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legendary
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According to longstanding precedent, the police have no duty to protect anyone, and all lawsuits against them alleging same are tossed. Police however swear an oath to not do exactly what they do, and are effectively immune from any real consequences for breaking it. I wanted to be a cop before I learned about the dark side of the blue line.
Against them personally, yes lawsuits will be tossed. However The police department and the city/multiplicity they work for is a different story as the victim can claim that their procedures caused them to be put in harms way

Against _any_ entity, tossed. There is no officer named District of Columbia.
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According to longstanding precedent, the police have no duty to protect anyone, and all lawsuits against them alleging same are tossed. Police however swear an oath to not do exactly what they do, and are effectively immune from any real consequences for breaking it. I wanted to be a cop before I learned about the dark side of the blue line.
Against them personally, yes lawsuits will be tossed. However The police department and the city/multiplicity they work for is a different story as the victim can claim that their procedures caused them to be put in harms way
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That video is still a blurry piece of shit and damn near worthless as evidence.

The video is simple support. What was done by the cops should never have been done that way.

Smiley

Everybody agrees with that. What should be the consequences of that action - that is the debate.

He should be indicted and there should be a trial. The video is enough to question whether excessive force was used. The trial will allow the cop to give his side of the story, and a jury should decide if he unjustly took a life.
legendary
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According to longstanding precedent, the police have no duty to protect anyone, and all lawsuits against them alleging same are tossed. Police however swear an oath to not do exactly what they do, and are effectively immune from any real consequences for breaking it. I wanted to be a cop before I learned about the dark side of the blue line.
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If the Grand Jury won't bring this to trial, then the parents should file a common law claim that their property was wrongfully taken from them. They should require an eye for an eye, but thy might settle for $millions.

I'm 100% sure you'd be the first to suggest suing the 'lazy/coward' cops if it was a real gun and they failed to prevent/stop a massacre/killing spree.
You are probably right but to a lower standard. If the gun was real and did any kind of damage to any living thing (animal or person) then the police would probably be blamed.
You want to reward these unfit guardians for ignoring their child while he modified an already-dangerous BB gun to appear exactly like an actual deadly weapon?
The parents should be charged with something. They should be held responsible for how their child was acting and for their child terrorizing all those people.
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I'm going to say it: I am ashamed to be a US citizen. This doesn't come easily, because having lived abroad and seen some pretty nasty places in my time, I know there are a lot of great things about this country, and a lot of great people who live here, but lately, I've reached the conclusion that the US is a sick and twisted country, in which the bad far outweighs the good.

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2. The police in the United States have become so militarized in both a physical sense and in terms of their training and self-image, that they are now more of an army of occupation than "peace officers" (there's an anachronistic term you don't even hear used anymore). Over and over we see police aggressively using force, including deadly force, in situations that call for calm and understanding. The most sickening thing to me, was watching a squad car in Cleveland race directly onto a park lawn right up to an enclosed gazebo where 12-year-old Tamir Rice was sitting, alone, playing with a toy gun. In less than two seconds, one of the cops exits the car and shoots the boy fatally in the stomach. There was absolutely no call for this execution. No one was around being threatened by the kid. The cops should have pulled up safely at a distance, assessed the situation, and then called on Rice to exit the gazebo and drop the gun, even if they feared it was real. Or they should have ordered him to stay put and drop the gun, and then, if he didn't comply, waited for back up, including a trained negotiator. Instead, they just raced in like it was a hostage rescue attempt, and blew a little kid away. Then they did nothing to help him after shooting him. Ugh! And yet, there is not a wave of universal outrage over this monstrous police murder.
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If the Grand Jury won't bring this to trial, then the parents should file a common law claim that their property was wrongfully taken from them. They should require an eye for an eye, but thy might settle for $millions.

I'm 100% sure you'd be the first to suggest suing the 'lazy/coward' cops if it was a real gun and they failed to prevent/stop a massacre/killing spree.

You want to reward these unfit guardians for ignoring their child while he modified an already-dangerous BB gun to appear exactly like an actual deadly weapon?

You want enrich the parents for allowing their wannabe gangsta to terrorize people at a local park with his realistic looking gun?

The parents should be sent the bill for all expenses accrued by their unsupervised out-of-control thug larva, and serve hard time for child neglect/endangerment.
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That video is still a blurry piece of shit and damn near worthless as evidence.

The video is simple support. What was done by the cops should never have been done that way.

Smiley

Everybody agrees with that. What should be the consequences of that action - that is the debate.

