Topic: Coronavirus Outbreak - page 99. (Read 29937 times)

did you actually bother to even read it
one guy moans about 'only 1 in 1000 reported. and death is 1 in 20,000'

do the maths. for every 20 reports there are 1 death = 5%
guess what
the reason why only 1in 1000 reported is because

if we take say 30k people.. 27k will be self isolating and not even get it yet..
of the 3k that get it ~90% wont need hospital care due to non symptomatic/mild.

so 300 reported as the are complaining or more stronger symptoms.. and of that 15 die

so the math works.. but here is the thing
thats only 10% population herd immunity (gathering together and spreading)
just wait until the other 90% decided to mingle...

ill explain it more simply
its only 15 deaths in this example because of self isolation. if all 100% of people mingled in public it would be more like 150
..
which 150 death of 30,000 is likesaying out of 11 million in wuhan 1.1m more than mild and 55k death

yep wuhan escaped 55k death and instead got more like under 5k death.. why.. because more than 90% self isolated..

what is not being said is them 90% will get it eventually
a second wave is actually a real risk. not fantasy

self isolation did not immunise the city.. it delayed who gets it. 90% of wuhan have still yet to get it..
..
so even by using his maths.. the numbers add up to it being a bad thing
you just have to realise that the event is not over.. this is calm before storm

Someone produced a legible write-up on some of these doctors and scientists.  Enjoy:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/

there is many issues with many types of drugs
for instance. a drug that does the 'killing' of the virus. does not allow the patients own antibodies to actually fight it. thus no immunity afterwards. and only works while the drugs are in the person system

this is why when giving antivirals they are then checking back later to see if it was the antiviral that destroyed it. or if it was the other meds that boosted the patients longevity long enough for the body to fight it.

the key here is the hope of something that will cause the body to next time recognise the virus, not over react. and just destroy it. without issue...
thats called true immunity.

what we dont want is where a drug does something just to treat the immuno response(breathing difficulty). meaning people will have issues breathing first to then need meds.
what we dont want is where after an infection recovery.. people are not immune. so can get it again within weeks of not taking meds

there is no magic single pill solution right now. and most multiple pill solutions so far are just treating symptoms. and come with their own sideeffect list of their own so they too not perfect. and come with no guarantee of true immunity after

what doctors are prefering is just to keep the patient alive long enough for the patients own body to combat it. meaning the bodies own white blood cells learn to recognise and handle it. and hope that the white blood cells remember how to handle it next season and beyond..

"Smuggled Viruses Coming From China Raise Questions Of BIOTERROR"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_vvYDd01mw

Go for it.  I've seen very few experts who want to put their name to an augment that the global lockdown response with their economic strains is appropriate for what we've seen so far from this particular coronavirus.  At least not recently.  Those who do seem to be using numbers which have some fairly severe credibility issues.

Then there are non-experts such as Bill Gates who have certain pet projects like ID2020 which are well served by hysterical panic over this thing.

In other news the drug "Ivermectin" stops SARS-CoV-2 virus in a matter of hours a Monash University-led study has shown
https://www.9news.com.au/health/anti-parasitic-drug-kills-covid-19-in-lab/9d667536-bffe-4c5e-b25c-054627309c4e

The dude who is borderline yelling for hours at a time. He has an angle, same as anyone, and he has already decided that this is a nothingburger.

As for the experts, I can line up some other experts who say something else. It doesn't matter how many of them there are, science is not a democracy. It was the exact same thing with global warming. Thousands of scientists agree, the consensus is in! No. Show me the arguments, and don't tell me who made them.

Which dude?  There were like a dozen doctors and scientists who commented on how crazy the response to what is, but numbers and science, a routing coronavirus which goes around every year or two.

You don't seem to understand the 'appeal to authority' game.  If you just say something is true because some authority figure says so, that's 'appeal to authority'.  If you listen to what an authority figure is saying, analyze the points the authority is making, and ask other people to do the same, that's just good old fashioned analysis.

