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Topic: Constant accusations of scam, eMunie public IPO cancelled. (Read 10566 times)

legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
Some ppl just never stop complaining and being negative. Its in their nature, give em 1000 dollar and they still complain. Dont expect this to stop, no matter what you do or provide. Just follow youre own path.

and some people your use comment as a cookie cutter formulaic response to any criticism of anything
.. a shallow tired old excuse to cover up and try and justify bad behavior.

wanna hear some more classic canned retorts ?

how about free market blah blah blah ? you like that one ? i got more, i hear them all day and all night everyday lol
ooover and oooooooover like a broken record
member
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Merit: 10
What is the current status of eMunie?  I've lost track.

The Open Beta is released, but is being updated from time to time. The IPO didnt start yet (probably around next week). For details go to the forum.emunie.com site or visit the facebook page to see general updates on emunie at fb.com/emuniecurrency
legendary
Activity: 1372
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What is the current status of eMunie?  I've lost track.
member
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Merit: 10
For all who still doubt there is a working beta:

http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/1339-ob1-whats-in-and-whats-not-saturday-1st-feb-2014/

and

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-emunie-open-beta-1-437805

No need to invest, just try it on your own on feb., 1st and get your opinion about it. If anyone still thinks, its a scam, well you dont have to go for it then. In any case, this proves leo/coassackman, however he is calling himself now, wrong in one of his accusations. Have fun with the beta!

Hansen
member
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Some ppl just never stop complaining and being negative. Its in their nature, give em 1000 dollar and they still complain. Dont expect this to stop, no matter what you do or provide. Just follow youre own path.
newbie
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History will establish that this has been a brilliant publicity stunt from what I consider to be a towering genius of a man.  Wink
legendary
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Merit: 1009
Newbie
General recommendation: I'd say hold off on investing in emunie (or any investment for that matter) until you are solidly comfortable with what is being offered.

Aye, I think I'll go this way.
full member
Activity: 179
Merit: 100
I meant proof of his identity (scan of driving licence, his photo with a sheet of paper and "I am Fuserleer" on it). Not that thread where he told about himself, coz it proves nothing.

CfB,
Suppose that was provided.  Do you think that would be the end of the discussion? Probably not.  Others would demand even more extreme requirements.  They would shout that it was faked/photoshopped...etc.   Birth certificate? Passport?   How about a skype call?  Seems like this is turning into a nervous witch-hunt.

If that's the level of trust you need in a programmer, would you be willing to provide an equal level of "proof" as you are effectively the 1 man holding up Nxt?  

General recommendation: I'd say hold off on investing in emunie (or any investment for that matter) until you are solidly comfortable with what is being offered.  I completely expect that a version of the application will be provided to the users so they can "kick the tires" before deciding.

Personally speaking, the level of investment that I have made (both in "time" as well as money) relative to the my overall portfolio are definitely within the comfort level of risk/reward that allows me to sleep peacefully at night.

legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1009
Newbie
After reading every one of the emunie forum posts it took me all of about 15 minutes worth of google-searching to find out his real name and background.  Based on cross-checking relevant info --and-- based on his responses to forum post I never once felt as though there was ANY type of shady answers or suspicious behavior.  If you're patient and thorough in doing your due diligence (as one would expect any rational individual to do when investing) then it wasn't too hard to find.

I won't post his profile directly since it's easy enough to find on your own.

However, in the spirit of honesty, trust, integrity and transparency you can easily see who I am since it is linked to my Profile over on the emunie forum.

Peachy
emunie Beta Tester

I meant proof of his identity (scan of driving licence, his photo with a sheet of paper and "I am Fuserleer" on it). Not that thread where he told about himself, coz it proves nothing.
member
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Merit: 10
Its funny how people are calling Emunie a scam, If you take a little time to research and ask questions, you will quickly realize that Emunie isn't structured in a way it can be a scam like all the commodity coins. If you don't like Emunie after doing your research, don't use it, these systems are all voluntary, not mandatory. The fact is, someone has a monetary incentive to trash any new coin, be it a scam or not.

From my understanding of Emunie, the presale will not benefit the creator any more than investor due to the lack of incentive to dump the coins in mass. Even if we see a dramatic increase in price, dumping your coins will benefit you just as much as anyone. If you didn't get in on the presale, that's your fault for not investing. Everyone will have the chance to invest in this system eventually. If your angry, your obviously not understanding whats going on, if your on the fence about investing just wait until your risk model signals a buy, if your a troll... Here have some food, you look hungry.