It should go before a 12-person, fully informed jury, that has been informed that they not only have the duty to judge the officer, but that they have the duty to determine the law. It's called jury nullification. And they have the right and duty to determine the law in the case in any direction that they want.

If the Grand Jury won't bring this to trial, then the parents should file a common law claim that their property was wrongfully taken from them. They should require an eye for an eye, but thy might settle for $millions. Read about and listen to Karl at http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html.

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legendary
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That video is still a blurry piece of shit and damn near worthless as evidence.

The video is simple support. What was done by the cops should never have been done that way.

Smiley

It's so blurry anyone can dishonestly use it to "support" just about anything they say. I would rule it inadmissible as evidence as a judge, or nullify a fellow juror lying that it was crystal clear to them and all the evidence they needed to see. No sound, no other angle showing where the car came from, I can't see anybody's guns at all, can't make out faces, only bodies, can barely just infer that it was a police car (from the blurry appearance of a push bumper, low-profile LED lightbar, and what looks like a contrasting color stripe on the left side of the car that is wider than I would expect trim to be, so possibly "City of X Police" lettering).
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That video is still a blurry piece of shit and damn near worthless as evidence.

The video is simple support. What was done by the cops should never have been done that way.

Smiley

Everybody agrees with that. What should be the consequences of that action - that is the debate.
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legendary
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That video is still a blurry piece of shit and damn near worthless as evidence.

The video is simple support. What was done by the cops should never have been done that way.

Smiley
legendary
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RIP Mommy
What instructions? Where is the clear recording that evidences instructions were given?

They had the chance to park outside the average accurate range of a pistol and use their PA system while the cover officer pulled the rifle or shotgun out of the center console most marked vehicles seem to have. People in vehicles rarely get life-threatening GSWs from those outside them. If they drove right up to the suspect to expose themselves to hostile fire, they are Darwin Award stupid and it's just a matter of time before a real criminal shoves their suicidal "tactics" up their ass.

This seems like one of too many idiotic OIS where suicidal cops roll right up on the perp and exit the much higher safety of their vehicle to leave no choice but to have to open fire.

Where is the evidence the cops decided to execute the kid on sight, with no verbal warnings or commands given?

How brave of you to second-guess emergency responders from the comfort of your armchair or yoga ball.

Why don't you join the force and show those dumb cops the proper way to deal with a 911 call about an armed dude terrorizing the local park with a gun?

Is it because you can't pass the physical?  No doubt.

But it's also because you would rather shift blame from the individual who created the situation to those society assigns the thankless task of dealing with it.
Where they park their car does not matter, unless they are dealing with an active shooter, they are not going to be taking cover, plus a SWAT team would likely be involved.

Active shooter tactics have changed. The first responding officers rush in and stop the bastard as soon as they find him, they don't wait for SWAT, they don't "take cover". They were smart enough to change that tactic, but we are led to believe that either 1) cops are such dumbfucks that they apply their active shooter tactics to MWAG calls when they were trained to use OTHER tactics for MWAG calls or 2) cops' training for MWAG calls is suicidal and utterly devoid of common sense, but they are Pope-level infallible now, so we should never expect them to be retrained for a commonsense, non-suicidal tactic in any future situation - the active shooter tactics were the end of all evolution in LE training.

For the morons, morons everywhere: Parking your car a safe distance away so you can give PA commands and shoot from a supported position with a vastly more accurate gun, is good tactics. Suicidally putting yourself in a situation where you're forced to mag dump with a shit accuracy gun and STILL get shot or stabbed instantly, or "take cover", and/or God forbid get disarmed by the perp and they use everything you brought to the scene for innocent bloodshed, is bad tactics.

The fact is that the kid was acting like a thug and was treated like one. When he showed the gun to the police he did so in a threatening way.

That video is still a blurry piece of shit and damn near worthless as evidence.
legendary
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What instructions? Where is the clear recording that evidences instructions were given?

They had the chance to park outside the average accurate range of a pistol and use their PA system. People in vehicles rarely get life-threatening GSWs from those outside them. If they drove right up to the suspect and exposed themselves to hostile fire, they are Darwin Award stupid and it's just a matter of time before a real criminal shoves their suicidal "tactics" up their ass.

Where is the evidence the cops decided to execute the kid on sight, with no verbal warnings or commands given?

How brave of you to second-guess emergency responders from the comfort of your armchair or yoga ball.

