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legendary
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
March 16, 2020, 04:23:44 PM
There have been incubation times of up to 24 days reported.

Sure, why not. It's a complex system. Results may be influenced by various dependencies, mainly when based on statistics.
Incubation time(s) can only be found out exactly by observation, for example intentionally infect carriers in the lab and measure time until symptoms occur.
Everything else is more or less guessing.
copper member
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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
March 16, 2020, 04:22:01 PM
So there was Hitler, born in Austria, infected almost the whole of Europe.
Today there is Tyrol, infecting half of Europe with SARS-CoV-2.

You win the prize for the stupidest rhetoric of the day.  And today, the competition is extraordinary!

Do you even have a point?  Let’s see...

Later...
That comparison with Hitler is hard to understand for people that have no german or austrian background.

Hmmm...

Back to the previous post:
I feel ashamed.

EDIT: And angry.

Oh, I get it, anonymous screen name who implicitly claims to be of German or Austrian background:  “‘Due to our history’, we need to somehow make sure to blame the coronavirus on Germans.”

Why do I get the feeling that if the Tyrolean government had immediately placed the whole region on lockdown, you would be accusing them of Nazism?  Roll Eyes



No, I’m not inclined to waste more time with this.  We now return to the regularly schedule programme of lessons on how the coronavirus can be prevented with megadoses of vitamins.
legendary
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March 16, 2020, 04:14:54 PM
There have been incubation times of up to 24 days reported.
legendary
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
March 16, 2020, 04:12:39 PM

Idk, 'Conclusion:
This work provides additional evidence for a median incubation period for COVID-19 of approximately 5 days, similar to SARS.'  (https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2762808/incubation-period-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-from-publicly-reported)

Also, a doubling time of 6 days? Where did you see that? According to this https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ the doubling time seems to be faster?

In my area (europe) doubling rate is between 2,3d and 3d. But the epidemic is "fresh", a little over 1000 cases identified, less than 10 dead.
The time the virus persists on surfaces is about 14 days, evidences of up to 27 days are researched. No details on environment given, so the virus may persist in dark places with optimal environment temperature and humidity and on certain type of surface much longer than outdoors in direct sunlight. Main infection pathway is inhaling contaminated droplets (wear mask) and direct contact with the receiver's mucosa (wash your hands, don't touch your face, wear googles, take frequent showers).
Incubation time is definitely discussed and researched to be 3 in between 14 days, whereas details come out sparingly and only kind of confirmed by statistics, contact tracing etc. Results vary. So both of you are right on this, imho.

C'mon! Nobody would use a bioweapon that infects the whole planet. That's like actually using nuclear weapons, which makes absolutely no sense.

Yeah because humans have never purposely depopulated or perpetrated genocide on tens or hundreds of millions of people before right? You also assume their goal isn't to cause total economic breakdown. There are a lot of people getting FILTHY rich off of this crisis, let alone the amount of control this is giving governments all over the world an excuse to take. The CCP LOVES this outbreak. Now they have an excuse to lock down the whole nation, stop any dissidents, and round them up for "quarantine" never to be seen again.


You can not project the past onto the future. This is why TA is failing more than occasionally, by the way.
Also, for example, just because aliens may exist (because not proven otherwise) does not mean they are actually existing.
This is a reverse approach to science, and we have science for a reason. Science proves knowledge through falsification. Most people get that wrong and confuse science with research.
legendary
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March 16, 2020, 04:11:59 PM
C'mon! Nobody would use a bioweapon that infects the whole planet. That's like actually using nuclear weapons, which makes absolutely no sense.

Yeah because humans have never purposely depopulated or perpetrated genocide on tens or hundreds of millions of people before right? You also assume their goal isn't to cause total economic breakdown. There are a lot of people getting FILTHY rich off of this crisis, let alone the amount of control this is giving governments all over the world an excuse to take. The CCP LOVES this outbreak. Now they have an excuse to lock down the whole nation, stop any dissidents, and round them up for "quarantine" never to be seen again.


I have a high level of confidence that this is a bioweapon

At 3-4% fatality rate?  Must be US made.  Smiley

You assume the goal is to have maximum fatalities. What if the goal is to cause economic chaos to profit from it and give governments excuses to systematically strip rights? This outbreak seems to be achieving those objectives pretty efficiently.

