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legendary
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March 11, 2020, 03:55:12 PM

Yes and no, if someone recently had organ transplant it is almost a certainty you can add him to the list as he would be on drugs to suppress the immune system, at least two such cases in Korea.
It also would depend what previous illness, age...

The other day a 101 year old recovered, 96 year old recovered, a 73 another 100....

Yeah, the immune system. All depends on how strong the person is to fight it just like other pandemics.

Korea is claiming to test 40k people per day and the discussion is going on in US too. Italy has turned into a prison. The videos are disturbing where they are dragging people by force if they have slight fever. They are treating them like street animals Sad
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March 11, 2020, 03:35:36 PM
In India, one man was admitted on 7th March as he tested positive and on 11th he recovered too. If people have a previous medical illness, this virus would prove fatal.
Yes and no, if someone recently had organ transplant it is almost a certainty you can add him to the list as he would be on drugs to suppress the immune system, at least two such cases in Korea.
It also would depend what previous illness, age...

The other day a 101 year old recovered, 96 year old recovered, a 73 another 100....

Why can't they recover so they don't need an organ transplant? Do you think, maybe, that they were subject to a good sales pitch about their condition from the medical, and really never needed the transplant in the first place?

Cool
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March 11, 2020, 03:18:26 PM
In India, one man was admitted on 7th March as he tested positive and on 11th he recovered too. If people have a previous medical illness, this virus would prove fatal.
Yes and no, if someone recently had organ transplant it is almost a certainty you can add him to the list as he would be on drugs to suppress the immune system, at least two such cases in Korea.
It also would depend what previous illness, age...

The other day a 101 year old recovered, 96 year old recovered, a 73 another 100....
legendary
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March 11, 2020, 03:08:31 PM
In India, one man was admitted on 7th March as he tested positive and on 11th he recovered too. If people have a previous medical illness, this virus would prove fatal.
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March 11, 2020, 02:58:58 PM
"50-100mg is more or less in line with this"
https://humansarefree.com/2020/03/shanghai-government-officially-recommends-vitamin-c-for-covid-19.html
In China now about 20 die a day (26 yesterday, 22+ today), Italy at this rate overtakes China but has only a fraction of the population
There is no money to be made with it, thats a problem for big pharma

Dr. Luc Montagnier the discoverer of HIV  https://youtu.be/XSSpoFq7uhM?t=16

Also, (including the 4000+)
27,251,614 Births this year
11,440,881 Deaths this year
legendary
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March 11, 2020, 02:34:39 PM
If this is not a cure than what is? How much closer to death can anyone be.
https://youtu.be/VrhkoFcOMII

A truck load of Vitamin C will not prevent infection.  The Body can not store large amounts.
Regular vegies and fruit is more than enough of recommend amount. For anti-ageing larger amounts can be taken, but want make someone more than 100% healthy that is the same fallacy as vaccine and have over-unity body (machine).
Sepsis, back in the old days seamen had issues with it.  Yes, Vitamin C deficiency of not having fresh vegetable and fruit for weeks.
There is no proven case anyone overdosed of Vitamin C.  Depending how much poison is in the body frequent and quick runs to the toilet with a large dose is almost certain.

Interesting video. Looks like this happened in 2009. Stories like this can change things. There has recently been research on this topic.

Note the results from the recent Cleveland Clinic study I linked above. They gave around 50-100 grams of vitamin C depending on weight to critically ill ICU patients over a period of three days.

In the study, 167 ICU patients with sepsis and ARDS who had been hospitalized for less than 24 hours were randomized to IV infusion of 50 mg/kg vitamin C in dextrose 5% in water or placebo every 6 hours for 96 hours.

At day 28, mortality was 29.8% in the vitamin C group versus 46.3% in the placebo group [95% CI, 2% to 31.1%]).

That is a very impressive difference in mortality.

Conclusion: If it was me and I had sepsis I would want it.