Why don't you join the force and show those dumb cops the proper way to deal with a 911 call about an armed dude terrorizing the local park with a gun?

Is it because you can't pass the physical?  No doubt.

But it's also because you would rather shift blame from the individual who created the situation to those society assigns the thankless task of dealing with it.
Where they park their car does not matter, unless they are dealing with an active shooter, they are not going to be taking cover, plus a SWAT team would likely be involved.

The fact is that the kid was acting like a thug and was treated like one. When he showed the gun to the police he did so in a threatening way. If it were up to me, his parents should be charged with some crime for being such shitty parents that the kid was acting this way

Better a dead cop than a dead innocent kid.

Smiley

EDIT: If cops can't figure this out, and find some other way to handle what they have to do, then they shouldn't be on the job. And the city council that doesn't act to make an innocent kid's life more important than a cop's is completely negligent and should be relieved of duty or worse.
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What instructions? Where is the clear recording that evidences instructions were given?

They had the chance to park outside the average accurate range of a pistol and use their PA system. People in vehicles rarely get life-threatening GSWs from those outside them. If they drove right up to the suspect and exposed themselves to hostile fire, they are Darwin Award stupid and it's just a matter of time before a real criminal shoves their suicidal "tactics" up their ass.

Where is the evidence the cops decided to execute the kid on sight, with no verbal warnings or commands given?

How brave of you to second-guess emergency responders from the comfort of your armchair or yoga ball.

Why don't you join the force and show those dumb cops the proper way to deal with a 911 call about an armed dude terrorizing the local park with a gun?

Is it because you can't pass the physical?  No doubt.

But it's also because you would rather shift blame from the individual who created the situation to those society assigns the thankless task of dealing with it.
Where they park their car does not matter, unless they are dealing with an active shooter, they are not going to be taking cover, plus a SWAT team would likely be involved.

The fact is that the kid was acting like a thug and was treated like one. When he showed the gun to the police he did so in a threatening way. If it were up to me, his parents should be charged with some crime for being such shitty parents that the kid was acting this way
legendary
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Thanks for fucking up my quote and erecting strawmen. Welcome to my ignore list.

Oh what a great loss.  I get so much out of conversations with people who can't control their temper and always blame the cops for having to do society's dangerous dirty work of dealing with criminals (among many forms of emergency response).

Go wave your black flag at the nearest Occupy camp.  Maybe you can get a sweet tribal henna tattoo while you are there.   Cheesy
legendary
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RIP Mommy
Thanks for fucking up my quote and erecting strawmen. Welcome to my ignore list.
legendary
Activity: 2156
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
What instructions? Where is the clear recording that evidences instructions were given?

They had the chance to park outside the average accurate range of a pistol and use their PA system. People in vehicles rarely get life-threatening GSWs from those outside them. If they drove right up to the suspect and exposed themselves to hostile fire, they are Darwin Award stupid and it's just a matter of time before a real criminal shoves their suicidal "tactics" up their ass.

Where is the evidence the cops decided to execute the kid on sight, with no verbal warnings or commands given?

How brave of you to second-guess emergency responders from the comfort of your armchair or yoga ball.

Why don't you join the force and show those dumb cops the proper way to deal with a 911 call about an armed dude terrorizing the local park with a gun?

Is it because you can't pass the physical?  No doubt.

But it's also because you would rather shift blame from the individual who created the situation to those society assigns the thankless task of dealing with it.
legendary
Activity: 3010
Merit: 1031
RIP Mommy
What instructions? Where is the clear recording that evidences instructions were given?

They had the chance to park outside the average accurate range of a pistol and use their PA system while the cover officer pulled the rifle or shotgun out of the center console most marked vehicles seem to have. People in vehicles rarely get life-threatening GSWs from those outside them. If they drove right up to the suspect to expose themselves to hostile fire, they are Darwin Award stupid and it's just a matter of time before a real criminal shoves their suicidal "tactics" up their ass.

This seems like one of too many idiotic OIS where suicidal cops roll right up on the perp and exit the much higher safety of their vehicle to leave no choice but to have to open fire.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
that kids fate was sealed before the cops even got there.

Bullshit.  If the kid had obeyed their instructions and hadn't acted like a thug about to open fire by doing the "look at the gun in my waistband" thing, he'd be alive.

If he had a real gun and killed people, you'd blame the cops for not acting fast enough.

People like you are easily misled by the media and the rest of the professional victimization industry misusing pictures of the kid from when he sat on Santa's lap as a toddler 10 years ago.
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