If trust is an issue, everyone in this conversation should stop playing around with all programmable currencies. We all know bitcoin has a large premine and could be dumped by any one of the large holders at any moment. Heck most of the coins are centralized in one way or another. Emunie addresses some very valid needs of Liquidity, Privacy, and Stability (not pegged to USD, but smoother price fluctuations in general). Emunie is about to raise the standard for people making a programmable currency. A little birdie told me, that something very big is about to happen to our world. Its about to get very secure, very fast, and our world will never be the same.

A line is being drawn in the sand and every one in these petty arguments have already chosen a side in the larger conflict. If you don't know what I'm speaking of, lurk more, are you watching, divide and conquer, stop fighting your allies, change is coming, (And not the Obama change either Tongue)

Oh yea, Fuserleer, go get to work, let the free markets do this work. You only have one job, finishing the client. The people who are financing this campaign against Emunie are only afraid of what Emunie actually is.  I admire the work I've seen, I am still confident in everything your doing. The risk meter is still high for many, but that's investing for you. Just wait everyone, you will all see.

Those of you who think for yourself and aren't part of this paid campaign against Emunie have already done your homework and have either realized what this means, or that you dont like it. Its that simple, do your homework and then decide. If your not willing to do your own research, you have no business playing with investment capital in this market.  Reading a forum post about something is no excuse for research.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.   Eleanor Roosevelt

I for one would like to discuss the Idea behind Emunie not the events and certainly not the person. Fuserleer could have been another Sonny King or Satoshi. The fact of the matter is that he didn't, He chose to be on the front lines of the clearly drawn line in the sand, stand behind the brave warrior that he is choosing to be. Anyone who chooses to be a public figure in the current struggle between the ruling class and the rest of the world is a true hero.

If your risk model says to hold off then hold off, if your one of the people being payed to slander his hard work, you have chosen a less than virtuous path. "may the road you choose be the right road." Bix Weir

The Socratic dialogue speaks of the virtue of man, I advise everyone here to read and become very familiar with the philosophical foundation that will lead humanity forward toward our unknown fate. The beautiful religious metaphors that the vast majority of people have followed are in need of an new vision. To reach a truly virtuous life, one must understand we have outgrown metaphors and its time to combine our knowledge of humanity as a whole. The amazingly structured metaphors of religious faith, the philosophical footwork of great minds, the scientific feats of unfathomable magnitude, are all part of who we are as humans. Our purpose has yet to be realized, but one thing is for sure, it involves communication, compassion, and respect for the fragile opportunity we have been given to exist...


This was my desperate request to everyone here to communicate in a respectful, productive and thoughtful manner, regardless of social affiliation, faith, or belief.

Much respect to you all, much respect to Fuserleer, and much respect to the chunk of rock we were given the opportunity to live on. The human race is learning to walk, its difficult to shake the negativity involved in progress. However, the three primary driving forces we face as humans is, Religion, Politics, and Money.

Regardless of what projects come out on top, everyone here is fighting for the same cause even if they don't know it.
Decentralization and financial inclusion combined with cooperative stability is the single most important endeavor we as humans will do in this decade. It's time to break through the status quo, eliminate the restrictive dogmas of the past and become a truly civilized race.

I will say no more...

(TLDR) EMUNIE IS NOT BITCOIN!! It serves different purposes. If your risk model refuses to let you invest in Emunie, don't invest until your risk model signals a buy. Mushy and enlightening Eleanor Roosevelt quote Blah Blah... There is something a lot bigger happening with the human race. A clear division of social classes has developed in the world and an inevitable conflict has begun. You have chosen your side, stop fighting your allies. More enlightening, mushy mushy blah blah... I will say no more.
full member
Activity: 179
Merit: 100
I was so looking forward to the IPO Sad Very sad
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Hey Fuserleer,
I understand you are completely fed up with these shitheads. And you have all reasons to be fed up. But you should know that the silent majority is supporting your good work. And is standing behind you!

The public IPO (even if you cancelled it for now) will proof how much people believe in this project. I do. So continue the good work.

Cheers.

As I am oft fond of saying:  "Those that matter don't mind.  Those that mind don't matter."
sr. member
Activity: 427
Merit: 250
I was so looking forward to the IPO Sad Very sad
+1

Hey Fuserleer,
I understand you are completely fed up with these shitheads. And you have all reasons to be fed up. But you should know that the silent majority is supporting your good work. And is standing behind you!

The public IPO (even if you cancelled it for now) will proof how much people believe in this project. I do. So continue the good work.

