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Quite possibly. America has politicians who can be bought, and stock ownership in its news companies can be bought. For some time we've been seeing what might be characterized as international interests influencing and disrupting things here.

An OAN reporter asked Trump about the left wing media outlets repeating the Chinese government propaganda and what he thought about that in his press conference today.

Most of the media was referring to the coronavirus as being originated and/or associated with China until it became a serious problem in most of the world and started overwhelming European health care systems. Having the coronavirus be associated with China has the potential to upend their role in the global economy and community.

A lot of Western companies were willing to look the other way with regards to the theft of IP, and human rights violations because it meant short term profits and lots of money for high level executives. The coronavirus should change that because it will have more than erased those short term profits and in a lot of cases, caused death to many that are close to business executives.

In Italy, in terms of percentage of their population, they are basically going through a 9/11 every day with how many of their people are dying. I think the Chinese realize that no amount of propaganda can account for this and are sending hundreds of doctors and lots of medical equipment to try to mitigate the damage.

Communists do not care about human life. That is their defining characteristic. The only thing they do well is kill their own people.

They also lie. There is no way the disease spread exponentially, and then suddenly flatlined. It is just not possible.

I don't have to ignore anything. That paper is not exclusive of it being a bio-weapon, naturally evolved or not. The critical flaw with your logic is you assume the people responsible would give a fuck about the general population, even if it was their own host nation.

Hedge fund manager apologizes for wiping saliva on Hong Kong metro rail
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-hongkong-hedgefund-idUSKBN2160IB
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/fkqzrc/foreigner_caught_spreading_disease_through_saliva/

Anyone else notice how many of the news stories about Covid-19 and the Trump administration's response are completely polarized and contradictory?  It seems like like many, including some of his harshest critics are actually commending Trump's response.  One critic who was reacently clamoring for his impleachment actually said that "he is being the kind of leader that people need" in this situation.  Even Ilhan Omar complemented the president on this actions.

But many stories are trying to paint a different picture.  So many are claiming he's inept, ignorant, unresponsive, blah, blah, blah.  I know from first hand knowledge how misleading those stories are.  I work for a company that's at the forefront of this battle, the president has mentioned us by name a few times during his press conferences in the past week.  We, among many of our competitors have been working tirelessly to help fight this virus, and our internal communications have made it very clear that the administration is leading this effort and sparing no resource in helping us in this fight.

I read two stories yesterday (that I can't seem to find anymore) that had the same premise, but different conclusions.  Both stories claimed that in 2017 the Trump administration was instructed by exiting Obama officials on how to deal with a pandemic.  One story was crediting Obama for Trump's success, while the other story claimed that Trump's failure is due to his administration rejecting Obama's instructions.  Both stories were very kind to Obama, while being harsh on Trump.  Both claimed that Obama's response to the 2011-2012 SARS pandemic was beyond reproach, which I know to be utter bull shit.  Obama didn't do shit until 1000 Americans had died from SARS.

It makes me wonder, who stands to benefit from this contradictory, and obviously misleading information?  Who stands to gain if the Trump administration is made to look like a bunch of inept, babbling buffoons?  The obvious answer is the Democrats, but I don't think that's where it stops.  

Who else?  Possibly the people who are responsible for the virus in the first place?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-praises-trumps-incredible-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/17/cnns_dana_bash_on_coronavirus_president_trump_is_being_the_kind_of_leader_that_people_need.html

Hopefully this is some nice news to hear for fillippone and those in widely known affected areas globally with the covid-19 virus outbreak.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/remdesivir-surges-ahead-against-coronavirus
Yet they are giving it to the US and Canada first and not to areas which are having people dying at a volume in the 1000s.

https://www.axios.com/scoop-bayer-to-donate-potential-coronavirus-drug-to-us-cc8c1a5a-6a14-4e36-8b07-07eccf4eff36.html
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/special-access/drugs/remdesivir.html
Just disturbing how the world works to be honest.

Even if we were to go into the thought process that this was a bio weapon, and to ignore the evidence suggesting the other side of things. Here's where we would get with that.

Who is this bio weapon for? China? China was ravagaed by this virus and many people were infected and died in China. Was it Iran? Same thing happened to them. Who would do this that isn't going to be effected by it in some way? I don't know, this is not something you'd, be able to control and just set it upon one person.

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Maybe Italy was instructed to make some demographic shifts happen in exchange for being bailed out by the international banking system.  Think of it as a form of 'austerity'.  Population engineering would be pretty standard 'technocracy' which we will probably all see soon enough.

The null hypothesis is as follows:

 - Big 'non-profits'(*), NGO's, etc are not sponsored by billionaires.

 - billionaires don't get tax write-offs by 'donating' to 'charity'.

 - billionaires (and royalty) are no more likely to be eugenics enthusiast than anyone else.

 - billionaire (and royalty) are no more likely to worry about overpopulation than anyone else.

 - people who 'give' millions of dollars to an organization never ask that the organization takes a particular direction.

 - ...but if they do, it is not correlated with the individual interests of the donor.

You see, the problem I have being a 'normie' is that I have to accept all kinds of idiocy in order to sustain the 'approved' thought patterns expected of someone of that class.  I also need to pretend like very obvious historical and current observations which are right in front of my face simply don't exist.  I just cannot and will not do it.  Sorry.

Now what I could do would be to keep my mouth shut about things and either hide in my hole watching, or participate in the evil for fun and profit.  That isn't my thing.  Plus if I make believe that I would someday have to explain myself and my life to St. Peter, I would have a hard time.  I use that as a guide for my behavior even though I'm a fairly staunch athiest and don't expect to be standing before the guy at any point.

