade me to put You. How to be players from Russia ? Your position about VPN for players from Russia ?
sr. member
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I have used sports book and a bit of slots  at Cloudbet for 4/5 months, based in Australia. Probably lost .4/.5 btc overall. Small ball regular small deposit but I enjoy micro sports bets for interest. Was playin a slot a few hours ago had only about .002 btc in account (lol) went to exit the slot and got error message saying Australia is restricted territory so I’m blocked. Had about .002 bal and about .002 pending bets and now locked out, no warning. Confused as didn’t know Australia banned obviously as no problem betting depositing etc. have mentioned to support I’m in Australia multiple times and told all good initially when signing up. Small amount but what the hell

You should ask all bitcoin that you lost betting there, cause they said they will refund if betting from restricted country.

We will see if they will lie again (probably will).
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Almost all the long existing and the newbie of the forum knew Nitro and I believed to posted this message because of the accusation made by the user game protect which have been false and baseless accusation about gambling site for years now.
What accusatios against what casinos are false and baseless?
You can tell me because the answer to your is all written on the red trust giving to you by people like Rhavar,Stunna, Suchmoon etc.

Besides, this was the reason behind his red trust issue and if you check the red trust was giving to him by reputable members of this forum.
The trust of who did I breach and how? Why are blatant liars reputable members of this forum?
I have no reason to lie or say things which are not genuine. As I said earlier the answer is glaring and all written on your trust.

However, I am surprised with the message been posted about cloudbet but we have to wait till will confirm everything.
The Cloudbet scam money owed? surprises you? Did you live behind the moon within the past years?

No, neither will I believe every accusations which was make or supported by you if I dont any genuine evidence to proof the accusation were truth. However, the cloud bet representative is still responding to every question the accuser asked and I believe you need to make things hard for the both parties because the forum staff have already intervene into the situation.



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Do we expect to hear from cloudbet team ?
Did you ask me? I do not know. I'm not connected with Cloudbet and do not have any contacts with them.
newbie
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I have used sports book and a bit of slots  at Cloudbet for 4/5 months, based in Australia. Probably lost .4/.5 btc overall. Small ball regular small deposit but I enjoy micro sports bets for interest. Was playin a slot a few hours ago had only about .002 btc in account (lol) went to exit the slot and got error message saying Australia is restricted territory so I’m blocked. Had about .002 bal and about .002 pending bets and now locked out, no warning. Confused as didn’t know Australia banned obviously as no problem betting depositing etc. have mentioned to support I’m in Australia multiple times and told all good initially when signing up. Small amount but what the hell
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@ youngamericandream

AGD815 did not do his due dilligence, referred you to the publicly proven Cloudbet scam and has to compensate your damage! Wink

Game Protect you clown. I don’t even know Young American. Gtfo.

Hey.

You seem to be a bit new here. Look at game protect trust rating.

it simply means you should ignore the guy. That's all you need to do Wink

cheers

Good call. I think for the rest of us used to it, we know which users are just spamming their service (which itself has a lot of trust ratings),,, and which are actually trying to help. The guy is almost in every thread just not being very helpful.

Back to topic though, why is Cloudbet not saying there the company is? I thought they already said their license is from Montenegro?
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If you PM me with a email addy I can send you the transcript directly.
Thank you but it is not needed. I think it is very important to attach screenshots along with the text, because screenshots is more trusted evidence.

Do we expect to hear from cloudbet team ?
Several complaints are in the just last few time.
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If you PM me with a email addy I can send you the transcript directly.
Thank you but it is not needed. I think it is very important to attach screenshots along with the text, because screenshots is more trusted evidence.
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Guys,

This has gotten very scammy and fishy. I just asked Lilly on chat what cloudbets adresss was. She refused to give me a address.

I then asked her what country cloudbet was located in and she wouldn’t even tell me that.