Also, you ever hear of the military strategy of using sappers before? What causes more harm? Killing a soldier, or wounding them so they take up several times more resources to care for? Stop getting your concept of what bio-weapons are from movies.


More:

"Coronavirus Australia: Queensland researchers find ‘cure’, want drug trial"

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5


Speaking of achieving ulterior motives and control:

"Denmark rushes through emergency coronavirus law"

https://www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law

"As well as enforcing quarantine measures, the law also allows the authorities to force people to be vaccinated"
legendary
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March 16, 2020, 04:06:52 PM
I have a high level of confidence that this is a bioweapon

At 3-4% fatality rate?  Must be US made.  Smiley
Look closer.

Closer to what mate? According to the recent stats at 181k confirmed cases and 7k deaths, it's less than 4%. However, according to scientists, the number of infected people is waay higher than official numbers. What's your point exactly?
The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks and the number of infected has a doubling time of 6 days. This gives us, roughly, death/(currentinfected/4). Or in other words multiply the 4% by 4 for the correct number.

The second main method to calculate it is death/(death+cured). Pick whichever one you prefer.

'The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks' Where did you get this info from?
Common knowledge for weeks. At least. Check google and youtube.

No, it's not common knowledge, just give us your source or shut the fuck up. You are making shit up.
Alright look. I have very little investment in this thread and none in you. I do not have time to hunt for a direct link that you may or may not choose to poo-poo on. I told you where you can go to find the info you want. If you don't care enough to spend 30 seconds to do a search then that's on you.

Idk, 'Conclusion:
This work provides additional evidence for a median incubation period for COVID-19 of approximately 5 days, similar to SARS.'  (https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2762808/incubation-period-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-from-publicly-reported)
Up to 14 days. That's the important part.

Also, a doubling time of 6 days? Where did you see that? According to this https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ the doubling time seems to be faster?
Exact numbers are constantly changing as things develop, and italy is one of the hardest hit areas. The point is, people are calculating it wrong and any actual expert knows it is wrong. Legacy media, health officials and politicians are outright lying to us.
hero member
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March 16, 2020, 03:55:27 PM
I have a high level of confidence that this is a bioweapon

At 3-4% fatality rate?  Must be US made.  Smiley
Look closer.

Closer to what mate? According to the recent stats at 181k confirmed cases and 7k deaths, it's less than 4%. However, according to scientists, the number of infected people is waay higher than official numbers. What's your point exactly?
The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks and the number of infected has a doubling time of 6 days. This gives us, roughly, death/(currentinfected/4). Or in other words multiply the 4% by 4 for the correct number.

The second main method to calculate it is death/(death+cured). Pick whichever one you prefer.

'The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks' Where did you get this info from?
Common knowledge for weeks. At least. Check google and youtube.

No, it's not common knowledge, just give us your source or shut the fuck up. You are making shit up.
Alright look. I have very little investment in this thread and none in you. I do not have time to hunt for a direct link that you may or may not choose to poo-poo on. I told you where you can go to find the info you want. If you don't care enough to spend 30 seconds to do a search then that's on you.

Idk, 'Conclusion:
This work provides additional evidence for a median incubation period for COVID-19 of approximately 5 days, similar to SARS.'  (https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2762808/incubation-period-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-from-publicly-reported)

Also, a doubling time of 6 days? Where did you see that? According to this https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ the doubling time seems to be faster?
legendary
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March 16, 2020, 03:49:50 PM
I have a high level of confidence that this is a bioweapon

At 3-4% fatality rate?  Must be US made.  Smiley
Look closer.

Closer to what mate? According to the recent stats at 181k confirmed cases and 7k deaths, it's less than 4%. However, according to scientists, the number of infected people is waay higher than official numbers. What's your point exactly?
The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks and the number of infected has a doubling time of 6 days. This gives us, roughly, death/(currentinfected/4). Or in other words multiply the 4% by 4 for the correct number.

The second main method to calculate it is death/(death+cured). Pick whichever one you prefer.

'The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks' Where did you get this info from?
Common knowledge for weeks. At least. Check google and youtube.

