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Quote from: Cheesus on June 30, 2014, 06:38:56 AM

Quote from: oda.krell on June 30, 2014, 06:22:29 AM

@Hexah, jellyhashman, Agent99

Now that the '**' is gone, the discussion should stop, huh?

You wish.

I'm waiting for feedback from gliss, if he has an opinion on this. It's his thread, his opinion matters. But you'll excuse if I don't take the opinion of BCN shills too seriously.

Well, to be honest, there is no opinion that should be taken too seriously. XMR shills on the one side and BCN's are on the other.

I assume that Gliss is already fed up with all this trashtalk. He decided to add ** to the website, then he changed it back. I assume he used some kind of arguments.

I also think that if there is anyone who want to continue this discussion it's better to go to this thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=665950.new#new

oda.krell

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Quote from: Cheesus on June 30, 2014, 06:38:56 AM

Quote from: oda.krell on June 30, 2014, 06:22:29 AM

@Hexah, jellyhashman, Agent99

Now that the '**' is gone, the discussion should stop, huh?

You wish.

I'm waiting for feedback from gliss, if he has an opinion on this. It's his thread, his opinion matters. But you'll excuse if I don't take the opinion of BCN shills too seriously.

Well, to be honest, there is no opinion that should be taken too seriously. XMR shills on the one side and BCN's are on the other.

I assume that Gliss is already fed up with all this trashtalk. He decided to add ** to the website, then he changed it back. I assume he used some kind of arguments.

Complete agreement.

But you'll note that I (in favor of calling BCN a premine, i.e. a "XMR shill" if you want) don't go around calling an end to the discussion.

Like I said: gliss has the final word on it, both the decision itself and how and if the discussion is to be had in his thread. Until he says anything about that, I consider calls by others to end the discussion "because that's what he would want" to be noise.

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Quote from: oda.krell on June 30, 2014, 06:22:29 AM

@Hexah, jellyhashman, Agent99

Now that the '**' is gone, the discussion should stop, huh?

You wish.

I'm waiting for feedback from gliss, if he has an opinion on this. It's his thread, his opinion matters. But you'll excuse if I don't take the opinion of BCN shills too seriously.

Well, to be honest, there is no opinion that should be taken too seriously. XMR shills on the one side and BCN's are on the other.

I assume that Gliss is already fed up with all this trashtalk. He decided to add ** to the website, then he changed it back. I assume he used some kind of arguments.

oda.krell

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@Hexah, jellyhashman, Agent99

Now that the '**' is gone, the discussion should stop, huh?

You wish.

I'm waiting for feedback from gliss, if he has an opinion on this. It's his thread, his opinion matters. But you'll excuse if I don't take the opinion of BCN shills too seriously.

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Quote from: jellyhashman on June 30, 2014, 05:29:16 AM

Quote from: Hexah on June 30, 2014, 05:25:43 AM

BTW I think @Gliss is not happy with all this shit on the last 10 pages. This topic is about Coin Market Cap, not about BCN/XMR/... and thair features. We should move to https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7531126 or somewhere else to resolve our contradictions.

Finally. Someone talks sense.

I come here to read about CMC news, not your holy war. Please move somewhere else.

+1

I am pretty sure this should be continued in another thread. Although I am interested in these two coins better future but that's not good to dispute here .

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Quote from: Hexah on June 30, 2014, 05:25:43 AM

BTW I think @Gliss is not happy with all this shit on the last 10 pages. This topic is about Coin Market Cap, not about BCN/XMR/... and thair features. We should move to https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7531126 or somewhere else to resolve our contradictions.

Finally. Someone talks sense.

I come here to read about CMC news, not your holy war. Please move somewhere else.

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BTW I think @Gliss is not happy with all this shit on the last 10 pages. This topic is about Coin Market Cap, not about BCN/XMR/... and thair features. We should move to https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7531126 or somewhere else to resolve our contradictions.

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As was stated countless times... Bitcoin was mined by a few people too for a VERY long time. And there was no announcment on BitcoinTalk, hell, there was no BitcoinTalk.

So what? Bitcoin deserves **? If you don't know about something - it does not mean that nobody know.

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Come on, think about it. You don't create a brand new technology to secretly mine it for 1 year, it just doesn't make any sense. Bytecoin was mined by several teams of miners that was confirmed by the developers and by CryptoNote.

You have to face the ugly truth. If you didn't know about the coin, it doesn't mean it didn't exist. Or gravity should you say didn't exist before it was discovered?

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the grandpa of cryptos

can SIS Siamese Coin be added finally ?

oda.krell

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Quote from: Rias on June 29, 2014, 04:36:02 PM

It's funny that all people against Bytecoin are just posting bullshit, while their opponents at least provide proof links for their arguments.

Oh, that's okay... no need to link to anything. I can do it right here...

Fact #1 (Widely known) announcement of BCN on bitcointalk: March 12, 2014

Fact #2 Quantity of issued coins as of March 12 2014: ~147 billion.

Fact #3 Total number of coins to be issued: ~184 billion.

Conclusion: 147 billion out of 184 billion ~= 80% BCN mined before widely known release, i.e. effectively pre-mined.

Questions?

EDIT If I take the April 2013 Google search spike for 'Bytecoin' as evidence that there was some awareness of BCN at that time, a year before the bitcointalk announcement...

... then it's still a 97B/184B ~= 53% pre-mine.

phzi

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Quote from: Rias on June 29, 2014, 04:36:02 PM

It's funny that all people against Bytecoin are just posting bullshit, while their opponents at least provide proof links for their arguments.

No... The majority of ByteCoin was dishonestly mined, very likely in a short period of time with artificially inflated time gaps, at extremely low difficulty. The evidence is in the blockchain - nobody if going to draw you a picture if you're too blind to see it.