There is a large randomized controlled trial currently being done in the US for this. The ACTS trial. If the results of that confirm the Cleveland Clinic study then the treatment will probably become part of the standard of care for everyone.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03389555
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March 11, 2020, 12:42:53 PM
If this is not a cure than what is? How much closer to death can anyone be.
https://youtu.be/VrhkoFcOMII

The Body can not store large amounts.
Regular vegies and fruit is more than enough of recommend amount. For anti-ageing larger amounts can be taken, but want make someone more than 100% healthy that is the same fallacy as vaccine and have over-unity body (machine).
Sepsis, back in the old days seamen had issues with it.  Yes, Vitamin C deficiency of not having fresh vegetable and fruit for weeks.
There is no proven case anyone overdosed of Vitamin C.  Depending how much poison is in the body frequent and quick runs to the toilet with a large dose is almost certain.
legendary
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March 11, 2020, 11:37:33 AM
In regard to the debate upthread about vitamin C not being a cure for the flu. It is not a cure for the flu but that does not mean it is not potentially helpful both as a means of avoiding getting sick or avoiding death in the case of severe illness. Here are a few randomized controlled trials that will help people understand this better.


Effect of vitamin C on common cold: randomized controlled trial.
"A randomized, controlled 5-year trial suggests that vitamin C supplementation significantly reduces the frequency of the common cold but had no apparent effect on the duration or severity of the common cold."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16118650

Study Suggests Benefits of Vitamin C for Severe Sepsis
"“Patients in the control arm were much more likely to die within the first three to five days in the ICU than were the patients on vitamin C. The mortality benefit associated with vitamin C seemed to continue for the duration of the ICU course,”
https://consultqd.clevelandclinic.org/study-suggests-benefits-of-vitamin-c-for-severe-sepsis/

The best of course would be a vaccine or a targeted monoclonal antibody that the virus could not mutate around but lacking that vitamin C is not a bad idea at all when dealing with a virus with the potential for death and no other treatments.

I ordered some vitamin C and some elderberry extract to mail to my elderly grandmother.  She is in her 90s and is at high risk from this.

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March 11, 2020, 09:30:17 AM

Chinese president visited Wuhan today.
https://youtu.be/K6fVpr6MAag
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March 11, 2020, 07:56:04 AM
corona virus is spreading fast as it spreads under developed countries where medical facilities are not good chances will increases very fast to other countries too and travel restrictions are must to contain virus spread , testing facilities and supplies are not scares even in usa ( according news i saw ) there are less number of testing supplies and testing for corona virus is not easy and its expensive ,

there 2-4 vaccines developed by scientist  and i saw that i would take around 6 months to do testing samples and 3 moths to approve so around a year
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March 11, 2020, 12:19:08 AM
Heavily censored in Western media, and in fact in Iraq too from what I get of the description of the story.  Happened in a Kurdish area of Iraq which is pro-USA and doctors were threatened with death if they talked about it.

The story is that a shipment of red baseball caps came in through the U.S. consulate.  In the rim of these hats is some strain of coronavirus encased in micro-spheres which protect it and release it when there is moisture.  That is, when someone puts it on and sweats.

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1050173/فیلم-هدیه-جدید-کرونایی-آمریکا-به-عراقی-ها

A simplistic person will say "can't be...we are friends with the Kurds."  Someone who is paying attention will have seen this kind of thing before.  A lot.   Basically when a 'crisis' strikes a community a designer can rush in to 'help' with funds and supplies (and guns, helicopters, howitzers, etc, in this case.)