No, it's not common knowledge, just give us your source or shut the fuck up. You are making shit up.
Alright look. I have very little investment in this thread and none in you. I do not have time to hunt for a direct link that you may or may not choose to poo-poo on. I told you where you can go to find the info you want. If you don't care enough to spend 30 seconds to do a search then that's on you.
hero member
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March 16, 2020, 03:47:16 PM
I have a high level of confidence that this is a bioweapon

At 3-4% fatality rate?  Must be US made.  Smiley
Look closer.

Closer to what mate? According to the recent stats at 181k confirmed cases and 7k deaths, it's less than 4%. However, according to scientists, the number of infected people is waay higher than official numbers. What's your point exactly?
The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks and the number of infected has a doubling time of 6 days. This gives us, roughly, death/(currentinfected/4). Or in other words multiply the 4% by 4 for the correct number.

The second main method to calculate it is death/(death+cured). Pick whichever one you prefer.

'The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks' Where did you get this info from?
Common knowledge for weeks. At least. Check google and youtube.

No, it's not common knowledge, just give us your source or shut the fuck up. You are making shit up.
legendary
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March 16, 2020, 03:39:31 PM
I have a high level of confidence that this is a bioweapon

At 3-4% fatality rate?  Must be US made.  Smiley
Look closer.

Closer to what mate? According to the recent stats at 181k confirmed cases and 7k deaths, it's less than 4%. However, according to scientists, the number of infected people is waay higher than official numbers. What's your point exactly?
The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks and the number of infected has a doubling time of 6 days. This gives us, roughly, death/(currentinfected/4). Or in other words multiply the 4% by 4 for the correct number.

The second main method to calculate it is death/(death+cured). Pick whichever one you prefer.

'The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks' Where did you get this info from?
Common knowledge for weeks. At least. Check google and youtube.
hero member
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March 16, 2020, 03:36:32 PM
I have a high level of confidence that this is a bioweapon

At 3-4% fatality rate?  Must be US made.  Smiley
Look closer.

Closer to what mate? According to the recent stats at 181k confirmed cases and 7k deaths, it's less than 4%. However, according to scientists, the number of infected people is waay higher than official numbers. What's your point exactly?
The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks and the number of infected has a doubling time of 6 days. This gives us, roughly, death/(currentinfected/4). Or in other words multiply the 4% by 4 for the correct number.

The second main method to calculate it is death/(death+cured). Pick whichever one you prefer.

'The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks' Where did you get this info from?
legendary
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March 16, 2020, 03:23:40 PM

The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks and the number of infected has a doubling time of 6 days. This gives us, roughly, death/(currentinfected/4). Or in other words multiply the 4% by 4 for the correct number.

The second main method to calculate it is death/(death+cured). Pick whichever one you prefer.

But you need accurate statistics for what is going on in the first place.

Cool
And therefore...
legendary
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March 16, 2020, 03:17:17 PM

The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks and the number of infected has a doubling time of 6 days. This gives us, roughly, death/(currentinfected/4). Or in other words multiply the 4% by 4 for the correct number.

The second main method to calculate it is death/(death+cured). Pick whichever one you prefer.

But you need accurate statistics for what is going on in the first place.

Cool
legendary
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March 16, 2020, 03:07:14 PM
Italian daily update:


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Coronavirus: 23.073 positive cases
16 March 2020

Update at 18.00
 

At Civil Protection Department Headquarters, the Operational Committee keeps working to ensure the coordination of all operations  by the components and operational structures of the National Civil Protection Service. As per health monitoring activities related to the spread of Coronavirus across national territory, at present 23.073 people have tested positive. To date, the total number of assessed cases in Italy is 3,858.

In detail: there are currently 10.861 positive cases in Lombardy, 3.088 in Emilia-Romagna, 2.274 in Veneto, 1.185 in the Marche, 1.405 in Piedmont, 841 in Tuscany, 575 in Liguria, 472 in Lazio, 363 in Campania, 346 in Friuli Venezia Giulia, 367 in the autonomous Province of Trento*, 325 in the autonomous Province of Bolzano, 212 in Puglia*, 203 in Sicily, 159 in Umbria, 165 in Abruzzo, 87 in Calabria, 105 in Sardinia, 103 in the Aosta Valley, 15 in Molise and 12 in Basilicata.

2.749 patients have recovered. 2.158 died, however, this number can be confirmed only upon certification of cause of death by the Istituto Superiore di Sanità.