Anyway, the 'what if it comes back?' argument could be make whether there ever a SARS-cov-2 or not.  If something comes around, deal with it as needed.  Sure, it would be good to be prepared, but collapsing the world's economies and plunging everyone (except China) into a depression certainly isn't going to help make that happen.

For my part, I'm screaming from the rooftops about 'the next time.'  If there actually is something to this particular coronavirus it needs to be gotten to the bottom of ASAP because there are bio-warfare labs all over the world working on such things.  If such weapons can be used as 'politically useful tools', it's a pretty sure bet that they will be eventually.  It's only a matter of time.  If 'we, the peeps' tolerate such things and 'trust the governments' who are in fact operating these labs, disaster is pretty much inevitable.

Again, the real problem is what happens if it comes back like the flu, and the next round is worse. The dude is not even considering that. Also, appeals to authority remain a fallacy.

many problems with many models. but also interpretation of models
take for instance UK had 4k ICU beds pre corona
this does not mean they can handle 4k people a day with breathing issues
people this sick can remain needing the extra care for 5 days
so thats more like an average of 800 a day to try to get an good turn around time

EG

D1   D2  D3  D4  D5  D6  D7  D8  D9 D10 D11
4k---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                        800xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx800
                  800xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx800
            800xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx800
      800xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx800
800xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx800

too many people think if there are 4k bed. and a month has 28 days. that is enough to cope with 28x4k(112k)
but its not its more like 20k or less if you do the math

but the real world doesnt work like that. people dont come in to hospital at a programatic scale of planned numbers
so excess beds and stuff are needed. because take the bed numbers. and thats not a daily intake abitility its a intake ability per 10 days average

I agree with all that but of course there are still problems with the models. This is an interesting discussion on the topic.

https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/04/01/covid-19-models-covid-needs-and-new-york/

OMG.. tvbcof and badecker still sound like they think this 'lockdown' period is the curing stage..
where its all over in a couple weeks
such fools they are

seriously will these fools wise up. isolation is the delay before the storm
at the end of lockdown the UK wont be saying 'ok we had 10k deaths compared to 500k' its all over

does tvcbof actually think the UK has 500k ICU beeds and ventilators right now...
(double facepalm)

the UK will be saying we delayed 650k(1%) needing ventilators and beds all in one go, in which 500k ended up suffercating as we couldnt give them air because we dont have 650k beds
because we have 4000 beds right now we want to try limiting exposure by getting people to isolate.
so we only receive ~4000 severely sick at a time..
we were close but most people got all the help that was needed and each week only a few hundred died so it was 10k during isolation couple months..
AFTER the prep work, capacity can be 12k+ which means more help to give more people. so relax the isolation a little. but if we approach 12k needing beds at sametime lock it down again.. and we hope to stick to only getting a few hundred deaths a weeks or less, we aim to hope to only get 20k deaths if we can oxygenate everyone and keep their heart beating long enough for them to fight off the infection
but no medication can have time to work if they are not diagnosed properly, given meds promptly and ventilated long enough for the meds to actually do their job, which means we need to have available ventilators, beds and staff to cover it

..
i truly think that tvbof has lost the plot more than badecker at this point by suggesting someone that bleeds out due to a car accident or gunshot wound would be classed as a non covid symptomatic death.. but still reported as a covid death purely because of being tested for covid

did you know people get tested for many things. have many ailments. however the cause of death is actually going to be the thing that actualy kills them
so a gunshot would have blood loss/heart failure.

i know tvbcof doesnt are about reality. and in 12 months time when proven wrong he wll shrug it off like an ass, as if he just said it as a random idea with no conviction in the first place.
but its guys like him that try to spread lies, hoping the lie becomes fashionable/trendy so that he can get some internet fame for starting it. no matter the consequences.. idiot

The next move of the covid-19 hoaxers is obviously going to be:

 'The lockdowns worked!  We would have had the 500,000 deaths that our UK models predicted instead of the 10k from CV if we didn't to the lockdowns.'

