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legendary
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March 17, 2020, 10:09:44 AM
a few points

the virus is just a virus. the disease is the symptom list of how it affects a person

too many stupid people are treating it like the disease is not related to the virus iin the same narrative of saying a bullet is not related to a bullet wound

you cannot cause a bullet wound from a knife. as that is a knife wound
a bullet wound is related to the cause. covid is to do with the virus

in short the disease' is just the list of symptoms/observations of what the virus does
can stupid people stop trying to think the disease os separate .. it all part of what the virus does to humans

....
separetly i do think that for instance in america putting schools on lockdown means kids are then needing someone to look after them at home, this then means they usually get taken to their retired grandparents to look after them while parents are at work.
this is risky.
its better to have kids at school so they are not running around old people and vulnerable people

i can understand them wanting to prevent a 3x spike and instead just have 3 mini bumps
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/    \   vs  /      \/    \/\
its done to reduce the strain on the healthcare systems. after all UK for instance only has about 130,000 bed for all types of medical problems. so bed availability just for corona is much lower
also by delaying it, gives them more time to research it. so less deaths at second and third rounds once they learn lessons from the first round

but this social distancing thing to 'delay' will effect things because wuhan took 2 month in panic mode so this can be 3-6month for countries that do take this more 'delay' tactic

lets see how many businesses and employment positions are affected

i think wuhan will be the country to watch to predict what other countries could expect in a few months.
legendary
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March 17, 2020, 09:55:27 AM
People are panicking about this to an unbelievable extent. It's a bad disease, to be sure, and some precautions should be taken, but it's not worth putting the entire economy on hold. For example, maybe it'd be a good idea to 100% lock-down nursing homes, but cancelling all university classes and sporting events, or locking down entire countries, or stopping trade between the biggest economies in the world? I think we'll look back at this in a couple of years and see this as a huge hypochondriacal overreaction which kicked off quite a damaging recession. (Though the economy was already unstable in many ways: it's not just the virus.)

Agreed. They're going way overboard with this. Barely anyone is dying here especially when you compare it to other things like the flu. Keep calm and carry on in my opinion. If it goes full on zombie apocalypse then we can stay inside but doing this shit now is overkill and incredibly damaging in multiple ways. There's only been about 50 deaths so far in the UK. Flu kills about 50 a day, 20 people kill themselves every day and there's 450 die of cancer every day just in the UK but nobody's going hysteric over them. This is going to do do ridiculous damage to the economy which could take years to recover from and lots of business are going to go under, especially ones like airlines. I have a friend who's a self-employed personal trainer and pretty much all of his clients have cancelled this week already out of fear. He'll be out of business within the month if this continues.

(I recently had all of the symptoms of the virus. I wonder if I had it, or if it was just the ordinary flu. It was very unpleasant, though I got over it in a few days.)

I get really bad throat infections with flu-like symptoms a few times a year and they're very unpleasant for a few days to a week but as with the flu young/healthy people will likely get over it. It just seems to be mostly killing the already nearly-dead with underlying health conditions anyway and they're probably the ones that need to self-isolate unless it starts killing anyone else.

Look at Italy.

It's not like the flu. CFR is much higher, it's more contagious, and even though ~80% of sick people might have mild symptoms like above, the ones that are not so lucky may require intensive care. If it spreads uncontained it can overwhelm the healthcare system. The goal is now to flatten the curve to keep the system working for those who need it and staying at home for a few weeks is a small price to pay.

Bravado among predominantly young healthy members of this forum is understandable. That doesn't work for those who have a high risk of complications from this virus unless you want to go full Darwin on them and just let them die. I'm kinda attached to a couple high-risk family members so I'm glad that schools and other virus-breeding places around here are closed. Unfortunately testing is still severely lacking but there are some drive-through testing places popping up so hopefully it'll pick up soon.
hero member
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March 17, 2020, 08:09:29 AM
People are panicking about this to an unbelievable extent. It's a bad disease, to be sure, and some precautions should be taken, but it's not worth putting the entire economy on hold. For example, maybe it'd be a good idea to 100% lock-down nursing homes, but cancelling all university classes and sporting events, or locking down entire countries, or stopping trade between the biggest economies in the world? I think we'll look back at this in a couple of years and see this as a huge hypochondriacal overreaction which kicked off quite a damaging recession. (Though the economy was already unstable in many ways: it's not just the virus.)

