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Topic: CoinMarketCap.com - Market Cap Rankings of All Cryptocurrencies! - page 99. (Read 639542 times)

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When Bitcoin appeared only a couple of people were mining it and everybody seems to be ok with that. Meanwhile, Bytecoin was mined by hundreds.  Thoughts?

Im just so puzzled cuz...2 year history, expanding mining teams,  strong developers.... seems like everything is ok but then coin appears on site as "significantly premined" and trolls flood the thread.... wtf?

Can you not at least pretend to be different people instead of the same idiot running troll accounts? You write like a Russian with a poor grasp of proper English grammatical constructs, and you use the same acronyms and linguistic style for everything. Obvious shills are obvious.
sr. member
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Merit: 265
Hey @rethink-your-strategy, I got some facts for you too.

FACT: Blockchain started in 2012.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5950616

FACT: Coin started in deep web and then migrated to the open web that's why there is not Bytecoin_2012 website 
http://ol346fucnsjru223.onion/ - TOR only

FACT: Bytecoin dev's are THE MOST active and contributive and last updates (with blockchain/API changes).
http://www.reddit.com/r/BytecoinBCN/comments/28nmic/major_bytecoin_update/

FACT: 82% of BCN is in hands of A LOT of people and pump-and-dump is out of the question.
http://www.reddit.com/r/BytecoinBCN/comments/27gk62/bytecoin_bcn_mining_teams_20122014/

Would love to see proofs for your facts, since for now it's just unfounded accusations.
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Activity: 78
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When Bitcoin appeared only a couple of people were mining it and everybody seems to be ok with that. Meanwhile, Bytecoin was mined by hundreds.  Thoughts?

Im just so puzzled cuz...2 year history, expanding mining teams,  strong developers.... seems like everything is ok but then coin appears on site as "significantly premined" and trolls flood the thread.... wtf?
newbie
Activity: 61
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Bytecoin's two stars have to be removed.

along with this rethink-your-strategy dude.

Those stars are unfair Sad

and the dude is annoying as hell. Angry

newbie
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From my point of view, what does stand behind ''premine'' everyone understands in their own way. There is only general features to refer to this definition. I can refer even Bitcoin to this definition as I was out of the game till recently.

When Bitcoin appeared only a couple of people were mining it and everybody seems to be ok with that. Meanwhile, Bytecoin was mined by hundreds.  Thoughts?
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Activity: 147
Merit: 10
In every launch of any coin, I am sure, you'll find a dev team behind a coin with a significant amount of coins
BTW, if we knew about XMR launch we didn't know for a while about an optimizer they created to mine lots of coins for themselves . But there's no stars to mark there was instamine.

+1  to remove the premine designation

From my point of view, what does stand behind ''premine'' everyone understands in their own way. There is only general features to refer to this definition. I can refer even Bitcoin to this definition as I was out of the game till recently.

Unless there's no evidence to tell it's 100% ''premine'' I advise to remove designation , otherwise, there should be lots of coins to be marked by 2 stars on the basis of someone's beliefs

ABSOLUTELY!!!
IMHO, to we follow your logic when  2 stars must be added to XMR too

My view is that there shouldn't be any designation unless the coin was premined and premining was confirmed. Otherwise, as I've told, there shouldn't be any premine designation which  can mislead those miners who know little
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Activity: 170
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In every launch of any coin, I am sure, you'll find a dev team behind a coin with a significant amount of coins
BTW, if we knew about XMR launch we didn't know for a while about an optimizer they created to mine lots of coins for themselves . But there's no stars to mark there was instamine.

+1  to remove the premine designation

From my point of view, what does stand behind ''premine'' everyone understands in their own way. There is only general features to refer to this definition. I can refer even Bitcoin to this definition as I was out of the game till recently.

Unless there's no evidence to tell it's 100% ''premine'' I advise to remove designation , otherwise, there should be lots of coins to be marked by 2 stars on the basis of someone's beliefs

ABSOLUTELY!!!
IMHO, to we follow your logic when  2 stars must be added to XMR too
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
Its nice finally seeing Bytecoin on coinmarket. I think Bytecoin and its devs deserve it.  But these two "stars of shame" is something they dont deserve. Please, fix it.
member
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We've played this game already, fuck face.