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March 10, 2020, 11:44:02 PM
SARS-CoV-2 virus, about 70 countries have not reported any infections
Of the Infected 64 Countries have no death or recovery reported
29 have no reported deaths
7 have more deaths as recovered
Data from Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) (Will see tomorrow if Diamond Princess is again the same numers,  it sure cant be)
* Health expenditure of GDP in 2016.  The winner was Monaco with 1.75%
# Lets give some credit and assume some partially recovered to get past div 0

------------------DiedRec.Death/Rec.GDP *
Singapore0780,00%4,47%
Malaysia0240,00%3,80%
Bahrain0220,00%4,87%
Vietnam0160,00%5,66%
UAE0120,00%3,52%
Oman090,00%4,29%
India040,00%3,66%
Mexico040,00%5,47%
Israel040,00%7,31%
Austria040,00%10,44%
Romania030,00%4,98%
Russian030,00%5,27%
Finland020,00%9,49%
Pakistan010,00%2,75%
Indonesia010,00%3,12%
Sri Lanka010,00%3,89%
Kuwait010,00%3,90%
Senegal010,00%5,51%
Saudi Arabia010,00%5,74%
Cambodia010,00%6,08%
Latvia010,00%6,24%
Nepal010,00%6,29%
Iceland010,00%8,29%
Belgium010,00%10,04%
Denmark010,00%10,35%
Norway010,00%10,50%
Sweden010,00%10,93%
Gibraltar010,00%9,76%
Thailand1333,03%3,71%
China3162657624,81%4,98%
Japan101019,90%10,93%
Iran291273110,66%8,10%
Germany21811,11%11,14%
Canada1812,50%10,53%
Australia32114,29%9,25%
Diamond-P64015,00%-
Korea5424721,86%7,34%
UK61833,33%9,76%
Philippines1250,00%4,39%
Italy63172487,15%8,94%
Switzerland33100,00%12,25%
Egypt11100,00%4,64%
Lebanon11100,00%8,02%
Spain3532109,38%8,97%
Iraq73233,33%3,31%
France3312275,00%11,54%
US288350,00%17,07%
Morocco10,1#1000,00%5,84%
San Marino20,1#2000,00%6,40%
Netherlands40,1#4000,00%10,36%


Edit:
Changes in the 24h (20 had no change, Iraq seams some mistake somewhere)
------------24h-death24h-rec,%24h-+%24h-rec
Romania030100,00%
Saudi Arabia010100,00%
Latvia010100,00%
Indonesia010100,00%
Iceland010100,00%
Gibraltar010100,00%
Lebanon11100,00%100,00%
Oman07077,78%
Mexico03075,00%
Israel02050,00%
Austria02050,00%
Finland01050,00%
Philippines01050,00%
UAE05041,67%
Bahrain08036,36%
India01025,00%
Iran5433718,56%12,34%
China2658730,82%8,93%
Thailand0206,06%
US207,14%0
Japan1010,00%0
Spain7020,00%0
Netherlands1025,00%0
Italy168026,62%0
Australia1033,33%0
Switzerland1033,33%0
UK2033,33%0
France14042,42%0
San Marino1050,00%0
Morocco10100,00%0
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March 10, 2020, 10:50:43 PM
"Wikipedia Slashes Spanish Flu Death Rate"

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/

Next they will be telling me Snopes isn't reliable! What is this world coming to?!
"We all know Wikipedia is a micro-managed propaganda organ"

Careful with off-guardian.  They push a lot of pseudo science/conspiracy theory nonsense.  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/

Have no argument against the facts? Attack the source. The usual response from Captain Semantics. I guess I shouldn't be surprised criticism of Snopes would trigger you. "Fact checkers" are just an appeal to authority fallacy with extra steps, and are themselves usually bias. Don't believe me? Run some conservative and liberal news sources you know of through it and see how the standards suddenly shift to give the left more wiggle room.
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March 10, 2020, 10:10:42 PM
"Wikipedia Slashes Spanish Flu Death Rate"

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/

Next they will be telling me Snopes isn't reliable! What is this world coming to?!
"We all know Wikipedia is a micro-managed propaganda organ"

Careful with off-guardian.  They push a lot of pseudo science/conspiracy theory nonsense.  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/

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March 10, 2020, 09:45:11 PM
"Wikipedia Slashes Spanish Flu Death Rate"

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/

Next they will be telling me Snopes isn't reliable! What is this world coming to?!
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March 10, 2020, 06:52:53 PM
Summary of an informative article made by Ars Technica: Don’t Panic: The comprehensive Ars Technica guide to the coronavirus....