Cheers.
full member
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Merit: 100
i think this new video shuts up all the trolls
the beta client is already in more advanced state than many other clients out there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOsvGz5X5OI


I hope Dan reconsiders. it needs to be a fair and open IPO where everyone has the chance to invest if they want.


full member
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Merit: 100
Many people doesn't understand that a real cryptowar is going on.

After BTC success we can see not only interest of scammers in making easy money but also interest of rich/powerfull people and organisations in taking over BTC alternatives or kill these which are hard to be controlled.
You must now use to this kind of infobattles. This gonna be much much more NASTY!
Where are big money there are major attacks.


You will see not only barbaric attacks between potential BTC-killing coins owners, their greedy stock holders and i am sure governments will also join this game (they don't like BTC a lot...).

I don't belive in RIPPLE. I see it as a pure try to kill BTC. it grown too fast to be legit. This needed to have too much help from outside. This system looks like a try to replace BTC with fully centralised and controlable system.

I don't like Mastercoin too. Just because of it's bad construction being leecher damaging BTC.
 
I have reasons to not fully belive NXT. It would gain the most if. But i see also whole blackmail action against NXT community too. But also many people got reach on NXT which launch wasn't democratic and gave to much power too small nr of ppl.

And now i lost trust in eMUnie too.

I don't shut doors definitively for eMunie or for NXT. But being caucios is now only reasonable way and you shouldn't give money for anything you aren't sure of and u shouldn't belive anyone but only proofs of work, legit outside opinions and open code comments.    


Make the project open source.

And make it transparent. Limited number or beta-testers is not enough anymore since nobody will or should believe them.

Respond to all major accusations. Show proofs, things showing you are legit programmer, that emunie code isn't scam, showing true proofs of identity and work.  

Think 3 times before doing something like this here... Wink In this world reputation of person and project is all. You can't keep all centralised anymore and hide your work. You can't over

Fight with proofs, real stuff not words. Let proofs be your only and best defense. Energy should be used on eMunie related work only. The rest wil solve itself when work will be done. On forum don't give general ideas but all possible details, hard data and proper explainations to not leave any free space for bad interpretations.

Be open for help of others while never beliving them completly.

Remember this is not a game anymore it's a real WAR. Your personal life will be affected if u want or not. Remember it doing anything in your life now. This is a public show now.

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PS. extee, thanks. im less confused now Wink it's community job to defend dev if they belive in project 
full member
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Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't fuseleer disclosed his real identity? That counts for a lot in my book.

This is a big plus. Where could I get more info?

After reading every one of the emunie forum posts it took me all of about 15 minutes worth of google-searching to find out his real name and background.  Based on cross-checking relevant info --and-- based on his responses to forum post I never once felt as though there was ANY type of shady answers or suspicious behavior.  If you're patient and thorough in doing your due diligence (as one would expect any rational individual to do when investing) then it wasn't too hard to find.

I won't post his profile directly since it's easy enough to find on your own.

However, in the spirit of honesty, trust, integrity and transparency you can easily see who I am since it is linked to my Profile over on the emunie forum.

Peachy
emunie Beta Tester
member
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You should look into Graincoin (GRA).  PoS, pays interest, rewards miners for loyalty with random 'superblocks.'

Just had its IPO on Coinedup less than 2 days ago.  Volume picking up in the past few hours but still cheap.

Dev is on top of things, coin foundation is PPC so it is an energy efficient second gen coin.  PoS will eventually overtake PoW as power costs and Moore's law make mining impossible. 

With all the talk of Coinye this week, GRAin, the 'whitebread alternative' (haha) has been overlooked.  This is a good one to get on board with now! 

Value has already doubled in the past day.
legendary
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Merit: 1134
I am trying to figure out how new EMU gets created automatically and how it isn't inflationary.

I searched and searched, but could not find a clear mathematical description other than half the new EMU goes to  prior EMU holders and half to hatchers. It seems that this requires all EMU holders to continue purchasing EMU to maintain their existing percentage. I guess if all EMU holders can maintain their prorata share of the hatching distribution, then it wouldn't be inflationary, but I haven't found a clear description on how exactly one controls one prorata share of hatching.

Also, how is the market price determined. There seems to be some mechanism that chooses the equilibrium point that the EMU should trade at. Is this algorithmically determined? It is arbitrary choice?

Sorry if these are silly question answered elsewhere, I just haven't found it after searching for hours.

Anybody?
full member
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I was so looking forward to the IPO Sad Very sad
+1
member
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http://www.coinsmanager.com/
I was so looking forward to the IPO Sad Very sad
full member
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Make the project open source.
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