The Bytecoin website DID NOT FUCKING EXIST until February:

Wow, you're so mad. Let's at least try to be polite with each other. The thing is, none of your posts make me want to rethink-my-strategy. It makes me think that just some rude fat troll came here to talk shit about Bytecoin.
newbie
Activity: 30
Merit: 0
We've played this game already, fuck face.
Be polite, kid. I was polite with you so it would be nice if you won't act like a stupid child. Because i don't want waste my time continuing my conversation with a mad kid.
newbie
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IMO, it's Monero guys who are  pumpers and FUDsters. Monero's guys understand that they would never be as good as BCN for a simple reason - Monero is only a fork. Only BCN devs have enough skills and knowledge about cryptonote tech to make improvements. So, Monero's guys can only copy BCN devs ideas and gossip about ''premining''
I really don't want to blame somebody, but your point of view can be right. Why not?
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1000
I think you're wrong here. Even CryptoNote developers said the BCN team exists since 2012 (https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11&start=10).
And have you seen my research of BCN blockchain?  Have a look: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7467098 . A lot of people used Bytecoin from the beggining! 

For sure Bytecoin devs have a lot of coin, but gossips about the 80% in their hands are ridiculous.   

Hey fuckface - again, we're not stupid. You're using AN ACCOUNT YOU BOUGHT.

Reference: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/repaid-i-want-to-short-20btc-until-january.67496/#post-1142765 (reference to flower1024's domain / site)

Note on that domain: http://k1024.de/accountsold.txt

"bitcointalk account flower1024 sold. new account name: onemorebtc"

You're just digging yourself a hole that is deeper and deeper.

FACT: Bytecoin was a bad attempt at covering up a premine

FACT: Bytecoin has a completely fabricated blockchain

FACT: Bytecoin has 82% of the coins in control of people we don't know

FACT: Bytecoin's blockchain was not observed by anyone who is well known or trusted

FACT: Bytecoin has plenty of advocates...unfortunately they're all newbs who don't count, or bought accounts

FACT: Bytecoin's website (and CryptoNote's) did not exist till the end of last year (same as the CryptoNote whitepaper)

Agreed.

I'm not a hater of XMR of any kind but this is getting out of hands. Literally in every CN-related topic there are XMR people FUDing BCN. And their arguments are not bulletproof to say the least.

Anyway, I think XMR doing a great job promoting CN in it's community but FUD is not a good thing to do.

I'm not "XMR people", I'm an independent observer who is tired of seeing all the bullshit posts from accounts that have been purchased. Nobody cares about your shilling.

lol this is nice. Wink

looks like the site got hacked. i was not even aware that there was some text documents on the site.
hero member
Activity: 770
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I think you're wrong here. Even CryptoNote developers said the BCN team exists since 2012 (https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11&start=10).
And have you seen my research of BCN blockchain?  Have a look: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7467098 . A lot of people used Bytecoin from the beggining!  

For sure Bytecoin devs have a lot of coin, but gossips about the 80% in their hands are ridiculous.  

Hey fuckface - again, we're not stupid. You're using AN ACCOUNT YOU BOUGHT.

Reference: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/repaid-i-want-to-short-20btc-until-january.67496/#post-1142765 (reference to flower1024's domain / site)

Note on that domain: http://k1024.de/accountsold.txt

"bitcointalk account flower1024 sold. new account name: onemorebtc"

You're just digging yourself a hole that is deeper and deeper.

FACT: Bytecoin was a bad attempt at covering up a premine

FACT: Bytecoin has a completely fabricated blockchain

FACT: Bytecoin has 82% of the coins in control of people we don't know

FACT: Bytecoin's blockchain was not observed by anyone who is well known or trusted

FACT: Bytecoin has plenty of advocates...unfortunately they're all newbs who don't count, or bought accounts

FACT: Bytecoin's website (and CryptoNote's) did not exist till the end of last year (same as the CryptoNote whitepaper)

Agreed.