Remember that these symptoms take days to manifest, by the time you notice, you'd have to remember where you have been in the past week, where did you sneezed or coughed etc. Ideally people should avoid crowds and preferably going out until this quiets down.

That is indeed a good reference. For what it worth I believe we're really looking at a lightning fast 21st century response to a epidemic, and doing pretty good. Except, apparently in Iran and a few other places.
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March 10, 2020, 06:13:35 PM
Where I live - suburban NY, they are going as far as closing entire school districts due to a student or employee either testing positive for the virus or coming in contact with it.   
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March 10, 2020, 04:25:39 PM
Summary of an informative article made by Ars Technica: Don’t Panic: The comprehensive Ars Technica guide to the coronavirus

You should be concerned and take this seriously. But you should not panic.

This is the mantra public health experts have adopted since the epidemic mushroomed in January—and it’s about as comforting as it is easy to accomplish. But it’s important that we all try.

This new coronavirus—dubbed SARS-CoV-2—is unquestionably dangerous. It causes a disease called COVID-19, which can be deadly, particularly for older people and those with underlying health conditions. While the death rate among infected people is unclear, even some current low estimates are seven-fold higher than the estimate for seasonal influenza.

And SARS-CoV-2 is here in the US, and it's circulating—we are only starting to determine where it is and how far it has spread. Problems with federal testing have delayed our ability to detect infections in travelers. And as we work to catch up, the virus has kept moving. It now appears to be spreading in several communities across the country. It’s unclear if we will be able to get ahead of it and contain it; even if we can, it will take a lot of resources and effort to do it.

All that said, SARS-CoV-2 is not an existential threat. While it can be deadly, around 80 percent of cases are mild to moderate, and people recover within a week or two. Moreover, there are obvious, evidence-based actions we can take to protect ourselves, our loved ones, and our communities overall.

Now is not the time for panic, which will only get in the way of what you need to be doing. While it’s completely understandable to be worried, your best bet to getting through this unscathed is to channel that anxious energy into doing what you can to stop SARS-COV-2 from spreading.

And to do that, you first need to have the most complete, accurate information on the situation as you can. To that end, below is our best attempt to address all of the questions you might have about SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, and the situation in the US.

Various countries underestimated the virus, and has spread beyond their control forcing them to increase measures but reacting too late.

Here is another summary of an interesting article regarding the US from Bloomberg: Seattle’s Patient Zero Spread Coronavirus Despite Ebola-Style Lockdown

The man who would become Patient Zero for the new coronavirus outbreak in the U.S. appeared to do everything right. He arrived Jan. 19 at an urgent-care clinic in a suburb north of Seattle with a slightly elevated temperature and a cough he’d developed soon after returning four days earlier from a visit with family in Wuhan, China.

The 35-year-old had seen a U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention alert about the virus and decided to get checked. He put on a mask in the waiting room. After learning about his travel, the clinic drew blood and took nasal and throat swabs, and called state and county health officials, who hustled the sample onto an overnight flight to the CDC lab in Atlanta. The patient was told to stay in isolation at home, and health officials checked on him the next morning.  

The test came back positive that afternoon, Jan. 20, the first confirmed case in the U.S. By 11 p.m., the patient was in a plastic-enclosed isolation gurney on his way to a biocontainment ward at Providence Regional Medical Center in Everett, Washington, a two-bed unit developed for the Ebola virus. As his condition worsened, then improved over the next several days, staff wore protective garb that included helmets and face masks. Few even entered the room; a robot equipped with a stethoscope took vitals and had a video screen for doctors to talk to him from afar.

County health officials located more than 60 people who’d come in contact with him, and none developed the virus in the following weeks. By Feb. 21, he was deemed fully recovered. Somehow, someone was missed.

All the careful medical detective work, it’s now clear, wasn’t enough to slow a virus moving faster than the world’s efforts to contain it.

