Constant accusations of scam, eMunie public IPO cancelled. - page 4.

Apraksin

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Quote from: opticalcarrier on January 12, 2014, 10:26:33 AM

Wait.. were people already buying presell emu??? I signed up to be notifed and wanted to get in on it. iveeven got big plans on running a powerful hatcher. Geez man

Relax. Things will cool down and you'll get your chance one way or the other. Point is all this time spent answering FUD is taking time away from finishing the client. The only ones who's been able to invest at this point are beta-testers and founders. That information has been in the open all along.

Fuserleer

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It wasn't the only factor in play, there were many that led to this decision.

Lets weigh up the options with regard to the blackmail

1) Fight it constantly, never get to where you want to be
2) Pay them off to "keep the peace" and dig a bigger hole
3) Remove the ammo from the gun and deal with them in a legal manner

I chose 3, regardless of claims accuracy, as would any sensible individual.

matt608

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Quote from: Fuserleer on January 12, 2014, 10:03:58 AM

OK let me share some info about how out of hand this is getting:

http://i.imgur.com/kyaWMfK.png

Also people purporting to blackmail me with this FUD (I'm guessing in an attempt to extract some of the investments from me)

http://i.imgur.com/hoBihIf.png

There is more, much more, and much worse.

This isn't your usual set of trolls, these are people with much more sinister agendas in hand.

I don't know why this would cause you to decide to cancel the IPO unless they did go ahead and blackmail you somehow. If they had no way to blackmail you then presumably you would ignore them, if they did have a way to blackmail you then you might react the way you are doing, giving credence to their claims. I was ready to invest in eMunie but now it looks like I'll just have to wait to see what happens. I hope things go more smoothly from here.

opticalcarrier

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Wait.. were people already buying presell emu??? I signed up to be notifed and wanted to get in on it. iveeven got big plans on running a powerful hatcher. Geez man

CarbonAssassin

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This disadvantage of trying to do anything on the internet i suppose :/ Anyway can scream and shout from behind there computer and not give a crap because its not in the real world. Good luck with your project and i would certainly try to just ignore the nay sayers!

Fuserleer

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I will be trying to track them down yes, and prosecute as far as the law will allow me to.

Honeypot

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Quote from: Fuserleer on January 12, 2014, 10:03:58 AM

OK let me share some info about how out of hand this is getting:

http://i.imgur.com/kyaWMfK.png

Also people purporting to blackmail me with this FUD (I'm guessing in an attempt to extract some of the investments from me)

http://i.imgur.com/hoBihIf.png

There is more, much more, and much worse.

This isn't your usual set of trolls, these are people with much more sinister agendas in hand.

You need to address this promptly. These people can potentially face criminal prosecution if you know who they are. Internet does not guarantee you are above such actions, and all digital footprints are traceable.

Don't cancel your public pre sale for this. Meet them head on. Find out who they are. Deal with them legitimately and promptly.

panonym

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Losing too much time answering to scam accusation is indeed unproductive.
But expressing yourself to the community(-to-be) is important.
Your not only the dev, you're the project leader.

Maybe your private betatester understand where your project is heading.
But 'seem to me they are the only one.

Delegate work, but official centralized information will need to be officially confirmed - if not posted - by you.

1. development/ideas
2. communication/information (organized + quality)
3. investment
There is priorities, but you cannot skip any of the 3.
Number 2 quality is lacking big time.

Closed source, closed betatester? 'fine but only with video for the public of concert working example, or something.

'feel like I'm losing my time...
Hope my advice weren't vain. Delay.
Best of luck, but a successful project isn't only code.

Fuserleer

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OK let me share some info about how out of hand this is getting:

http://i.imgur.com/kyaWMfK.png

Also people purporting to blackmail me with this FUD (I'm guessing in an attempt to extract some of the investments from me)

http://i.imgur.com/hoBihIf.png

There is more, much more, and much worse.