Agreed. They're going way overboard with this. Barely anyone is dying here especially when you compare it to other things like the flu. Keep calm and carry on in my opinion. If it goes full on zombie apocalypse then we can stay inside but doing this shit now is overkill and incredibly damaging in multiple ways. There's only been about 50 deaths so far in the UK. Flu kills about 50 a day, 20 people kill themselves every day and there's 450 die of cancer every day just in the UK but nobody's going hysteric over them. This is going to do do ridiculous damage to the economy which could take years to recover from and lots of business are going to go under, especially ones like airlines. I have a friend who's a self-employed personal trainer and pretty much all of his clients have cancelled this week already out of fear. He'll be out of business within the month if this continues.

(I recently had all of the symptoms of the virus. I wonder if I had it, or if it was just the ordinary flu. It was very unpleasant, though I got over it in a few days.)

I get really bad throat infections with flu-like symptoms a few times a year and they're very unpleasant for a few days to a week but as with the flu young/healthy people will likely get over it. It just seems to be mostly killing the already nearly-dead with underlying health conditions anyway and they're probably the ones that need to self-isolate unless it starts killing anyone else.

You don't seem to understand the problem. If everyone gets infected, the deaths will be way higher or just as high. Anyways that's not even the problem, the problem is that this 'flu' is extremely contagious and without any measures taken it will spread extremely fast infecting 80-90% of the population in any country within months. No healthcare system can sustain that and would collapse. Do you not understand that?
legendary
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March 17, 2020, 08:02:47 AM
Here is the best run-down of the standard physiology of 'the coronavirus' that I have seen yet:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWzbArPgo-o

Ninja Nerd rarely fails to impress.

A person who can go through this thing, follow it, and predict some or most things before he says the answer will probably be resistant to having smoke blown up their ass by the various scammers and drug peddlers.  These include mainstream doctors and 'homeopaths'.
Gave up after 0.27 Sec. If someone starts talking about the COVID-19 virus, is game over.
One member of the Coronavirus familiy is the SARS-CoV-2 virus it causes the COVID-19 disease.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html

You totally fell into the name/label psy-op.  Tower of Babble thing.  It is perfectly acceptable to say 'the flu virus' and one need not be bothered to use the technical term for the species of virus which causes a particular flu.  

In point of fact, the entire presentation IS about the 'covid-19' (the disease) and doesn't touch on the actual virus much at all other than a brief few brief descriptions of certain of it's features.  The description of the vid also says in pretty clear English: "...  Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) caused by SARS-COV2 is a new strain that was discovered in 2019 and has not been previously identified in humans."

Edit:  I actually found the first 12 minutes or so to be not very interesting.  When he finally got into how the virus attacks what cells and the various cytokines that will be in play is where I got very interested.

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March 17, 2020, 08:00:25 AM


I get really bad throat infections with flu-like symptoms a few times a year and they're very unpleasant for a few days to a week but as with the flu young/healthy people will likely get over it. It just seems to be mostly killing the already nearly-dead with underlying health conditions anyway and they're probably the ones that need to self-isolate unless it starts killing anyone else.

Yesterday, a 48 year old woman died with no known preconditions in self quarantine.
I have read reports of deaths of formerly healthy doctors and nurses in wuhan, died of covid in their early 30's.
Don't be too sure...

Where from and what's the source? Also, I'm not sure of anything, but until people start dropping like flies I'll continue to believe it's probably over-hyped and one or two young people dying doesn't mean much or scare me. I know of two people who died of heart attacks in their 20's but that's a rare occurrence and there's usually something else going on with them for that to happen. There's always going to be outliers but that doesn't mean to say the entire world needs to panic like it is right now.
legendary
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March 17, 2020, 07:42:43 AM


I get really bad throat infections with flu-like symptoms a few times a year and they're very unpleasant for a few days to a week but as with the flu young/healthy people will likely get over it. It just seems to be mostly killing the already nearly-dead with underlying health conditions anyway and they're probably the ones that need to self-isolate unless it starts killing anyone else.

Yesterday, a 48 year old woman died with no known preconditions in self quarantine.
I have read reports of deaths of formerly healthy doctors and nurses in wuhan, died of covid in their early 30's.
Don't be too sure...
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March 17, 2020, 07:17:15 AM
People are panicking about this to an unbelievable extent. It's a bad disease, to be sure, and some precautions should be taken, but it's not worth putting the entire economy on hold. For example, maybe it'd be a good idea to 100% lock-down nursing homes, but cancelling all university classes and sporting events, or locking down entire countries, or stopping trade between the biggest economies in the world? I think we'll look back at this in a couple of years and see this as a huge hypochondriacal overreaction which kicked off quite a damaging recession. (Though the economy was already unstable in many ways: it's not just the virus.)