It is important to note that not every country did the lockdowns.  If the propaganda which we all know is coming were true then we should have seen the stupendious casualty figures promised by the mainstream media and corrupt government scientists who did all the fearmongering.

Here's a map from a story of 3/26:  I do expect immense political pressure for a lot of countries to at least pretend to do lockdowns so they can perpetrate the next play in the fraud.

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On the modeling, here's seems to be how the hoax was pulled off:

 - Some govt scientist guy named Neil Ferguson in the UK put out results from his models showing 500,000 dead.

 - UK govt were pressured into going full lockdown instead of the 'use the healthy to obtain natural herd immunity' strategy.

 - Other scientists challenged  Ferguson to show the hidden source code for his modeling.

 - Ferguson said that it's old and has no comments so he won't release it.

 - Other scientists cried foul.

 - Ferguson says that Microsoft is helping to re-write it so 'no'.  And 'Oh, by the way, the 500,000 dead has been revised down to 20,000 dead half who would have died anyway.'

These fraudsters and their 'computer models'.  When will people wake up?

No, this ain't happening in Italy, US, maybe, even for month tbh. They mightve had the first covid19 case. The virus is called covid19 but the disease that people get is sarscov2.

The methods by which this fraud was and is being perpetrated are being uncovered.  Outlier countries with high mortalities are just calling as many deaths as they can 'covid-19'.  Italy and the U.S. match one another because they pull the same trick.

Here's a description of the new ICD code, the memo saying to pump up the 'covid-19' number and 'do not worry; we won't be checking.'

  https://youtu.be/KCnpPjUvdLM?t=5205

So funny, China is so close to get under 1k infected people and they are closing the borders and US have now over 200k. What I find even more funny are the allegations that an US citizen brought it to China.

And I find it quite possible, the story seems legit. The internet is very off, or google not helpful at all. The story is about a woman that participated at the Military Olympics. China asked frankly US to provide cases of deaths by pneumonia before the outbreak in Wuhan, US didn't replied.

From wherever this shit fking virus came out doesn't matter, we need politicians to help us stop this fking mess and for fucks sake US ain't helping at fking all. I am feeling so disgusted that all the world is struggling its best and bc of idiots politicians over the Atlantic the virus makes more and more infections, I really do hope that EU will stop any travelling from the US to Europe finally.

I am right now in Italy and for me life changed a lot past weeks. From a person that used to be in a different place each week, now I am stuck in the same apartment for 3 weeks, doing nothing with my life, not making any more deals, staying and just trying to find legit people among all the trolls of the internet.

All I can do is just hope that Italy, Spain, France, Germany will get to the top of it by the next week and just calmly wait for the number of infected people to go down as they get the virus out.

After what is important is that EU, will fuck the UK, fuck the US, add a strict embargo and the end of story.

Maybe you're not aware but it was last night an emergency meeting with secretary general of NATO and all foreign ministers of the 30 countries. They created a special protocol that is not in the favour of Europeans, just to get help for US in the case they can't handle it anymore.

What will be funny to see is Presidential Elections in us to be delayed lol, that would be fun.

Sorry for being such a hater but I just can't anymore to watch the news and see how the leaders react to such cryses.

We've had enough of them, let's go for anarchy.

Now that government people around the world are being made to look like fools - because there is no real CV threat beyond normal illness for this time of the year - what are they going to do? Try to prop this whole CV charade up? Or be honest, and try to put their countries back together?

so trying to reign the thread back to its topic

china just announced it is seeing signs of its second wave.
so it appears to be a 2.5month wave, then another wave.

UK/US was a month or two behind so UK/US is stil trying to curb the first wave. and will probably start their second wave mid/end of may

'responding to frank1' ... doesn't count.

 

'go away and leave me alone' doesnt count
'your breath smells like a swimming pool' doesnt count
'your so pale, you dont get out often do you'... might count
'thatl be $20 for an hour' .. doesnt count