This isn't your usual set of trolls, these are people with much more sinister agendas in hand.

maxidoge

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What the hell? Every big project has haters. Haters have 2 sides: negative one and positive(yeah) and positive side always win. Haters do "black" PR, promotion wins because every 1 man that emunie loose due to haters activity compensates with 2 mans that got info about emunie from haters and decided to risk or at least to follow news about it. So haters always help. Lol. But if you close public presale you will do damage to yourself. I wanted to invest. And now i am fucking angry, but reason are not haters but your decision. You reduce number of people who must create security pillow, destroying dreams of fair currency( nxt is shit) because number of owners of emunie at start must be as big as possible for creating stable currency. Also many people waited for this presale and now you with excuse of spending time on haters(why you even respond to them), now with this move of cancelling presale you just said to your true followers: "Fuck you!" What the hell man. I think you create bad situation. Haters win. Currency loose because of less presale. Thank you very much for your arrogance you just shit in our souls.

Fuserleer

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Quote from: Bill Bisco on January 12, 2014, 09:48:47 AM

Quote from: Fuserleer on January 12, 2014, 09:37:18 AM

Quote from: Bill Bisco on January 12, 2014, 09:28:22 AM

Yeah,

I'm going to comment in here as someone on the fence of your idea.

Some people have doubts about your trustworthiness. They post that you're not trustworthy, this currency is a scam, yada yada. Well, if you're cancelling your IPO, you're only cementing the idea that you're untrustworthy because you're backtracking. If you were trustworthy, then why would you need to cancel your IPO? Cancelling your IPO makes you look like you were forced to backtrack from legitimate criticism.

TLDR: Cancelling your public IPO makes you look more guilty not less. If you are a trustworthy person, then you should seriously reconsider cancelling this public IPO.

Its a valid point and I considered it before making the move.

But I would rather spend the large amount of time dealing with this stuff, actually getting the product ready and perfect, then revisit this whole idea later on when I DO have the time to tackle the FUD without ending up having to constantly delay stuff.

If people determine that I AM untrustworthy and dishonest from this move, so be it, that is up to you to decide and your own opinion which I respect. I only hope that just around the corner when the redemption from that judgement arrives, you at least acknowledge it and hold me and my project in the regard which was initially intended.

I don't really understand why you need to be the one responding to all the criticism. You're the developer. You responded to it. Now, it's up to your deputies and moderators to scour the forums and defend your system and reputation. You should be beyond being the solo representative for your brand now. You should not be even looking at the forums that much at this point, it takes too much time! This should not be a reason to delay an IPO.

TLDR: Your allies should be responding to accusations and criticism, not you. Your work time should be spend nearly 100% on development. The time it takes to respond to criticism is not a valid reason to cancel your public IPO.

We tried that, and all that achieved was further accusations and escalation of the claims that I have something to hide because I was sending out my "minion" to deal with it.

Aside from dealing with this kind of thing, I don't post anywhere other than the eMunie forum, as correctly, I do not have the time.

Bill Bisco

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Quote from: Fuserleer on January 12, 2014, 09:37:18 AM

Quote from: Bill Bisco on January 12, 2014, 09:28:22 AM

Yeah,

I'm going to comment in here as someone on the fence of your idea.

Some people have doubts about your trustworthiness. They post that you're not trustworthy, this currency is a scam, yada yada. Well, if you're cancelling your IPO, you're only cementing the idea that you're untrustworthy because you're backtracking. If you were trustworthy, then why would you need to cancel your IPO? Cancelling your IPO makes you look like you were forced to backtrack from legitimate criticism.

TLDR: Cancelling your public IPO makes you look more guilty not less. If you are a trustworthy person, then you should seriously reconsider cancelling this public IPO.

Its a valid point and I considered it before making the move.

But I would rather spend the large amount of time dealing with this stuff, actually getting the product ready and perfect, then revisit this whole idea later on when I DO have the time to tackle the FUD without ending up having to constantly delay stuff.