I'm not a hater of XMR of any kind but this is getting out of hands. Literally in every CN-related topic there are XMR people FUDing BCN. And their arguments are not bulletproof to say the least.

Anyway, I think XMR doing a great job promoting CN in it's community but FUD is not a good thing to do.

I'm not "XMR people", I'm an independent observer who is tired of seeing all the bullshit posts from accounts that have been purchased. Nobody cares about your shilling.

First of all, no one of you can tell it's ''premine'' - there's no official source that can tell it's premine without doubt!
According to coinssource its unknown fact still I am sure it wasn't premined as I've made some researches which confirm the statement.

In the second, your ''facts'' are statement without evidence.
1) There are people who express their own opinions
2) No evidence
3) Do you know people who hold a significant amount of Bitcoins? Or Litecoin? or Dogecoin? That's because of anonymity the coins provide
4) Am I get you right - if someone well known tell you to believe whatever they tell , you'd believe?
There were lots of people who believes Mark Karpeles and where is MTgox now?? and Mark?
5) Bytecoin has plenty of enemies who can only FUD Bytecoin
6) Do not merge Whitepaper and Bytecoin. Even CN devs told that whitepaper was published a lot after BCN launch.

So, as there's no evidence, I insist on removing stars,  Gliss!


IMO, it's Monero guys who are  pumpers and FUDsters. Monero's guys understand that they would never be as good as BCN for a simple reason - Monero is only a fork. Only BCN devs have enough skills and knowledge about cryptonote tech to make improvements. So, Monero's guys can only copy BCN devs ideas and gossip about ''premining''

You do realize that there is proof Bytecoin was premined over 85%....Uhm the blockchain..you can see all past mined blocks, and over 85% of bytecoins total supply have been mined before it was made public aka Bytecoin has a 85% premine There's simply no argueing with that, as the bytecoin blockchain is proof! Also the "public" Bytecoin miner was not working for a long time, but blocks were still being mined AKA a handful of people were getting the majority of Bytecoins from their own private miner, and now that handful of people own over 85% of all Bytecoins...
member
Activity: 101
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In every launch of any coin, I am sure, you'll find a dev team behind a coin with a significant amount of coins
BTW, if we knew about XMR launch we didn't know for a while about an optimizer they created to mine lots of coins for themselves . But there's no stars to mark there was instamine.

+1  to remove the premine designation

From my point of view, what does stand behind ''premine'' everyone understands in their own way. There is only general features to refer to this definition. I can refer even Bitcoin to this definition as I was out of the game till recently.

Unless there's no evidence to tell it's 100% ''premine'' I advise to remove designation , otherwise, there should be lots of coins to be marked by 2 stars on the basis of someone's beliefs
member
Activity: 170
Merit: 10
In every launch of any coin, I am sure, you'll find a dev team behind a coin with a significant amount of coins
BTW, if we knew about XMR launch we didn't know for a while about an optimizer they created to mine lots of coins for themselves . But there's no stars to mark there was instamine.

+1  to remove the premine designation
member
Activity: 147
Merit: 10
I think you're wrong here. Even CryptoNote developers said the BCN team exists since 2012 (https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11&start=10).
And have you seen my research of BCN blockchain?  Have a look: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7467098 . A lot of people used Bytecoin from the beggining!  

For sure Bytecoin devs have a lot of coin, but gossips about the 80% in their hands are ridiculous.  

Hey fuckface - again, we're not stupid. You're using AN ACCOUNT YOU BOUGHT.

Reference: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/repaid-i-want-to-short-20btc-until-january.67496/#post-1142765 (reference to flower1024's domain / site)

Note on that domain: http://k1024.de/accountsold.txt

"bitcointalk account flower1024 sold. new account name: onemorebtc"

You're just digging yourself a hole that is deeper and deeper.

FACT: Bytecoin was a bad attempt at covering up a premine

FACT: Bytecoin has a completely fabricated blockchain

FACT: Bytecoin has 82% of the coins in control of people we don't know

FACT: Bytecoin's blockchain was not observed by anyone who is well known or trusted

FACT: Bytecoin has plenty of advocates...unfortunately they're all newbs who don't count, or bought accounts

FACT: Bytecoin's website (and CryptoNote's) did not exist till the end of last year (same as the CryptoNote whitepaper)

Agreed.