This is normal for shady companies operating illegally. And cloudbet seem borderline shady to me. The amounts involved are mind boggling, they owe someone on askgamblers 330 bitcoins: https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/cloudbet-casino-delayed-330-btc-payment

they also refuse to pay 38 btc to one of my friend. he lost lots of money and when he earn once they show their real face. and they get a report from evolution gaming just telling he used the roullette interface to save his bets.

this is the dispute he has written by his words. :

 I have been playing at Cloudbet since September 2018 and never had issues, but this time I had and nobody replies besides the casino marketing guy through WhatsApp and every time he says something else.

But there is some shady thing that i want to mention. Here is what happened. I play Live Roulette game from January 11th until 14th. 95% I lose since September. Anyone knows the game, will agree, that it's really hard to win. Anyway, after I played long hours I had 38 BTC and I requested withdraw. My account is suspended.

PLEASE SEE ATTACHED PROOFS!
Player Risk Analysis Report from EvolutionGaming
Screenshots with all representatives from Cloudbet

First of all, this report was prepared on Jan 20th, when i contacted them on Jan 25th they told me they still waiting for the report. They sent me the report yesterday which is 28th.

Second, the report says that I played from saved bets, which is correct because the platform gives you an option to save your bets and play, or you can play repeat bets. If you play like that and win they tell you this is not the right way to play Smiley SO WHY DO YOU HAVE THIS OPTION ON YOUR PLATFORM?

Third, the report says that I placed my bets from saved bets average of 4 seconds before the ball dropped which might be correct but again, the platform let you bet after they span the ball, so if you don't want the player play like that why do you have that option on the game.

Fourth, when they made this report they are stating Cloudbet that they will keep watching my actions and asking Cloudbet let them know if they want to block my account. So in another word they don't know my account was blocked on the day of withdraw. So Cloudbet blocking the account and waits for couple days and then take actions and find excuses not to pay. I think they get the winning from the casinos and gain some time and never pay the big winning.

Fifth, the report states that I opened the account on Sep. 25th, 2018, but they analyze only from Jan 11-14th. If they go back and analyze all my play from Sep. 25th - Jan. 14th, they will see that I always play the same way and I have been loosing.
So in reality if there is a software how i have been loosing...
I really want to thank to this website to be our (victims) voice!
I did not cheat nor used any software, I am a businessman and I like to gamble, but this is stealing.


PLEASE SHARE WITH EVERYONE YOU KNOW ABOUT CLOUDBET.COM SCAM!

DO NOT RISK YOUR MONEY because even if you win you will never get it.

CLOUDBET.COM trick people, I think they get the winnings from the casinos and then block your account.
If there is software like that, how come I have been loosing?

Please DON'T insult people! If you will check the history you will see how I have been playing.
Again thank you for this website and everyone who is responded and shared my concern!

38 BTC it is a lot of money and this is not profit. Only that day I deposit more than 11 BTC to that account to play and after I got lucky I ended up withdrawing 38 BTC.

P.S: i will uplod risk report and chat pics
legendary
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@ youngamericandream

AGD815 did not do his due dilligence, referred you to the publicly proven Cloudbet scam and has to compensate your damage! Wink

Game Protect you clown. I don’t even know Young American. Gtfo.

Hey.

You seem to be a bit new here. Look at game protect trust rating.