SOURCE:
http://www.protezionecivile.gov.it/media-communication/press-release/detail/-/asset_publisher/default/content/coronavirus-sono-23-073-i-positivi


Jhon Hopkins Univerity like Dashboard for Italy.
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Random news form Italy.

  • Morgues are full, coffins are being stockpiled in the churces, against every law
  • New ICU are being frantically built, in some city they also tought about using empry ferries for this. The point is that workforcee is missing and also machineries, which are of course much needed for this kind of units.
  • Anedoctical evidence of increased number od deaths in the more striken regions: on local newspaper thare is 5x obituaries. These aren't counted on official stats, but it is surely uncommon
  • This is starting to worry also hospitals, they "know" there is a lot more out ther not being detected and cured. This is potentially catastrophic for the Health System LINK IN ITALIAN
legendary
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March 16, 2020, 03:01:33 PM
I have a high level of confidence that this is a bioweapon

At 3-4% fatality rate?  Must be US made.  Smiley
Look closer.

Closer to what mate? According to the recent stats at 181k confirmed cases and 7k deaths, it's less than 4%. However, according to scientists, the number of infected people is waay higher than official numbers. What's your point exactly?
The virus is asymptomatic for 2 weeks and the number of infected has a doubling time of 6 days. This gives us, roughly, death/(currentinfected/4). Or in other words multiply the 4% by 4 for the correct number.

The second main method to calculate it is death/(death+cured). Pick whichever one you prefer.
legendary
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March 16, 2020, 02:56:33 PM
Remember: You should judge them by their actions, not by their words.
They released a deadly virus that went global and is still spreading. It does not matter if it was accidental or deliberate. In the adult world results are what matter.

Only idiots would use weapons they can't control.
Yes. They are communists.
hero member
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March 16, 2020, 02:53:06 PM
I have a high level of confidence that this is a bioweapon

At 3-4% fatality rate?  Must be US made.  Smiley
Look closer.

Closer to what mate? According to the recent stats at 181k confirmed cases and 7k deaths, it's less than 4%. However, according to scientists, the number of infected people is waay higher than official numbers. What's your point exactly?
sr. member
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March 16, 2020, 02:36:04 PM
Viruses dont like moist hot air, its a fakt.
Finland and Russians spent a lot of time in saunas, looking at the death to recovery stats they fare a lot better than Iran, cold and dry now.
Bodys natural defence to the flu is to sweating and fever.
Cheap steam inhaling machine is almost a must have in times like this.


BS.
Once you have the virus inside the body, it's too late.
Moist air makes the virus fall to the ground faster, so it can't move around in the air.
The warmth is not responsible as much as the high UV radiation in summer, which damages the hull (shell) of any coronavirus. Inside the body it's 37 degree celsius, and the virus can replicate in this hot-moist environment. Above 40° it's over for the little bastard, but this is also critical for the human heart and brain. We're speaking body core temperature here, by the way.
Think twice.
If summers UV radiation won't help contain the virus by killing it, we're pretty fucked. Let's hope the best.
Emergency rooms are desinfected with robots carrying UV-C lamps. If temperature and humidity were the reason for the virus to die off, they would be decontaminated with hot steam. God, please think!

EDIT: The virus likes to spread indoors. Like the flu and many other respiratory pathogens. Indoors almost no UV-C radiation is present. T.h.i.n.k....
Sure, nature has no clue. Fever and sweat is the only natureal defence for influenca virus.
Yes it is very dry indoors with central heaters, or electric, some put moisturisers on the radiator to make air quality better.

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Once you have the virus inside the body, it's too late.
Ah, thats why 85% of the cases are mild.

This is just wrong. Virus load does not correlate to severeness of symptoms. that's science, baby. go ask google or browse tweets of any virologist that has some reputation.
I don't know what you mean with "nature has no clue". Do you even know how immune response works? Why our own immune system is attacking lung tissue that is contaminated with a virus? People die because of the immune reaction (or it's secondary effects), not because of the virus.
What is next you want to tell me people die from hiv and not aids, or from SARS-COV-2 and not COVID-19
If you get to flu, the first response from the immunsystem is fever and sweat until it has time to get organized and deal with the situation.