I won't be visiting coinmarketcap.com again until BCN is either de-listed or has a ** of shame.

I view this as nothing less then complete dishonesty on coinmarketcap's part. Shame on you, coinmarketcap...

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TL/DR: De-list BCN, FFS...

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Quote from: Rias on June 29, 2014, 04:36:02 PM

It's funny that all people against Bytecoin are just posting bullshit, while their opponents at least provide proof links for their arguments.

The Bytecoin blockchain shows the 82% premine my friend...It's been looked at by many cryptographers...I don't get the point of denying what's fact and in front of you.

Your own coin's blockchain shows how it was mined from 2012 to 2014 when it was known only by a few people, and how that small group of people mined over 82% of the coins supply in that time. There's nothing to argue with there, since all the evidence is in the Blockchain!

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It's funny that all people against Bytecoin are just posting bullshit, while their opponents at least provide proof links for their arguments.

darkota

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The plain truth is that bytecoin bcn has used very dishonest marketing, including an army of shills, a very hidden launch that was, in effect a huge premine, and various attempts to confuse people with the other bytecoin bte.

When the people running the con decide to cash out a lot of people are going to wonder how they got fooled.

One of the ways is that a site which is trusted to cover the back of less knowledgeable people instead decided to yield to some unknown pressure and go against the most basic common sense.

Perhaps another solution might be a third designation on coinmarket cap, something that does not specifically mean unmineable or premined but simply indicates the coins status is being researched and buyers should do due diligence.

Well Bytecoin has had a premine of over 82%

If anyone of those preminers decides to even sell 1/8 of his premine, Bytecoins price will drop to less than 0 satoshi aka become worthless.

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are you a BCN dev, or did you created an account just to post that lol
btw the illuminati is real Tongue

I know they are, I've dealt with them. Hence, a friendly advice: when they'll approach you with their offer, ask for the highest price you can imagine: in my case they've agreed with the first number I named. Don't repeat my mistake and sell yourself too cheap.

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Quote from: Jcw188 on June 29, 2014, 10:06:43 AM

Why don't we all just stop giving a damn and give Gliss a break, guys? I (and some other guys too) researched the situation a bit and found out that BCN was deepmined for two years in the Darknet by a group of about 200 miners. Whether you want to call it premine is highly questionable and ultimately irrelevant, as (**) is there to protect investors from scams of all sorts.

But for whatever reasons the developers and deep web community they started with wanted the degree of control over the coin the deepmining decision provided, it's got to be something other than a pump-a-dump scheme that everyone's implying, because BCN isn't a mere fork of Bitcoin: the amount of time and financial resources invested into the underlying CryptoNote technology outweighs the possible benefit from a simple scam.

The amount of investment is, I feel, the reason for their wish to manipulate the coin to some degree, as the developers have a certain vision for their brainchild's further fate and don't want it determined by random influences. So if I were Gliss, I would do just the same: instead of arguing non-stop about preminine or not and getting bogged down in aimless quarrels, I'd just look at the root of the problem and make the same decision.

boo poor Gliss, BCN devs probably bought him, this makes NO sense...

Yes, BCN bought Gliss. Then they bought theymos. They're so rich, they've bought a villa on Mars and are now building the shuttle to get there and keep on buying everyone in Solar System.

Some people suspect they're involved in Boing disappearance and revolution in North Korea:
http://cointelegraph.com/news/111356/a_report_from_beneath_my_tinfoil_hat_obama_visit_reveals_illuminati_war_against_masons

What's your price by the way?

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Why don't we all just stop giving a damn and give Gliss a break, guys? I (and some other guys too) researched the situation a bit and found out that BCN was deepmined for two years in the Darknet by a group of about 200 miners. Whether you want to call it premine is highly questionable and ultimately irrelevant, as (**) is there to protect investors from scams of all sorts.

But for whatever reasons the developers and deep web community they started with wanted the degree of control over the coin the deepmining decision provided, it's got to be something other than a pump-a-dump scheme that everyone's implying, because BCN isn't a mere fork of Bitcoin: the amount of time and financial resources invested into the underlying CryptoNote technology outweighs the possible benefit from a simple scam.

The amount of investment is, I feel, the reason for their wish to manipulate the coin to some degree, as the developers have a certain vision for their brainchild's further fate and don't want it determined by random influences. So if I were Gliss, I would do just the same: instead of arguing non-stop about preminine or not and getting bogged down in aimless quarrels, I'd just look at the root of the problem and make the same decision.

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I suppose coinmarketcap.com is calculating like this...

Market Cap = Price * Available Supply

But, while I was checking this for Dogecoin, I see the following...

Price = 0.000277 USD

Available Supply = 84788956277

Market Cap = 23494291 USD

But, Market Cap was supposed to be = 23486540.8887 USD

May I know the reason for this discrepancy ?

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Quote from: darkota on June 28, 2014, 01:09:47 PM

Quote from: rethink-your-strategy on June 27, 2014, 05:15:29 PM

Quote from: Gliss on June 27, 2014, 08:34:11 AM

Ok, removed premine designation from BCN.

You disappoint me, Gliss. Everyone with half a braincell more than that fat French fuck know that Bytecoin was unacceptably mined:

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=a_massive_investigation_of_instamines_and_fastmines_for_the_top_alt_coins#bytecoin
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=a_massive_investigation_of_instamines_and_fastmines_for_the_top_alt_coins#bytecoin1

We can debate the nuances of the term "premine" all we want, but either you need to copy what CoinGeck are doing and not list Bytecoin entirely, or it needs a flag of some sort to indicate to new investors the danger inherent in taking the information on your site at face value.

+1

The biggest danger for a coin is a developer who runs out off on his own coin.

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