it simply means you should ignore the guy. That's all you need to do Wink

cheers
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Chat Transcript with Sam
Chat started on 03 Feb 2019, 04:13 PM (GMT+0)
(04:13:31)   *** Sam joined the chat ***
(04:13:31)   Sam: Hi I have a question
(04:13:57)   Sam: I emailed support and haven’t heard back
(04:14:05)   *** Lily joined the chat ***
(04:14:25)   Sam: we spoke earlier
(04:14:25)   Lily: Hello Sam
(04:15:17)   Lily: I remember our conversation and the info you sent. I've passed all of this information to the team and I was informed thta they shoudl be in touch with you as soon as it's possible.
(04:15:47)   Sam: Ok. What’s cloudbets office address/contact info
(04:16:15)   Lily: The only address I am allowed to share with you is our email address I'm afraid.
(04:16:39)   Sam: Where is cloudbet located?
(04:17:00)   Sam: What country
(04:17:49)   Lily: Cloudbet is an online betting platform with a license issued in Montenegro.
(04:18:14)   Sam: I mean what country is cloudbet offices in
(04:18:38)   Lily: I'm very sorry, but this is the information I am not allowed to provide on chat
(04:18:53)   Sam: You can’t tell me the country?
(04:18:58)   Lily: You could email us with these questions.
(04:19:16)   Sam: is that a joke? Why can’t you tell me the country
(04:19:36)   Lily: We are not allowed to provide such information.
(04:19:43)   Sam: Wow
(04:19:56)   Sam: they will tell me in a email?
(04:20:07)   Lily: Yes, of course.
(04:22:02)   Lily: I'd advise you to email us and we;ll try to our best to answer all of your questions.
(04:22:11)   *** Sam left the chat ***
Can you attach screenshots please?
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Guys,

This has gotten very scammy and fishy. I just asked Lilly on chat what cloudbets adresss was. She refused to give me a address.

I then asked her what country cloudbet was located in and she wouldn’t even tell me that.


This is normal for shady companies operating illegally. And cloudbet seem borderline shady to me. The amounts involved are mind boggling, they owe someone on askgamblers 330 bitcoins: https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/cloudbet-casino-delayed-330-btc-payment
legendary
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@ mindtrust

The mistake you made there is a huge difference between Halcyon Holding BV and Halcyon Super Holdings BV!

Ireland, Netherlands and US is without Super.

Is cloudbet's country of origin a mystery?

I see you are offering services against the casino scams for the players you should know about these information better than any of us.

If they can force KYC on the players then their company information should be accessible but I can't seem to find anything about "Halcyon Super Holdings B.V."

Also they claim that they are licensed by E-Gambling Montenegro and Curaçao (a Caribbean country) eGaming. Maybe contacting them would lead to some answers.
legendary
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Better remove KYC for future. OR insist KYC before signing up. It is a huge problem for other casinos as you can see.

As much as I'd like to see them doing it, it is probably not an option. As far as I know cloudbet is company from Ireland and I recently read in the forum that in the Netherlands KYC is not forced. (This still needs a confirmation) It seems like the only way out of this is to move the company from Ireland to somewhere else where they don't care about KYC. Otherwise, KYC will stay.
How do you know that Fraudbet is from Ireland? Any proof?


It was easy.

The footer of the website says:

"Copyright © 2019, Halcyon Super Holdings B.V. All rights reserved."


I did a quick search on google and found this:

Quote
Registered office address
37 Dargan Road, Fortwilliam Business Park, Belfast, Northern Ireland, BT3 9LZ
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/NI635852

But now you mentioned it I dug a bit more and found another 2 companies with the same name and one of them is from the US and the other is from the Netherlands.

https://www.bloomberg.com/profiles/companies/8987694Z:NA-halcyon-holding-bv
Corporate Information
Address:
Goolkatenweg 55
Enschede, 7521 BE
Netherlands

https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=62070237
8455 Beverly Boulevard Penthouse
Los Angeles, CA 90048
United States


At this point I am not sure which one is cloudbet. Taking a wild guess, it is probably the one in the Netherlands because it has "BV" on its name. The others don't.
legendary
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Better remove KYC for future. OR insist KYC before signing up. It is a huge problem for other casinos as you can see.

As much as I'd like to see them doing it, it is probably not an option. As far as I know cloudbet is company from Ireland and I recently read in the forum that in the Netherlands KYC is not forced. (This still needs a confirmation) It seems like the only way out of this is to move the company from Ireland to somewhere else where they don't care about KYC. Otherwise, KYC will stay.
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Full disclosure before I comment. I am not a player at cloudbet. But I am a player in a pool for sports (English football) which they are sponsoring. I have from my observations seen the reputation of cloudbet as a good sportsbook with customer support that is responsive. However, these latest series of accusations are beginning to wear down the site.

