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Quote from: aioc on April 09, 2021, 07:04:34 AM

People who are doing this are ruining the reputation of the sports where they belong, they are not the top players and officials of the sports so they want to destroy it, they only want money and they don't care about the organizations, we have these kinds of people in every organization, we have a saying in every jungle there are snakes, so don't be surprised if we have these kinds of people in the sporting world.

I condemn such people, but I understand where they come from. In many sports, a negligible number of players make more or less normal profits. Do you agree that it is quite difficult to spend all your youth on one sport and realize that you will not be a top player and your efforts will not pay off? I think disappointed such people are trying to make money.

But that is still not a good excuse, you choose that sport, you should love and respect it, when you cheat you are cheating the fans of the sport and I don't think that's acceptable.

Let's put it this way, a certain league like NBA is very successful because the fans are supporting it, watching the game and buying their stuff that's why the organization were able to pay their players with lucrative salary, but if one player will rig a game and it was discovered, that's a shame for the entire organization and bad image for the NBA and possible other sports will be affected.

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Quote from: aioc on April 09, 2021, 07:04:34 AM

People who are doing this are ruining the reputation of the sports where they belong, they are not the top players and officials of the sports so they want to destroy it, they only want money and they don't care about the organizations, we have these kinds of people in every organization, we have a saying in every jungle there are snakes, so don't be surprised if we have these kinds of people in the sporting world.

I condemn such people, but I understand where they come from. In many sports, a negligible number of players make more or less normal profits. Do you agree that it is quite difficult to spend all your youth on one sport and realize that you will not be a top player and your efforts will not pay off? I think disappointed such people are trying to make money.

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Quote from: aioc on April 09, 2021, 07:04:34 AM

People who are doing this are ruining the reputation of the sports where they belong, they are not the top players and officials of the sports so they want to destroy it, they only want money and they don't care about the organizations, we have these kinds of people in every organization, we have a saying in every jungle there are snakes, so don't be surprised if we have these kinds of people in the sporting world.

Sad to say these people are really exists they don't care whether their reputation gone ruining coz what matters to them was they can earn and generate a profit favourable to them. But what was worst than we think was it does existed in any kind of organization sometimes even in small organization and yeah even in sports it also happened. These people are the reason why sometimes involving in sports betting are crucial because they have the power to control the game which is toxic and it sucks.

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Quote from: romero121 on February 28, 2021, 06:31:11 AM

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

People who are doing this are ruining the reputation of the sports where they belong, they are not the top players and officials of the sports so they want to destroy it, they only want money and they don't care about the organizations, we have these kinds of people in every organization, we have a saying in every jungle there are snakes, so don't be surprised if we have these kinds of people in the sporting world.

The government has to act on this, this is betrayal of public trust because sports are supported by fans and the fans are the public. The greed for money is the main reason, but without a strong implementation of law, this would become rampant.

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Quote from: romero121 on February 28, 2021, 06:31:11 AM

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

People who are doing this are ruining the reputation of the sports where they belong, they are not the top players and officials of the sports so they want to destroy it, they only want money and they don't care about the organizations, we have these kinds of people in every organization, we have a saying in every jungle there are snakes, so don't be surprised if we have these kinds of people in the sporting world.

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I think this is cancer in many countries. In my own country every year people claim some footballers are getting sold out in specific high rate matches so they make small teams win against bigger teams. Referees are rumored to be fixing match results by giving weird red/yellow cards and random penalties.

I wonder what the football governing bodies do if evidences for accusations of that nature are presented to them? Do they ignore or investigate them thoroughly and transparently? I strongly believe taking every important complaint of fraud seriously and addressing it satisfactory will certainly help reduce corruption. And it's important to always have witnesses and evidences to support the fraud accusations. A good judge should be able to know the truth and pass judgment that both the accused and accuser can't find fault in.

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Quote from: Wexnident on March 20, 2021, 09:10:42 PM

Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily, is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.

The bolded will likely not work if everyone is not very transparent. Imagine what will happen in a society where most people are completely transparent (no privacy/anonymity), while some secretly avoid being totally transparent. If the secret ones are evil, they will likely harm the transparent ones secretly. I think everyone has to be completely transparent and good for this to work.

It is hard to expect them for transparency, especially if they are organized for a long time. Corruption is a big thing that already happens in many businesses, and when some good officers want to eradicate it, they need to have a strong backup from the high-level officers. Otherwise, those good officers will not survive in their job or even their lives. Yes, it needs time to eradicate. Although it is hard, it still needs to do because the root of corruption already reaches the low level of the officers. It needs more support from all good officers who don't want corruption to happen so that all things can be good in the future.