Agreed. They're going way overboard with this. Barely anyone is dying here especially when you compare it to other things like the flu. Keep calm and carry on in my opinion. If it goes full on zombie apocalypse then we can stay inside but doing this shit now is overkill and incredibly damaging in multiple ways. There's only been about 50 deaths so far in the UK. Flu kills about 50 a day, 20 people kill themselves every day and there's 450 die of cancer every day just in the UK but nobody's going hysteric over them. This is going to do do ridiculous damage to the economy which could take years to recover from and lots of business are going to go under, especially ones like airlines. I have a friend who's a self-employed personal trainer and pretty much all of his clients have cancelled this week already out of fear. He'll be out of business within the month if this continues.

(I recently had all of the symptoms of the virus. I wonder if I had it, or if it was just the ordinary flu. It was very unpleasant, though I got over it in a few days.)

I get really bad throat infections with flu-like symptoms a few times a year and they're very unpleasant for a few days to a week but as with the flu young/healthy people will likely get over it. It just seems to be mostly killing the already nearly-dead with underlying health conditions anyway and they're probably the ones that need to self-isolate unless it starts killing anyone else.
sr. member
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March 17, 2020, 07:13:22 AM
Here is the best run-down of the standard physiology of 'the coronavirus' that I have seen yet:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWzbArPgo-o

Ninja Nerd rarely fails to impress.

A person who can go through this thing, follow it, and predict some or most things before he says the answer will probably be resistant to having smoke blown up their ass by the various scammers and drug peddlers.  These include mainstream doctors and 'homeopaths'.
Gave up after 0.27 Sec. If someone starts talking about the COVID-19 virus, is game over.
One member of the Coronavirus familiy is the SARS-CoV-2 virus it causes the COVID-19 disease.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html
legendary
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March 17, 2020, 06:57:11 AM
Here is the best run-down of the standard physiology of 'the coronavirus' that I have seen yet:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWzbArPgo-o

Ninja Nerd rarely fails to impress.

A person who can go through this thing, follow it, and predict some or most things before he says the answer will probably be resistant to having smoke blown up their ass by the various scammers and drug peddlers.  These include mainstream doctors and 'homeopaths'.

legendary
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March 17, 2020, 05:16:07 AM
I found a very interesting resource.
I think this is the best medical resource I saw so far (not a medic here).

These are medics discussing over a Skype Call diagnosis, therapies and best practises dealing with CoronaVirus patient.

Some people here on the forum, whose mother is currently treated in the hospital, confiorms the protocol they are discussing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CegCk3FwvQ&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR19Uxqe_Bh2QBMBarP4VlW8ZzkQ_SIK_n0IY0nT_PPQTSUC17l8Kz45Oms

if you don't speak italian you can activate subtitles and select your language,. I don't know how reliable are these computer-generated-autotranslated subtitles.

Hope it helps.

legendary
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March 17, 2020, 01:21:04 AM
Or is it just a virus like dozens of others? Not everything has to be a conspiracy

Yep, just your run of the mill every day standard global pandemic with world changing consequences. Happens all the time.

Dozens? I think there might be a few more than that.

legendary
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March 17, 2020, 01:15:19 AM

Please take note that there is a creep around here who calls himself E_O_I_L_I_O or something like that.  He claims to be a doctor.  I kinda doubted it because he is fairly weak technically, but I was doubtful cypherdoc held a medical degree because he was so stupid and I turned out to be wrong on that one.

Anyway, said douchebag has a self-moderated thread here where he has posted a few copy/paste blurbs that look official but have no particularly useful or interesting information.  I suspect he is just trying to look professional, but very few people seem to have read it or posted.  I replied to the only response (which happened to be a pretty good and useful bit of info unlike Oily's tripe) and my response was promptly deleted.  As anticipated.

Anyway, here's what Mr. a-hole tried to censor.  In these times a VERY useful tag for what is worth reading is if it has been censored.

I am seeing reports that people who take ACE inhibitors and anti-inflammatory drugs may be more susceptible. Do you have any information on this?