My advice as a third party observer to Cloubet. Better remove KYC for future. OR insist KYC before signing up. It is a huge problem for other casinos as you can see.
sr. member
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Evening all,

Damn, I take a couple of days off and suddenly everything is on fire when I get back!  Wink



This Ronnie is really a funny guy. He's always on a holiday or took some days off when something like this happen.

But we've seen all Scambet lies.



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Youngamericandream - After investigating further our teams are confident that a VPN was used to bypass our territory restrictions. If you can provide evidence that disproves this then we should be able to get the whole issue settled very quickly.

The solution to these type of issues can be summed up pretty easily - if you are a resident of a country that we cannot offer our services to (USA, UK, Hong Kong, Singapore) then please don’t create an account at Cloudbet using a VPN to bypass our systems. There are plenty of alternatives out there who will happily accept players from those territories and you wont run the risk of having your account closed and bets voided.
Wait a second scam artist Ronnie, when your security software detected that different IP addresses logged in within minutes, why did not it block the account?

Because,

1) If player loses everything is fine

2) If player wins, there is suddenly the need to check the identity even though you already know that several IP addresses were used!


Your terms prohibit the use of VPN, but when you detect it and let him knowingly continue, then letting him play is valid and not what your terms say.

If a bank has a deposit limit of $10,000 in the terms and I ask to deposit $20,000 and they take it, then the $20,000 deposit is valid and they can not afterwards confiscate $10,000 with claiming that the terms state a $10,000 deposit limit.

I trust everyone with a decent brain is able to understand what I explained and see what a shady bastard Ronnie is!

However, if you were too lazy to put "cloudbet scam" into google, GP still can assist you enforcing your money. Smiley

I agree. This is exactly what happens with me.

I have been playing at Cloudbet since September 2018 and never had issues, but this time I had and nobody replies besides the casino marketing guy through WhatsApp and every time he says something else.

But there is some shady thing that I want to mention. Here is what happened. I play Live Roulette game from January 11th until 14th. 95% I lose since September 20. Anyone knows the game, will agree, that it's really hard to win. Anyway, after I played long hours I had 38 BTC and I requested withdraw. My account is suspended.

PLEASE SEE ATTACHED PROOFS!
1. Player Risk Analysis Report from EvolutionGaming (PDF file is here: https://ufile.io/mfj78)
2. Screenshots with all representatives from Cloudbet (52 images: https://imgur.com/a/5ZxWgDY)

First of all, this report was prepared on Jan 20th, when I contacted them on Jan 25th they told me they still waiting for the report. They sent me the report yesterday which is 28th.
Second, the report says that I played from saved bets, which is correct because the platform gives you an option to save your bets and play, or you can play repeat bets. If you play like that and win they tell you this is not the right way to play Smiley SO WHY DO YOU HAVE THIS OPTION ON YOUR PLATFORM?
Third, the report says that I placed my bets from saved bets average of 4 seconds before the ball dropped which might be correct but again, the platform lets you bet after they span the ball, so if you don't want the player play like that why do you have that option on the game.
Fourth, when they made this report they are stating Cloudbet that they will keep watching my actions and asking Cloudbet let them know if they want to block my account. So, in other words, they don't know my account was blocked on the day of withdrawing. So Cloudbet blocking the account and waits for couple days and then take actions and find excuses not to pay. I think they get the winning from the casinos and gain some time and never pay the big winning.
Fifth, the report states that I opened the account on Sep. 25th, 2018, but they analyze only from Jan 11-14th. If they go back and analyze all my play from Sep. 25th - Jan. 14th, they will see that I always play the same way and I have been loosing.

So in reality, if there is software how I have been loosing...
I really want to thank this page to be our (victims) voice!
I did not cheat nor used any software, I am a businessman and I like to gamble, but this is stealing.


PLEASE SHARE WITH EVERYONE YOU KNOW ABOUT CLOUDBET.COM SCAM!  Angry  Angry  Angry

DO NOT RISK YOUR MONEY because even if you win you will never get it.

CLOUDBET.COM trick people, I think they get the winnings from the casinos and then block your account.
If there is software like that, how come I have been loosing?