I'm not a hater of XMR of any kind but this is getting out of hands. Literally in every CN-related topic there are XMR people FUDing BCN. And their arguments are not bulletproof to say the least.

Anyway, I think XMR doing a great job promoting CN in it's community but FUD is not a good thing to do.

I'm not "XMR people", I'm an independent observer who is tired of seeing all the bullshit posts from accounts that have been purchased. Nobody cares about your shilling.

First of all, no one of you can tell it's ''premine'' - there's no official source that can tell it's premine without doubt!
According to coinssource its unknown fact still I am sure it wasn't premined as I've made some researches which confirm the statement.

In the second, your ''facts'' are statement without evidence.
1) There are people who express their own opinions
2) No evidence
3) Do you know people who hold a significant amount of Bitcoins? Or Litecoin? or Dogecoin? That's because of anonymity the coins provide
4) Am I get you right - if someone well known tell you to believe whatever they tell , you'd believe?
There were lots of people who believes Mark Karpeles and where is MTgox now?? and Mark?
5) Bytecoin has plenty of enemies who can only FUD Bytecoin
6) Do not merge Whitepaper and Bytecoin. Even CN devs told that whitepaper was published a lot after BCN launch.

So, as there's no evidence, I insist on removing stars,  Gliss!


IMO, it's Monero guys who are  pumpers and FUDsters. Monero's guys understand that they would never be as good as BCN for a simple reason - Monero is only a fork. Only BCN devs have enough skills and knowledge about cryptonote tech to make improvements. So, Monero's guys can only copy BCN devs ideas and gossip about ''premining''
full member
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Hey guys. I've just open my favourite service called coinmarket and do you know what did i see? My favourite bytecoin is marked as Significantly Premined. What? Guys are you kidding me?


How can you say that BCN is premined if it was announced 2 years ago? Prooflink https://bytecoin.org/old/index.html
Are you out of your mind?
Shit dude. The same question.

It's also not a secret that BCN had a huge number of miners. There were also some services on darknet which is about Bytecoin trading. Maybe you can find some nowadays. In my opinion, it's the best proof, that BCN isn't a currency which is bla-bla-bla-premined.

Somebody said that age of currency doesn't mean that coin can't be premined. So give me please the other criterions of premined status

Wrong - if you check the way blocks were mined over the "2 years" it's clear that under 30 individual CPUs were involved in all mining. If you accept that the code in slow_hash.c was purposely crippled (recalculating static values in every iteration of the loop is not a mistake) then there were less than 10 individual CPUs involved.

People who are "in the know" have come to the same conclusion - Bytecoin is listed under the "Extreme Caution" and "Questionable Cryptocurrency Alternatives" sections of the paper: "An Investor's Investigation Into The Mining Statistics Of Bitcoin Alternatives"
newbie
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FACT: Bytecoin was written by nazis/marsians/freemasons etc. and expect everyone to believe you.
Every morning i make two facts like this in the toilet.
full member
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Pff. Ok. Let's talk about what term "premine" exactly means.
Since this idea you can call "Bitcoin" premined and you know why? Because godblessed Satoshi have at least 25% of whole coin supply. So what? 

It's hilarious how all of the BCN purchased / shill accounts make the same grammatical errors.

We've also had this discussion about Bitcoin before, it's incomparable. Stop trying to save your dying scamcoin.
full member
Activity: 173
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Hey guys. I've just open my favourite service called coinmarket and do you know what did i see? My favourite bytecoin is marked as Significantly Premined. What? Guys are you kidding me?


How can you say that BCN is premined if it was announced 2 years ago? Prooflink https://bytecoin.org/old/index.html
Are you out of your mind?

We've played this game already, fuck face.

The Bytecoin website DID NOT FUCKING EXIST until February:

March 2013: https://web.archive.org/web/20130304080736/http://bytecoin.org/
May 2013: https://web.archive.org/web/20130509175312/http://bytecoin.org/
November 2013: https://web.archive.org/web/20131113093900/http://bytecoin.org/
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