Also flu vaccination.

  https://youtu.be/TieuTQDhFm0?t=3600

We know what 'doctor' Oileo will say about that.  Namely:  "All vaccines are safe-n-effective.  Get your vaccines every day and twice on Sundays."

sr. member
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March 17, 2020, 01:02:49 AM
69 Countries who have infected but have not reported any death or recovered
40 have reported nobody died from COVID-19 so far,  up 4 from previous day
25 more have died as recovered to this day
The  mostly aged Cruise Ship Passanger recover at a good rate.
Data from Worldometer
* Health expenditure of GDP in 2016.  The winner was Monaco with 1.75%   Source
-----------------DeathsRec.Death/Rec.GDP *
Singapore01090,00%4,47%
Malaysia0420,00%3,80%
UAE0230,00%3,52%
Vietnam0160,00%5,66%
Macao0100,00%4,98%
Finland0100,00%9,49%
Kuwait090,00%3,90%
Oman090,00%4,29%
Romania090,00%4,98%
Russia080,00%5,27%
Saudi Arabia060,00%5,74%
Qatar040,00%3,08%
Mexico040,00%5,47%
Israel040,00%7,31%
Bangladesh030,00%2,36%
Belarus030,00%6,32%
Czechia030,00%7,15%
Croatia030,00%7,18%
Senegal020,00%5,51%
Jamaica020,00%6,07%
BosniaHerzegovina020,00%9,23%
Malta020,00%9,30%
Brazil020,00%11,77%
Nigeria010,00%3,65%
Sri Lanka010,00%3,89%
Peru010,00%5,14%
Jordan010,00%5,47%
Colombia010,00%5,91%
Cambodia010,00%6,08%
Latvia010,00%6,24%
Nepal010,00%6,29%
N Macedonia010,00%6,34%
Lithuania010,00%6,67%
Estonia010,00%6,68%
Georgia010,00%8,44%
Moldova010,00%8,98%
Serbia010,00%9,14%
Gibraltar010,00%9,76%
Armenia010,00%9,93%
Afghanistan010,00%10,20%
Bahrain1811,23%4,87%
Diamond Princess74561,54%
Thailand1352,86%3,71%
China3226686904,70%4,98%
Hong Kong4814,94%6,20%
Taiwan1205,00%6,20%
S. Korea8114015,78%7,34%
Egypt43212,50%4,64%
India21315,38%3,66%
Azerbaijan1616,67%6,89%
Iran853499617,07%8,10%
Australia52718,52%9,25%
Japan2814419,44%10,93%
Germany176725,37%11,14%
Iraq103231,25%3,31%
Portugal1333,33%9,08%
Canada41136,36%10,53%
Austria3837,50%10,44%
Algeria41040,00%6,65%
Ireland2540,00%7,38%
Greece4850,00%8,45%
Pakistan1250,00%2,75%
Hungary1250,00%7,36%
Indonesia5862,50%3,12%
Spain34253064,53%8,97%
Argentina2366,67%7,55%
Italy2158274978,50%8,94%
Lebanon33100,00%8,02%
Morocco11100,00%5,84%
UK5552105,77%9,76%
USA9174122,97%17,07%
San Marino74175,00%6,40%
Philippines125240,00%4,39%
Norway31300,00%10,50%
Denmark41400,00%10,35%
Switzerland194475,00%12,25%
Sweden71700,00%10,93%
Belgium1011000,00%10,04%
Netherlands2421200,00%10,36%
France148121233,33%11,54%
Guyana10,1#1000,00%4,24%
Sudan10,1#1000,00%5,66%
Guatemala10,1#1000,00%5,82%
Dominican Rep10,1#1000,00%6,16%
Luxembourg10,1#1000,00%6,16%
Albania10,1#1000,00%6,70%
Ukraine10,1#1000,00%6,73%
Panama10,1#1000,00%7,26%
Slovenia10,1#1000,00%8,47%
Cayman Islands10,1#1000,00%
Martinique10,1#1000,00%
Bulgaria20,1#2000,00%8,23%
Ecuador20,1#2000,00%8,39%
Poland40,1#4000,00%6,52%
# Lets give some credit and assume some partially recovered to get past div 0
copper member
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March 16, 2020, 08:57:14 PM
In his press conference today, I noticed a few subtle things that Trump said. He referred to the coronavirus as an "enemy". Also, when being asked about airline bailouts, he mentioned it is not the airlines fault there is such a large decline in travel demand, then he said that the effects of the coronavirus is not anyone's fault except where it came from, or something along the lines.

Trump also referred to the coronavirus as the "Chinese Virus" in a tweet a few hours ago. This has caused both "Chinese Virus" and "American Virus" to trend on Twitter. The latter is either social media manipulation by the Chinese government, or people on Twitter are so triggered by anything Trump says, they will blame him for something America's chief adversary is responsible for.
legendary
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March 16, 2020, 07:14:08 PM
If it weren't for our wives freaking out about CV, there'd be a whole bunch more of us in the forum here.

Cool
hero member
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March 16, 2020, 06:14:36 PM
C'mon! Nobody would use a bioweapon that infects the whole planet. That's like actually using nuclear weapons, which makes absolutely no sense.