(*) 'non-profit' status doesn't limit the principles in the organization from taking home multi-hundred-thousand-per-year salaries and often they do.  And by working effectively on the projects which are important to the sponsors it is likely that a principle can supplement their salary handsomely through other channels.

 
Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.

This is happening in italy:

Non sappiamo davvero quanti sono i morti
(We really don't know how many dead are there)

Link to translated article

I have not seen anyone say that. Where are you getting this?

Nevermind.

Just answer one tiny question. Is there any possibility that they are wrong?

Most of the world would get caught in a US/China war yes. I still say, China must be destroyed. They brought us the spanish flu, the plague, even the yearly sniffles. Even if all they do is be disgustingly unhygienic, that is more than enough justification to wipe them off the map and lower the number of diseases they spread to the rest of the world. You wouldn't tolerate an open pit full of shit in your back yard, why do we tolerate a much larger version of that on the planet?

From the paper: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

"They conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution," Goulding adds, "ending any speculation about deliberate genetic engineering."

Genetic engineering is not the same thing as forced mutation and selective evolution. They claim to be ruling out genetic engineering. Even assuming this is true, this is not the only way a virus can be manipulated to selectively mutate certain traits in a lab.


"By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes,"

Accelerated mutation and selective evolution is still a natural process. Even assuming there was absolutely no human interference with the evolution of this virus whatsoever, this still doesn't mean it is not a bio-weapon. A naturally evolved virus can still be intentionally released and used as a weapon. Nothing I am saying is even remotely debatable, it is fact.

In other words, he works at a place which exists so the multi-billionairs can enjoy their hobbies tax-free.  Said patrons have a nasty propensity to gravitate toward eugenics and de-population for whatever reason.

those conspiracy people trying to set a narrative that sars 2002 vs 2019 are too strangely mutated to be natiural

im sorry to inform you of these details:
1. it didnt just disapear in 2002 and miraculously reappear in 2019 as a new megastrain
2. the virus is and has been around every year from as far back as recorded in 1960's

each year people get it. but most years the new seasonal mutation is not strong because people built up an immunity the year before so a similar thing the following year makes your body not go into super overload fight mode.

however every 5-10 years the next seasonal mutation does change in a new direction naturally and can be more sever then the previous 5-10 years seasonal symptoms

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lastly the mutation is not changing by the day with each person it passes. stop trying to pretend that there are 5million varients of sars 2019.
yes the flu in winter 2020 will be a new varient than winter 2019 but stop thinking its a new mutation every day in the last couple months.

the virus itself is not deadly. what is causing most issues is if the body does not recognise a new pathogen your body goes into mega fight mode as its unsure what to do with it.
if the body does recognise it due to having it previously or vaccinated against it. then the body knows exactly what to do without causing too much severeity.
this new strain is just different enough than previous seasons to confuse the body. so es when in the lungs your lungs natural inflammatory system will try burning the virus which can cause discomfort and breathing issues. your mucus and throat wil react. and if hard to breath your heart wil work harder.

if your weak immune your body has to work even harder. if you have lung problems you wil feel it more severely as your body works harder. and heart problems are more severe as your body works harder.
the virus is not killing your heart. its actually oyour heart pressuring ITSELF to work harder to cope with trying to fight the virus.

so ll you conspiracy people thinking the virus has been genetically designed in a lab to identify people by age.. your dumb
all you conspiracy nutters thinking its been lab created to itself attack the heart. your dumb
all you nutter that think it can identify what medication people take your dumber then a dumb person giving birth to a dumb person

can you please stop conspiracy theorising and instead actually fact check
do not just form an idea and then search specifically for quotes that match your formed idea.
instead find all facts from all sides and actually be critical about it all and let the facts form your opinion.. not the other way round

Sorry to burst your bubble but you don't know more about this issue than the authors of this article, who work for the largest non-profit biomedical research organization in the United States.

An "accelerated forced mutation process"? Because you have no idea how little you understand about the issue, you will have no way of understanding why you are so incredibly wrong.

"This would essentially be mostly indistinguishable from natural evolution."

 

First of all, there's an entire section of the article called "Evidence for natural evolution".



"Accelerated forced mutation" is NOT the same thing as "natural evolution."

They're not saying "similar to natural evolution," they're saying it is natural evolution. But because you are so very very smart you know better than the people whose jobs it is to study the topic day and night, right?

They studied the issue. You did not. That is why I support their conclusion:


over yours:


1,000x, every day of the week.

Oh, but let me guess, they are just political pawns used to facilitate a cover-up. And meanwhile you're completely unbiased and just presenting facts as you see them. Right.

Cough in the elbow has been a thing since months in Italy.



Official testimonial:

While I agree it was likely a bio-weapon, and that study seems to make some very strangely worded conclusions for a scientific paper giving me the distinct impression it serves more political purposes than scientific ones. Even if the article is totally accurate, this is only something that excludes genetic engineering, not an accelerated forced mutation process done by raising many generations of the virus in a targeted environment. This would essentially be mostly indistinguishable from natural evolution.


Still, we need to chill this type of revenge rhetoric. This could just as easily have been done by a 3rd party in order to try to entrap the US and China into a devastating war. This event fits the bill of an opening salvo in open kinetic warfare, and even if you don't live in the US or China, this isn't something that will end well for anyone if it happens.