If people determine that I AM untrustworthy and dishonest from this move, so be it, that is up to you to decide and your own opinion which I respect. I only hope that just around the corner when the redemption from that judgement arrives, you at least acknowledge it and hold me and my project in the regard which was initially intended.

I don't really understand why you need to be the one responding to all the criticism. You're the developer. You responded to it. Now, it's up to your deputies and moderators to scour the forums and defend your system and reputation. You should be beyond being the solo representative for your brand now. You should not be even looking at the forums that much at this point, it takes too much time! This should not be a reason to delay an IPO.

TLDR: Your allies should be responding to accusations and criticism, not you. Your work time should be spend nearly 100% on development. The time it takes to respond to criticism is not a valid reason to cancel your public IPO.

Sagefit

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Quote from: Fuserleer on January 12, 2014, 09:13:50 AM

Quote from: Sagefit on January 12, 2014, 09:06:32 AM

As the person who takes care of Worldcoin's marketing I go through this same thing every single second of every single day. Every crypto goes through it and you have to hold you head up high and try to work around it or at least defend from it, never attack. This is a terrible move, sorry.

Granted, but there is a difference between the 2, WorldCoin has been around for a decent period of time, is cemented as a respectable currency.

This move isn't an attack, it is a defense, which will allow me to concentrate 100% on what needs to be done RIGHT NOW as opposed to spending time tackling issues head on that are of no relevance to the project right now.

My thinking is that if I remove the call for investment, which is fueling these attacks, that is the best form of defense available to me right now. At a later stage, and in a step to discard any doubts of scam, vapourware, or anything else of the sort, we can hold an open beta for a few week, THEN revisit the idea of a public IPO to achieve the distrubution and other goals that we had in mind here.

That way at least, everyone that is interested has the chance to test drive the system and make up their own mind. At the moment it is a controlled beta, as that satisfies the development requirements currently, and that also is fueling this current round of FUD.

I think you're letting everyone get to you. The scam thing is not something that goes away. Heck even BTC still gets cries of scams, on a much larger scale than eMunie. You have to let it pass and sometimes it's better off being ignored.

fragout

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Quote from: btbrae on January 12, 2014, 09:28:34 AM

So if I get this right, you are essentially turning this into a premine? Because if you favoring those who invested over those that didn't, yet take that option away it is essentially akin to a premine, same as Nxt was.

I'm going to make the prediction there will be no public IPO, there was never any intention of being a public IPO, and that this whole saga is being orchestrated to build maximum interest in yet another scam coin.

The plan is I believe to release a public beta before offering a new public sale which well dispel the rumors that a client / coin even exists (It does btw, I am in the beta)

Fuserleer

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Quote from: Bill Bisco on January 12, 2014, 09:28:22 AM

Yeah,

I'm going to comment in here as someone on the fence of your idea.

Some people have doubts about your trustworthiness. They post that you're not trustworthy, this currency is a scam, yada yada. Well, if you're cancelling your IPO, you're only cementing the idea that you're untrustworthy because you're backtracking. If you were trustworthy, then why would you need to cancel your IPO? Cancelling your IPO makes you look like you were forced to backtrack from legitimate criticism.

TLDR: Cancelling your public IPO makes you look more guilty not less. If you are a trustworthy person, then you should seriously reconsider cancelling this public IPO.

Its a valid point and I considered it before making the move.

But I would rather spend the large amount of time dealing with this stuff, actually getting the product ready and perfect, then revisit this whole idea later on when I DO have the time to tackle the FUD without ending up having to constantly delay stuff.

If people determine that I AM untrustworthy and dishonest from this move, so be it, that is up to you to decide and your own opinion which I respect. I only hope that just around the corner when the redemption from that judgement arrives, you at least acknowledge it and hold me and my project in the regard which was initially intended.

panonym

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Quote from: Fuserleer on January 12, 2014, 08:51:52 AM

my primary concern right now is system development, not investment.

Good.

Quote from: Fuserleer on January 12, 2014, 09:13:50 AM

My thinking is that if I remove the call for investment, which is fueling these attacks, that is the best form of defense available to me right now.