Yes its correct to calm people, panic leads nowhere. But the down players that imply that this is nothing more than just another flu, are causing more harm than good. Case in point, that Australian that went clubbing even after being diagnosed with COVID-19, probably following that internet trend to downplay the virus completely. In the meantime, even the UN Building in NY is getting closed...

I think the Ars Technica article is good (do read it in its entirety). Do not underestimate this, but also do not panic and act accordingly.

Another excerpt:

  • 88 percent had a fever
  • 68 percent had a dry cough
  • 38 percent had fatigue
  • 33 percent coughed up phlegm
  • 19 percent had shortness of breath
  • 15 percent had joint or muscle pain
  • 14 percent had a sore throat
  • 14 percent headache
  • 11 percent had chills
  • 5 percent had nausea or vomiting
  • 5 percent had nasal congestion
  • 4 percent had diarrhea
  • Less than one percent coughed up blood or blood-stained mucus
  • Less than one percent had watery eyes

Remember that these symptoms take days to manifest, by the time you notice, you'd have to remember where you have been in the past week, where did you sneezed or coughed etc. Ideally people should avoid crowds and preferably going out until this quiets down.
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March 10, 2020, 02:11:04 PM
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your body only needs a certain amount. your body does not store the rest for later.
you pee out the rest

so you advertising a certain product that pretends to be some "mega" thing thats 40x more potent than the body even needs.

as for the other people
dang it seems too many people think vitamin C is a miracle cure
oh and by the way. heart disease is not just one thing

heart disease is a category of things. yep the word disease just means bad health
people can have many causes of heart problems for many things with many symptoms needing many differing medications. but all would come under the blanket and empty term of 'heart disease' meaning 'unhealthy heart'

stupid people go around promoting snake oil and herbal remedies as if they are on commission.. even stupider people do it because they think they are doctors although never even attended a university.
even stupider people promote it as if they have had first had experience yet they themselves have not.

in short. if you actually want to grow some brain cells and morals and actually be helpful. dont just take the word of a page you read. actually learn it, research it, understand it, be critical of it. and actually truly learn things. dont just google something that pops up n google and think because google found it, it must be real/accurate

dont take words out of context to fit a narrative like relieves/prevents symptoms. to then be twisted into it prevents and cures the underlying cause
again cannabis does not cure cancer. it helps people cope better with the treatment so that they can fight harder and let the actual treatment do its job

just wake up people and stop with all the mis information as its becoming stupidly obvious that some of you are either affiliated with herbal suppliment companies or probably trying to put a gamble on the price of citrus fruit commodities.
and if it aint for any financial gain reasons. then it must be for boredom entertainment reasons.

just grow up and try to learn a few things
.. an no.. a picture of a steamroller will not make a website suddenly become medically legit



"Definition of prevention
: the act of preventing or hindering"
Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group."
[/quote]

do you read your own words
hindering. meaning that even "prevention" is not 100%. but it can halt, stop. not allow to get worse

and again your missing the point of your own words
SYMPTOMS

so can you atleast take 5 minutes to rationally think inside your head
does it say cure a virus ---- ill save you time, no
does it say prevent a virus ----- ill save you time, no

it says it about helping with the symptoms
next bit you need to learn is which symptoms
because it does not say it prevent pneumonia
because it doesnt say it prevents a cough or a runny nose or a groggy drained sleepy feeling

so even you have to take some time and actually realise it does not state which particular symptom it helps with
thus making your case even weaker

but if you wanna overdose on vitamin C go ahead. i hope you also will enjoy getting the kidney stones that come along with it.

now go play around on google and learn some more. and i dont mean just try finding a narrative that pleases you. find some research that has actual specific details and stick to the wording of the specific details. not your twisted narrative

and on another note to the same particular group of people
the other week talking about the wuhan airport. it was open and planes were flying including passenger planes.
it was other countries not sending them. not wuhan declining entry
wuhan actually tried to get WHO to tell the international community to actually send their planes. because they were open and ready
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