Please DON'T insult people! If you will check the history you will see how I have been playing.


38 BTC it is a lot of money and this is not profit. Only that day I deposit more than 11 BTC to that account to play and after I got lucky I ended up withdrawing 38 BTC.

<<<< TIMELINE >>>>

<< January 13th >> - I deposited 11 BTC into my account on cloudbet.com
<< January 14th >> - Cloudbet sent me an email and asked the ID and some documents and I sent them right away, since then they tell me, our security team is an investigation.
<< January 15th >> - My account is suspended. I had a chat on Cloudbet.com with Lily. She said that I will get verified in a few days. That this is their standard procedure. When I asked about my account she said: «Your account is suspended for the period of verification, but your funds are safe with us. I am very sorry for all the inconveniences you’re dealing with. From my side, I’ll leave a note for the team regarding your request and will try to do my best to help you get your request solved as quickly as possible.»
All my withdrawals have been canceled and my balance is $38.3441 BTC.
<< January 20th >> - Received a player risk analysis report from EvolutionGaming. The report issued: 20th of January 2019.
<< January 24th >> - I contacted a customer support chat again with Molly and ask for an update. Molly: «I have looked into your ticket, and I can confirm, that your account has not yet been fully verified, in scenarios like this we request our game provider to check the winnings. Sadly they are overloaded with requests and have not yet gotten back to us.».
To my questions «Why?» «How long it will take?» Molly replied: «I can’t give you an answer on that as the accounts are being investigated by our Player Safety team, it is completely out of my reach, unfortunately. I’m afraid I cannot give you a time frame on this, it depends when the game providers will be able to get back to us again.»
<< January 25th >> - I contacted a customer support chat again with Matthew and ask for an update. I got the same answer as Molly told me yesterday.
<< January 28th >> - Contacted Molly on the chat at Cloudbet.com. I told her that I contacted Casino marketing guy and Andy told me that reports are ready! Molly’s reply: «The investigation was conducted by the game provider, where an in-depth analysis was conducted. The email from Andy is our final decision on the matter, as such, I have no further information to offer. The balance on the account has been confiscated. It means that your account will stay closed and funds frozen». When I asked, «Frozen means you keep the funds?» The chat joined Steve, and he replied «The funds on the account, as they were accumulated again our terms have been removed from the account. As such, your account has a 0.00 balance and will remain closed. This is our final decision on the matter.»

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Evening all,

Damn, I take a couple of days off and suddenly everything is on fire when I get back!  Wink

AGD815 - I’ve spoken to our teams and they are confident in our findings when it comes to the player you contacted us about. The account was logged in to from multiple countries within minutes, and unless he’s discovered a way to teleport then it’s a clear case of VPN usage.

As I’ve stressed before, and despite the player trying to mislead us with claims of travel, we still allowed all deposits to be reclaimed before closing the account. I understand you are unhappy with this decision, but continuing to make threats of legal action and negative PR campaigns will not change this decision.

Youngamericandream - After investigating further our teams are confident that a VPN was used to bypass our territory restrictions. If you can provide evidence that disproves this then we should be able to get the whole issue settled very quickly.

The solution to these type of issues can be summed up pretty easily - if you are a resident of a country that we cannot offer our services to (USA, UK, Hong Kong, Singapore) then please don’t create an account at Cloudbet using a VPN to bypass our systems. There are plenty of alternatives out there who will happily accept players from those territories and you wont run the risk of having your account closed and bets voided.

Feels weird encouraging people to sign up with our competitors, but hey, it needed to be said.

Angry0ne - I’ve been told this is a known issue that is being worked on, we have had a couple of similar reports via this thread and I’ve been passing on all the details to the teams dealing with the problem. I’m hoping to get an update on progress soon, and I’ll PM you and post here when I do.

VINSIN - I'm part of the Social and Community team at Cloudbet, and it's usually just me using this account on BCT. Peter might sometimes jump on to cover downtime or post something specific, but he signs off as himself so you always know who you are speaking to.

Thanks,

Ronnie @ Cloudbet
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