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Players often try to take advantage of the opportunity, when they see a large amount of money can be found from there and the risk is low. Those who know sports news may know how many superstar players have been involved in fixing at different times.

They didn't always survive by fixing, many times many superstars were caught fixing and their careers were ruined. So in some cases greed has affected many superstars in the wrong direction.

But we never know how many of the superstars were caught like 50% or 20% or everyone?

They will be living like a superstar until they get caught but match fixing reduced a lot due to the better camera quality so even if they try to cheat they will get caught in the end.

Things have changed thanks to the increase on the popularity of sports all over the world, for a star now it does not make sense to cheat as much as before because they are being paid a fortune on and off the field, while decades ago this was not the case as television rights did not paid as much money during these days so many stars were more willing to cheat because the money was worth it for them, that does not mean that corruption has been eradicated, it is not, but we are slowly moving in the right direction.

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Eradicating corruption is indeed not easy because there will be a reliable team to anticipate if it is revealed and made suspects for those who are not involved because corruptors have great teams and lawyers, and corruptors also have strategies and look for victims who will be involved if caught.
and all because of money and greed, if tempted to earn large sums of money, anyone will get involved and even become the sole suspect.
Things like that often happen to organizations or governments, and anyone who is strong will win and the point is never to try or be tempted by money that is not his right because it is a temptation of how strong your faith is.

I think governments could do this, governments could handle something like this if they wanted to. Let's face it, the leagues all around the world is under control of the government a bit but not a whole lot and they try to be as supportive as possible since it is a good thing for the community and I get that, but UEFA which is a private organization has a lot more say about the teams than any government, while governments could do something about a team, UEFA could literally force it to close by punishing them constantly if they wanted to.

This is why it is obvious that we should be focusing on the governments, they could fire all the responsible people and charge UEFA with criminal act for all the corruption and that could end it all. However I know that none of those politicians would do it because obviously they are in it as well.

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Quote from: Wexnident on March 20, 2021, 09:10:42 PM

Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily, is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.

The bolded will likely not work if everyone is not very transparent. Imagine what will happen in a society where most people are completely transparent (no privacy/anonymity), while some secretly avoid being totally transparent. If the secret ones are evil, they will likely harm the transparent ones secretly. I think everyone has to be completely transparent and good for this to work.

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Quote from: ScamViruS on March 23, 2021, 12:40:40 PM

Players often try to take advantage of the opportunity, when they see a large amount of money can be found from there and the risk is low. Those who know sports news may know how many superstar players have been involved in fixing at different times.

They didn't always survive by fixing, many times many superstars were caught fixing and their careers were ruined. So in some cases greed has affected many superstars in the wrong direction.

But we never know how many of the superstars were caught like 50% or 20% or everyone?

They will be living like a superstar until they get caught but match fixing reduced a lot due to the better camera quality so even if they try to cheat they will get caught in the end.

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 23, 2021, 11:45:21 AM

Quote from: michellee on March 23, 2021, 09:05:32 AM

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Like you, I used to naively believe that sooner or later the good guys would beat corruption. How very wrong I was. At present I am sure that the special services have long ago collected so much dirt on most of the people in power that they can be prosecuted and put behind bars for a long time at any time. Corruption is a lever to force the weaker players to play by the rules of the stronger players and protect their interests.

No, we are not wrong thinking like that because no matter if that is hard, I believe the corruption can get solved. But it would need a long time to solve the case one by one because corruption already happened a long time ago. And if the corruption can solve it could be related to the old corruption that has already happened, especially if it's related to the old officer involved in the corruption at that time. We as a citizen can only hope the corruption can get solved in the future.

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Quote from: Wexnident on March 20, 2021, 09:10:42 PM

Quote from: Silberman on March 20, 2021, 08:55:52 PM

While I agree that corruption is inevitable and that some level of it is going to exist in every single country around the world we cannot use that as an excuse to not fight against it, corruption in sports is a very big deal because the whole point of holding sport competitions is to see who is the best at an activity when you have a level playing field, if one person or team has an unfair advantage over their opponents then not only that is cheating but that also denies any reason to watch the sport at all.

Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily, is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.

There is no need to go that far, what must be done is to make sure that the players are following the rules and if there is a suspicion of something going on then an investigation must follow to see if something is wrong, if this is done often enough then corruption in the world of sports will be reduced significantly as people that would otherwise be willing to cheat are going to think it twice since they will be afraid of being caught and being penalized.

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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told.

There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.