Different viruses multiply best in different temperatures.
Common cold, which infect the cooler upper airway and sinuses, grow best between 33 and 35º C.
The influenza viruses "the Flu", which infect the whole body, grow best at temperatures only slightly below body temperature and at 40º C  will die off after 12-24 hours.
At 30° they no longer exit, host already long death.
legendary
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
March 16, 2020, 02:22:08 PM
Viruses dont like moist hot air, its a fakt.
Finland and Russians spent a lot of time in saunas, looking at the death to recovery stats they fare a lot better than Iran, cold and dry now.
Bodys natural defence to the flu is to sweating and fever.
Cheap steam inhaling machine is almost a must have in times like this.


BS.
Once you have the virus inside the body, it's too late.
Moist air makes the virus fall to the ground faster, so it can't move around in the air.
The warmth is not responsible as much as the high UV radiation in summer, which damages the hull (shell) of any coronavirus. Inside the body it's 37 degree celsius, and the virus can replicate in this hot-moist environment. Above 40° it's over for the little bastard, but this is also critical for the human heart and brain. We're speaking body core temperature here, by the way.
Think twice.
If summers UV radiation won't help contain the virus by killing it, we're pretty fucked. Let's hope the best.
Emergency rooms are desinfected with robots carrying UV-C lamps. If temperature and humidity were the reason for the virus to die off, they would be decontaminated with hot steam. God, please think!

EDIT: The virus likes to spread indoors. Like the flu and many other respiratory pathogens. Indoors almost no UV-C radiation is present. T.h.i.n.k....
Sure, nature has no clue. Fever and sweat is the only natureal defence for influenca virus.
Yes it is very dry indoors with central heaters, or electric, some put moisturisers on the radiator to make air quality better.

Quote
Once you have the virus inside the body, it's too late.
Ah, thats why 85% of the cases are mild.

This is just wrong. Virus load does not correlate to severeness of symptoms. that's science, baby. go ask google or browse tweets of any virologist that has some reputation.
I don't know what you mean with "nature has no clue". Do you even know how immune response works? Why our own immune system is attacking lung tissue that is contaminated with a virus? People die because of the immune reaction (or it's secondary effects), not because of the virus.
legendary
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
March 16, 2020, 02:16:18 PM
I have a high level of confidence that this is a bioweapon, and will lead to open war. Even if it isn't, it looks like it, and that might be enough to ignite tensions.
Either way, it came from china. So did the spanish flu, the plague, and even the yearly sniffles. And they are trying to blame the US for it.

It is my opinion that china must be destroyed.

Ibian, please provide a link. I didn't see news of accusations anywhere. How is China trying to blame the US for it?
https://www.google.com/search?q=china+blaming+us+for+corona&oq=china+blaming+us+for+corona&aqs=chrome..69i57.3786j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Pick a link, any link.

I have a high level of confidence that this is a bioweapon, and will lead to open war. Even if it isn't, it looks like it, and that might be enough to ignite tensions.

C'mon! Nobody would use a bioweapon that infects the whole planet. That's like actually using nuclear weapons, which makes absolutely no sense.
It may have been released by accident (or willful negligence), but either way it is almost certainly engineered by humans. The rate of mutation from the nearest natural animal strain is just too big to be otherwise.

Ok, thanks for pointing me to the articles about accusation of the US Army.
These accusations are made by a minority of china's high officials, which is not uncommon (as you can read in retrospection in some of these articles).
China's political environment is not very stable, i read of the wildest possible statements from chinese officials in the past, for example that the chinese are the master race and are destined to take over the planet (sounds familiar from school history lessons?) and other bullshit. This time it seems that some officials try to weaken president Xi's power and authority by trying to establish a bias in the chinese people's thinking. Xi will likely put that down soon, if he didn't already do so.
So as long as Xi himself does not accuse the US for creating/importing the virus, you can consider these statements as "hot steam". The latter is being loved by the press to be picked up, in the us/eu and in asia as well. It's probably done to distract the people from the chinese responsabilities that were not met.
If some dumb senator or minister in the US issues a crazy statement to the press, they pick and cook it up, happily.

Remember: You should judge them by their actions, not by their words.

I personally don't believe in an engineered virus, scientific evidence of mutation and infection from animal hosts (bat/pangolin) is too strong.
Only idiots would use weapons they can't control.
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