The way you did it with this post was far from perfect.

You best defense available right now is to announce any kind of investment is reported until ideas, development and public communication is improved.

Announce that investment form will have to be completely rethinked again.
(Switching from "sell", "presell", "IPO", "privateIPO", "no IPO" doesn't help.)

Yeah, simply officially announce that investment is reported until fundation are solidified.
No need to precise a date.
No need to precise right now that "it will be an IPO" or "it will not be an IPO".

From the glimpse of the mess I got today, you shouldn't plane a lunch before March.
Lots of work to do.
I'm happy to help with idea and discussion if that is wished.

fragout

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Quote from: Bill Bisco on January 12, 2014, 09:28:22 AM

Yeah,

I'm going to comment in here as someone on the fence of your idea.

Some people have doubts about your trustworthiness. They post that you're not trustworthy, this currency is a scam, yada yada. Well, if you're cancelling your IPO, you're only cementing the idea that you're untrustworthy because you're backtracking. If you were trustworthy, then why would you need to cancel your IPO? Cancelling your IPO makes you look like you were forced to backtrack from legitimate criticism.

TLDR: Cancelling your public IPO makes you look more guilty not less. If you are a trustworthy person, then you should seriously reconsider cancelling this public IPO.

Thats makes 0 sense. you want him to backtrack on his backtrack. Personally I think he made the correct choice

btbrae

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So if I get this right, you are essentially turning this into a premine? Because if you favoring those who invested over those that didn't, yet take that option away it is essentially akin to a premine, same as Nxt was.

I'm going to make the prediction there will be no public IPO, there was never any intention of being a public IPO, and that this whole saga is being orchestrated to build maximum interest in yet another scam coin.

Bill Bisco

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Yeah,

I'm going to comment in here as someone on the fence of your idea.

Some people have doubts about your trustworthiness. They post that you're not trustworthy, this currency is a scam, yada yada. Well, if you're cancelling your IPO, you're only cementing the idea that you're untrustworthy because you're backtracking. If you were trustworthy, then why would you need to cancel your IPO? Cancelling your IPO makes you look like you were forced to backtrack from legitimate criticism.

TLDR: Cancelling your public IPO makes you look more guilty not less. If you are a trustworthy person, then you should seriously reconsider cancelling this public IPO.

Fuserleer

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Quote from: shtako on January 12, 2014, 09:18:02 AM

Quote from: Fuserleer on January 12, 2014, 09:13:50 AM

Quote from: Sagefit on January 12, 2014, 09:06:32 AM

As the person who takes care of Worldcoin's marketing I go through this same thing every single second of every single day. Every crypto goes through it and you have to hold you head up high and try to work around it or at least defend from it, never attack. This is a terrible move, sorry.

Granted, but there is a difference between the 2, WorldCoin has been around for a decent period of time, is cemented as a respectable currency.

This move isn't an attack, it is a defense, which will allow me to concentrate 100% on what needs to be done RIGHT NOW as opposed to spending time tackling issues head on that are of no relevance to the project right now.

My thinking is that if I remove the call for investment, which is fueling these attacks, that is the best form of defense available to me right now. At a later stage, and in a step to discard any doubts of scam, vapourware, or anything else of the sort, we can hold an open beta for a few week, THEN revisit the idea of a public IPO to achieve the distrubution and other goals that we had in mind here.

That way at least, everyone that is interested has the chance to test drive the system and make up their own mind. At the moment it is a controlled beta, as that satisfies the development requirements currently, and that also is fueling this current round of FUD.

That sounds sensible.

Yeah probably the best move all round as its kills of the trolls and accusations, and would still allow the achievement of the goals originally intended. It is one option I may consider.

Those that have lost confidence in myself or the project, I apologize, but when the amount of time you are spending on this kinda stuff has risen from 5% to 50% in the past 2 months alone, I had to do something.

The plan was the launch end of Jan/early Feb, but that is beginning to look unlikely purely due to spending so much time OFF the project....I had to do something.

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