Yeah because humans have never purposely depopulated or perpetrated genocide on tens or hundreds of millions of people before right? You also assume their goal isn't to cause total economic breakdown. There are a lot of people getting FILTHY rich off of this crisis, let alone the amount of control this is giving governments all over the world an excuse to take. The CCP LOVES this outbreak. Now they have an excuse to lock down the whole nation, stop any dissidents, and round them up for "quarantine" never to be seen again.


I have a high level of confidence that this is a bioweapon

At 3-4% fatality rate?  Must be US made.  Smiley

You assume the goal is to have maximum fatalities. What if the goal is to cause economic chaos to profit from it and give governments excuses to systematically strip rights? This outbreak seems to be achieving those objectives pretty efficiently.

Also, you ever hear of the military strategy of using sappers before? What causes more harm? Killing a soldier, or wounding them so they take up several times more resources to care for? Stop getting your concept of what bio-weapons are from movies.


More:

"Coronavirus Australia: Queensland researchers find ‘cure’, want drug trial"

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5


Speaking of achieving ulterior motives and control:

"Denmark rushes through emergency coronavirus law"

https://www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law

"As well as enforcing quarantine measures, the law also allows the authorities to force people to be vaccinated"


Or is it just a virus like dozens of others? Not everything has to be a conspiracy
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March 16, 2020, 06:13:42 PM
Boldface by the not-dispassionately-rational “Passionate”; highlighting is mine:
I think its best if every country's military starts getting deployed in every area in their region and systematically check every person if infected with the virus.

Roll Eyes

  • Government control of food supplies
  • Government control of both local and long-distance travel
  • Arbitrary lockdowns
  • Direct government control of each individual’s body, under the rubric of e.g. “healthcare”
  • Arbitrary, peremptory government orders of any kind whatsoever
  • Total government control of communications*
(* In my nightmare, this has not yet started; thus, I would still be able to post this message.  The worst part of my nightmare is when I discover that dissent is so marginal amidst the mass-panic, the government finds it unnecessary to control communications.)

All of these actions are praised by the sheep, due to mass panic.  Dissidents will be immediately labelled “conspiracy theorists” and/or accused of wanting for people to die.

[...]



What a nightmare!  I am glad that I don’t live in that world.

* nullius shakes himself awake.



Dude. You leave me speechless. [...]

Trollpost threshold exceeded. bye.

Ja, there was nothing trollish about drawing an analogy between the coronavirus and Hitler, accusing Tyroleans of “infecting half of Europe”, and giving standard-issue due to our history rhetoric about how “that comparison with Hitler is hard to understand for people that have no german or austrian background”.  Didn’t leave me speechless at all!

Never mind, i should have made better use of my brain before making that comparison.

That is true.
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March 16, 2020, 04:57:12 PM
I think its best if every country's military starts getting deployed in every area in their region and systematically check every person if infected with the virus.

Truth is what we are seeing in the https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries are just reported numbers of people who have been checked but the amount of people getting check up are probably, in my opinion just throwing some numbers in, just below 5% of the total population.



legendary
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March 16, 2020, 04:37:46 PM
USA claims that the first stage of the vaccine is under process. Hope that we get a cure soon. Italy numbers are scary and feel so bad to see people rushing to get their basic groceries from the stores and standing in those long queues.
legendary
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March 16, 2020, 04:28:13 PM
So there was Hitler, born in Austria, infected almost the whole of Europe.
Today there is Tyrol, infecting half of Europe with SARS-CoV-2.

You win the prize for the stupidest rhetoric of the day.  And today, the competition is extraordinary!

Do you even have a point?  Let’s see...

Later...
That comparison with Hitler is hard to understand for people that have no german or austrian background.

Hmmm...

Back to the previous post:
I feel ashamed.

EDIT: And angry.

Oh, I get it, anonymous screen name who implicitly claims to be of German or Austrian background:  “‘Due to our history’, we need to somehow make sure to blame the coronavirus on Germans.”

Why do I get the feeling that if the Tyrolean government had immediately placed the whole region on lockdown, you would be accusing them of Nazism?  Roll Eyes



No, I’m not inclined to waste more time with this.  We now return to the regularly schedule programme of lessons on how the coronavirus can be prevented with megadoses of vitamins.

Dude. You leave me speechless.
Getting personal from the beginning, insinuating that i would do/be X based on Y (your imagination?). No objectiveness at all.
Trollpost threshold exceeded. bye.

EDIT: just saw the vitamin megadose line...  Shocked Roll Eyes
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