Corruptions already been a decade inside this business, there are always the good guys who tried to expose this and just ended up losing careers and be forgotten. It's not something that can easily battle then win but most of the time, before this people brings evidence to fully exposed whatever anomaly that they've known, those high officials that are involved to this behind already made stories to counter the expose.

It's a long battler field unless the officials and not just one but more officials to stand against this practice the very possible that it will end up and clean back the images of this business.

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Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.

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You can't guarantee that though, human are greedy by nature so even if they are already receiving a huge salary or contract, they can still cheat if it's not that too risky to get caught. Thing is, with billions of money being wagered in sports, a star player depending on how big the league he is playing if he will participate, $1 million could be easy for him in one game and that's a huge bonus aside from the salary they are getting.

Players often try to take advantage of the opportunity, when they see a large amount of money can be found from there and the risk is low. Those who know sports news may know how many superstar players have been involved in fixing at different times.

They didn't always survive by fixing, many times many superstars were caught fixing and their careers were ruined. So in some cases greed has affected many superstars in the wrong direction.

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Quote from: michellee on March 23, 2021, 09:05:32 AM

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Like you, I used to naively believe that sooner or later the good guys would beat corruption. How very wrong I was. At present I am sure that the special services have long ago collected so much dirt on most of the people in power that they can be prosecuted and put behind bars for a long time at any time. Corruption is a lever to force the weaker players to play by the rules of the stronger players and protect their interests.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on March 23, 2021, 04:37:30 AM

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on March 22, 2021, 11:49:14 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on March 09, 2021, 01:21:21 AM

Quote from: Lorence.xD on March 09, 2021, 12:55:58 AM

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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told.

There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.

That is only if he can realize that what he did before is wrong and it's not matched with his heart. He needs to have a strong heart to get out of that circle, and maybe that needs help from other people. But once he tells his problem to other people, that can attract that person to investigate deeper about the corruption that already happened before. Maybe only with that, the corruption will have a chance to eradicate slowly as the clean officer will search for people in that circle.

Eradicating corruption is indeed not easy because there will be a reliable team to anticipate if it is revealed and made suspects for those who are not involved because corruptors have great teams and lawyers, and corruptors also have strategies and look for victims who will be involved if caught.
and all because of money and greed, if tempted to earn large sums of money, anyone will get involved and even become the sole suspect.
Things like that often happen to organizations or governments, and anyone who is strong will win and the point is never to try or be tempted by money that is not his right because it is a temptation of how strong your faith is.

Yes, the corrupt people will have almost everything to escape from the investigation, and maybe they can pay off the people who know what they did not to tell the officer or police. That will be a big job for the clean officers to try hard to investigate and collect every proves out there, even if they need to use a trap to catch one of the corrupt people. In the government, some people are in that circle, and they can free to do what they want without thinking if they are breaking the law. Sooner or later, justice will be revealed and the bad people will get in jail by the police.

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Quote from: michellee on March 23, 2021, 03:46:16 AM

Quote from: Lorence.xD on March 22, 2021, 11:49:14 PM

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on March 09, 2021, 12:55:58 AM

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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told.

There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.

That is only if he can realize that what he did before is wrong and it's not matched with his heart. He needs to have a strong heart to get out of that circle, and maybe that needs help from other people. But once he tells his problem to other people, that can attract that person to investigate deeper about the corruption that already happened before. Maybe only with that, the corruption will have a chance to eradicate slowly as the clean officer will search for people in that circle.

Eradicating corruption is indeed not easy because there will be a reliable team to anticipate if it is revealed and made suspects for those who are not involved because corruptors have great teams and lawyers, and corruptors also have strategies and look for victims who will be involved if caught.
and all because of money and greed, if tempted to earn large sums of money, anyone will get involved and even become the sole suspect.
Things like that often happen to organizations or governments, and anyone who is strong will win and the point is never to try or be tempted by money that is not his right because it is a temptation of how strong your faith is.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on March 22, 2021, 11:49:14 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on March 09, 2021, 01:21:21 AM

Quote from: Lorence.xD on March 09, 2021, 12:55:58 AM

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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told.

There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.

That is only if he can realize that what he did before is wrong and it's not matched with his heart. He needs to have a strong heart to get out of that circle, and maybe that needs help from other people. But once he tells his problem to other people, that can attract that person to investigate deeper about the corruption that already happened before. Maybe only with that, the corruption will have a chance to eradicate slowly as the clean officer will search for people in that circle.

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 09, 2021, 01:21:21 AM

Quote from: Lorence.xD on March 09, 2021, 12:55:58 AM

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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told.

There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.

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